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Watson: Ref not to blame

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news on 5 Feb 2009 at 07:12
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Refereeing errors did not cost UCT victory in Monday’s Varsity Cup match against Maties.

Stephen Nell writes in Die Burger that was the response from South African rugby’s referees boss, Andre Watson, after he was quizzed about the complaint UCT coach John Dobson lodged about referee Francois Veldsman’s performance.

Dobson was enraged after his side lost 10-12 and believes Veldsman disadvantaged them badly at the breakdowns in the second half.

He sent Watson an e-mail after studying a video of the game three times. “I was not happy with certain decisions at the breakdown, but it went both ways. The referee did not cost UCT the game,” said Watson.

Indeed. Dobson should probably lay the blame for that at the feet of flyhalf Matthew Rosslee, who missed five penalty shots at goal.

Watson had not yet finished studying the game when he was interviewed on Wednesday. He said he would answer Dobson as soon as that was the case.

He agrees with Dobson on certain points, but disagrees on others. Watson, however, said it would serve no purpose to expand on where Veldsman made mistakes.

“Even in games where Jonathan Kaplan is the referee you have mistakes at the breakdown,” he said.


  • Five missed kicks? :shock:

    But then again I didn’t see any of them and they could have all been from 50m out on the touchline.

  • Comment 1, posted at 05.02.09 10:46:58 by McLovin Reply
    McLovinAssistant coach
  • “I was not happy with certain decisions at the breakdown, but it went both ways. – Did Maties also complain? :wink:

  • Comment 2, posted at 05.02.09 10:47:26 by McLovin Reply
    McLovinAssistant coach
  • Dobson sound like a sore loser and they showed him on the sideline whinging about some desitions.

    I was sitting next to the ref in church last sunday, good bloke. :cool:

    Dobson: Only moan about the ref if your team is winning. :idea:

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.02.09 09:46:13 by PaarlBok Reply
    PaarlBokCurrie Cup player
  • Watson the greatest defender of referees , they never are wrong as was ref who did not mess up the super 14 final in 2007 costing the Sharks the trophy , untouchable and above any form of criticism —** portion of text removed for content – Admin **

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.02.09 13:29:40 by sharks 30 Reply
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  • @sharks 30 (Comment 4) : Broer you living in a dreamworld. i saw many times when he qouted refs making the wrong desitions. You should watch Boots & All. :shock:

    Maybe you talking about Paddy OBrien here.

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.02.09 15:22:24 by PaarlBok Reply
    PaarlBokCurrie Cup player
  • @PaarlBok (Comment 5) :
    Only when he get,s cornered on Boots and All and replays are shown to him , in the press when no one can show him the error of his ways he sings an totally different tune , he also was definately never an great ref himself extremely biased when blowing local derby’s and never in favour of the Sharks , and please dont tell me how many finals he blew Steve Walsh also blew the final in 2007 and i mean he litteraly blew it :sad: makes no difference .

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.02.09 16:36:47 by sharks 30 Reply
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  • Oh well that maube your opinion but I promise you the most Kiwis & Aussies do rate Andre watson as the best in his time.

    Myself believe Watson play one huge role in the standard of our refs , who I think stand head and shoulder above the rest at the moment.

    At least he look like a person who dont stand back to try new things when it come to reffing and that alone one huge plus.

    Trust me I dont shy away to have a go at refs but like in my qoute in3rd, thats the one you have to keep in mind and Dobson sure needs to watch his mouth. Leave a bad taste when a coach have a go at a ref on national TV and specially in a grey area called breakdowns.

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.02.09 16:49:57 by PaarlBok Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 7) :

    Amen to that. Watson is one of the best refs in the world EVER.

    And he has a HUGE lot to do with our refs being of the quality that they are.

    And we are the country with the best refs by FAAAAAAAR and also with the MOST refs up there among the best.

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.02.09 17:00:50 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @PaarlBok (Comment 7) :
    I agree with you on the Dobson point , i never saw the match and cant comment on the ref i am talking in general and also agree we have the best ref’s in the world , but they are never held accountable if they err why not ? Why no independant forum where they can be banned or fined are they that meticulous in the handling of matches ? Methinks not .
    In Jonathan Kaplan and Mark Lawrence we have two great ref’s Marius Jonker has an itchy whistle lip , this thing where ref’s can blow their own countrymen is going to come back and haunt us mark my words today as the ref’s know they are not accountable to anyone and are totally above critiscism ( Muir/Jones incidents the ref’s were clearly in the wrong )besides an review board off their own buddy’s who would never dare criticise them in public .

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.02.09 17:49:22 by sharks 30 Reply
    Under 19 player
  • @McLovin (Comment 1) : one shot in front of goal went wide.other tough ones werent even on target.

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.02.09 17:52:53 by PJLD Reply
    Clayton(PJLD)Team captain
  • I had a talk yesterday with this ref Veldsman and he sure have every reason to feel bitter about this whole bloody unecesary incident. I gave him a high 5 and told him to just piss off this kind of critics. He will blow again in round 3 and is pencilled for the TuT vs Tuks game.

    @sharks 30 (Comment 9) :
    I dont have the detail but the S14 where we have a ref ranking sure will help in this regard. I am also sure I saw or read something in the past that Watson for one wanted to get that ref crictics one going.

    Sorry Boet you are at the wrong adress here, I am sure our lot will go well and Watson for one not to shy away from critics.

    Hope you watch a bit of 6 Nations 0ver the weekend. One huge differense between Mark Lawrence in the Pom test vs Michael Owens in the Ireland vs France one.

    Mark Lawrense do make mistakes but then every bloody ref do, I am always looking at the way the ref communicate with the players. Thats where you rate them and most of the refs act like teachers to school kids at the top level. Thats the diffs between a good and a shite ref.

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.02.09 09:32:56 by PaarlBok Reply

    PaarlBokCurrie Cup player
  • @PJLD (Comment 10) :
    Just read my post again i do not want to explain it i said ” IN JONATHAN KAPLAN AND MARK LAWRENCE WE HAVE TWO GREAT REFS ” IT SHOULD BE QUITE CLEAR THAT I AM HAPPY WITH OUR REF’S I SAID SO AND I AM ONLY REFERING TO THE SUPER 14 , i am worried about the James Lekkie’s , Steve Walshes and Matt Goddard’s of the competition.
    Thank God Shaun Veldsman is only blowing Varsity’s or whatever just keep him away from the Super 14 there you can high 5 all you like , some of his TMO decisions in the last season have been extremely dubious to say the least and what about the Sharks / Bulls match which lasted something like an 105 minutes , because he was unwilling to make up his mind ?
    Anyhow i am tired of the ref debate i wholeheartedly agree with anything you say , after the Stormers game when the Sharks have given them carrots, dont blame the ref pleeeeeease :wink:

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.02.09 13:56:18 by sharks 30 Reply

    Under 19 player
  • @sharks 30 (Comment 12) :

    You have the wrong ref.

    Shaun Veldsman is a TMO and has retired from refereeing 1st class games.

    Francois veldsman is an up and coming ref whom i believe has not even reffed Currie cup yet.

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.02.09 14:02:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 13) :
    My apologies , but i did refer to some of Veldsman’s TMO decisions and i am still sure Shaun Veldsman blew the match last year between the Sharks and the Bulls correct me if i am wrong , the 105 min one :lol:

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.02.09 14:29:03 by sharks 30 Reply

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  • @sharks 30 (Comment 14) : wasn’t that JC Fortuin? Man – that was terrible.

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.02.09 14:54:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 3) :
    Rom, rom, rom knowing what a great Maties supporter you are, some people (Dobson) might think you have too much influence over the ref. :grin:

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.02.09 15:25:31 by Salmonoid Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :
    You absolutely right my mistake , ja it was bad but i think the whole TMO thing on field is not an great idea :wink:

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.02.09 16:36:24 by sharks 30 Reply

    Under 19 player
  • @sharks 30 (Comment 17) : well… it depends, I guess. JC showed in the following match that it can be a good system, provided the ref only uses it when he is genuinely unsure and has the balls to back his own judgement the rest of the time.

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.02.09 16:39:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) :
    i cant agree more .

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.02.09 17:06:03 by sharks 30 Reply

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  • @sharks 30 (Comment 19) : oh, btw… in the above post, I meant Jonathan Caplan, not Jerome Fortuin :)

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.02.09 17:28:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :

    No balls whatsoever in that match. I actually think that was one of the few occasions where Watson publicly said the ref had goit it wrong

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.02.09 17:31:16 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @robdylan (Comment 20) :
    But as you say Kaplan and Lawrence have the Balls to back their own decisions so does Paul Honis , Marius Jonker and Steve Walsh think they do and the rest dont have Balls ie Lekkie , Goddard and Dickinson :twisted:
    Is there anyone i have left out my rugby general knowledge has gone for a loop with this long interval , dont even know if Honis is still there this season but i like/d him . But within an week i will be on song again :oops:

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.02.09 18:10:16 by sharks 30 Reply

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