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Sharks want it brutal but legal


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Sharks, Stormers, Super 14 on 10 Feb 2009 at 13:01
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You have got to love John Plumtree for the way he cuts through the hot air and gets to the point.

When the Sharks coach was asked by the media yesterday about which tactics and counter-tactics will prevail at Newlands on Saturday, he said: “If one team technically or tactically dominates enough to win the game I would be surprised – it is going to be won by sheer brute force. You have two big South African teams having a mighty crack at each other. This is one of those physical battles that the Kiwi and Aussie teams watch with interest …”

As in they are pleased they are watching not playing.

“Playing at a sold-out Newlands against a home team desperate to chalk up a home win in the first round is just about as tough as it gets,” Plumtree said.

“But it is the kind of occasion that excites players and our guys are really looking forward to it.”

There is huge pressure on the Stormers to avoid last year’s horror start when they lost their first three games while the Sharks, because it is an away game for them, might feel less inhibited in their approach.

Plumtree partly agrees.

“There is certainly pressure on the Stormers, just as there is on any team playing at home,” the coach said.

“In this competition you have to win your home games if you have any intention of doing well.”
There has been much said about the superior scrumming reputation of the Sharks and Plumtree does not deny that this an area where his team hopes to get an advantage.

“The guys take pride in the way they scrum. Mark (Lawrence, the referee) has a big job in judging the scrum because we want a legal contest. There are always ways of upsetting a dominant scrum, such as collapsing and angling in. We want a straight contest.”

But in what could be a scrumming blow for the Sharks, Springbok prop Beast Mtawarira has not yet recovered from a sternum injury and could well be replaced by Deon Carstens.

Mike Greenaway – Cape Times



99 Comments

  • Don’t we all. :smile:

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.02.09 13:04:43 by McLovin Reply
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  • I can’t wait for this game!!!

    It’s gonna be AWESOME!!! :cool:

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.02.09 13:08:34 by wpw Reply
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  • I like this bit

    This is one of those physical battles that the Kiwi and Aussie teams watch with interest …”

    As in they are pleased they are watching not playing.

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.02.09 13:10:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The guys take pride in the way they scrum. Mark (Lawrence, the referee) has a big job in judging the scrum because we want a legal contest. There are always ways of upsetting a dominant scrum, such as collapsing and angling in. We want a straight contest

    They may not be able to meet and discuss things with the ref before the game but there certainly are ways of getting the message out there for him to see.

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.02.09 13:23:09 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) : A ‘straight’ contest? Cape Town might not be the best place then… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.02.09 13:24:52 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 5) :

    :lol:

    I missed that. Plumtree took a swipe at the Stormers on TWO fronts with one sentence. :lol:

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.02.09 13:28:11 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :

    This from a team who had the most illegal scrummager in BJ Botha?

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.02.09 13:30:29 by MorneN Reply
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  • I thought scrums does not concern Plumtree as per his comments after the Sarries game?

    First signs of a rookie coach feeling the pressure I reckon!

    Oh and Plum, for the record, the day when the Stormers only got pinned once at the scrum against Sarries, the ref was…

    You guessed it…

    Mark ‘the all seeying eye’ Lawrence

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.02.09 13:32:29 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 7) :
    :smile:
    Dude NOW you are arguing like a women, they get historical instead of hysterical. :lol:

    We didn’t complain about any illegal scrumming when BJ was playing for us, so I don’t expect Rassie will be doing any complaining at the moment. :wink:

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.02.09 13:37:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 8) :

    Precisely why Plumtree is pointing this out to Lawrence.

    This ain’t a rookie coach feeling the pressure. This is a seasoned campaigner making the opposition aware that the ref will be looking and making the ref aware that his scrum calls will be scrutinised in the press after the match.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.02.09 13:39:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) :

    Nah dude, pot, kettle, black springs to mind not arguing like a woman!

    Plum having had BJ would know all about how to disrupt scrums, so why even mention it? Just prepare your team well enough to handle it.

    Yet another case why you guys made a mistake by not selecting John as captain!

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.02.09 13:40:36 by MorneN Reply
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  • if Greenaway reckons Beast is doubtful, then Beast is doubtful. He is a trusted leak…

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.02.09 13:40:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • Sounds Like Plumtree spent his Summer at the Eddie Jones School of how to whine :lol:

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.02.09 13:41:12 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 10) :

    He does not need to point it out to Lawrence, he has seen it first hand where Plum’s men still need to come up against them!

    Go change your panty Plummo!

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.02.09 13:41:44 by MorneN Reply
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  • Are we there yet? :neutral:

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.02.09 13:45:16 by McLovin Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 3) :

    Yup they moer each other stukkend losing a few to injury…

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.02.09 13:46:28 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 16) :

    Here’s hoping Plum has them playing smart rugby too…

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.02.09 13:47:20 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • “There are always ways of upsetting a dominant scrum, such as collapsing and angling in. We want a straight contest”

    More arrogance. :twisted:

    Seems like it trickling from the fans to the coach :lol:

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.02.09 13:47:32 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Thems be fighting words!

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.02.09 13:47:42 by PJLD Reply
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  • I see the Stormers wind up squad, galvanised by their head cheerleader, Gavin Rich, is out in full cry today :)

    You guys found a front row yet?

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.02.09 13:48:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Didn’t you read the article apparently we going to cheat for 80 minutes :lol:

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.02.09 13:52:14 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) :

    Speaking of which, won’t you be so kind as to bring the CC with you the weekend so it can take its rightful place at Newlands once you face a full strength side from the Cape for a change…

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.02.09 13:52:49 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 8) :

    Which comments were those again? :???:

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.02.09 13:57:03 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Nah we will beat you without one.

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.02.09 13:57:22 by PJLD Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 23) :

    The JJ Harmse of WP Rugby.

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.02.09 13:58:28 by MorneN Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.02.09 13:58:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The Sharks don’t need to worry about the Stormers “props” scrumming sideways. They’ll only be moving in one direction on Saturday… backwards! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.02.09 14:02:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • I must say,this heading is kinda suspect :!: :roll:

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.02.09 14:04:42 by PJLD Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 22) : nah – to hold the Currie Cup you need to prove that your B-team can beat Griquas

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.02.09 14:05:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 28) : That was my first thought. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.02.09 14:05:53 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) :

    Ill take your word for it, since the Sharks should know all about all things “B” – you know divisions etc…

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.02.09 14:07:23 by MorneN Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 21) :

    Nah I think you will play straight rugby for 15min until your props can’t take the heat anymore then they will try scrumming in.

    At half time Rassie will tune them “nog net 10 minute in die tweede helfte, dan bring ek die flanke op” to which Luke will reply. “Shaddup dutchman!”

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.02.09 14:07:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Why would Plum be making comments about the scrum after the Stormers vs Sarries game? Maybe Plum is losing it. :wink:

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.02.09 14:08:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 28) :

    @McLovin (Comment 30) :

    And which team do you guys support???

    Need I say more? :razz:

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.02.09 14:09:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 32) : Of course the only time we will be scrumming is when your back have coughed the ball up again.

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.02.09 14:15:25 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 35) : :lol:

    OUCH!!!!

    And I am looking forward to seeing what excuse we use this year, coz the Dbn humidity excuse won’t work so well in CT. :wink:

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.02.09 14:17:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : And Valke… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.02.09 14:18:25 by blackshark Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 22) :

    We actually need to inspect the trophy.

    We wouldn’t want them replacing certain teams names on the cup. :twisted:

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.02.09 14:18:58 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 32) : dude – the Stormers will be starting with their flanks in the front row

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.02.09 14:19:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • HOI JA SHAAAAAAAAARRRKSSSSSS !!! :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.02.09 14:19:56 by Charlie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : BTW, Roly Poly, ga jy uitstiek by Nuweland… :twisted:

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.02.09 14:21:41 by Charlie Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 36) : Just keeping it real :lol:

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.02.09 14:22:39 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : pick your battles… you are meant to fighting on behalf of the Stormers, not the useless cheetahs. Do you actually have a strategy?

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.02.09 14:24:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 22) :

    Full strength?!?

    Where did you get Props from so suddenly? :razz:

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.02.09 14:25:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I wonder if its going to be one of those games when the Sharks make sure they pass the ball 5 meters forward to ensure that the ref cannot miss the forward pass and award a scrum…. to the opposition.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.02.09 14:25:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 41) : Roly Poly!

    I’m going to go edit Wes’s profile… :)

    * Abuse of power noted :lol:

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.02.09 14:25:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 35) :

    A new record for “uncontested scrums” will be set this Saturday… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.02.09 14:26:30 by blackshark Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 44) : Stormers are actually planning a shock switch to rugby league, since they already have flankers in the front row….

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.02.09 14:26:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) : it will serve the added purpose of making Luke Watson redundant :)

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.02.09 14:27:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 47) : The only uncontested thing will be Muller saying they have no excuses after the 80 minutes are up

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.02.09 14:29:13 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 45) :

    :lol:

    @robdylan (Comment 46) :

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    @robdylan (Comment 48) :

    :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.02.09 14:29:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) :

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhh NOW it all becomes clear. If Luke fullfills 3 roles in the squad his chances of being sent to EP are so much smaller.

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.02.09 14:33:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : and re-noted :)

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.02.09 14:38:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • Everybody must be nervous…..it’s getting feisty here….Now,now guys play nice. :roll:

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.02.09 14:42:26 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) : Worth losing for.

    @robdylan (Comment 53) : :grin: :twisted:

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.02.09 14:43:10 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • If it wasn’t for the liberal use of smileys things might get nasty…..ban all smileys I say

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.02.09 14:43:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Rob

    Don’t you EVER make fun of me again!!! :evil:

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.02.09 14:43:43 by Roly Poly Reply
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  • @Roly Poly (Comment 57) : playing dirty?…

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.02.09 14:44:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) : :?: :roll:

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.02.09 14:45:22 by Roly Poly Reply
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  • I think this game is gonna be a cracker….and I for one am not betting on either side for the last man standing competition this weekend.

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.02.09 14:45:54 by Pokkel Reply
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  • The ‘new’ rugbyzone site has finally launched. :cool: Was getting a bit close for comfort.

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.02.09 14:46:33 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 56) : we’re all friends here… and I hope we can be grownup about this

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.02.09 14:47:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Roly Poly (Comment 57) :

    Roly Poly Bwhahahahahahhahahaa

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.02.09 14:47:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 61) : rugbyzone?

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.02.09 14:47:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 64) : mediazone

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.02.09 14:48:48 by McLovin Reply

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  • **** attention all users ****

    I would like to point out that wpw himself was responsible for changing his name to Roly Poly. None of the administrators of this site would ever even consider abusing our power in that way

    ***********

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.02.09 14:49:04 by robdylan wishes he was a Bulls supporter Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) : Rich coming from you.

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.02.09 14:50:12 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : Why do i not believe you

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.02.09 14:51:59 by PJLD Reply
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  • @robdylan wishes he was a Bulls supporter (Comment 66) : :D

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.02.09 14:53:01 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) :

    Well i would consider it, but then again I would also like to continue posting on the site, So I wouldn’t dare go through with it. :smile:

    Man i ain’t even brave enough to change my OWN name.

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.02.09 14:53:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 70) : See above :oops:

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.02.09 14:54:39 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • What’s the news surrounding Peter Grant? Is he gonna play? Or is Rassie hiding something?

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.02.09 14:59:04 by Villie Reply
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  • @PJLD (Comment 68) : ‘Cause you’re a Stormer supporter :wink:

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.02.09 14:59:57 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 71) :

    I see that.

    I am going home NOW. I don’t wanna be around for this. :oops:

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.02.09 15:00:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 73) : I can’t believe anyone actually supports the Stormers! :wink:

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.02.09 15:05:29 by Villie Reply
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  • I know there are Sharks supporter,too many Stormers supporters , some Lions supporters that regularly comment. Any Cheetah’s and Bulls supporters that contribute?

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.02.09 15:07:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 75) : Amazing isn’t it :roll: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.02.09 15:10:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I think somebody needs to send me an email very quickly, or the whole class is going to have to stay behind

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.02.09 15:12:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • if beast is injured, are we only gonna have one prop on the bench?????

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.02.09 15:13:02 by willa Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : So how was your stint with the Bulls Suppoters club :mrgreen:

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.02.09 15:14:39 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : He he he

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.02.09 15:15:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @willa (Comment 79) : At least we have one, the Stormers don’t :roll:

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.02.09 15:15:48 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 80) : they say ignorance is bliss, don’t they? :)

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.02.09 15:16:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @willa (Comment 79) : we might be in a spot of bother. I’d be tempted to start with John at 3 and Jannie at 1. Deon just adds so much impetus coming off the bench that I’d like to keep him there.

    If Beast is out, it means we’re going to have Badenhorst in 16 and Smit playing prop for 80…

  • Comment 84, posted at 10.02.09 15:17:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 82) : Schalk Ferreira! :)

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.02.09 15:19:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 84) : What is actually Beasts injury – any idea? Getting him right is NB – want to see him smash the Lions

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  • :???: :?:

  • Comment 87, posted at 10.02.09 15:26:27 by Roly Poly Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 86) :
    Sternum is tender, I think.

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.02.09 15:29:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • it’s actually an amazing testament to how far Beast has come along as a scrummager that people now view Deon Carstens as a weaker option!

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.02.09 15:33:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : Indeed. He was a revelation last year…

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.02.09 15:41:52 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 84) :

    I don’t see anything wrong with that actually. Smit at 1 for 80 would give a good indication of fitness and his overall ability IMO.

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.02.09 15:58:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 86) :

    From the last line of the article. But in what could be a scrumming blow for the Sharks, Springbok prop Beast Mtawarira has not yet recovered from a sternum injury and could well be replaced by Deon Carstens

    I wonder how long ago it was hurt.

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.02.09 16:00:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) : Who’s this :?:

  • Comment 93, posted at 10.02.09 16:02:56 by Charlie Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 91) : at 1? You mean 3?

  • Comment 94, posted at 10.02.09 16:15:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) :

    I told you I share a lot of traits with Hmmm. :lol:

  • Comment 95, posted at 10.02.09 16:25:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 95) : like not knowing yer arse from yer elbow? :)

  • Comment 96, posted at 10.02.09 16:33:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 96) : I thought that was Gvin Rich or those clowns on SA rugby :lol:

  • Comment 97, posted at 10.02.09 16:36:34 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 96) :

    That as well.

    But only when i am multi-tasking :razz: :razz:

    @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 97) :
    You mean I could apply for a job??????

  • Comment 98, posted at 10.02.09 16:42:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 98) : I don’t think you want to work for either of them.

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