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Now Rassie chirps Plumtree


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Sharks, Stormers, Super 14 on 12 Feb 2009 at 06:25
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Stormers coach Rassie Erasmus has turned the tables on Sharks boss John Plumtree in the war of words ahead of Saturday’s Super14 clash at Newlands.

Stephen Nell writes in Die Burger that Plumtree subtly alerted referee Mark Lawrence that the Stormers may scrum illegally during the match.

“Mark Lawrence has a big job refereeing the scrum,” Plumtree was quoted as saying on the Sharks’ official website.

“We want a legal contest because there are ways of upsetting a dominant scrum – by a lot of collapsing or angling in, so we just want a straight contest at the scrum and it is an area they will know we will look at targeting – it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to work that out – but that contest has to be very well-refereed to be a factor for us.”

Those comments went down like a lead balloon in Cape Town and it was clear at Wednesday’s press conference that Erasmus had taken exception.

“If my props were Deon Carstens and Jannie du Plessis, and both had not played since November, Beast Mtawarira is injured and John Smit is the only prop that could play in the warm-up games, I would also focus on the opposition scrum,” said Erasmus.

“It’s clever tactics, but I’m not sure it will work with Mark there.”

The Sharks will be the favourites after winning the Currie Cup last year, but Erasmus does not believe that will necessarily be a factor in their favour.

“You can slip into a hole after winning the Currie Cup because it feels as if you’ve done everything,” he said.

“I learned the hard way that it’s two very different things to win the Currie Cup and achieve success in the Super 14.

“The one (Currie Cup) is a mechanical thing where you may get a few weeks’ rest because you’re playing against weaker teams.

“That is why we place so much emphasis on conditioning. The negative part of not playing in the semi-finals of the Currie Cup is that people are angry with you. The positive is that you have an additional three weeks for conditioning. Hopefully that can count in our favour.”



45 Comments

  • And JUST so we are clear, This is not my headline. it is the original headline by Stephen Nell from the CT region. :razz:

    Oh and BTW. 20K. :cool:

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.02.09 06:27:15 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Wow!

    Just noticed there are 3 ‘Sharksworld’ birthdays today…

    Happy B/Day Batman011, Loosehead and sharkiegirl!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.02.09 07:47:46 by wpw Reply
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  • Well said Rassie!!!

    Maybe if Plumtree selected his strongest front row he would not be worried!

    And yes that includes Smit at hooker and captain.

    But again thanks Plum, appreciated mate!

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.02.09 07:57:02 by MorneN Reply
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  • First rassie calls last year’s S14 a success??????????

    Now he tries to not making the CC Play-offs sound like a good thing.

    Next thing we will hear from him when he doesn’t make the play-offs is “We are resting our players to try and at least make the CC play-offs for a change”

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.02.09 08:13:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • “It’s clever tactics, but I’m not sure it will work with Mark there.”

    Moet net nie huil waneer ons julle in die skrums bliksem nie. :wink:

    En moenie kla waneer die skeidregter julle straf nie.

    En moet ASSEBLIEF nie volgende week verskonings maak vir julle “uncontested scrums” moes gebruik nie.

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.02.09 08:16:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :
    :lol: Conditioning for NEXT YEAR’S CC…

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.02.09 08:17:24 by blackshark Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 3) :

    1. Smit will play TH / hooker…whenever it suits THE SHARKS!
    2. Muller is THE SHARKS’ captain.
    3. You will gain no advantage whatsoever from point 1 and 2, as you will realise on Saturday, so you don’t have to thank Plum for anything.

    SHAAAAAAAAARRRRRKKKKSSSSS!!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.02.09 08:22:08 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 7) :

    I will wait for you to vilify him then when he starts losing with his daft selections.

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.02.09 08:25:26 by MorneN Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :

    Sort of a “We are in a rebuilding phase” speech.

    “The last time we made the finals of any senior competition was in 2001 and we have decided to go back to our roots and start with baby steps. We will concentrate on trying to first make the Semi-Finals of the CC in 2010 and then by the time we make the finals in 2011 they will hopefully allow us to play flankers as front rows from the start of the match.

    We are just taking it one step at a time and will only think of the Super series after that year”

    :wink: :razz:

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.02.09 08:26:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :

    So our players didn;t get an extra 3 weeks due to us missing out on the CC play offs??

    The guy is just stating the facts!!! :roll:

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.02.09 08:27:17 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 5) :

    We won;t be complaining about those things cos at the end of the day we would have won the match!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.02.09 08:28:11 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 5) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) :

    a) Rassie is not the CC coach
    b) Plum is the first coach to moan about scrums implicating refs
    c) They came out saying that they want to win this thing – no re-building talk

    And for the life of me I cannot believe how the Sharks, who basically are the Cheetahs playing in grey, think that by winning the CC makes them title contenders for the Super 14.

    The very same Cheetahs (Sharks) won the CC a couple of years and were never contenders for the S14.

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.02.09 08:32:17 by MorneN Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 10) :

    But he doesn’t mention the fact that WP were tipped as “winning the CC” in 2008. :wink: and therefore the season was a failure. :wink:

    Same like our Last Man Standing and Fantasy League competitions, “to win it, you gotta be in it” :razz:

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.02.09 08:32:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 12) :

    a). Rassie was the CC coach in all but name. How do you explain the Brits at 8 selections etc.

    b). Rassie is trying his best to deflect any accusations about his weak scrum having to resort to illegal tactics. First he resorted to recycling props during matches to keep his scrum competitive, then he resorted to uncontested scrums. What will be next?

    c). Yes that is what they WERE saying, but I am surmising what he will say later. :smile:

    How many OFS born players in our team? Not as many as you’d think?

    The “Sharks steal Cheetahs” accusation holds no water in today’s day and age. :wink:

    As soon as the REALL CC was back after a 3 year break (i.e. Boks were allowed to play ) the Cheetahs fell by the wayside.

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.02.09 08:41:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 14) :

    a) Another baseless opinion by a Sharks supporter. Allister Coetzee is the CC coach, you want to check out WP rugby’s website? Rassie is the DOR…

    b) He is not deflecting anything, he is stating the obvious – two of the Stormers front rows are capped Boks… It is coaches like Plum deflecting his own weaknesses and concerns with an undercooked team. Whatever Rassie did is within the laws of the game, you should know what they are, you are a ref yourself.

    And it holds as much water as the excuses and accusation surfacing from the Sharks camp…

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.02.09 08:45:18 by MorneN Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 13) :

    WP tipped to win the CC???

    Where did that come from? and please don’t tell me the media in CT.

    We all know Granger, Rich and Ashfak are not journos. :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.02.09 08:45:35 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 16) :

    But these are the same journos publishing Rassies current comments? :wink:

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.02.09 08:49:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Okay time for kette to go and get a new PC for the new season :wink:

    Don’t abuse me while i’m gone. :smile:

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.02.09 08:50:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The conversations are getting more and more feisty as we get closer to Saturday. Next week is gonna be a bloodbath for some supporters

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.02.09 09:07:54 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 17) :

    Stephen Nell is actually quite good.

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.02.09 09:15:34 by wpw Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 12) : And for the life of me I cannot believe how the Sharks, who basically are the Cheetahs playing in grey, think that by winning the CC makes them title contenders for the Super 14.

    1. The CC is just a bonus … we believe we are contenders because we made the finals in 2007 and semifinals in 2008…

    2. It’s not only the Sharks supporters who believe we are contenders but anyone who can put down their WP glasses for a second and look at the facts…

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 18) :

    Did you get my email?

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.02.09 09:24:45 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 19) :

    I hope you include yourself in “some supporters”… :razz:

    We fight together…we win together…we die together…Sharks forever! :mad:

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.02.09 09:27:59 by blackshark Reply

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  • Guys, lets tone it down a bit!!!

    The ‘friendly’ banter is getting a bit out of hand imho. :???:

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.02.09 09:30:28 by wpw Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 21) :

    Facts?

    in 2007 half of the NZ players were out – their top players.
    in 2008, the Sharks sneaked into the semi’s and got klapped badly by the tahs

    Yes they were the best SA had in 2008, but even that FACTUALLY does not make you contenders by a long shot especially given a new coach you have this year.

    @Pokkel (Comment 19) :

    All in good spirit – what would rugby be without it?

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.02.09 09:35:05 by MorneN Reply
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  • I think Plumtree reads this blog – Smit is starting at hooker…

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.02.09 09:43:51 by MorneN Reply
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  • Advantage Sharks now…

    ^$&*($^(

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.02.09 09:44:08 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 24) :

    - You say “half” the NZ players were out – and yet the best you guys could manage was 10th? :???:

    I could waste my time and explain why the Sharks are contenders…but that would be like preaching to the choir because I know that you know why.

    You’re merely participating in this angling exercise for the fun of it…just like me… :twisted:

    @wpw (Comment 23) :
    :roll:

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.02.09 09:49:53 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 22) : I don’t include myself cause the Sharks are gonna win….if in the off chance that The Sharks lose….well I’m a Shark forever and that will never change. :grin:

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.02.09 09:57:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 22) : Unfortunatly I won’t be able to join the fight on Saturday night :oops: My 3G phone is out of order and I don’t have ADSL at home….. :oops: But I’ll be back and fighting fit on Monday morning. :twisted:

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.02.09 09:59:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • seems like its degraded to a bit of a slinging match in here.
    Fact is:
    Two awesome teams are taking eachother on in 2 days time and I can’t wait, do we really care about the mind games beforehand? Does where the team comes from really matter, now? Currie Cup?

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.02.09 09:59:23 by molly Reply
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  • BLACK & WHITE. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.02.09 10:03:19 by Charlie Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 12) : semi-finalists two years in a row and finalists and table-toppers one year. The Sharks aren’t taking anything for granted, but they have shown they have the team to get near the top, so why not expect to win when we have come so close?

    Is it also then arrogant, by your reasoning, that because the Stormers failed to make the semis last year, that this year that’s their goal?

    Oh, what arrogance to aim to improve.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.02.09 10:04:08 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 24) : “in 2008, the Sharks sneaked into the semi’s and got klapped badly by the tahs”

    I don’t think that considering the Sharks had to fly to OZ to play the semi that was so bad, considering the Stormers have only ever had one home semi, and lost to the Highlanders who would ahve had to fly all over the world to get there, beat jetlag, AND STILL WIN.

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.02.09 10:08:03 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 30) :

    Well, I guess both coaches want to put their points across to the refs…but the mind games don’t matter much…what matters is what the players do on the field.

    Good luck to both teams and may the best team (pronounced THE SHARKS) WIN!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.02.09 10:10:03 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 31) :

    YEEEAH!!!

    I have it on my avatar but it’s too small to see… :cry:

    Anyway…just for the record…BLACK & WHITE. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!!

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.02.09 10:11:37 by blackshark Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 25) :

    Sweet…

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.02.09 10:12:36 by blackshark Reply

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  • Can’t we all just get along??? :roll:

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.02.09 10:22:28 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 37) :

    YES WE CAN!!! :mrgreen:

    …on Tuesday!!!

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.02.09 10:26:25 by blackshark Reply

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  • well team… based on the side Plum has just announced, I don’t think we can really be at all arrogant going into this game.

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.02.09 10:43:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • Both Plumtree and Rassie are former players.

    Now they’re just playing with each other off the field a bit because they can’t play each on it. All this is.

    As for the game – gonna be a cracker! Wish it wasn’t this bloody saturday – I’ve only been married just more than a month and I’d like to keep it that way!

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.02.09 22:13:13 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Didnt Jannie get absolutley munched on in the scrums last year?

    With the exception of Muller the only thing holding the Sharks scrum together is the mighty Smit in the middle.

    Hope he doesn’t get injured… come to think of it if Carstens gets injured the Sharks do have Mthethwa to fall back on. He has played… what… a few hours fo top flight rugby?

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.02.09 22:19:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Mthethwa did just fine against the Bulls ‘B’ team so will more then ok against the Stormers front row.

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.02.09 22:28:08 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 41) : less than a few hours

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.02.09 23:23:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 42) :

    there’s that Sharks arrogance again… :???:

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.02.09 07:13:18 by wpw Reply
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  • No arrogance…just confidence… :roll: BLACK & WHITE. NOTING ELSE MATTERS :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.02.09 07:55:46 by Charlie Reply

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