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England plead for mercy from refs

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news on 24 Feb 2009 at 07:42
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England captain Steve Borthwick has pleaded with referee Craig Joubert to give his side a fair crack of the whip in Saturday’s RBS 6 Nations clash with Ireland.

PA Sport Rugby Union Reporter, Alex Lowe writes that England have had eight sin-binnings in their last three Tests, including Mike Tindall and Andy Goode against Wales, and believe they are starting to be refereed on reputation.

Attack coach Brian Smith yesterday claimed Jonathan Kaplan had been influenced in his handling of the match by pressure from Welsh management.

And Borthwick said: “What we hope is that Joubert referees both sides equally. That is all that is asked for. We want consistency on that. I don’t think that is asking too much.

“When you go on to the field for that 80 minutes you just want both teams refereed exactly the same, with the same interpretations. Then we have got a level to be accountable to.”

Discipline has been a major issue for Martin Johnson since he took over as England manager for the November internationals.

Careless penalties gifted Australia a 28-14 victory before England had four players sin-binned and conceded 18 penalties against New Zealand.

After Wales had profited from 18 points in penalties, including eight crucial points while Goode was in the sin-bin, to win 23-15 at the Millennium Stadium, Johnson claimed England were suffering from a “perception problem” among officials.

Smith yesterday went a large step further.

“His (Kaplan’s) whole demeanour through that match, the way he addressed our team in the changing room beforehand – he had clearly had heaps of pressure put on by Wales,” he said.

“The way our team was addressed prior to the Wales game took me a little bit by surprise. It was clear to me that Wales had done their job in terms of getting stuck into the referee.

“Fair play to them for doing it. Teams are looking at every advantage they can get.

“What we are really trying to say to the refs is: ‘Please judge us the same way you judge other teams and do not to come into the game with a preconceived idea’.”

England felt both Cardiff sin-binnings were questionable and they were disappointed Lee Byrne escaped a yellow card for taking out Delon Armitage in the air.

“We’re frustrated by those decisions,” Smith added.

“It was Mike Tindall’s first infringement and he gets a yellow. It was touch and go whether he had actually won the football.

“Goode had secured the ball, one of our players bumps into him, it looks like he is off his feet and he’s gone.

“Our issue with the referees is that there is no doubt Wales played up on the fact (the perception about England) to Kaplan.”

Despite their frustrations over Kaplan’s performance, England accept their discipline must improve if they are to stand any chance of emerging from Croke Park with a victory this weekend.

Tindall’s sin-binning had followed a fierce warning from referee Kaplan that England’s next infringement would be punished after they had conceded five penalties in quick succession.

England plan to bring an RFU referee into training this week in the hope of sharpening their practice at the breakdown.

England could learn today whether Northampton hooker Dylan Hartley will be available for selection against Ireland after he suffered a strained calf muscle.


  • Johnson claimed England were suffering from a “perception problem” among officials.

    Why don’t they hire Butch James as a consultant, he will tell them how he managed to shake the perception issue. :wink:

    Actually why pay money for it? Here it is FOR FREE. He cleaned up his technique and go on with it.

  • Comment 1, posted at 24.02.09 07:54:10 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • They’re better off pleading for a real coach…

  • Comment 2, posted at 24.02.09 08:25:24 by bryce_in_oz Reply
    bryce_in_ozCurrie Cup player
  • i don’t blame them, the nh refs are abysmal.

  • Comment 3, posted at 24.02.09 09:16:41 by try time Reply
    Super Rugby player
  • @try time (Comment 3) :

    The ref in question is Kaplan for last week and Joubert for this week. NOT NH refs.

  • Comment 4, posted at 24.02.09 09:28:29 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©Head Coach
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) : maybe he means the NH refs set a bad standard so when decent refs get there the poms don’t know what to do.

  • Comment 5, posted at 24.02.09 09:39:44 by molly Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :

    Did the Poms not moan about Andre Watson’s performance in the 2003 RWC final??? :eek:

  • Comment 6, posted at 24.02.09 09:51:40 by wpw Reply
    wpwAssistant coach
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) : no thats the problem. the sh refs are reffing well and england prefer getting away with murder from the average nh refs. with kaplan and joubert reffing properly they see just how poor they are. thats why they are pleading mercy and hoping to get their shit nh refs back.

  • Comment 7, posted at 24.02.09 09:54:21 by try time Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 5) : thanks molly that is what i meant. i watched 4 games of nh club rugby this year and was shocked at how poorly the breakdown was regulated. i stopped watching the rubbish.

  • Comment 8, posted at 24.02.09 09:56:00 by try time Reply

    Super Rugby player
  • Have they considered that maybe they are guilty?

  • Comment 9, posted at 24.02.09 10:54:57 by McLovin Reply

    McLovinAssistant coach
  • Usually when there is a big difference in the quality of two teams the weaker team gets penalised more. I believe mostly because they simply lack the quality players/skill to match the better side and have to resort to illegal tactics.

  • Comment 10, posted at 24.02.09 10:56:32 by McLovin Reply

    McLovinAssistant coach
  • Is he saying that any of his players were wrongly sin-binned or that the ref’s allowed Wales to get away with the same infringements!??!
    Cozz if not then his problem is not with the ref’s!!!!!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 24.02.09 11:59:25 by Hmmm Reply

    HmmmSuper Rugby player
  • Tell him to teach his players the laws. They keep committing the same offence. :roll:

  • Comment 12, posted at 24.02.09 15:55:15 by Villie Reply
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