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Beer free rugby?!?!


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Original Content on 9 Dec 2008 at 08:32
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An article has appeared in the press recently, about the possibility of 7s rugby being included in the Olympics. What that article doesn’t tell you though is what one of the major stumbling blocks is.

The IRB’s sevens tournament director, Beth Coalter, expects the IRB to have an answer from the International Olympics Committee (IOC) by October 9 next year. With demonstration matches being mooted for possible inclusion in the 2012 London Olympics already. The IOC will be sending a very large delegation to the 7s RWC Dubai from 5 – 7 March next year.

While in Dubai for the 7s I was speaking to an official involved with the 2009 Sevens RWC. During the discussion it became apparent that there was some concern about where to seat the IOC delegates that would be attending the event to consider the possible inclusion of rugby into the Olympic fold. Should they be placed in a stiff upper-lip area or should they be placed near the fans to allow them to experience the atmosphere?

A major concern was the image that rugby has of only being supported by alcohol induced louts. As the GCC is one of the regions with most probably the most diverse population of rugby supporting nations in the world, it was always a foregone conclusion that the Dubai 7s would be well supported. And we all know that Rugby support goes hand in hand with a beer or two. I am not saying drunkeness I am saying a beer or two.

If Rugby wants to be included in the Olympics I fully support that, but if it has to come at the price of not being allowed to have a beer while watching the game, then the IOC can pull that rod out and I will supply the vaseline for them to replace it with a rugbyball.



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  • How long before the Dubai 7s becomes a “dry” event as well.

    The region is divided
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    The International Rugby Board’s (IRB) frustration at the lack of Arab nationals playing rugby was crucial to their decision to disband the Arabian Gulf Rugby Football Union (AGRFU).

    The ruling body’s intention to divide the union, which is run from Dubai and includes the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Bahrain and Kuwait as full members, has been known for some years.

    The fact the area is represented by a regional – not a national – side sat uneasily with the IRB.

    The make-up of the union was originally sanctioned for the purposes of developing each member to the point where they could become self-sufficient.

    Two years ago, the union reviewed their development and decided: “To establish within the region self-sustaining individual nations playing rugby at all levels of the game.”

    While the game thrives in the main expat centres, such as Dubai and Abu Dhabi, the number of nationals playing the game is too small for the IRB’s liking.

    Following an audit 12 months ago, the game’s rulers advised the union to review the image of the game, and in particular assess whether “the stigma of alcohol is an issue stunting development”.

    The progress on that count is understood to have been too tardy for their liking.

    They are lobbying the International Olympic Committee to get rugby sevens accepted into the Games, and more Arab participation would bolster the perception of it being a global sport.

    As such, the IRB Council approved a plan last week to devolve the AGRFU and empower each of its member countries to spread the game.

    The union requested that the vote be deferred until next May, after the Rugby Sevens World Cup has taken place in Dubai, but that request was rebuffed.

    The Arabian Gulf are likely to play their final representative rugby at the 2010 Dubai Sevens, after which their place will be taken by a new UAE national rugby team.

    Rugby is booming in the UAE but clubs from the other member countries are incensed at the IRB’s decision.

    Karl Sutcliffe, the captain of Oman’s main club, Muscat, said: “It would be detrimental. I don’t think many of the countries would be able to put out a side in international rugby.”

    Taif al Delamie, an Omani national who is affiliated to Muscat, was the only Arab to play for the Gulf in the Dubai Rugby Sevens last weekend.

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.12.08 09:10:49 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • We can’t have ‘beer free’ rugby now can we??? :shock:

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.12.08 09:13:31 by wpw Reply
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  • Taif al Delamie, an Omani national who is affiliated to Muscat, was the only Arab to play for the Gulf in the Dubai Rugby Sevens last weekend.

    And isn’t even a proper arab. The set him up with an interview for one of the local TV stations and then had an interviewer who spoke Arabic and taif who couldn’t speak a word of arabic. :lol:

    He is a Born and bred brit who happens to qualify for an Omani passport. :grin:

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.12.08 09:15:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 2) :

    That may have been a sarcastic comment but I think you are 100% correct.

    Having a beer or two during the game is almost traditional. Note a beer or two, NOT getting drunk.

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.12.08 09:16:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I have never expierienced anything quite like the Dubai Sevens, in RSA, everybody was relaxed, no agro and it was a huge Party, so if the olympic officials dont like it. Then they can get stuffed. People who would never have even heard of rugby go to the sevens, just to enjoy a day out and half of the fun is having a couple of beers, while watching the game.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.12.08 09:34:27 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 5) :

    Precisely.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.12.08 09:36:16 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • where the hell is everyone??? :roll:

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.12.08 09:39:03 by wpw Reply
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  • Traveling to Reading

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.12.08 10:18:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) : Having a beer? :wink:

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.12.08 10:45:28 by McLovin Reply

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  • Only downside to drinking a litre or two of beer at a rugby match is the trips to the toilet.

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.12.08 10:51:02 by McLovin Reply

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  • Can you have a beer while watching the athletic events at the olympics? Probably not. :evil:

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.12.08 10:52:39 by McLovin Reply

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  • When no one shows up at a dry event i am sure the message will be conveyed to the Chiefs.

    Although maybe the Bulls should institute this rule. Its bound to make going to Loftus 110% better

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.12.08 10:52:54 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Tradition versus inclusivity oubaas.

    Sure its great to have a beer at a game, but what about the fact that its not just a cultural, but also a religious taboo for Muslims?

    Should we then disregard that as we enjoy the way things are now? Nothing wrong with that, but then lets accept the flipside of it as well.

    My feeling is that when in Rome, we should do as they do – let the Dubai 7′s be teetotal IF we think it will actually increase Arabian participation.

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.12.08 10:52:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • 99 bottles of beer on the wall
    99 bottles of beer…..

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.12.08 10:53:58 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 13) : Those Romans sure knew how to party. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.12.08 11:02:14 by McLovin Reply

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  • So does this guy: :shock:

    Konishiki, reputed to be the world’s largest sumo wrestler at 625 pounds, once consumed 100 glasses of beer and 70 pieces of sushi at one sitting.

    Unfortunately it doesn’t mention how big the glasses were. :evil:

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.12.08 11:36:43 by McLovin Reply

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  • The Brits in 1996 brewed a beer made from a recipe gleaned from the walls of the tomb of Egyptian boy king Tutankhamen and sold the first bottle at auction for $7,200-the highest price ever paid for a bottle of beer.

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.12.08 11:39:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • The oldest document known to man is an ancient clay tablet depicting the preparation of beer for sacrificial purposes, inscribed in Babylon in 6000 BC.

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.12.08 11:40:08 by McLovin Reply

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  • The pursuit of beer changed the course of humanity forever in 5000 BC. Neolithic people abandoned their wandering lives for farming, to grow grain for brewing beer.

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.12.08 11:40:36 by McLovin Reply

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  • That’s enough history for one day. :roll:

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.12.08 11:40:55 by McLovin Reply

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  • Maybe not. :mrgreen:

    In 1116 BC, Chinese imperial edict stated that heaven required people to drink beer.

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.12.08 11:43:57 by McLovin Reply

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  • Last one. Honest.

    In ancient Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq), tavern owners found guilty of overcharging patrons for beer were put to death by drowning.

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.12.08 11:44:28 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 22) : We should bring this back. :lol:

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.12.08 11:49:29 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 23) : Certainly gets my vote. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.12.08 11:59:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • what’s new, vrinne?

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.12.08 12:17:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : not much. :roll:

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.12.08 12:21:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • 98 bottles of beer on the wall

    98 bottles of beer….

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.12.08 12:38:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 27) : you take one down, you pass it around
    97 bottles of beer on the wall

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.12.08 13:25:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : At last! :lol:

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.12.08 13:32:54 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 13) :

    BUT there is nothing in their “book” that says alcohol is forbidden. So it is a Traditional thing. There are MANY muslim nations who allow alcohol in their countries as well as actually consume it themselves.

    So we can’t call it a muslim thing.

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.12.08 13:36:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 29) : come on… keep going :)

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.12.08 13:36:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 30) :
    :shock: Now you are teaching me some heavy stuff.

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.12.08 13:41:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) :

    it all depends on how liberal you government or how conservative for that matter.

    KSA: No Pork, No Alcohol, No Women driving, no cinemas
    Kuwait: No Pork, No Alcohol
    Qatar: No Pork, Alcohol available but ONLY for non Arabs. Women can drive
    UAE: Pork available, Alcohol Available Women can drive
    Bahrain: Pork, alcohol and Women drivers all no problem to any nationality including the thousands of Saudi’s who go to Bahrain for exactly that purpose every weekend

    These are all countries that are part of the GCC (Gulf co-operative council – Sort of like the EU) and all that run their nation on Sharia law.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.12.08 13:49:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 33) : So Bahrain is like the Sodom & Gomorrah of the GCC? :mrgreen: :wink:

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.12.08 13:55:33 by McLovin Reply

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  • But on the religeous side isnt it still a religeous no no, What interested me was that you mentioned that the consumption of Alcohol was not actuallly Muslim law but more traditional. I always thouht it was cast in stone.

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.12.08 14:03:27 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 34) :

    yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!! :grin:

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.12.08 14:03:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 35) :

    that is the case with pork, but on alcohol I believe not. I MAY be wrong on the alcohol bit, but suspect not.

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.12.08 14:05:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 34) : what does GCC mean?

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.12.08 14:06:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : GCC (Gulf co-operative council – Sort of like the EU) and all that run their nation on Sharia law.

    Learnt that from KSA just minutes ago. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.12.08 14:07:09 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 39) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.12.08 14:10:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • So its off to Bahrain for you if you want bacon and eggs.

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.12.08 14:11:33 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • i’d kill for a beer right now

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.12.08 14:12:51 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 41) :

    YIP, We go most Thursday Mornings, actually went on Sunday Morning as well this week. :razz:

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.12.08 14:12:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA – no cinemas. :shock:

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.12.08 14:13:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 44) :

    YIP. :evil:

    DVDs are heavily censored. :evil:

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.12.08 14:17:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • “UAE: Pork available, Alcohol Available Women can drive”
    This was really looking promising, especially when I got to the Women part only to be let down by the words “can drive” as opposed to the “available” that had formed in my mind.

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.12.08 14:18:07 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 46) :

    Many Filipino and Arab Dancing clubs available. Sort of like teazers but with clothes on and you get thrown out if you dare take a photo or try and touch. :grin:

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.12.08 14:20:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Amazing how a woman behind the wheel of a car can be lumped together with the “bad” things in some of these countries.

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.12.08 14:22:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • It’s gonna be a long 2 months till the rugby starts again judging by the conversation :wink:

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.12.08 14:22:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • At least it’s educational :roll:

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.12.08 14:23:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 46) :

    Whindy should be able to ellaborate but there is a “card system” in the UAE for alcohol. Along the lines of you prove what your income is and you get a license to buy alcohol for x amount per month depending on your income.

    Qatar is similar.

    Bahrain has bottle stores where anyone can go and buy but they are not allowed to advertise their name or product in any way. So for example if you walk into Africa and East or Gulf Cellars you may think you are walking into an office block and then once you are inside it is like a little treasure trove. :cool:

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.12.08 14:23:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 47) : Teazers with clothes on? Do you normally take yours off when you go to teazers? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.12.08 14:23:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 49) :
    :lol:

  • Comment 53, posted at 09.12.08 14:24:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 47) :
    Nipple caps and g-strings or fully clothed?

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.12.08 14:24:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 54) :

    fully clothed. picture belly dancing type of clothing

  • Comment 55, posted at 09.12.08 14:24:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 52) :

    only when I am working :lol:

  • Comment 56, posted at 09.12.08 14:25:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 51) :
    And the merchandise is no doubt packaged in a brown paper bag.

  • Comment 57, posted at 09.12.08 14:29:20 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 49) : @Salmonoid (Comment 54) : I rest my case :lol:

  • Comment 58, posted at 09.12.08 14:32:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 57) :

    :razz:

    just like anywhere else.

    But they don’t believe in the environment over here yet so they still use plain whaite plastic bags rather than paper

  • Comment 59, posted at 09.12.08 14:33:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 56) : :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 60, posted at 09.12.08 14:44:11 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 58) :
    I Am very open to discussing gps co-ordinates for the farm dam where that fish came from.

  • Comment 61, posted at 09.12.08 14:49:39 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 30) :
    Interesting point, but it would seem that alcohol is in fact forbidden:
    Question: Why is alcohol forbidden in Islam?

    Answer: Intoxicants were forbidden in the Qur’an through several separate verses revealed at different times over a period of years. At first, it was forbidden for Muslims to attend to prayers while intoxicated (4:43). Then a later verse was revealed which said that alcohol contains some good and some evil, but the evil is greater than the good (2:219). This was the next step in turning people away from consumption of it. Finally, “intoxicants and games of chance” were called “abominations of Satan’s handiwork,” intended to turn people away from God and forget about prayer, and Muslims were ordered to abstain (5:90-91). (Note – the Qur’an is not arranged chronologically, so later verses of the book were not necessarily revealed after earlier verses.)

    In the first verse cited above, the word for “intoxicated” is sukara which is derived from the word “sugar” and means drunk or intoxicated. That verse doesn’t mention the drink which makes one so. In the next verses cited, the word which is often translated as “wine” or “intoxicants” is al-khamr, which is related to the verb “to ferment.” This word could be used to describe other intoxicants such as beer, although wine is the most common understanding of the word.

    Muslims interpret these verses in total to forbid any intoxicating substance — whether it be wine, beer, gin, whiskey, or whatever. The result is the same, and the Qur’an outlines that it is the intoxication, which makes one forgetful of God and prayer, which is harmful. Over the years, the list of intoxicating substances has come to include more modern street drugs and the like.

    The Prophet Muhammad also instructed his followers, at the time, to avoid any intoxicating substances — (paraphrased) “if it intoxicates in a large amount, it is forbidden even in a small amount.” For this reason, most observant Muslims avoid alcohol in any form, even small amounts that are sometimes used in cooking.
    http://islam.about.com/od/health/f/alcohol.htm

    The issue of actual practise or not is beside the point really – individual/ private hypocrisy is par for the course, and cant justify offending any religion.

  • Comment 62, posted at 09.12.08 15:31:42 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 61) : I could get it for you when I go again….problem is getting permission to fish there…it took me 4 years of convincing the owner to let me fish there :roll:

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 63) :
    Rather not post them here, you never know who might rock up at the dam, telling the farmer to piss off because Pokkel had given him permission to fish there. :lol:

  • Comment 64, posted at 09.12.08 16:10:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • On his recent tour to South Africa, Rod Stewart apparently just pitched up at the local Glasgow Celtic supporters club in Johannesburg to watch the Celtic vs Hibernian game with some local fellow supporters. He is apparently a huge Celtic fan and was by all accounts a regular guy. Celtic lost 2-0. He left after leaving a healthy donation to a charity.

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 65) : I wonder if Il Postino was there…

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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) :
    Is he a Glasgow Celtic fan, or a Bloem Celtic fan.

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 67) : Glasgow, of course :)

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  • Some more riveting beer history. :roll:

    Belgian beer styles vary from the popular pale lager and White beer to the esoteric appeal of Lambic beer and Flemish red. Belgium’s rich brewing history dates back to the Middle Ages, when monasteries began producing beer. Belgian beer production was assisted by the 1919 Belgian “Vandervelde Act” that prohibited the sale of spirits in pubs, inducing the market to produce beers with a higher level of alcohol. The act was lifted in 1983.

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 23) : Seems there’s a further twist.

    In their efforts to regulate beer quality, the ancient Babylonians, who were among history’s earliest brewers, decreed that any commercial beermaker who sold unfit beer would be drowned in his/her own libation.

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  • It was the accepted practice in Babylon 4,000 years ago that for a month after the wedding, the bride’s father would supply his son-in law with all the mead he could drink. Mead is a honey beer, and because their calendar was lunar based, this period was called the “honey month”, or what we know today as the “honeymoon”.

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  • Tegestology is what collecting beer mats is called.

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  • If you collect beer bottles your are a labeorphilist.

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  • Oom Kallie en Tant Anna ry in New York toe ‘n taxi langs hulle stop.
    Die taxidriver se toe vir hulle: ‘Good morning!’
    Tant Anna vra toe vir Oom Kallie: ‘Pappa, wat sê hy?’
    Toe antwoord Oom Kallie: ‘Ag, hy sê sommer hallo.’ En hulle ignoreer die taxidriver heeltemal.
    Toe vra die taxidriver: ‘Hey, where you from?’
    Tant Anna vra toe: ‘Pappa, wat se die man?’
    Oom Kallie antwoord: ‘Ag, hy vra sommer waarvandaan ons kom.’ En hulle

    antwoord ‘Souf Africa’.
    Die taxidriver sê toe: ‘Hey, I’ve been to South Africa and I had the worst sex there ever!’
    Tant Anna vra toe weer: ‘Pappa, wat se hy?’
    Oom Kallie: ‘Hy sê hy ken jou!

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  • Capetonian drove into Jozi and stopped at a rough nightclub. When
    he came out his car was gone. He rushed back into the bar, pulled
    out a gun and fired a shot into the ceiling.
    “Who stole my car?” he yelled. No one answered. “I’m gonna have
    another beer and if my wheels aren’t back outside by the time I
    finished, I’m gonna be forced to do what I did back on the Cape
    Flats!” The guy had another
    beer and his car mysteriously returned. The bartender followed him
    out of the bar and said, “say, what happened on the Cape Flats?” The
    guy smiled and said. “My broer, I had to walk home.”

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  • One day a farmer’s donkey fell down into a well. The animal cried piteously for hours as the farmer tried to figure out what to do.

    Finally, he decided the animal was old, and the well needed to be covered up anyway; it just wasn’t worth it to retrieve the donkey.

    He invited all his neighbors to come over and help him. They all grabbed a shovel and began to shovel dirt into the well.

    At first, the donkey realized what was happening and cried horribly. Then, to everyone’s amazement he quieted down.

    A few shovel loads later, the farmer finally looked down the well. He was astonished at what he saw. With each shovel of dirt that hit his back, the donkey was doing something amazing. He would shake it off and take a step up.

    As the farmer’s neighbors continued to shovel dirt on top of the animal, he would shake it off and take a step up. Pretty soon, everyone was amazed as the donkey stepped up over the edge of the well and happily trotted off!

    Life is going to shovel dirt on you, all kinds of dirt. The trick to getting out of the well is to shake it off and take a step up. Each of our troubles is a steppingstone. We can get out of the deepest wells just by not stopping, never giving up! Shake it off and take a step up.

    NOW ——–

    Enough of that crap . . .

    The donkey later came back and bit the shit out of the farmer who had tried to bury him. The gash from the bite got infected, and the farmer eventually died in agony from septic shock.

    MORAL FROM TODAY’S LESSON:
    When you do something wrong and try to cover your ass, it always comes back to bite you.

  • Comment 76, posted at 11.12.08 16:38:10 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 76) : :lol:

    Good morning bruddaz and sistaz…

    Friday…yeah!!!

  • Comment 77, posted at 12.12.08 08:15:22 by blckshrk - BUCS Reply

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