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Setting the Record Straight on Heinke


Written by Neill Arnall (Rugby Guru)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 26 Feb 2009 at 22:19
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Well, well, well I may have got up the noses of some of you die-hard Sharks supporters! Relax gentlemen. I think many of you have taken my post regarding the citing commissioner completely out of context. Let me set the record straight…I am very aware of the citing regulations and the fact that the Sharks do not cite the player the citing commissioner does. In this case the citing commissioner was Durban Attorney Deker Govender. I have no issue with him or the Sharks – however he is according to reports here in Johannesburg affiliated to the Sharks Rugby Union. My contention is that this was an incident that should never have come before the judicial officer in the first place. The Lions have quite rightly appealed this farcical finding and for the record the appeal is to be held at 11pm this evening – I assume because the appeal committee now consists of – a 3 man SANZAR panel that consists of Dennis Wheelahan of Australia, Bruce Squire of New Zealand and Jannie Lubbe of South Africa.

Obviously the Sharks have nothing to gain by van der Merwe being banned, but at no time did I state that they did – my contention is that if our own commissioners are prepared to act on petty rubbish like this don’t squeal when our players get cited by New Zealand and Australian commissioners while on tour. By way of example Bizmarck would have been cited on tour for his unnecessary involvement in the Clever Kankowski affair, which is actually an automatic yellow card offence. Before you lynch me, that would have been silly and Kaplan deserves credit for keeping his head, besides Clever could easily have been carded too. But my point remains lets not be silly and petty on citing players - Shame on you Mr Inconsistent Citing Commissioner!

Now my Shark friends – you need 5 points against the Chiefs (who I am ashamed to say I had as a pre- season Top 4 pick) – Good Luck on Saturday Sharks!



48 Comments

  • “… all I can say is shame on you Sharks – shame on you Mr Citing Commissioner….

    Personally I find it hard to believe that there is not some hidden agenda here.”

    I am not sure how I personally took this out of context from your original article, but the implication was rather clear that the Sharks were somehow behind the citing and that “hidden agenda” suggested they had something to gain out of the citing.

    I would suggest in future when writing something like this, that perhaps you don’t post it for 24 hours, re-read it when you aren’t so hot under the collar, and think of the implications of what you are saying.

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.02.09 23:01:39 by Baldrick Reply
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  • Hehe… I’d be panicking too if we were down Heinke with Lorry moving too tighthead against the Bulls back at full strength…

    I agree… did not look like a citable offence… but I also doubt anyone affiliated with that professional union that is the Sharks would be biased with such an important decision…

    Any news on the 11pm appeal?

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.02.09 04:33:57 by bryce_in_oz Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 1) :
    Sorry Rugby Guru, but I am fully with Balders on this one – we read your comment completely in context; perhaps you were more upset than you realised.

    Anyway, its not a big deal. Enjoy the rugby and good luck.

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.02.09 07:04:26 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 1) :

    would suggest in future when writing something like this, that perhaps you don’t post it for 24 hours, re-read it when you aren’t so hot under the collar, and think of the implications of what you are saying… It seems that it was not only my Mom who taught me that! :lol: :wink:

    I tend to forget the golden rule sometimes… :oops: Just too many things to remember… :roll:

    @Big Fish (Comment 3) :

    hey Fish – nice to see you ‘loering’ in from behind the books!

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.02.09 07:52:43 by Ice (you can leave your hat on!) Reply
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  • Hello Tannie Ice.

    Hoe gaan dit Tannie?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.02.09 07:56:31 by wpw Reply
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  • Don’t worry Guru.

    These Sharks guys are a sensitive lot…

    At least you did not go for the direct blow in questioning Plum’s selections!

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.02.09 07:58:53 by Morné Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 5) :

    TANNIE??? Jy ga sonne Tanne wees as ek met jou klaar is! :lol:

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.02.09 08:10:04 by Ice (you can leave your hat on!) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 6) : Rassie’s selections :?: :roll:

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.02.09 08:11:53 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Ice (you can leave your hat on!) (Comment 7) : Wes, jy soek wee vroeg vir trouble :roll:

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.02.09 08:12:32 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 8) : Surely a low blow :roll:

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.02.09 08:13:06 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 9) :

    En hy gaan dit kry! :twisted:

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.02.09 08:21:27 by Ice (you can leave your hat on!) Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 8) :

    You cannot even debate Rassie’s selections – at times, incomprehensable.

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.02.09 08:21:49 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ice (you can leave your hat on!) (Comment 4) :
    Hi Ys.

    I need to reach out and touch the real world occasionally.

    PS: I will be doing Sigma Six in my Operations course in the next module -can I call on your expertise if I get stuck? :wink:

    @Morné (Comment 6) :
    Ye God’s lad, but you must really nag your lady!

    We already know that Plumtree’s decision to start with Bismark is apparently the worst decision since Caesar thought he would stroll down and have a quick chat with the senators. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.02.09 08:25:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 13) :

    :lol:

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.02.09 08:29:33 by Morné Reply
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  • You know in recent years something became quite apparent to me.

    Since the team I support has been in a slump for…

    Ag hell probably 8 years I had a lot of time to notice the attitude or changes in attitude in other supporters as their teams reached lows and highs.

    There is one very common denominator with all fans from different teams, once their team achieves some measure of success, their fans become extremely defensive and sensitive.

    Was the case with the Cheetahs, Bulls and Sharks in the last 5 or so years.

    Very interesting.

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.02.09 08:31:42 by Morné Reply
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  • All suppotrers are alike!

    I am a Sharkie living in Wee Pee country and personally I find WP suppurters to be the most sensitive of all

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.02.09 08:44:06 by rahul Reply

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  • @rahul (Comment 16) :

    A case of being blind to your own sins.

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.02.09 08:47:06 by Morné Reply
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  • @rahul (Comment 16) :

    Well we ARE always accused of being Gay and arrogant!!

    But the funny thing is that by just spending a few minutes on THIS site one notices how arrogant our Sharks friends are. :wink:

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.02.09 08:50:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 13) :

    Six Sigma.. :roll: :wink:

    @Big Fish (Comment 13) :

    2nd part.. :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.02.09 08:54:23 by Ice (you can leave your hat on!) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 15) :
    Dude, can you not remember what we went through under Kevin Putt!

    Even under Rudolph we were always runners-up.

    Give us a chance to at least enjoy being winners for a change! :wink:

    @wpw (Comment 18) :
    All fans are cocky and defensive in equal measure. I really don’t mind that and usually have a great time with my Stormers buddies.

    Its when you get some people who are sore losers that I get really irritated…

    @Ice (you can leave your hat on!) (Comment 19) :

    Sorry – Sigma Six is the cartoon series! :roll:

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.02.09 09:02:35 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 20) :

    There’s a cartoon series on that?? :shock: I did not find it funny, one bit! (the SS off course) :wink:

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.02.09 09:06:10 by Ice (you can leave your hat on!) Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 20) :

    Indeed, suck every moment up – cause rugby has taught us one important thing; what is up will come down.

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.02.09 09:09:53 by Morné Reply
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  • Now my Shark friends – you need 5 points against the Chiefs (who I am ashamed to say I had as a pre- season Top 4 pick) – Good Luck on Saturday Sharks!

    Hold on to your shame for now…

    The Chiefs lost by 6 to the Saders and by 4 to the Waratahs…

    In the context of the competition these are not necessarily “shameful” results considering that they played the 2 “contenders” away from home.

    Thanks for the LUCK – looks like we might need it.

    Oh…I’ve forgiven you for that cheap swipe at The Sharks… :smile:

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.02.09 09:12:56 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 15) :

    That’s the whole point …

    All fans surf the wave…

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.02.09 09:15:52 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 22) :

    I thought Sir Isaac Newton came up with the Gravity thing… :lol:

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.02.09 09:17:01 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Ice (you can leave your hat on!) (Comment 21) :
    Ag nee wat! :roll:

    Sigma Six is nothing to do with the manufacturing philosophy – its actually a GI Joe spin-off.

    @Morné (Comment 22) :
    Not just rugby Morne; all of history works in cycles.

    However, just like with business cycles, its the length of the respective phases in the cycles that differ.

    My hope is that the Sharks will be able to lengthen their “boom” and shorten their “recession”.

    And a part of that is thinking beyond just what is working today – people say that “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”, but studies show that such an attitude kills innovation and leads to eventual complete breakdown of the unit.

    In other words, just because a particular solution works now doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t look beyond it.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.02.09 09:18:39 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 26) :

    Studies have shown that your avatar can make you sound smarter than you actually are… :mrgreen:

    But yeah…I agree with everything you said…
    “If it ain’t broke – improve it”…

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.02.09 09:23:38 by blackshark Reply

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  • “England prop Matt Stevens has been banned for two years after a routine doping test showed he had used cocaine, European Rugby Cup said on Thursday.”

    Shame. Plett is going through mixed emotions. :lol:

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.02.09 09:24:31 by rahul Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 26) :

    I am lost… :?: Nothinh new, though.. :lol:

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.02.09 09:24:38 by Ice (you can leave your hat on!) Reply
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  • Crusaders 7 – 16 Hurricanes
    Half Time

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.02.09 09:28:52 by rahul Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 27) :
    Ouch! Rather bitchy this morning aren’t we? :twisted:

    @Ice (you can leave your hat on!) (Comment 29) :
    Its ok – just keep smiling.

    But I am still coming to you for my Six Sigma queries! :cool:

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.02.09 09:30:42 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 31) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    I always smile.. :grin: see??

    Bring those queries… :lol:

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.02.09 09:35:55 by Ice (you can leave your hat on!) Reply
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  • @Ice (you can leave your hat on!) (Comment 32) :
    :lol:

    By the way, remember the chat about Valentine’s Day?

    I took someone to the Sharks match as a gift – plus some roses and choccies.

    I got a Sharks jersey as a present! :cool:

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.02.09 09:40:32 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 33) :

    Okay – that beats my Valentine’s…by a bit! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.02.09 09:51:52 by Ice (you can leave your hat on!) Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 33) : LUCKY DUDE… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.02.09 09:56:45 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 35) :
    You know it! :wink:

    @Ice (you can leave your hat on!) (Comment 34) :
    I was sitting just in front of Charlie at the game – he was very loud and was upsetting some Stormers supporters. :twisted:

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.02.09 10:00:33 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Hey we Lions supporters aren’t sensitive..dammit…what are you implying?!?!?!

    :wink:

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.02.09 10:00:42 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 33) :

    My team lost, I still got lucky…

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.02.09 10:01:16 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 38) :
    Play on Playa! :wink:

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.02.09 10:14:43 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I think Rudolph Strauli is behind all this…Old gastapoman :grin:

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.02.09 10:34:30 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • Dekker Govender is one of the most down to earth individuals around and he does not have a malicious bone in this body. Any allegation which suggest he is motivated by any alteria motive is spurious nonsense and deserves to be dismissed with contempt.

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.02.09 11:38:44 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • ok guys… let’s all simmer down.

    This thing has been blown waaaay out of proportion

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.02.09 11:47:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) :
    Nobody getting heated here.

    A more diverse tribunal upheld the conviction though…

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.02.09 12:01:37 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : @Big Fish (Comment 43) :

    Rob, you call this heated up? :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.02.09 12:08:34 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 44) : maybe I’m just over sensitive :)

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.02.09 12:09:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) :

    You haven’t visited “other blogs” for a while, huh?

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.02.09 12:48:37 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 46) : this one keeps me surprisingly busy :)

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.02.09 13:06:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Lions suffered a late blow on the eve of their Super 14 Round Three match against the Bulls in Johannesburg on Saturday, with burly prop Heinke van der Merwe confirmed as a non-starter.

    A SANZAR Appeals Committee on Friday upheld a one-match suspension imposed on the Lions prop, Van der Merwe, for a dangerous tackle in a Super 14 match against the Sharks last week.

    Van der Merwe was given the suspension after a SANZAR Judicial Officer found the player guilty of lifting Sharks centre Francois Steyn beyond the horizontal and making no attempt to lower him safely back to ground in the 76th minute of the Sharks’ 25-10 win in Durban on Saturday.

    The Appeals Committee upheld the verdict of the Judicial Officer.

    Van der Merwe will miss Saturday’s match between the Lions and the Bulls as a result.

    Veteran Springbok Lawrence Sephaka, who was set to start at tighthead, will now play at loosehead and Gert Muller will be in the No.3 jersey. JC Janse van Rensburg will come onto the bench as front row cover.

    There is some good news, with Bok flyhalf André Pretorius, who suffered another hamstring injury this week having been cleared to play.

    Lions – revised: 15 Louis Ludik, 14 Ashwin Willemse, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Doppies le Grange, 11 Henno Mentz, 10 Earl Rose, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Willem Alberts, 7 Ernst Joubert, 6 Cobus Grobbelaar (captain), 5 Gerhard Mostert, 4 Anton van Zyl, 3 Gert Muller, 2 Willie Wepener, 1 Lawrence Sephaka.
    Replacements: 16 Hans van Dyk, 17 JC Janse van Rensburg, 18 Franco van der Merwe, 19 Todd Clever, 20 Chris Jonck, 21 Andre Pretorius, 22 Jannie Boshoff.

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.02.09 17:39:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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