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So how bad are the Bulls really?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Super 14 on 1 Feb 2009 at 10:52
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There’s much pre-season wailing and gnashing of teeth going on in fairest Tshwane this weekend, after the Bulls’ second successive loss in a pre-season hit-out against (supposedly) weaker opposition. Do they have any real cause for concern? Sharksworld investigates…

Now, I need to start off by reiterating that only a fool reads too much into pre-season results. Subterfuge and trickery are rife and coaches are loathe to reveal their strongest combinations or their likely tournament tactics. The risk of serious injury to a key playmaker looms large as well, implying a definite possibility that some big names lack commitment in these fixtures.

All that said, though – the Bulls first choice team should not be losing to the Cheetahs. Or should they?

I have long maintained that the Bulls’ famed “limitless depth” is, in fact, a sham. They take pride in contracting every possible age-group star they can, yet these youngsters are seldom afforded gametime in any serious way. Most will eventually accept offers from other unions or go abroad. Those who actually make a successful transition to the senior side are few and far between. The Bulls, to my mind, are far more likely to draft in a journeyman from another province than they are to promote an academy member; the acquisition of Jaco Pretorius is a case in point.

I also maintain that the Bulls’ front row is an area of real weakness. Neither Gurthrö Steenkamp nor Rayno Gerber are props that can dominate an opponent in the scrum, while Derrick Kuün’s continual selection as first-choice hooker leaves them woefully short in terms of the basic skills of the position. Youngster Frik Kirsten represents a ray of light on the horizon, but he is still young and will need to mature. Neither Werner Kruger nor Jaco Engels is a particularly strong scrumamger either. Lots of beef, but not much bite, one might say.

In fact, for the Bulls, it’s getting to the stage where Bakkies Botha is about the only hard guy left in the engine room, with Captain Vic preferring to operate on the wing – a trend which seems to have rubbed off on his young protege, Andries Bekker. Danie Rossouw and Pedrie Wannenberg are both men who were stalwarts of the Bulls “pack of iron” in the Heyneke Meyer days. The former can’t get a start and the latter can’t even get into the match 22 any more. Deon Stegmann is a busy player at openside flank but is still green at this level and was completely outsmarted by both Hein Brüssow and Baywatch Grobler in successive outings. Dewald Potgieter and Pierre Spies are both skillfull players, but both lacking that hard edge. In short, the Bulls lack a real brute in their loose trio. They also appear to lack the smarts to compete effectively at the breakdown under the ELV’s.

What it all comes down to, as far as I’m concerned, is that the Bulls, amazingly, are going to struggle for possession in the upcoming Super 14. The famed Bulls pack – the juggernaut around which so much of their historical success and playing pattern has been based – has been decimated. Quality has left or retired and has not been replaced with similar quality. They will fail to dominate at the scrum and will be outmanoeuvred at the point of tackle. In fact, the lineout remains the only primary platform where they are likely to maintain their previous dominance.

They may have shored up their back division – and don’t get me wrong, I think they’ll do far better with a 10-12-13 axis of Morne Steyn, Wynand Olivier and Jaco Pretorius – but without any possession, it’s unlikely to help them much. Add the injury to Fourie du Preez, Steyn’s almost legendary lack of real BMT and Bryan Habana’s woeful form of 2008 and there is much cause for concern.

No, I fear that the Bulls are not going to be the force in 2009 that their ardent fans would like to believe they will be. Don’t be too surprised to see Frans Ludeke rack up yet another bottom 6 finish this year – as he has done every other time he’s coached a Super rugby franchise.



261 Comments

  • and I’m not biased at all :)

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.02.09 10:54:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : I’ll second this only cos I hate the Bulls, not cos I know any better. :smile:

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.02.09 11:20:27 by klempie Reply

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  • Fourie du Preez out for a month.

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.02.09 12:34:10 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 3) : so will he miss the tour?

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.02.09 13:17:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nice arti Mr Dylan.

    On the subject of Bulls this oke takes himself way too seriously.

    Joost takes on ‘lying’ newspaper
    01/02/2009 11:00 – (SA)

    Gavin Prins, Rapport

    Johannesburg – Former Springbok captain Joost van der Westhuizen has said he’s had enough of irresponsible journalists who don’t check facts before publishing an article.

    He is currently taking legal action against an English newspaper, which in a newspaper article, linked him directly to the liquidation of Progressive Investment Trust (PIT).

    However, Van der Westhuizen had merely been in training for the position of PIT head. The manager of PIT and Progressive Asset Management (PAM) had approached Van der Westhuizen for the position of later taking over management of PIT.

    Van der Westhuizen said the newspaper’s headline “Joost se beleggingsmaatskappy vou” (Joost’s investment company folds) implied that he was directly involved with irregularities.

    He said he’d never had an investment company and after pointing this out to the newspaper, they had apologised to him.

    Van der Westhuizen said he had lost numerous projects due to the article, which he said, cast him in a negative light.

    “I have nothing to hide, because I didn’t do anything. It was a big lesson that I learnt in my first foray into big business. But it doesn’t mean that I am going to sit back when people attack and cast doubt on my integrity and spread lies so they can sell their newspapers.”

    - Rapport

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.02.09 13:50:38 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 3) :

    So much for them trying to put a positive spin on the loss by saying nobody got injured????????????????

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.02.09 15:13:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 5) :

    Maybe just being seen a a D@@S is what cast him in a negative light?

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.02.09 15:15:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) : if the shoe fits …

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.02.09 15:34:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • Interesting article Mr Dylan.

    I particularly found the points over the non-development of young talent and the movement away from the traditional brute forwards though-provoking.

    You hide a keen mind under that troglodyte brow.

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.02.09 22:24:39 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 9) : i aim to please :-)

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.02.09 22:39:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • Perhaps the article should read, “So how good are the Freestate?”

  • Comment 11, posted at 02.02.09 13:40:55 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 11) : well, I did consider that. Then again, I thought it would piss the Bulls off more if I did it this way.

  • Comment 12, posted at 02.02.09 13:42:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : I totally understand why you did then.

  • Comment 13, posted at 02.02.09 14:14:08 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 11) : Still have a soft spot for Free State then… :lol:

  • Comment 14, posted at 02.02.09 14:16:47 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 13) : some oke on Keo took me on about this. I’m just so chuffed that he found it in the first place :)

  • Comment 15, posted at 02.02.09 14:25:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • Well I disagree Rob.

    You are right, read anything into a pre-season warm-up match at your own peril, but this article I believe will come and bite you in the ass!

    A couple of seasons ago the Stormers beat the Bulls comfortably in a warm-up match, later that year, in the competition, they conceded over 70 points to the same Bulls.

    Their weakness is depth in their tight 5, and losing Wikus. I rate young Stegman quite highly but yes he still has some way to go, but he is now older (in experience) than a certain Deysel.

    Other than that, their squad looks pretty damn good.

    I reckon ALL SA teams will yet again struggle at the breakdown so this is nothing new.

    In modern rugby ‘dominating’ a scrum is a myth. The Bulls will hold their own.

    Also, like any team, losses to key players will affect them, but in the Bulls case, they have some good experience waiting in the wings.

    The Super 14 is no place to ‘blood’ youngsters or even new combinations actually. So by strengthening their squad by buying ‘journeymen’ is actually exactly what I would do.

    If the Bulls sort out their breakdown problems which is their biggest weakness, they will do damn well.

    In fact after studying all the squads, I have the Bulls down to finish top of all SA teams…

  • Comment 16, posted at 02.02.09 14:27:33 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 16) :

    If Kirchner is injured, Jaco vd Westuizen takes his place.
    If Habana/Ndungane goes, Jaco vd Westhuizen/Marius Delport/John Mametsa can come in.
    If Jaco Pretorius gets injured, we have JP Nel
    Wynand Olivier – Wayne Julies
    Morne Steyn – Jaco vd Westhuizen/Burton Francis.
    Fourie du Preez – Heinie Adams.
    Pierre Spies – Dewald Potgieter replaces him.
    Dewald Potgieter – Pedrie Wannenburg comes in.
    Deon Stegman – I’d move Kuun to no.6, which is his best position in any case.
    Bakkies Botha or Victor Matfield – Danie Rossouw
    Rayno Gerber – Werner Kruger
    Derick Kuun – Chilliboy
    Gurthro Steenkamp – Jaco Engels

    Overall, I’d say the Bulls are well prepared for most eventualities and have adequate depth going into the competition.

  • Comment 17, posted at 02.02.09 14:37:17 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 16) : Aaaah yes, Morne must be sober.

  • Comment 18, posted at 02.02.09 14:37:46 by PJLD Reply
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  • I’ll never back the Tshwane Cows!

  • Comment 19, posted at 02.02.09 14:41:52 by PJLD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :

    You were on KEO??? :shock:

  • Comment 20, posted at 02.02.09 14:46:40 by wpw - Take that Chelsea!!! Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 18) : Too sober…

  • Comment 21, posted at 02.02.09 14:47:19 by blackshark Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 17) : thanks… I’ve been waiting for 2 days for someone to dissect this piece.

    Where’ve you been hiding?

  • Comment 22, posted at 02.02.09 14:49:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 18) :

    Busy moving house dude,so not completely sober!

  • Comment 23, posted at 02.02.09 14:49:37 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 17) : If Jaco Pretorius gets injured, we have JP Nel

    we? WE :?: What the f___ is goings on here?

  • Comment 24, posted at 02.02.09 14:49:59 by PJLD Reply
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  • @wpw – Take that Chelsea!!! (Comment 20) : dude – been stirring there all morning

  • Comment 25, posted at 02.02.09 14:50:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 23) : Considering where you currently reside you can only be coming closer my way :twisted:

  • Comment 26, posted at 02.02.09 14:51:02 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 24) : I also noticed that :)

  • Comment 27, posted at 02.02.09 14:51:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) :

    Moving house dude!

    Hanging blinds at the moment, and the 3G connection is kak slow.

  • Comment 28, posted at 02.02.09 14:52:27 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 16) :

    All articles are written to bite someone in the ass anyway- usually it’s Rob but occasionally he gets it right and the bite goes to the non-believers… :lol:

    I honestly don’t see the Bulls finishing above the Sharks or Stormers…but the games begin in a week and a bit…soon we’ll find out.

  • Comment 29, posted at 02.02.09 14:53:49 by blackshark Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 17) :

    If Jaco Pretorius gets injured, we have JP Nel

    :shock:

    So you a Bulls supporter now??? :evil:

  • Comment 30, posted at 02.02.09 14:58:57 by wpw - Take that Chelsea!!! Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 29) : very occasionally

  • Comment 31, posted at 02.02.09 15:04:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw – Take that Chelsea!!! (Comment 30) :

    Nope you’ll find when discussin all teams I refer to us and we, very seldom them, unless of course I want to piss someone off!

  • Comment 32, posted at 02.02.09 15:06:49 by MorneN Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) :

    Well, I’ll have you know I don’t visit any other rugby blogs… I’m faithful to Sharksworld!!! :lol: :smile:

  • Comment 33, posted at 02.02.09 15:11:01 by wpw - Take that Chelsea!!! Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 28) : Finally seen the light – where you at these days?

  • Comment 34, posted at 02.02.09 15:13:27 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @wpw – Take that Chelsea!!! (Comment 33) : That comments makes you a lying ho :D :twisted: :D

  • Comment 35, posted at 02.02.09 15:14:41 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @wpw – Take that Chelsea!!! (Comment 33) : I go to all of em

  • Comment 36, posted at 02.02.09 15:15:21 by PJLD Reply
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  • That just makes me a ho

  • Comment 37, posted at 02.02.09 15:17:19 by PJLD Reply
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  • @wpw – Take that Chelsea!!! (Comment 33) :

    Hehe, its a big world out there hey!

    @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 34) :

    In CPT still, just moved house, staying in Capri.

    We never hooked up for that beer you know!?

    Must perhaps make a plan when the Stormers play again?

  • Comment 38, posted at 02.02.09 15:18:11 by MorneN Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 35) :

    Well. i haven’t been to Voldy in months and the only other rugga site i frequent is the WP club rugga site… :oops:

  • Comment 39, posted at 02.02.09 15:22:40 by wpw - Take that Chelsea!!! Reply
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  • staying where :?:

  • Comment 40, posted at 02.02.09 15:22:53 by PJLD Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 37) : Tee hee. You said ho.

  • Comment 41, posted at 02.02.09 15:23:22 by klempie Reply

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  • @PJLD (Comment 40) :

    Capri, on your way to Kommetjie.

    Close to the fishing waters! :)

  • Comment 42, posted at 02.02.09 15:25:21 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 42) : Aha, good diving that side.

    Did some fishing Camps Bay side the other day,ocean kayaks rule!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 02.02.09 15:27:27 by PJLD Reply
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  • @wpw – Take that Chelsea!!! (Comment 39) : I believe you….thousands wouldn’t :D

  • Comment 44, posted at 02.02.09 15:27:49 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 38) : Indeed – we can drink beer with pleasure. Good choice of neighbourhood.

  • Comment 45, posted at 02.02.09 15:29:16 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 44) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 02.02.09 15:30:48 by wpw - Take that Chelsea!!! Reply
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  • I wouldn’t underestimate the Bulls. They had a new coach during the 2008 Super 14 and still had to come to grips with the ELV’s( they take a bit longer) , but they have come a long way since then and had a very good CC , so underestimate the Bulls at your own peril.

    GO SHARKS

  • Comment 47, posted at 02.02.09 16:04:09 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 47) : They still have JP Nel and Frans Ludeke. I dont think they can be underestimated enough. I wouldnt be surprised to see them scraping over the wooden spoon.

  • Comment 48, posted at 02.02.09 16:13:12 by billy Reply

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  • @billy (Comment 48) : You forget that the Bulls only lost 9-14 in the Final of the CC and the game before that against the Sharks( I forget the scoreline ) something like 33 – 25(and Morne Steyn missed 6 kicks). All I’m saying is that I’m carefull to right them off completely. I think they could end anything from 5-9 on the log.

  • Comment 49, posted at 02.02.09 16:21:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @billy (Comment 48) : I hate the Bulls just as much as anybody on this site….but statements like your more often than not comes back to bite you. Objectively looking at their team it’s not half bad and they probably have more depth in their backline than the Sharks.

  • Comment 50, posted at 02.02.09 16:24:04 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 50) : Fair comment. Just cant find my objectiveness with JP and Frans involved. I really hope you are wrong and they completely see their arse. Then in my perfect world Habana moves to the Sharks.

  • Comment 51, posted at 02.02.09 16:41:30 by billy Reply

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  • @billy (Comment 51) : why? Our wings are better… or rather, they work a shit load harder

  • Comment 52, posted at 02.02.09 16:55:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • Dear Rob

    I do not know who you are and I accidentally found this piece you wrote sometime near the beginning of the year (2009). Since I have a “live and let live” policy I nearly let it go but after scanning it I decided I had to respond. Before I take it further I would like to explain how I stumbled upon your little piece of cynical journalism (if I may call it that) – I was watching the Stade Francais/Bath match today and Rayno Gerber came on as a reserve and I Googled Rayno Gerber to see where he is these days … voila up popped your gem of an article, an example of what I like to call vapourture, and I’m sure you would have a clever retort to to my label so eat your heart out! I’m not sure whether you actually have any academic or other qualification and whether you get paid to write drivel like this or if you are just a tool being used to generate more hits for this website; neither if you will ever read this response or reply to it, and I’m also not sure why I am so incensed by it, but please remember that there is an educated audience out there, the nameless, faceless few who are getting fed up by all the polution being dished up as informed opinions clogging up this global squattercamp we call the world wide web, who are getting tired of googling for useful information and then stumble upon the crap that insignificant folks like yourself dish out to the converted stupid idiots also known as the general public. I would one day like to buy you a beer to hear what make you really tick, if anything at all, but I know that will never happen. Regards, Eckard Potgieter

  • Comment 53, posted at 18.10.09 19:48:07 by eckard Reply

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  • @eckard (Comment 53) : :roll: :smile: :lol:

  • Comment 54, posted at 18.10.09 19:54:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • What was that phrase Sauce taught me?

    Oh yes.

    BUMP!!!!!

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 55) :

    Or was it NUDGE! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 56, posted at 18.10.09 20:54:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @eckard (Comment 53) : so I take it you didn’t like the article?

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 56) :

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh It worked he saw the comment. :razz:

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  • @eckard (Comment 53) : ok, so let’s respond, then, although my better judgement tells me not to!

    I don’t get paid to write anything. This is my site – I set it up to share the drivel that I call an opinion with the 500 or so ignorant dolts that log on on a daily basis to read said outpouring of worthless trash. Sorry your tastes are so much more refined. Maybe if Rayno Gerber weren’t such a SHIT prop, then more people would write stuff about him and my article wouldn’t even appear on Google’s first page of results. I’m glad they taught him to scrum in France, anyway…

    As for buying me a beer, I’m always keen, dude. I don’t happen to live in Tuine or Hercules or wherever it is you call home, though, so next time you’re in the UK, look me up!

  • Comment 59, posted at 18.10.09 21:08:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 56) : thanks – I think :)

    And here I thought it would be a quiet evening

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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : Rob thanks for replying – I would like to apologise for the over-agressive tone of my original remarks but I was really riled up by comments of some people after the Bulls victory at Newlands.

    As it happens I live in the UAE, about Comrades Marathon distance from Dubai and about 6km from the Yas Marina F1 race course which I hope to attend this weekend.

    If I happen to get to London again I will definitely drop you a line and see if we could have a couple of pints. Maybe I could convince you that everybody coming from Pretoria do not live in Tuine or Hercules and have some enlightened ideas about life, rugby and everything else.

    Regards Eckard

  • Comment 61, posted at 29.10.09 00:24:43 by eckard Reply

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  • Hi Eckard, we seem to live in the same town, and I happen to know Rob quite well, I can assure you that he is a Shark supporter of note and has a more than Knowledgeable idea of the game of Rugby!! Hindsight is a perfect science, when this article was written even the most ardent of Bull supporters would have been inclined to agree with it(Maybe ??), so I think you have to take that into context when reading the article. I am a lions supporter, for my sins, and yet you find me on a sharks site , the main reason is that the guys on this site are fun and Knowledgeable and Rob runs a good site, always updating us. We all know he has eyes only for his beloved Sharks and there are a lot of one eyed people on this site, but if you hang around you will meet people who are nice and we even allow Province supporters to post here. So perhaps you should give it a chance before you judge it to harshly. Good luck to your Bulls this week-end. By the way Rob went to Boys High, so I think he is more than qualified to judge the people of Pretoria/tshwane call it what you like!! We should meet at Hemmingways for that beer I will drink it on Robs behalf!!

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  • @Whindy (Comment 62) :”… we even allow Province supporters to post here…”
    With a strict allowance on when we can post and what we can say :mrgreen:

  • Comment 63, posted at 29.10.09 08:53:40 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 63) : that’s enough out of the likes of you for one day :-)

  • Comment 64, posted at 29.10.09 09:06:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 63) : @robdylan (Comment 64) : I was expecting a lot of Abuse from Wes, but so far nothing!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 65, posted at 29.10.09 09:09:54 by Whindy Reply
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  • @eckard (Comment 61) : Come visit the site more often…..lots of (mostly) friendly banter…..but don’t expect a lot of Bulls supporter here. I for one only slam the Bulls out of respect for the great team that they are…. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 66, posted at 29.10.09 09:20:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 64) : :lol:

  • Comment 67, posted at 29.10.09 09:22:42 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • HO$H JA!! :twisted:

  • Comment 68, posted at 29.10.09 09:38:42 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 66) : I think we all do, called jealousy :mrgreen: Never admired the style of rugby though!!

  • Comment 69, posted at 29.10.09 09:57:03 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 69) : Rob, Klempie and a couple of others will never admit it but they shit themselves when the Sharks have to play the Bulls…. :roll:

    They played some pretty entertaining rugby during the Super 14, not so impressive against WP in the semi’s though

  • Comment 70, posted at 29.10.09 10:07:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 70) : They scare anybody they are an awesome side and there have been glimpses of a more adventurous game but they shut up shop in the Big games which is inderstandable

  • Comment 71, posted at 29.10.09 10:14:29 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 71) :

    hello hello hello…

    Seems I missed out!!

  • Comment 72, posted at 29.10.09 10:28:57 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 70) : i’ll admit that openly :-)

  • Comment 73, posted at 29.10.09 10:35:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Bulls are rubbish. :twisted:

  • Comment 74, posted at 29.10.09 10:40:02 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 73) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 29.10.09 10:51:40 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 73) : See Echard’s post at 53….Has anybody ever started a post to you with…’dear Rob…. :lol:

  • Comment 76, posted at 29.10.09 10:57:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 76) : and then kakked you out like that :shock:

  • Comment 77, posted at 29.10.09 10:59:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 76) :

    :mrgreen:

    I love how he starts off politely with the “Dear Rob” and then build up to an aggressive Climax!

    I can actually see him typing faster and faster and getting more agitated…and then swearing and insulting..and then end off with a “regards”.. :lol:

  • Comment 78, posted at 29.10.09 11:00:21 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 78) : I hope he comes back….would be fun to chat with him again

  • Comment 79, posted at 29.10.09 11:09:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 79) :

    Too True!! :lol:

    Dewald Potgieter and Pierre Spies are both skillfull players, but both lacking that hard edge. In short, the Bulls lack a real brute in their loose trio. They also appear to lack the smarts to compete effectively at the breakdown under the ELV’s.

    WRT Potgieter – I think that picture has changed somewhat now..

  • Comment 80, posted at 29.10.09 11:12:16 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • I still maintain the Bulls pack is overrated and we’ll see that against the Cheetahs this weekend

  • Comment 81, posted at 29.10.09 11:14:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • No, I fear that the Bulls are not going to be the force in 2009 that their ardent fans would like to believe they will be. Don’t be too surprised to see Frans Ludeke rack up yet another bottom 6 finish this year – as he has done every other time he’s coached a Super rugby franchise

    :shock: :shock: Whoopsie Daysie… :lol:

  • Comment 82, posted at 29.10.09 11:14:57 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 80) : Potigeter is more thug than brute :) He’s a little oke!

  • Comment 83, posted at 29.10.09 11:16:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) :

    I do believe tha Cheetahs might take the upper hand in that division , yes..

  • Comment 84, posted at 29.10.09 11:16:52 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 82) : ja ja – easy to be clever afterwards, ne? Where were all the clever comments at the time I wrote this? :)

  • Comment 85, posted at 29.10.09 11:18:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : they do not have a great frontrow say waht you like for the rest its pretty awesome :roll:

  • Comment 86, posted at 29.10.09 11:18:27 by Whindy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : I also think that the Cheetah’s forwards will dominate, but this article was written before the 2009 super 14…and how wrong we all were :???:

  • Comment 87, posted at 29.10.09 11:18:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) :

    Ohhhh – little misunderstanding on my side on the meaning of the word Brute… ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 88, posted at 29.10.09 11:19:28 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 78) : You have a wonderful way with words, “build up to an aggressive Climax!” :mrgreen:

  • Comment 89, posted at 29.10.09 11:20:26 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 87) : And even the Lions had beaten them YAY, sometimes its nice to live in the past :mrgreen:

  • Comment 90, posted at 29.10.09 11:22:11 by Whindy Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 16) : ok – so there was ONE oke who got it right, but that’s hardly surprising, given who he is :)

  • Comment 91, posted at 29.10.09 11:22:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • so yes – I got this one spectacularly wrong. Sorry to have pissed off all the Bulls fans (well, I’m not, actually) :)

  • Comment 92, posted at 29.10.09 11:25:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 79) : Agreed! Morning people! Late start for me this morning :)

  • Comment 93, posted at 29.10.09 11:26:43 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • I think that Os had a lot to do with the Cheetah’s scrum……let’s buy him :twisted:

  • Comment 94, posted at 29.10.09 11:27:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • one thing I did not get wrong, though, is that Rayno Gerber is a shit prop. I had hopes that Werner Kruger would turn out to be better, but he doesn’t seem to be much of an improvement.

    Really can’t believe the Bulls failed to shell out for the DuPs when they had them on a platter

  • Comment 95, posted at 29.10.09 11:29:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 89) :

    Glad you like it..All (good)drama’s works like that, and I AM the Drama(ice)Queen around this blog.. :mrgreen:

    @robdylan (Comment 91) :

    Thats why I always listens to what he says, even if it is out of the box!! :lol:

    @robdylan (Comment 92) :

    It is quite a lekker feeling, innit?? :grin:

  • Comment 96, posted at 29.10.09 11:30:14 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) : Who is he really….come-on Rob tell us ;-)

  • Comment 97, posted at 29.10.09 11:31:34 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 94) :

    i am a huge Os fan..

    @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 93) :

    Ola!!

  • Comment 98, posted at 29.10.09 11:32:17 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) : You do have to hand it to him, he was spot on, as usual. Well done Morne!! That was a great insight!! Rob I bet you never expected any more hits from this article, we must see if we can find any more past articles, we can crucify you for!! :grin:

  • Comment 99, posted at 29.10.09 11:35:02 by Whindy Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 96) : Not sure you can call Morne out of the Box he is far to informed and concise to be out of the box.

  • Comment 100, posted at 29.10.09 11:37:53 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 100) :

    Have you SEEN some of his articles??? :?: :lol:

  • Comment 101, posted at 29.10.09 11:41:49 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : Hey who side are you on?! :evil:

  • Comment 102, posted at 29.10.09 11:43:11 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 100) :

    It’s the “verstrooide professor” part of him – you know, when you are so genius that you say studpid things…I am obvioulsy talking out of experience here.. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 103, posted at 29.10.09 11:44:20 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 100) : concise. :shock:

  • Comment 104, posted at 29.10.09 11:47:22 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 99) : There was one last year when he felt that the Blue bulls would win the CC :grin: Rob please tell me you believe that the Sharks will miss out on the Semis this next season ;-)

  • Comment 105, posted at 29.10.09 11:50:27 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 101) : Long and ingewikkeld, always very informative,well researched with lots of fact and figures to back them up, not many radical Ideas though. Come on Morne give us an out of the box radical article that nobody has thought of before :mrgreen:

  • Comment 106, posted at 29.10.09 11:50:38 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 105) : Sorry it was a post, Rob thought the “blue Morons” would win the CC, I remember when I read this article when it first went out, and I thought Oh No! Hope he is right and not like the CC :???:

  • Comment 107, posted at 29.10.09 11:51:57 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 103) : Obviously, expierience is everything!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 108, posted at 29.10.09 11:52:22 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 105) : We must find it and nail him but remember to start with DEAR. @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 105) : are you reverting to reverse psychology now :lol:

  • Comment 109, posted at 29.10.09 11:55:17 by Whindy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) :

    just to show you that you CAN be right too sometimes :

    My thinking is that any such talk is pointless, because if the Sharks continue to play like they did against the Lions, they will not win a semifinal against any of the other contenders

    Althoug, ROB, this is NOT what we want you to be “Right / correct” in.. :twisted:

  • Comment 110, posted at 29.10.09 11:56:41 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 109) : Anything that will work for my emotionally weak team :cool: But honest In that post, it was at the begining of last year’s CC he said he was afraid he believed the blue Morons would win, then when this article came out at beginning of S14 I nearly had an apoplexy on the spot.

  • Comment 111, posted at 29.10.09 11:58:03 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 106) :

    i am gonna search for one …hang on!

  • Comment 112, posted at 29.10.09 11:58:36 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 111) : :grin:

  • Comment 113, posted at 29.10.09 12:01:53 by Whindy Reply
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  • oh dear…

  • Comment 114, posted at 29.10.09 12:02:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 114) : be afraid….be very afraid :twisted:

  • Comment 115, posted at 29.10.09 12:08:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 112) :

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2009/08/06/blessing-in-disguise/

    Whindy – go check this one out!

    @robdylan (Comment 114) :

    En nou??

  • Comment 116, posted at 29.10.09 12:09:05 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • Does anybody wnat to explain this eckard (Comment 53) : to me cos I’ve read it a couple of times and I still don’t get the point.

  • Comment 117, posted at 29.10.09 12:10:24 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 117) :

    In a nutshell – he thinks Rob’s journalism and ideas are crap and we are an undereducated audience…

  • Comment 118, posted at 29.10.09 12:14:46 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 117) : Blackshark that smile for the camera is simply stunning! :lol:

  • Comment 119, posted at 29.10.09 12:16:45 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 119) :

    Did you see that huge mofo of a shark that they used to dissect for some movie??

  • Comment 120, posted at 29.10.09 12:22:21 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 119) : Did you see that photo of the great Whit ein Mosselbay, doing the email rounds. Scary, just a pity they had to kill it!!

  • Comment 121, posted at 29.10.09 12:24:31 by Whindy Reply
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  • http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2009/02/03/sharks-score-a-great-home-run/#comment-100736

    Here’s one from TT that I kept just in case.

    See his note about the Reds game

  • Comment 122, posted at 29.10.09 12:24:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 120) : Snap!!

  • Comment 123, posted at 29.10.09 12:25:47 by Whindy Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 120) :@Whindy (Comment 121) : No! Ice could you send it to me! Its sad when they have to kill a Shark!

  • Comment 124, posted at 29.10.09 12:29:34 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 122) : Ouch :!:

  • Comment 125, posted at 29.10.09 12:31:34 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 121) : @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 124) :

    They dd nit kill it – it was found in the Shark nets – they tagged and released it, but found it dead the next day..

    @Whindy (Comment 121) :

    Did you see Morne’s out of the box article – I posted the link a bit up..

  • Comment 126, posted at 29.10.09 12:36:56 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 126) : Something must have been wrong with it then :(

  • Comment 127, posted at 29.10.09 12:55:46 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 126) : Maybe it chocked :oops:

  • Comment 128, posted at 29.10.09 12:56:22 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 128) : :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 129, posted at 29.10.09 13:15:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 128) : Typical Sharks behavior :mrgreen:

  • Comment 130, posted at 29.10.09 13:20:43 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 128) : @Pokkel (Comment 129) :

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 131, posted at 29.10.09 13:20:58 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • Missed the article when originally placed, but must say that Karma is a b..ts! ;-)

  • Comment 132, posted at 29.10.09 14:31:34 by diablo Reply

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  • @diablo (Comment 132) : Having fun???

  • Comment 133, posted at 29.10.09 14:35:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 132) :

    Biets?? Anyone called me??? :?: ;-)

  • Comment 134, posted at 29.10.09 14:52:38 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 134) : Weer lekker windgat ;-)

  • Comment 135, posted at 29.10.09 15:00:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Lassie is a bitch.

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 135) :

    Ek probeer my bes!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 137, posted at 29.10.09 15:13:50 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 132) : :evil: :evil: :evil: :cool:

  • Comment 138, posted at 29.10.09 15:23:47 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 134) : :grin:

  • Comment 139, posted at 29.10.09 15:25:01 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 130) : Typical indeed :evil:

  • Comment 140, posted at 29.10.09 15:40:22 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 62) : Hey Whindy we could definitely get together. Im at the moment living in a small town with no social life whatsoever but I do shoot through to the concrete jungle called Dubai about once a month I’m not sure if I’m allowed to supply an email address or mobile number on this forum but you can contact me on [email protected].

    I’m an Affies Oldboy myself and I suspected that Rob has a good knowledge about P-town. I actually agree with him about Rayno Gerber and the sub-standard of current Bulls front-rowers and of the recent past and for a brand used to the Mof Myburghs, Daan Duplessis, the list goes on and on, I find this quite puzzling. Maybe it is time for the Bulls to invest in a good specialist scrum coach.

    I must say i find the laid back humour on this sight quite to my liking, especially after nobody really slagged me after my over-the-top initial post.

    Regards Eckard

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  • Hey Eckard,
    welcome to the site mate!! :wink:

  • Comment 142, posted at 29.10.09 17:55:18 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 142) : Thanx I know there will be a lot of debates in the future

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  • @eckard (Comment 143) : hi eckard, welcome to the site, hope you enjoy it here, and im sure you will :smile:

  • Comment 144, posted at 29.10.09 18:33:03 by war1 Reply
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  • You Guys ready for the Under 21 Final at least this weekend? Sharks vs Cheetahs guys . . . lets hope Pat and the twins come through for us where Ruan Pienaar couldn`t . . .

  • Comment 145, posted at 29.10.09 19:55:32 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 145) : At least one rugby game to look forward to. Hope we hit them hard to make up for the loss against their Currie Cup team in the semi’s. :evil: :evil: :evil:

  • Comment 146, posted at 29.10.09 23:27:50 by mbayshark Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 145) : Might make me feel a little bit better. :???:

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  • @Whindy (Comment 121) : The 4,3 meter shark was found in the nets at Zinkwasi beach on the Natal coast, they tried to set it free but it died of exhaustion. It was then brought down here for research.

  • Comment 148, posted at 30.10.09 00:39:51 by mbayshark Reply
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  • Shame, can`t someone sabotage those @$@% nets?!

  • Comment 149, posted at 30.10.09 08:30:08 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @mbayshark (Comment 148) : Aahh, I just saw an email and it said Mosselbay, Big Mother, just sorry that an animal as huge and awesome as that has to die because humans need to be kept safe on beeches , but I will try not to get too philosophical, he could have munched me :lol:

  • Comment 150, posted at 30.10.09 08:42:04 by Whindy Reply
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  • @eckard (Comment 141) : Glad you’re back. I hope to hear lots more from you….I’m sure we will if the Bulls win tomorrow :roll:

  • Comment 151, posted at 30.10.09 08:45:04 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 151) : Thats a big IF :mrgreen:

  • Comment 152, posted at 30.10.09 08:54:52 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 152) : To tell you the truth I’m am nervous, the Cheetahs can never be underesitimated. It is currently raining in Pretoria and a wet surface always makes things very even. I have upset a lot of Cheetah supporters over the web last night by calling Brussouw a paper tiger but I have the highest respect for him!

  • Comment 153, posted at 30.10.09 09:23:01 by eckard Reply

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  • @eckard (Comment 153) : Nothing like a bit of spuring, I will give you a shout and we must get together!!

  • Comment 154, posted at 30.10.09 09:28:07 by Whindy Reply
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  • @eckard (Comment 153) :

    i get upset and I am one of the biggest Sharks supporters!! ;-) Brussouw for Sharks!! :lol:

    @Whindy (Comment 154) :

    More se!

  • Comment 155, posted at 30.10.09 09:37:14 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 155) : :twisted:

    read on iafrica only 4 players out of the match 22 were born and schooled in Free State. in bulls team respectively only 3.

    so i guess nobody can complain abouty sharks buying players.

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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 156) :

    Se-ri-as??? :shock:

  • Comment 157, posted at 30.10.09 09:56:34 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • I’m really torn about tomorrow’s match.

    On the one hand I would love for the Cheetah’s to win

    But on the udder hand, Darrel…I’m in reach of winning the FL comp, but in order to have a chance of winning I need the Bulls to win…

    So I’m completely neutral for the game

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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 156) : Ja they don’t go to school al lot in the Free State

  • Comment 159, posted at 30.10.09 09:59:59 by eckard Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 157) : yaa-aaa

    @eckard (Comment 159) : :razz:

  • Comment 160, posted at 30.10.09 10:06:38 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 158) :

    I cannot believe how many spots i dropped in the SB!! From 2nd to 8th or soemthing – all because of the WP and Sharks.. :evil:

    In order to win another and be runner up in my 3rd pool, I need the Bulls to win…but jinnetjie tog…you know my take on that too!! :lol:

  • Comment 161, posted at 30.10.09 10:07:27 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 161) : i actually advanced after last week (am 4th now) and also need bulls to win to keep the spot.

    but hey i never win or even come close in this things.

  • Comment 162, posted at 30.10.09 10:12:35 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • quiet here today.

    people already at golf courses :mrgreen:

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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 163) :

    I wish I was!! Butat least I have a business lunch at 1 and then I am off to Parys with a few of my chick friends!! :lol:

  • Comment 164, posted at 30.10.09 10:16:08 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • :cool:

    i have .. lemma see… work , work , ooo some more work :mrgreen:

  • Comment 165, posted at 30.10.09 10:21:34 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 156) : iafrica is skewing the stats because Fourie du Preez, Wynand Olivier, Derek Kuun, Gerhard van den Heever and Pierre Spies are Affies Old Boys. Further Victor Matfield comes from Polokwane which is part of the Blue Bulls union. Do you have to be born in Pretoria to be legit to play for the Bulls?

  • Comment 166, posted at 30.10.09 10:27:24 by eckard Reply

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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 156) : I thought there are 6 Affies (I think) old boys and 8 Grey old boys playing tomorrow. In the CC final that is.

  • Comment 167, posted at 30.10.09 10:28:22 by McLovin Reply

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  • @eckard (Comment 166) : my understanding is that what they were looking for was a pure bull or a pure cheetahs ie. born and schooled in the area, which would be a stringent criteria if ever actually applied.

  • Comment 168, posted at 30.10.09 10:34:18 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • Some ‘insight’ into the Bulls eating habbits. From die Burger.

    Pierre Spies eet die meeste en Bakkies Botha eet “wat ook al voor hom neergesit word”.

    So het Marlene Strydom, hoof van die Blou Bulle se spyseniering, gister oor die span se eetgewoontes gesê.

    Die Blou Bulle sal oudergewoonte môre omstreeks 14:00 in hul eetsaal op Loftus Versfeld, ofte wel die “Kraal”, vir ’n spesiale middagete vergader. Hulle pak die Cheetahs later, om 17:30, in die Curriebeker-eindstryd.

    “Die Bulle eet byna elke dag saam ontbyt en middagete in die Kraal, maar met ’n groot wedstryd probeer ons dit vir hulle ekstra spesiaal maak,” het Strydom gesê.
    Sy help al agt jaar lank om die Bulle se mae vol te hou.

    Sy het gesê hoewel die spyskaart vir Saterdag se middagete grootliks deur die spandokter voorgeskryf word, word daar tog aandag gegee aan van die Bulle se persoonlike voorkeure.

    “Bryan Habana en Fourie du Preez is mal oor botterskorsiesop as ’n voorgereg.”

    Van al die Bulle eet Pierre Spies glo die meeste. Victor

    Matfield hou weer baie van sy grondboontjiebotter-en-stroop-broodjies ná ete. Nog iemand met ’n suikertand is Derick Kuun. En Bakkies Botha het nie regtig enige spesiale voorkeure nie. “Bakkies eet wat ook al voor hom neergesit word.”

  • Comment 169, posted at 30.10.09 10:34:19 by McLovin Reply

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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 156) : The Sixth Affie is Jacques Louis Potgieter. There are 7 Grey Old Boys in the Cheetahs team, the eigth one is Deon Stegmann for the Bulls

  • Comment 170, posted at 30.10.09 10:39:48 by eckard Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 169) :

    I think I might give Spies a go for his money… :oops: same with Bakkies.. :oops:

    @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 168) :

    Ahhh Okay – but it still shows that they are not all “in murg en been”.. :twisted:

  • Comment 171, posted at 30.10.09 10:44:50 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 171) : We’ll have to organise a competition. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 172, posted at 30.10.09 10:56:11 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 172) :

    I am IN!! :lol:

  • Comment 173, posted at 30.10.09 11:04:20 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 164) :
    @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 165) :

    and i need to go to pretoria tomorrow :| truly not much to look forward to this weekend

  • Comment 174, posted at 30.10.09 11:05:26 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 172) : is it an eating competition :?:

  • Comment 175, posted at 30.10.09 11:06:06 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 175) : Yip. As soon as Bakkies and Spies agrees, it’s on. :wink:

  • Comment 176, posted at 30.10.09 11:09:39 by McLovin Reply

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  • man, but there’s only the square root of f*ck all going on out there today…

  • Comment 177, posted at 30.10.09 11:16:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 176) : if that’s the case put me on as well. i should do well provided no beatroot and celery :mrgreen:

  • Comment 178, posted at 30.10.09 11:21:06 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • Morning guys and girls. Almost weekend hey! :grin:

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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 178) : you’ll do well with the soup course :)

  • Comment 180, posted at 30.10.09 11:24:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • To change the subject – I want to bounce something of you guys. Don’t you think that rugbyplayers went from underpaid when it was still an amateur game to totally overpaid today? I have no problem for somebody to earn his wage, and I know that the average window for a rugby player in top class rugby is about 10 years, and I am aware of the threat of injuries etc etc, but the amount of money flying around these days reaches the astronomical!! I am all for paying smaller salaries to players, but reward them for achievements. The other way around is to pay them these extraorbitant amounts but penalise them for stuff-ups. It could be quite structured, a specified amount for every tackle, lineout-ball, catch or kick missed, for skew or wayward inputs to line-outs or scrums, games lost, knock-ons the full tooty.
    On the other end of the scale reward for turnovers, tackles, lineout steals, tries, games won, etc etc.

    That way we might get rid of a lot of the passengers in the game, and coaches might find it easier to motivate players.

  • Comment 181, posted at 30.10.09 11:27:58 by eckard Reply

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  • If there is Bloubul steak, then I will be there as well. :lol:

  • Comment 182, posted at 30.10.09 11:28:07 by mbayshark Reply
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  • @eckard (Comment 181) : to be honest i have no idea what players earn, so cannot really comment. where one get such info?

  • Comment 183, posted at 30.10.09 11:32:16 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @eckard (Comment 181) : minus points for missing the tackles. verusco (or whatever this stat people are called) would get an entire new line of business.

  • Comment 184, posted at 30.10.09 11:34:06 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 180) : neeeeee :lol:

  • Comment 185, posted at 30.10.09 11:35:12 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @eckard (Comment 181) : Sound like too much admin and too diffucult to police.

    I’d be grumpy if I got docked pay for a knock-on because a was on the receiving end of a dodgy pass.

  • Comment 186, posted at 30.10.09 11:41:00 by McLovin Reply

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  • @eckard (Comment 181) : I would start by paying football players less. Rugby players earn a pittance by comparison

  • Comment 187, posted at 30.10.09 11:42:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @eckard (Comment 181) : Problem is that most players will just go play abroad, don’t think that will work because a crap pass from a teammate might start costing you money. I think it will create too much tension.

  • Comment 188, posted at 30.10.09 11:43:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 186) : people playing outside of Rory Kockott would never run that risk :)

  • Comment 189, posted at 30.10.09 11:43:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 186) : in case of dodgy pass and resulting knock – on the deduction shall be apportioned between two players in equal shares :mrgreen:

    easy just few more rules – a bit of a field day for lawyers

  • Comment 190, posted at 30.10.09 11:43:45 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 187) : Even cricket players are aerning more now. If you look at what they are getting paid in the IPL. Its madness.

  • Comment 191, posted at 30.10.09 11:44:07 by mbayshark Reply
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  • aerning = earning :oops:

  • Comment 192, posted at 30.10.09 11:44:44 by mbayshark Reply
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  • The players also don’t earn that much imo. Especially non-international players.

  • Comment 193, posted at 30.10.09 11:45:55 by McLovin Reply

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  • Cheers all…enjoy your weekend…of to an early business lunch and I doubt I’ll be back at the office

  • Comment 194, posted at 30.10.09 11:46:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 190) : Still not fair. I’d sue for sure.

    Would be good for shit teams cause the players would have to pay to play. :twisted:

  • Comment 195, posted at 30.10.09 11:47:54 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 194) : Cheers pokkel have a nice one

  • Comment 196, posted at 30.10.09 11:49:50 by mbayshark Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 195) : sounds like a good way to get Skipper and Dries to give something back :)

  • Comment 197, posted at 30.10.09 11:50:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 194) : Not fair. My day in the office has barely started. :twisted:

    Enjoy! :smile:

  • Comment 198, posted at 30.10.09 11:51:08 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 197) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 199, posted at 30.10.09 11:52:10 by McLovin Reply

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  • @eckard (Comment 181) :

    The other way around is to pay them these extraorbitant amounts but penalise them for stuff-ups. This might be an idea…a yellow, you get penalised by RX, etc.

    You cannot give incentives so to speak for tries etc, as not everyone get equal opportunity to try scores (position wise) – you will have riots on your hands if you do that! Have to be equal and fair to all players.

    But in hindsight – no I do not believe they get paid too much – as you rightfully pointed out – the time to earn income is limited and unpredictable. I just feel that they need to be penalised harsly even by there own union for negative play.

    Oh shit, then Bakkies might have to ask the bank for an overdraft!! :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 200, posted at 30.10.09 11:53:29 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 198) : You actually have a job????? :shock: ;-) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 201, posted at 30.10.09 11:54:01 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 200) : Quite a few guys I can think about who would live in front of their bank manager’s office. :grin:

  • Comment 202, posted at 30.10.09 11:56:33 by mbayshark Reply
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  • to try scores = score tries :oops: :mrgreen:

    Sounds like more of a under the belt thing than what I meant! :lol: (Blue bull englsih off course) ;-)

  • Comment 203, posted at 30.10.09 11:56:33 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 189) : :mrgreen:

    @Pokkel (Comment 194) : have a good one.

    this food talk only makes me hungry :mrgreen:

  • Comment 204, posted at 30.10.09 11:57:24 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 201) : Yip. I’m very efficient. :wink: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 205, posted at 30.10.09 11:57:58 by McLovin Reply

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  • You can reserve me a seat at the table, somewhere between Rekineks roast pork, the roast lamb and the prawns will be OK.

  • Comment 206, posted at 30.10.09 12:19:33 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Eish peeps…its SOO quiet!!

  • Comment 207, posted at 30.10.09 12:41:06 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 207) : You can say that again, not much going on here.

  • Comment 208, posted at 30.10.09 12:42:39 by mbayshark Reply
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  • Lunchtime, cheers

  • Comment 209, posted at 30.10.09 12:43:00 by mbayshark Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 207) : Give us a topic. But with lots of kakpraat potential. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 210, posted at 30.10.09 12:45:19 by McLovin Reply

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  • Guys a guy on Keo stated that he heard from sources close to the Sharks that Brussow is definitely on his way to the Sharks, now someone has stated that it was actually announced on E-news yesterday! Rob any news?

  • Comment 211, posted at 30.10.09 13:00:37 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • So Ricky Januarie failed to show in court. Not clever.

    Neither did his lawyer. Our very own Frikkels. :roll:

  • Comment 212, posted at 30.10.09 13:39:48 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 211) : askies? Nah – not heard that… let me see what I can dig up

  • Comment 213, posted at 30.10.09 13:39:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • Reckon the AB’s are going to spank the dingos tomorrow.

  • Comment 214, posted at 30.10.09 13:40:37 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 213) : Rob the first person to bring it up is one whose friend is close to the Sharks, apparently he sais the deal is all done, apparently they met some 6 weeks ago or so … that was yesterday evening

    This afternoon another guy PEPE came on saying that he had heard it on ENews last night and whanted to confirm.

    If its true this will be the signing of the year!

  • Comment 215, posted at 30.10.09 13:56:18 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 214) : me 2.

    @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 211) : seems spurious, but onto my source

  • Comment 216, posted at 30.10.09 13:56:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 214) : Think so too!

  • Comment 217, posted at 30.10.09 13:56:46 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 215) : who was the first person? Do you know the name offhand?

  • Comment 218, posted at 30.10.09 13:59:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • 65. grant10 :
    October 29th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
    BREAKING NEWS

    HEINRICH BRUSSOW IS ALMOST CERTAINLY ON WAY TO JOIN SHARKS.

    Then on today’s thread preview of final this came up:

    117. Pepe :
    October 30th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
    I saw on the ENEWS channel last night that the Sharks had signed Heinrich Brussow and will buy out his contract. Has anybody heard anything about this?

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  • @robdylan (Comment 218) : See post above, I have pasted the comments they are on two different threads!

  • Comment 220, posted at 30.10.09 14:02:09 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Brussow to the Sharks would be huge. For the Sharks.

    Probably wouldn’t have got much game time at WP with Schalk there. :wink:

  • Comment 221, posted at 30.10.09 14:03:37 by McLovin Reply

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  • This is his answer to my question where he got the info from:

    #82 Sharksgirl: I have a mate who owns a corporate box at the tank….he knows a lot whats going on there…like Ruan saying 9 or he walks…etc….He calls me to chat about rugby and told me deal basically done…he has never been wrong yet…a real serious dude that only says when its a fait accompli….he told me they were in talks about 6 weeks ago…seems its done.

  • Comment 222, posted at 30.10.09 14:04:39 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 221) : But Saracens is after him aren’t they?

  • Comment 223, posted at 30.10.09 14:06:19 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 222) : you wanna ask him to drop me an email? :)

  • Comment 224, posted at 30.10.09 14:06:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • Schalch I mean. Oh boy this has been a long week :!:

  • Comment 225, posted at 30.10.09 14:06:54 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 224) : Rob I will do that, he has gone off for now, he stais in Clifton so in the avie goes to the beach as soon as he comes back I will definitely ask him to e-mail you but I don’t have your e-mail addy.

  • Comment 226, posted at 30.10.09 14:09:41 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Way way to the way way

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 223) : Now that Luke has left and he is soon to be annointed as captain, I can’t see him leaving.

  • Comment 228, posted at 30.10.09 14:12:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @BoetaC (Comment 227) : lekke lekke uiwe laatie ghantam naderskuiwe!

  • Comment 230, posted at 30.10.09 14:13:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 229) : Rob sorry I am having a real stupid day today :oops:

  • Comment 231, posted at 30.10.09 14:16:57 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 230) : What praat die ou?

  • Comment 232, posted at 30.10.09 14:18:31 by BoetaC Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 228) : Oh thats right I had forgotten that Schalch was the captain! Do you think he is going to be a good captain, it wasn’t so successful last year’s CC or was it S14?

  • Comment 233, posted at 30.10.09 14:19:57 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 233) : He’s going to be the best ever. :smile:

  • Comment 234, posted at 30.10.09 14:23:11 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 226) : sorry to burst your bubble, but it’s not happening. He’s got a contract with the Cheetahs valid until the end of the Super 14. I remember them announcing earlier this year that he’d signed a 1-year extension.

  • Comment 235, posted at 30.10.09 14:25:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @BoetaC (Comment 232) : stront, soes gewoonlik!

  • Comment 236, posted at 30.10.09 14:26:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 234) : Okai you may be right since he has grown his locks again he is back :) His tackle fon FDP was brilliant!

  • Comment 237, posted at 30.10.09 14:27:10 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 234) : $alute ja!Talkings about Schalk, im smaaking a cold Castle now.

  • Comment 238, posted at 30.10.09 14:28:27 by BoetaC Reply

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  • GO BOLAND!GO SWD!!!HOPAAAAAAA!

  • Comment 239, posted at 30.10.09 14:30:23 by BoetaC Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 235) : Damn I thought it was too good to be true, that is why I thought I would check here first!

  • Comment 240, posted at 30.10.09 14:31:21 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @BoetaC (Comment 238) : My first cold one is still hours away. Does no-one work in SA on a friday afternoon? :twisted:

  • Comment 241, posted at 30.10.09 14:32:17 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 240) : beware of people trying to look smart by spreading stories on Keo :)

  • Comment 242, posted at 30.10.09 14:33:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 242) : Yeah but why appear clever for one split second just to be named a fool for life :evil: And there I thought a crappy week had just turned good :???: Hehe should teach me though!

  • Comment 243, posted at 30.10.09 14:36:30 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 230) :

    What the hell?? :shock:

  • Comment 244, posted at 30.10.09 14:37:08 by wpw Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 241) : We at works ou bra, but we dont still worry.

  • Comment 245, posted at 30.10.09 14:37:36 by BoetaC Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 233) : this was probably before he bacame sought after :roll:

  • Comment 246, posted at 30.10.09 14:42:16 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 243) : don’t you like the old botes :mrgreen:

  • Comment 247, posted at 30.10.09 14:43:25 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 244) : it’s a line from an Afrikaans poem I vaguely remember from school. No clue what it means…

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  • :| @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 247) : I really do like Botes in the absence of Brussow, but between Brussow, Bissie and Deysel the oposing team will see NO ball :cool: Its Keegan I am not fond of

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 249) : Oh dear see what I mean! The first smiley is meant to be after keegan :roll:

  • Comment 250, posted at 30.10.09 14:57:00 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 243) : Right Sharks Lover sais that the Daily news has officially denied the rumours of Brussow coming to the Sharks, Van Zyl himself has denied them so there we have it.

  • Comment 251, posted at 30.10.09 15:00:26 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 250) : it’s friday – i do not think that human race was designed to use brain on fridays :mrgreen:

  • Comment 252, posted at 30.10.09 15:01:48 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 251) :

    Ah, Sharks Lover!! Now THAT oke knows his stuff!! :twisted:

  • Comment 253, posted at 30.10.09 15:07:03 by wpw Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 252) : Yeah my brain has definitely gone walk abouts today!

  • Comment 254, posted at 30.10.09 15:08:21 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 253) : :lol: :lol: I know, don’t know what to believe anymore, thought to by the Daily news on my way home, this time I hope no pray that this WP supporter that posted on keo is right. If a WP supporter being right is actually possible. ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 255, posted at 30.10.09 15:10:14 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 255) : I got it from my own source. It’s definitely not happening.

  • Comment 256, posted at 30.10.09 15:16:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 256) : Yeah I trusted you when you told me, was just pulling WPW’s leg. If you still whant to speak to Grant I’ll send you his email address he has given it to me.

  • Comment 257, posted at 30.10.09 15:18:57 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • would be interesting to know where the brussouw gossip originated – maybe somewhere from sharks management to get keegan and jaques working for a change :twisted:

  • Comment 258, posted at 30.10.09 15:19:49 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • guys have a good weekend :razz:

  • Comment 259, posted at 30.10.09 15:29:54 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 258) : :lol:

    @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 259) : Have a great Weekend! M

    May the best team win as long as its wearing White and Orange!

  • Comment 260, posted at 30.10.09 15:32:51 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • At home at last,just in time for some rugby. Waiting with a cold one. :lol: :lol: Ready for the Currie Cup Playoffs. Go SWD.

  • Comment 261, posted at 30.10.09 15:45:08 by mbayshark Reply
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