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It could cost them


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Original Content on 18 Feb 2009 at 14:38

There is still one issue which still has me believing the Sharks will fail in their quest for Super 14 glory.

No matter how I try I simply cannot shake the issue in my assessment and analysis of the Sharks squad.

Enough has been said about all that counts in favour of the Durban franchise to achieve Super 14 success, and there is plenty and it is all valid, but there is one issue, arguably the most important aspect of any team in which I believe they have made a mistake, and that is in the appointment of their captain Johann Muller.

By now after reading some of my columns most will know that I rate Muller quite a bit as a player. At times last year when Bakkies Botha went into a lull I believed Muller was more deserved to be included in the Boks than even Bakkies was, let alone Andries Bekker.

But given the dynamics of this squad, the competition itself and who they have available in the Sharks team as a leader, selecting Muller in the role of captain might just be the difference of eventually winning the trophy they got so close to in the past, or being the bridesmaids yet again.

In order to understand this you need to comprehend the importance of a captain to a team. I have been saying for years that rugby supporters, and also coaches, underestimate the importance of the captain in the team.

We all know the basics to look for when employing a captain. Things like ‘leading from the front’, being ‘a great motivator’ and good ‘communicator’ are all basic elements of becoming or being a good captain. But there is a hell of a lot more to it.

In addition to those basic requirements coaches will also need to consider how tactically proficient his captain is, or how easily and quickly he can assess situations on the field and apply changes in tactics if necessary.

How proficient is he as a decision maker and is he decisive and respected enough to instil his views and decisions onto his team mates quickly enough, efficiently enough and at the right time?

How does he handle pressure, a bad decision, a bad referee?

How is he accepted by both senior and junior players? How does he control and enforce leadership structures underneath him and can he manage this effectively?

How respected is he with the opposition, their captain and coach, and most importantly, referee’s?

And of course, is he the best guy for the job?

A rugby team is made up of 22 individuals, with different personalities, backgrounds and change control systems which has to be managed effectively if you are to get the best out of them – it is a skill you cannot coach. When I coached I have seen the best team on paper with a rudderless leader being smacked by a less talented team with a great leader.

It is true that a coach will need to select a captain to which he can communicate effectively and trust because he is the guy that needs to buy into the game plan first, and secondly take over for the coach once on the field.

But the other side of the coin is that the wrong choice in captain can destroy a coach, but a coach will very seldom destroy a captain. This then comes down to a simple equation that the coach needs to select the best guy for the job first and foremost, and as time goes on work on his relationship with this player.

I also coached by the philosophy of picking my captain first, and then picking the team and leadership structures around him.

I can go back to last Saturday when Jean de Villiers left the field injured to illustrate just how important a captain is and the influence he has on a team.

Is Johann Muller a bad captain?

Not at all, but he is no-where in the league of John Smit, and I believe that will cost the Sharks.



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  • Morne, while I totally agree about the importance of a strong captain, I believe Muller has matured both as a player and as a captain. It didn’t come naturally to him like John Smit but he is proving a very able leader. I know for a fact that the young players not only like him but respect him greatly and I firmly believe that he has the necessary leadership skills to take us to the Super 14 trophy.

    The only aspect where I feel he possibly needs to improve is “managing” the referee…this is where John Smit is a master!

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.02.09 14:45:33 by Villie Reply
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  • i dont really mind muller as captain, gives john a chance to consentrate on his game!!!!and hes been doing that, and doing better than ever

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.02.09 14:49:16 by willa Reply

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  • @Villie (Comment 1) :

    Simple question;

    Is Johann better than John?

    If you answer yes we have a difference on opinion.

    If no the ask yourself; Why not pick the best guy for the job?

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.02.09 14:54:27 by MorneN Reply
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  • MorneN

    I think the captain plays a very NB role in the side’s success but I think the Sharks might miss out due to lack of depth at flyhalf.

    If Ruan does struggle to gain last years form or heaven forbid he gets injured the Sharks might just not even make the semis.

    Injuries to key players like John, Johan, Stefan or even Kanko and Ruan and the Sharks will be in beeeg trouble.

    You can add Deysel to that list as well…

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.02.09 14:55:30 by wpw Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 3) : No, he is not better than John. But then we have Bismark around and John is not going to play every game.
    Muller is our number 1 lock and we don’t have that much depth without him so if not injured, he plays. No need in chopping and changing the captain. John will assist with his leadership when on the park but he is not the type of guy to undermine anyone.

    We won the CC under Muller’s leadership so I’m confident we can win the Super 14 too!

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.02.09 15:06:48 by Villie Reply
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  • Nah, with John Smit on the field we have 2 captains, and surely Muller will learn all the tricks from Smit… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.02.09 15:07:03 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Villie (Comment 5) : Agree :wink:

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.02.09 15:08:40 by Charlie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 4) : Yes, there are certain players who are vital to the Sharks but most teams have key players that weaken them, if they get injured. That is why the Super 14 is so tough to win, you need a bit of luck on the injury front.

    Steyn will cover at 10 if Ruan is out. Now I know most of you don’t like Steyn as a flyhalf but he will do a job and that is where he will end up later in his career!

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.02.09 15:08:55 by Villie Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 7) : Are you sure you don’t advocate Adi as our leader? :wink: :lol:

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.02.09 15:09:48 by Villie Reply
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  • I will copy this link to this article, as I am sure I will remind you of it as the season goes on.

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.02.09 15:16:53 by MorneN Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 9) : Hell that would be cool…But nope… :lol:

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.02.09 15:18:32 by Charlie Reply

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  • I’m very neutral on this matter…..but if I was the coach I’d probably pick John

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.02.09 15:19:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Rob , KSA , I am having difficulty changing my starting 15 on Justrugby. If I want to change for instance a loose forward it would only give me one option(player) to change too even though there are others that I can choose from( I hope that made sense)

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.02.09 15:22:35 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 13) : Scrap that I just figured it out :oops: :oops:

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.02.09 15:25:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 14) : O gata patata :roll:

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.02.09 15:29:03 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 15) : Well at least it’s better than last week. I didn’t even select a starting 15 or a captain. :roll:
    Still scored 315 which wasn’t bad I think

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.02.09 15:31:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 16) : Great stuff :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.02.09 15:34:15 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 16) : i also forgot, but u beat me by 3 points

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.02.09 15:36:39 by willa Reply

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  • MOrne, I pointed this out to you in another post where you questioned the captaincy issue. John is not going to be around for months during the CC, so to have continuity in captaincy for 2 whole years is not a bad thing.

    The fact that the Sharks have improved and finally managed to do the unthinkable and win a trophy, under Johans leadership is important going forward.

    Also, you captain and coach need to be very close. Johan and Plum have had 2 campaigns together, this is their third. Add last year’s S14 when Plum was assistant.

    Without taking anything away from John, this is the first time he and Plum are workign together, and while I don’t doubt for a minute Smitty has his respect, they don’t have that relationship and that counts for a moerse lot!

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.02.09 15:42:36 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @willa (Comment 18) : That will teach you to read the rules :wink: ….that will teach me to read the rules :oops:

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.02.09 15:42:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 20) : ja,…..sorry no comeback currently available…please try again later

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.02.09 15:51:17 by willa Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 14) : I get the feeling it’s not as intuitive as I think it is….

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.02.09 15:54:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 19) :

    You lost half the team for the CC last year, and you will again this year, so there is little squad continuity to begin with.

    Again, do you pick the best man for the job or not?

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.02.09 15:55:51 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 23) : Yes yes yes

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.02.09 16:00:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I think Baldy’s point is the most telling. Smitty and Plum are still feeling each other out. Joe and Plum really understand each other well by now

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.02.09 16:00:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • In reply to Morne (23) and Rob (25) I agree that Smit is probably the best man for the job, and as you rightfully say, continuity is going to be lost anyway, but in terms of captaincy, that continuity, if maintained, is massive.

    There are arguments about why the Sharks won on Saturday, was it their superior fitness and composure, or the Stormers going rudderless after the loss of JDV.

    It’s not the loss of your players but your leaders.

    I have a suspicious feeling I am going around in corners here and geting nowhere. I could be fooling myself.

    I think the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. If the Sharks win the S14 this year, then it was the right choice. If not, but we win the CC with Johann at the helm, then what’s the verdict?

    I don’t know…

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.02.09 17:18:34 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 26) :in the cc a team doesn’t need a good captain to win. super 14 you do.

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.02.09 19:00:19 by try time Reply

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  • You almost gave me a scare there… I thought there was a major factor going against us that we all missed…little did I know that its thd old captain tale… yawn…

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.02.09 19:01:49 by blackshark Reply

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  • Johan is not a good captain!??!

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.02.09 19:04:42 by Hmmm Reply

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  • And although he is an all round good lock…I don’t think he is standout…

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.02.09 19:06:10 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Hey Shaksworld ADMIN…

    SuperBru and a few other sites have the LIONS as second…now it does not matter as the Blues and LIONS have exactly the same stats (e.g. points dif, try’s for, try’s against, etc, etc)…however should the fact that the LIONS scored the most points in week one not count in their favour…I mean that would be the deciding criteria for a quarter final spot should there be a deadlock like this…NOT ALPHABETICAL….

    Please…JINNE…

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.02.09 19:11:15 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Let me ask this question…how many captains in the Super 14 do you rate higher than John Smit?

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.02.09 19:17:15 by blackshark Reply

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  • Who you asking blackshark?

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.02.09 19:28:30 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 33) : EVERYONE dude…

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.02.09 20:32:10 by blackshark Reply

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  • Richie McCaw?? :grin:

  • Comment 35, posted at 18.02.09 21:45:11 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 35) : ONLY?

  • Comment 36, posted at 18.02.09 22:32:26 by blackshark Reply

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  • Jean de Villiers, Victoria Matfield, Nathan Sharpe

  • Comment 37, posted at 18.02.09 22:34:25 by wpw Reply
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  • Btw, what happened in the final game of our semi? Did u guys manage to win? Where can i find the result?

  • Comment 38, posted at 18.02.09 22:36:11 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : It seems that Cobra’s won on a bowl off! :sad: :mad:

    Cricinfo was hopeless though and I couldn’t make out if we had won or lost!

  • Comment 39, posted at 18.02.09 23:13:27 by Villie Reply
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  • I believe that Muller is a damn decent captain. He is a lot more astute that most give him credit for. And Hmmmmm….he’s a damn fine lock, someone who isn’t flash (or hang in the backline ala Bekker) but does the basics really well and has a very high workrate.

    Morne…I really believe you’re making an issue out of nothing. If we don’t win the Super 14, it won’t have anything to do with the captaincy!

  • Comment 40, posted at 18.02.09 23:15:48 by Villie Reply
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  • The biggest challenge for the sharks to get a home semi is that they need most of their home games to be 5-pointers. It will be tough with their schedule.

    They are already one of only 3 teams who could not score a bonus point in week one.

  • Comment 41, posted at 18.02.09 23:38:53 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 40) :

    You underestimate the role of a leader.

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.02.09 08:23:34 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 42) :

    Personally – I don’t undermine the role of a leader…the Sharks are lucky because we have more than one – woohoo! :smile:

    I think you…on the other hand…overrate the role of the piece of fabric they call “the armband”…which unfortunately has to be worn by one person.

    A lot of things stand between us and the cup…but Johan muller is not one of them.

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.02.09 08:32:33 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 43) :

    Standing in the way?

    Now this is where you Sharkies get it all wrong.

    He is not standing in the way of you getting the Cup, he simply does not add the same amount of value John does in your quest to get it.

    In winning this thing, you have to give yourself the BEST possible chance – they are not doing it.

    If you can convince me Johann is BETTER in the role of captain as John, I will concede this point.

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.02.09 08:49:45 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 44) :
    Dude – I could copy your whole article and paste it here – and then say
    YES-Johan possesses all those skills you mentioned.

    And of course, is he the best guy for the job?

    According to Plum he is – and at the moment that’s what really matters.
    If you get the chance to coach the Sharks you can pick your own captain too. :smile:

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.02.09 09:00:35 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 45) :

    Really?

    I will be delighted if you compare John and Johann as per the stuff in the article above and prove that he is better or even equal…

    You are avoiding my question.

    Do you believe Johann is better than John?

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.02.09 09:06:50 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 46) :

    for Sharks – yes…
    for Bokke – no…

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.02.09 09:09:17 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 47) :

    Okay so let me get this straight…

    The guy who is the best bet for captaining the Boks, or the best, John, is not better than the guy currently captaining the Sharks?

    The most respected captain in world rugby with McCaw is not better than the current captain of the Sharks, a union or franchise?

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.02.09 09:12:42 by MorneN Reply
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  • It’s not a case of better than …but better FOR…

    Johan spends more time with the Sharks and John spends more time with the Boks.

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.02.09 09:14:29 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 49) :

    And half the Sharks team playing in the Super 14 leaves with John to spend time with him with the Boks and leaves Muller behind.

    I thought we covered the continuity aspect of this debate.

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.02.09 09:17:07 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 50) :

    Johan still has to deal with the rest of the squad…and most importantly…the coach.

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.02.09 09:24:44 by blackshark Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 50) :

    Plum can pick Sharkie if he wants – as long as he can do the job …and as long as the team continues to play well and WIN! The end.

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.02.09 09:26:10 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 51) :

    And John needs to deal with the more important members of the squad who are Boks, Johann deals with the youngsters who appear in S14 games in patches.

    As a player and captain John also dealt with Plumtree when Dick was coach.

    As a player today he still deals with Plumtree.

    Kobus van der Merwe believed Luke Watson was his best leader – he was wrong, he lost his job. Luke is still playing…

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.02.09 09:27:36 by MorneN Reply
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  • Again, taking all that into consideration, who is the best captain?

  • Comment 54, posted at 19.02.09 09:28:33 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 53) :
    I don’t think he lost his job because of Luke… :lol:

  • Comment 55, posted at 19.02.09 09:30:12 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 52) :

    And if one can do a better job than the other? And if that is the difference between coming from behind, being able to rally your troops, cancelling out referees influence in making the semi, or final, and eventually winning?

    Anyone can ‘Do the Job’, the exceptional ‘Get’s the Job DONE!’

  • Comment 56, posted at 19.02.09 09:30:35 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 54) :

    The best captain depends on what the coach wants…so there’s no fixed answer for that.

  • Comment 57, posted at 19.02.09 09:32:31 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 55) :

    No he lost his job because he could not get his team to play at the level they are capable of doing. He was not able to gel a talented team in name into a formidable unit. And his biggest asset into helping him accomplish all of this, his captain, failed as he did.

    I mentioned it in my article, wrong choices cost coaches careers, so pick who you want sure, but pick the best.

  • Comment 58, posted at 19.02.09 09:32:36 by MorneN Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 57) :

    And does the coach not want the best?

  • Comment 59, posted at 19.02.09 09:33:21 by MorneN Reply
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  • Morne, I don’t feel you’ve quite driven your point home strongly enough… :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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    You reckon?! :grin:

  • Comment 61, posted at 19.02.09 09:40:41 by MorneN Reply
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  • the difference between coming from behind, being able to rally your troops, cancelling out referees influence in making the semi, or final, and eventually winning

    Clearly Plum believes that Muller can do all of the above – and after our CC victory who are we to disagree? The least we can do is give the man a chance to “do the job” he has been entrusted with.

    Will he “get it done”? Well that’s what we’re all waiting to see, aint it?

  • Comment 62, posted at 19.02.09 09:41:03 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 57) :

    Unless…

    The coach wants to retain the CC!!!

    Then yes, Johann is the best choice.

  • Comment 63, posted at 19.02.09 09:41:16 by MorneN Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 62) :

    There is no sigh smiley I see.

    But I guess Rob is right, I have not brought my point across…

    Here you are willing to ‘give him a chance’ to ‘prove he can do the job’ when you already have arguably the best guy to do the job as his career has proven time and time again.

    Clearly I am missing something in questioning Plumtree’s decision.

  • Comment 64, posted at 19.02.09 09:43:25 by MorneN Reply
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  • I think it was more the string of bad results…@MorneN (Comment 58) :

    Pick the best —according to ?
    @robdylan (Comment 60) : not quite… :razz:

  • Comment 65, posted at 19.02.09 09:44:06 by blackshark Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 64) :

    We can say that Johann has also proven himself…

  • Comment 66, posted at 19.02.09 09:46:50 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 65) :

    According to?

    How about close to 100% of rugby supporters in the world?

    Johann a better captain than John?

    And what influences bad results?

    Stupid decisions?

  • Comment 67, posted at 19.02.09 09:47:25 by MorneN Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 66) :

    What by winning a CC?

    You would have to be joking.

    I reckon it is safe to say there is a slight difference between the CC and Super 14.

  • Comment 68, posted at 19.02.09 09:48:13 by MorneN Reply
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  • Johann: Won 1 CC as captain

    John: Won a 3N, won a WC, got his team to finals, top of the log in the S14…

    There is no comparison in ‘proving themselves’

  • Comment 69, posted at 19.02.09 09:49:19 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 67) :
    Fortunately – the “close to 100% rugby supporters” are not in charge of the Sharks right now…otherwise we could’ve lost to the Stormers. :smile:

    @MorneN (Comment 69) :

    Yep – we were all there for those…

    It’s the beginning of the Plum era and Johan is HIS Captain.
    And until Muller screws up – I cannot fault his selection.

  • Comment 70, posted at 19.02.09 09:57:46 by blackshark Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 68) :

    He didn’t win the CC – but he was part of the team that won it…you still remember there are more guys in the team right? :wink:

  • Comment 71, posted at 19.02.09 09:59:28 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 70) :

    I am not referring to supporters in the general sense.

    I am referring to experts, players, coaches, journalists etc. All who support the game of rugby.

    Not until; “IF” the Plum era ends is tears and not glory, will there be a reflection on things he could have done different? Mistakes made?

    You are not part of rugby to lose, you are there to be successful, so of course Plum will not want to lose, or not succeed, all decisions he makes in his mind is the best, of course it is.

    But I am questioning it based on very logical and simple principles.

    Assessing in hindsight is easy.

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.02.09 10:04:38 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 64) : actually I was being ironic :)

  • Comment 73, posted at 19.02.09 10:05:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 73) :

    I know, I was just a tad sarcastic above! :razz:

  • Comment 74, posted at 19.02.09 10:11:04 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 72) : Jinne, but you Stormer supporter can go on and on and on and on and on and on and on ……..about the same bloody thing. :mrgreen:

    For the record. I agree with you. John for captain

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 75) :

    Dude, you should see me and Vinnie when we discuss cricket and Jacques Kallis! ;)

  • Comment 76, posted at 19.02.09 10:17:05 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 76) : Jacques shouldn’t be in the ODI or 20/20 team anymore…..’opening a can of worms’ :mrgreen:

  • Comment 77, posted at 19.02.09 10:21:40 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 72) :

    We’ve all questioned it…but in the end it’s his decision and he will be judged on the results…even by ME.

    To go on and on about it being a terrible mistake – when we don’t have proof of that yet… is something I can’t accept though.

  • Comment 78, posted at 19.02.09 10:22:15 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 78) :

    Everything is ‘judged’ on results. If it was any different the world would have been perfect.

    But you can question, discuss and debate the merits of any decision based on observation, facts and opinion.

  • Comment 79, posted at 19.02.09 10:28:09 by MorneN Reply
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  • Morras – after the Super 14 you can write us another piece… “It DID costed them” :) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 80, posted at 19.02.09 10:29:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) :

    Hopefully not!!!

  • Comment 81, posted at 19.02.09 10:33:06 by MorneN Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 76) : @Pokkel (Comment 77) :

    Definition of the never-ending conversation…

    @MorneN (Comment 79) :

    But we have to accept that as supporters we have less detailed observations , facts and opinions than the man in charge of the team.
    We don’t quite see things from the same angle at all times.

    Sometimes the fans get it right, sometimes the coach does.
    C’est la vie.

  • Comment 82, posted at 19.02.09 10:34:59 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 82) : why not just ask me? I ALWAYS get it right…

  • Comment 83, posted at 19.02.09 10:38:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) : @MorneN (Comment 81) :

    Yeah…that’s the article we don’t want… :lol:

  • Comment 84, posted at 19.02.09 10:41:31 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) :

    Damn, I forgot you always get it right sometimes…

  • Comment 85, posted at 19.02.09 10:43:11 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 85) : :mrgreen:

    Too clever by half. You attending officially or unofficially this weekend?

  • Comment 86, posted at 19.02.09 11:05:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) :

    Both… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 87, posted at 19.02.09 11:18:09 by blackshark Reply

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