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Pretorius returns for Lions S14 warm up

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Lions, Super 14 on 19 Jan 2009 at 16:43
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Lions coach Eugene (Loffie) Eloff has divided his players into two sides for Saturday evening’s two Super 14 warm-up matches against the Bulls at Wits.

Rugbyweek reports that Loffie appears to have divided the players into what seems to be his preferred number one side and a second XV with all the big name recruits named in the obviously stronger White side.

The Bulls have indicated they will give some of their top players a rest, although some may get a run late in the match.

Like Eloff , the Bulls will use the warm-ups for experimentation.

Former Springbok wings Henno Mentz and Ashwin Willemse and former Bok lock Jannes Labuschagne, are three new faces that were absent in last year’s Lions Super 14 line-up – and as a reserve for Earl Rose is World Cup flyhalf Andre Pretorius (pictured), who makes his return after a year of injury problems.

US Eagles captain Todd Cleaver is bracketed on the flank with Franco van der Merwe while former Cheetahs centre Barry Goodes is named at inside centre as a reserve for Doppies le Grange.

The teams are:

White team:
Louis Ludik; Ashwin Willemse, Jaque Fourie, Doppies le Grange, Henno Mentz; Earl Rose, Jano Vermaak; Willem Alberts, Franco van der Merwe, Cobus Grobbelaar (capt.), Anton van Zyl, Jannes Labuschagne, Gert Muller, Willie Wepener, Heinke van der Merwe.
Replacements: Hans van Dyk, Lawrence Sephaka, Todd Clever, Barry Goodes. Andries Pretorius.

Red team:
Shandre Frolick; Jannie Boshoff, Deon van Rensburg Walter Venter, Dusty Noble; Louis Strydom, Chris Jonck (capt); Robert Kruger, Justin Wheeler, Derick Minni, Antonie Gronum, Rynard Landman, Ross Geldenhuys, Ethienne Reyneck, JS Janse van Rensburg.
Replacements: Gert-Andries van der Merwe. Derek Harwood, Martin Bezuidenhout, Johan van Deventer,Thulip Marol, Luaan Steenkamp, Jody Rose, Divan Kotze, Lehan Koekemoer, Alistair Siegelaar

The two teams play the Bulls at Wits on Saturday at 6pm and 8pm.


  • Hope he lasts for most of the season.

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.01.09 16:49:46 by McLovin Reply
    McLovinAssistant coach
  • Ethienne Reyneck? Do they mean redneck, because of his mullett. Does he still have the mullett? :lol:

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.01.09 17:07:56 by McLovin Reply
    McLovinAssistant coach
  • Andries Pretorius = Andre Pretorius?

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.01.09 17:12:09 by McLovin Reply
    McLovinAssistant coach
  • Wasnt he a front puller?

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.01.09 17:20:51 by PJLD Reply
    Clayton(PJLD)Team captain
  • @PJLD (Comment 4) : My front puller knowledge is limited. Only attended a few camps. :neutral:

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.01.09 17:28:34 by McLovin Reply

    McLovinAssistant coach
  • Well glad to see he is back…not sure about how long though….

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.01.09 17:53:56 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • Here is a poll of die-hard AndreP supporters…

    Who should be the Lions’ first-choice Super 14 flyhalf?
    • Andre Pretorius
    268 84% of all votes
    • Earl Rose
    52 16% of all votes
    Total Votes: 320 Started: January 19, 2009

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.01.09 17:55:43 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @Hmmm (Comment 7) : I think a lot of those who voted for Petoors would take anyone but Earl. :wink:

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.01.09 18:01:51 by McLovin Reply

    McLovinAssistant coach
  • I saw the LIONS kit in a Mr Price Sports shop…
    It looks good…so at least they will look good losing…LoL

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.01.09 18:12:14 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • @McLovin (Comment 8) :

    LoL I guess so…or they are just very hopeful…

    I don’t think either is an answer at 10 in S14 rugby…

    Petoors will be if he does not get injured with every contact…he was very influential in the LIONS 5 victories in 2007….

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.01.09 18:17:50 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • Luaan Steenkamp in the Red team substitutes. A mate of mines wife’s name is Luanne, I wonder if it is her? :roll:

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.01.09 18:39:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 11) : Some of the names above are not exactly the who’s who of SA rugby. :twisted:

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.01.09 18:44:32 by McLovin Reply

    McLovinAssistant coach
  • The Spelling on 365′s teamsheets seems to be a whole lot better than the Rugbyweek ones. :smile:


    Red team: 15 Shandre Frolick, 14 Jannie Boshoff, 13 Deon van Rensburg, 12 Walter Venter, 11 Dusty Noble, 10 Louis Strydom, 9 Chris Jonck (captain), 8 Robert Kruger, 7 Justin Wheeler, 6 Derick Minnie, 5 Antonie Gronum, 4 Rynard Landman, 3 Ross Geldenhuys, 2 Ethienne Reynecke, 1 JC Janse van Rensburg.
    Replacements – from: Gert-Andries van der Merwe, Derek Harwood/Martin Bezuidenhout, Lehan Koekemoer, Thulip Marole, Johan van Deventer, Alistair Siegelaar, Divan Kotze, Jody Rose, Luaan Steenkamp, Jan van Zyl.

    White team: 15 Louis Ludik, 14 Ashwin Willemse, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Doppies la Grange, 11 Henno Mentz, 10 Earl Rose, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Willem Alberts, 7 Franco van der Merwe, 6 Cobus Grobbelaar (captain), 5 Anton van Zyl, 4 Jannes Labuschagne, 3 Gert Muller, 2 Willie Wepener, 1 Heinke van der Merwe.
    Replacements – from: Hans van Dyk, Lawrence Sephaka, Todd Clever, André Pretorius, Barry Goodes, Michael Killian.

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.01.09 18:50:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @Hmmm (Comment 7) :

    Shame, Louis Strydom doesn’t even get a mention. :oops:

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.01.09 18:51:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • Two good scrumhalves.

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.01.09 18:53:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • Gert-Andries van der Merwe – must have been a joy learning to write his own name as a child. :roll:

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.01.09 18:55:27 by McLovin Reply

    McLovinAssistant coach
  • It seems clear that the White team is the A team.

    Not a magnificent side but not kak either.

    Onlt REAL concerns IMO are 11, 4,5and 3.

    I only say 3 is a concern because I have never heard of him before, but that seems to forever be the case with me and Lions players.

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.01.09 18:57:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • Ludeke said he will use it to sort out their places for the Vodacom Cup…I’m sure that will make our players happy….LOL!

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.01.09 18:59:49 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

    walter van Lions WorldCurrie Cup player
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 17) :

    He played in 5 of our Currie Cup matches last year and was in the team that beat the Blue Bulls at Loftus waar dit rof is…

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.01.09 19:01:15 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

    walter van Lions WorldCurrie Cup player
  • rugby365.com’s statistics partner Pick & Go has produced a Super Rugby ranking table which calculated the ranking point positions of each team since the first Super 12 match in 1996.

    Having started each team on 80 points and then moved them up and down relative to each other using the same points exchange system that the International Rugby Board use for ranking Test matches, P&G has produced a table as it stands after 13 years of professional rugby.

    Obviously it does not include Super Rugby tournaments from the amateur era – the Super 10 and its predecessor the Super Six (the latter during South Africa’s isolation years).

    It is also worth noting that the two teams that dominated the Super 10 – Queensland (now the Reds), winners in 1994 and 1995, and Transvaal (since then part of the Cats and more recently the Lions), 1993 winners and 1995 finalists – have failed to replicate that early Super form.

    Despite finishing top of the standings in 1996 and 1999, as well as reaching the play-offs in 2001, the Reds’ form has been so poor that they can’t finish in the top 10 overall.

    The Lions (their stats are being combined with that of the Cats from 1998 till 2005) managed to reach the play-offs in 2000 and 2001, but overall also can’t make the top 10.

    Even the Blues, with their three titles, have not been consistent enough for a top three position.

    As rankings go, there are the obvious positions – the Crusaders at the top – and then the interesting teams who win nothing, but always come close.

    If nothing else, it certainly makes for an interesting conversation and debatable subject.

    Here then, are Pick & Go’s Super team rankings:
    1 Crusaders (New Zealand) 87.8923
    2 Waratahs (Australia) 84.1922
    3 Stormers (South Africa) 83.5516
    4 Blues (New Zealand) 82.8286
    5 Sharks (South Africa) 82.7554
    6 Hurricanes (New Zealand) 82.1277
    7 Bulls (South Africa) 81.1403
    8 Chiefs (New Zealand) 80.2531
    9 Brumbies (Australia) 79.5587
    10 Force (Australia) 79.3166
    11 Highlanders (New Zealand) 75.7118
    12 Reds (Australia) 74.9204
    13 Lions (South Africa) 74.1383
    14 Cheetahs (South Africa) 71.6132

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.01.09 19:01:35 by McLovin Reply

    McLovinAssistant coach
  • Why do they combine the stats of the Lions and the Cats? Why not the Cheetahs and the Cats?

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.01.09 19:03:42 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

    walter van Lions WorldCurrie Cup player
  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 21) : Cheetahs can’t go any lower. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.01.09 19:04:53 by McLovin Reply

    McLovinAssistant coach
  • Is someone gonna put up a thread to congratulate the Otto family?

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.01.09 19:05:43 by wpw Reply
    wpwAssistant coach
  • @McLovin (Comment 22) :

    That Cats franchise was the worst idea ever, whoever dreamt it up should be shot…stupid name as well…

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.01.09 19:08:41 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

    walter van Lions WorldCurrie Cup player
  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 19) :

    hey Walter. As I mentioned before, I actually think it was to you, I somehow seem to ALWAYS miss the names of the new Lions players until they make the bok side or something.

    I have no idea why that is. :oops:

    I am not taking the piss here i am being serious.

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.01.09 19:12:11 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @wpw (Comment 23) :

    NO why should we put up a second one? One is enough.

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.01.09 19:12:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • Sorry I was wrong, he got 4 caps last year not 5…and he made his debut for us in 2006

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.01.09 19:14:58 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

    walter van Lions WorldCurrie Cup player
  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 24) : Indeed. Not a happy marriage that was.

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.01.09 19:16:26 by McLovin Reply

    McLovinAssistant coach
  • Finally a website that publishes a team in a very useful configuration.

    The Lions website have published the teams for the Friendly and actually indicated in which position the reserves are being played. :cool:

    Let’s hope they actually PLAY in those positions indicated.

    White team
    No. Starting Line Up / Reserve

    1 Heinke van der Merwe
    2 Willie Wepener / Hans van Dyk
    3 Gert Muller / Lawrence Sephaka
    4 Jannes Labuschagne
    5 Anton van Zyl
    6 Cobus Grobbelaar (C)
    7 Franco van der Merwe / Todd Clever
    8 Willem Alberts
    9 Jano Vermaak
    10 Earl Rose / Andre Pretorius
    11 Henno Mentz
    12 Doppies la Grange / Barry Goodes
    13 Jaque Fourie / Michael Killian
    14 Ashwin Willemse
    15 Louis Ludik

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.01.09 06:36:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • Red Team:

    No. Starting Line Up / Reserves

    1 JC Janse van Rensburg / Gert-Andries van der Merwe
    2 Ethienne Reynecke / Derek Harwood, Martin Bezuidenhout
    3 Ross Geldenhuys
    4 Rynard Landman / Lehan Koekemoer
    5 Antonie Gronum
    6 Derick Minnie / Thulip Marole
    7 Justin Wheeler / Johan van Deventer
    8 Robert Kruger
    9 Chris Jonck (C) / Alistair Siegelaar
    10 Louis Strydom / Divan Kotze
    11 Dusty Noble
    12 Walter Venter / Jody Rose
    13 Deon van Rensburg / Luaan Steenkamp
    14 Jannie Boshoff / Jan van Zyl
    15 Shandre Frolick

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.01.09 06:40:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach

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