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Kiwi rugby heading for the sewer.


Written by Nick Gordon (The Great Couch Shark)

Posted in :Original Content on 9 Mar 2009 at 12:52

Judging from the results and the constant excuses, all is not good in the Land of the Long White Cloud. Cape Shark reports.

Opening the Sunday Times yesterday, I hoped that I wouldn’t have to endure yet another Sharks game write-up from the local New Zealand scribe. I mean, I’m all for multi-culturalism, but, hell, these guys are ungracious in defeat. For instance did you know that the Sharks’ last two wins have been the direct result of ‘curious’ and ‘frustrating’ refereeing? That’s right. Never mind the obvious errors from the losing team which must have contributed to their own downfall somehow. Well, I have a theory of my own: ‘At the end of the season, the log never lies.’ And in two months’ time this writer is going to have to think of some new excuses to justify his local teams and their respective positions.

This last piece about the Blues defeat, once again, began with the assertion that the entire game hung on a dubious call that went the Sharks’ way. Apparently smokin’ Joe Rococoko was tackled by players that were from an offside position. This should have been a penalty but was ignored. End result was that John Smit barged over for a try five minutes later.

If you’re left scratching you head and wondering what the big deal is, you’re right. This ain’t exactly penalty try stuff. Besides, there were some big calls that went against the Sharks, like Keegan Daniel’s big hack ahead that was smothered by a Blues defender and not released, five metres from the tryline. That was a shocking call and given the circumstances would have been more likely to result in a try.

Then there’s the usual post match quips from the losing coach who is ‘perplexed, baffled and dismayed’ by the referee’s decisions. Must be easy being a coach over there. You and your team can do nothing wrong.

Actually, what it all boils down to is that Kiwi rugby has gone down the crapper and the reality is not settling in very well over there. On Saturday the Super legendary Crusaders lost to perennial basement dwellars the Highlanders in the lowest scoring game of the tournament’s history. 6-0.
The game was toilet and if nothing else just plain sad. As Rob mentioned the other day this Crusaders team has only 5 players who played in last year’s tournament final!

New Zealand rugby has been completely ravaged by player exodus and the uncompromising attitude from the national coach has only backfired. No greater example of this, is the fact that Dan Carter, the lovechild of New Zealand and world rugby, has left their shores and potentially turned his back on his country. What it confirms is how dead loyalty is in this game. As Jerry Seinfeld remarks, ‘sport these days is about rooting for laundry’.

So with the Cheetahs being no better than a club team, the Crusaders languishing at the bottom of the log, the Reds requesting a re-structuring of the tournament, SA Rugby allegedly trying to pull its teams out and Mark Keohane stating that he’d rather watch the Heineken Cup, is the end nigh for the Super 14?

The way I see it, it has to be about quality over quantity. Adding a 15th team is the exact opposite of what they should do. It should revert back to 10, maybe 12 teams max; a provincial team is either ‘promoted’ to- or ‘relegated’ from Super Rugby based on their performance in their domestic cup. I.e. to qualify for Superrugby, a South African team would have to make the semifinals of the Currie Cup. This promotion/relegation strategy would ensure that there are no easy beats and dull affairs. I seem to recall that this is how Super10 began. Now it’s bloated and all about money.



51 Comments

  • I agree, let’s get back to the Super 12 rather than up to Super 15, unless we add a Pasific Islanders or Argentina team. But even then it shouldn’t be more than 14 teams. Let’s get the Promotion/relegation games back.

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.03.09 13:02:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • yup, all planes have to come down to refuel, even u2′s.

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.03.09 13:04:51 by try time Reply

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  • CS,

    I might be wrong but I think you do not fully understand the whole idea behind the 15 teams?

    It is all based on a conference system.

    Meaning each of the 3 SANZAR countries would host 5 teams who would first compete within their own conference playing 8 games, each team home and away.

    The top 2 teams of each conference will then play the top two of every other conference in a top 6 knockout type competition.

    I think it was mentioned that the remaining conference teams will play in a shield or plate type setup while the Cup contenders slug it out.

    Also, the CC over the last 4 and more years clearly shows that the CC is no way to measure the strength of SA teams for a S14 competition.

    Our CC champs from 2005 – 07 continually end up bottom of the Super rugby log, and the CC is minus the Boks for large portions of the competition.

    I agree that NZ rugby is in shit, but I would not dismiss the Super 15 suggestion just yet.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.03.09 13:43:02 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 3) : Fair enough. Sounds pretty messy when it comes to the plate and shield games. I mean, would you really go and watch your team slug it out in the plate final? Dunno. But you’re right about Currie Cup.

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.03.09 13:56:41 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 4) :

    Don’t quote me on the plate thingy, all I know is it is a planned conference system with the top teams of each conference contesting in the main cup.

    The only other thing that suggested to me there will be something for the losing teams was that it was also said that every team, will play every other team in the new super competition at least once every 2 years.

    This might mean a plate thing, or it could mean that apart from playing in your conference first (8 games) you will play 5 more games (total 13) against teams from the other two conferences which will count towards you normal log points (round robin stage). This rotates every year so if you play 5 teams from conferences from NZ and Aus this year, you won’t play them in the pool stages next year but take on the guys that you did not play against this year from the other two conferences.

    You can then also use the South African conference system (Including the SEC franchise, i.e. top 6 teams in SA) as CC fixtures.

    This means the Bulls, Stormers, Sharks, Lions, Cheetahs and Super Kings will contest the CC the same time as the Super 15 takes place with derby matches (home and away) counting towards the CC fixture list with the CC semi’s and final played in September/October (after the Super 15).

    Add to this a promotion relegation match(es) for the last 2 teams (those that did not make the CC play-off’s), home/away and neutral to see who takes part in the next year’s Super 15 – all this can become very interesting.

    Practicle example;

    Bulls, Stormers, Sharks, Lions and Cheetahs are currently the top 5 teams in SA.

    SEC franchise wants access to the Super 15.

    During the Super 15 the SA conference consisting of our 5 top teams will slog it out playing each other twice, home and away.

    These count to their Super 15 log points but also, their CC points.

    After the Super 15, the top 4 teams (on log points) plays in the CC semi’s and final, the 5th placed team plays 3 games against the SEC franchise, home, away and neutral (neutral can be a curtain raiser to the CC final) to determin which 5 teams will make up the SA conference for the next year.

    What about Griquas, Valke, Boland, etc.?

    Simple, let all 14 unions play a Vodacom Cup or something, hell call it the Madiba cup if you want.

    This means the CC will be contested between the top 5 teams in SA effectively and let’s be honest, the franchises are simply glorified union teams of each province in anycase – rotating and giving the SEC the opportunity to play not only CC rugby, but play their way into the Super 15 through promotion relegation.

    All major regions are represented in South Africa, smaller unions feed the top 5 franchises and all 14 unions participate in a local competition as-well.

    Strenght vs. strength, healthy competition and looking after out players.

    I quite like this conference system or the possibilities it brings.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.03.09 14:20:06 by Morné Reply
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  • must say – I don’t like the conference thing for one reason – I find the local derbies in the Super 14 the least exciting part.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.03.09 14:23:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) :

    You are in the minority dude, it attracks the most attention from fans in the stands and on tv.

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.03.09 14:28:35 by Morné Reply
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  • Lets face it… SA teams also blamed the ref when we were losing. its an easy scapegoat to divert attention from your teams flaws.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.03.09 14:32:28 by rahul Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 7) : but isn’t that what the Currie Cup is for?

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.03.09 14:34:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) :

    That is what it was for, when all the Boks still competed in the CC.

    The CC today is nothing but a two bit second rate competition with all our top Boks out.

    Incorporate the CC in the conference system, satisfy both ends of the spectrum.

    The guys that loves the CC, wants to see the best compete against the best for top local honours gets their way.

    We do not lose our top players like we do currently.

    The guys that love the Super 14 also get their way as it essentially becomes a Super 6, with the top two SA teams only progressing to the business end of the Super competition – meaning no hammerings dished out to the Cheetahs and Lions by Aus / NZ teams.

    It will, or could sort out the debacle surrounding the SEC and give them a fair shot.

    Make the CC a competition worth watching again (again incorporate the CC into the Super 15 conference system where conference points gained and lost in local derbies counting towards the CC log).

    Simplify the Super comp and get rid of the deadwood (Reds, Highlanders, Cheetahs and Lions) and make that a true international competition of class.

    The best of NZ, Aus and SA on show.

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.03.09 14:48:54 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 10) : so, all-in-all, we have the Super 10 back.

    Which actually suits me fine.

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.03.09 14:51:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) :

    Exactly!

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.03.09 14:54:22 by Morné Reply
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  • The Aussies and Kiwis play the Bledisloe cup as 3N matches, essentially it has fark all to do with us but the points or wins in 3N matches counts towards silverware we could not give two tosses about.

    Do the same thing with the CC by using S15 conference matches.

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.03.09 14:55:46 by Morné Reply
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  • I agree with Rob on the dislike of the conference system but for a different reason.

    A Super 15 will just add one week to the competition, it is the conference system and expaded play-offs that will kill the Currie Cup.

    from
    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2009/03/08/super-15-threatens-future-of-the-currie-cup/

    “Australia don’t have a domestic championship and New Zealand’s final last year attracted only about 20,000 people,” he said. “The Currie Cup final was sold out last year, so it’s still a very important competition. ”

    Because they don’t have a meaningful competition outside the Super 14, the Australians would like the new tournament to start in March and end in August, doubling up as a domestic season. That would clash with the Currie Cup, which starts in late June or early July

    The Aussies must catch a wake-up and develop a domestic competition of their bloody own.

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.03.09 14:57:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 14) :

    Read my views on this above.

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.03.09 14:59:26 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 13) :

    Surely you can’t do that? I know it may not be a lot at the moment but there ARE players from the non-S14 franchises (i.e. CC teams) who are in the S14 squads.

    If the S14 teams have to play CC for points it will make the divide between the big 5 and the others (CC sides) even larger. Now a team has it’s S14/15 team and a few players who would normally play in the CC side now won’t have that chance becasue they would be in the S14 squad, weakening the non S14/15 sides radically

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.03.09 15:02:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • gotta go, will read the replies later.

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.03.09 15:04:11 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 16) :

    Do you think the ‘divide’ between the top 5 teams in SA and the other unions will shrink anytime soon?

    I certainly dont.

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.03.09 15:05:11 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 14) : Ther is already a problem with heat exhaustion… we need a shorter super rugby season so that we dont damage the players in 90% humidity

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.03.09 15:12:58 by rahul Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 17) :

    Effectively by doing this you will have 6 teams competing year in and year out – that means 180 players – our top players.

    These 6 teams represent all 6 major regions in South Africa.

    Any of the unions outside the top 5 is, and has only been feeding the top 5 for over a decade, at least they can do this now feeding a franchise to which they share an identity with, i.e. a regional franchise.

    Re-invent the Vodacom Cup, and create a competition to which all 14 unions, outside the franchises, can compete. This runs concurrently with the Super 15.

    Is what we want for the CC not;

    a) Strength vs. strength
    b) Our top players involved with the oldest domestic comp in the world???

    By incorporating it into a regionally based Super 15 conference system you will achieve this.

    Each of these top 5 teams will compete by playing each other home and away, with the play-off’s decided after the Super 15.

    The 5th placed team will play a promotion relegation match against the 6th franchise team to ensure our top teams not only play in our top domestic comp, but also has a shot at Super rugby success.

    The conference system in addition ensure teams like the Cheetahs throwing in the towel not even half way through the season is put through the misery of suffering humiliating defeats for 13 weeks (not to mention the misery they put us as fans through). In short the conference system might not only breathe new life into the CC, it will breathe much need life into the Super Comp where only the top 6 or 9 teams compete for ultimate Super rugby glory – not this skewed 14 team format we have now…

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.03.09 15:13:33 by Morné Reply
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  • @rahul (Comment 19) :

    The Super 15 can start in March, even late March and finish June or July. Each Super team still only plays 13 matches (excluding play-offs) as they do currently thanks to the format of the conference system.

    Meaning they do not play more games, we can still have a 3N and we can include benefits to the CC as explained above.

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.03.09 15:15:43 by Morné Reply
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  • Sounds like you’ve done your homework. I’m happy as long as strength meets strength, which by your account, seems to be the case.
    It’s still worrying to see the state of NZ rugby at such a low, and don’t even get me started on Aussie rugby, quite a few of their players have more Super caps than club caps! Troubling indeed.

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.03.09 15:38:33 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 22) :

    NZ and Aus rugby can apply the same system to their local competitions…

    And its not so much a case of doing my homework, I have been adovcating this for a loooooonnngggggg time now!

    My arguments just gets better over time. :)

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.03.09 15:43:30 by Morné Reply
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  • How would the sponsorship work for the matches that double up as both S15 & CC games?

    Would the money be more or less?

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.03.09 15:47:03 by McLovin Reply

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  • Bold statement :shock:

    A little premature perhaps.

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.03.09 15:52:57 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 24) :

    I would assume that sponsorship goes hand in hand with television coverage.

    Now SA (CC) derbies in Super rugby format will be broadcasted to a much wider audience (because it is also part of the Super comp) so I gues Vodacom and the likes won’t mind one little bit…

    You might just see many more sponsors wanting to come onboard…

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.03.09 15:53:14 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 23) : they get longer too

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.03.09 16:01:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 26) : Vodacom pays X amount to sponsor S14 & ABSA (or whoever) pays X amount for CC. Would they be happy to pay the same and share some matches?

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.03.09 16:03:26 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 28) :

    Pay the same I am sure, they certainly won’t be losing out on the deal – instead they will be gaining imo.

    @robdylan (Comment 27) :

    Kaaaaaak!

    I impoved that bit! :)

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.03.09 16:06:07 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 29) : he he

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.03.09 16:07:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Sunday Times writer has a point. Muller was offside when he tackled Rocokoko. It was right on the goal-line. Should have been a penalty to the Blues.

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.03.09 20:38:27 by fyndraai Reply
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  • NZ rugby is in trouble. Crowd numbers have been down for a few years. That means less money for player salaries and more players leaving. Now its impacting their performances on the field. It seems the NZRU is just as commercially inept as SARU.

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.03.09 20:48:05 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 23) :
    The idea is sound. I think it was proposed by SARU last year. Then all the wise men on this site poo-pood it.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.03.09 21:03:26 by fyndraai Reply
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  • It’s beyond me they kept Henry… but then again I suppose they did only lose two games, win the 3N and every game on tour…

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.03.09 07:26:55 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 23) :

    Excepting that RSA should only be permitted 3 teams… and most certainly not adding another even weaker non-performer…

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.03.09 07:31:24 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 20) :

    I still can’t get my head around what you are trying to propose.

    Re-invent the Vodacom Cup, and create a competition to which all 14 unions, outside the franchises, can compete. This runs concurrently with the Super 15.

    14 teams outside the franchises? If we include all 14 SA teams then we aren’t re-inventing anything that is the way things are at the moment.

    Is what we want for the CC not;

    a) Strength vs. strength
    b) Our top players involved with the oldest domestic comp in the world???

    By incorporating it into a regionally based Super 15 conference system you will achieve this.

    Each of these top 5 teams will compete by playing each other home and away, with the play-off’s decided after the Super 15.

    When will this be played? It can’t be played at the same time as the revamped VC cup becasue then we STILL aren’t changing anything other than eliminating the lower teams in the CC from having any chance of playing a top team as they will now ONLY have the Vodacom Cup to play in.

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.03.09 13:13:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The 5th placed team will play a promotion relegation match against the 6th franchise team to ensure our top teams not only play in our top domestic comp, but also has a shot at Super rugby success

    Where will this 6th franchise be playing during the conference?

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.03.09 13:16:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 37) :

    Nowhere – unions will revert to playing the VC league or Cup.

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.03.09 13:17:40 by Morné Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 32) : Well no. Cos at least we still get big numbers at games. The question is are they maximising the profits?

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.03.09 13:25:04 by klempie Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 36) :

    Simple, re-invent the Vodacom Cup, which represents all 14 teams or unions. Even make it a league based competition and not a cup competition.

    This can run from March to September/Octocber

    It is not re-inventing anything correct, other than making than changing the format of the VC.

    =====

    When will it be played?

    The same time as the Super 15! The conferences each play 2 games against every other team, home and away, the points they gather during the conference stages of the S15 counts towards their CC log points too.

    Simple really. It is a competition (local) within a competition (international).

    We are not eliminating any small union.

    Every single small union is already incorporated into the 5 current franchises we have, apart from the SEC unions – simply because they do not have a regional franchise.

    The 9 small unions will NEVER compete with the big 5 in pro rugby, end of story.

    The point of the 9 smaller unions is simply to feed their regional franchise team.

    This is done through development thanks to competitions like the VC.

    Tell me what is the point of the CC st division currently? Or the VC as it currently works?

    Or even including Boland, Valke, Leopards, Griquas or whoever in the premier CC competition?

    They will NEVER win the CC – NEVER.

    They will cause an upset here and there but will NEVER win a CC final.

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.03.09 13:25:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 38) :

    Does that mean that we will have 6 franchises and in the year(s) that the 6th team (whoever it may be) doesn’t make the S15 cut they only get to play Vodacom Cup?

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.03.09 13:26:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 41) :

    The franchise will dissolve yes (into its representing unions).

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.03.09 13:32:23 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 41) :

    Alternatively, as suggested by TonyM last year with one of his 10000 proposals, the losing franchise dissolves (top players etc) into the promoted franchise.

    Biggest difference being their home base will be where the promoted franchise is based.

    So if the Southern Kings beat the Cheetahs, the Souther Kings will have first option on the top Cheetah players like Juan, Brussow (I am trying to think of more… :) ) etc. and contract them to the new Southern Kings, if not or they don’t want them, other unions can contract them, i.e. central contracting system.

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.03.09 13:36:56 by Morné Reply
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  • Okay you are saying a lot of things but not answering the ONE question I have. :smile:

    let me explain the question and make it sound like a lot of questions. :wink:

    If we run the VC from March to September including ALL 14 provinces and we then run the CC within the S15 or S15 within the CC what do the other teams do during this time? (Whenever this time is)

    Will they ONLY have the VC to play in? (I can’t see them agreeing to that)

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.03.09 13:39:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 44) :

    I think you are looking at the perceived value of each competition rather than looking at the structures of each competition which is what I am trying to propose a solution to.

    * The VC, along with the CC 1st division competition are useless. It serves no purpose, it surely does not serve the smaller unions in any way and is basically a waste of time and money.

    Agreed?

    * The CC in its current format is not far off being as useless as the above mentioned competitions, with its only saving grace being the return of the Boks in the final weeks of the competition. This competition too serves close to nil for the smaller unions – they are, and never will be competitive in this competition.

    Agreed?

    So what we need is;

    a) A format that ensures our top teams, and top players are represented in a Super rugby competition.

    aa) Not only our top player must be represented, but all the regions of South African must be represented, i.e. the SEC needs to be incorporated.

    b) We need to sort out our local domestic competition, specifically the CC, to get it back to a strength vs. strength competition which will include our Boks.

    c) We need a meaningful competition or league for all 14 unions, where they will not only benefit from a properly run competition but also be competitive in.

    All 14 unions’ main purpose is to feed the regionally based 6 franchises in South Africa.

    Franchises re-investing in each of their unions will only benefit the franchise.

    - Super 15 runs from March to June.
    - New Vodacom Cup runs from March to September/October depending on the format of the competition/league.
    - CC (regional franchise based CC, i.e strength vs. strength) runs with the Super 15 – i.e. Super 15 conference matches are also CC matches.
    - Promotion/relegation matches as well as CC semi’s and final takes place in July.
    - 3N August/September/October
    - EOYT November/December

    And I know the question of Autumn tours from the UK is going to come up so here is my answer to that – the NH persists in sending C teams over here, let them play our C team.

    Just remember, I think these tours will be something of the past in any event since Aus and NZ will also be playing in the SUper 15 as we will so they too won’t host tours if the competition goes until June.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.03.09 13:55:10 by Morné Reply
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  • CC (regional franchise based CC, i.e strength vs. strength) runs with the Super 15 – i.e. Super 15 conference matches are also CC matches.

    Will there be other CC matches OTHER than the S15 Conference matches?

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.03.09 14:03:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 46) :

    Only the play-offs.

    semi’s and final.

    This happens outside/after the S15.

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.03.09 14:07:59 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 47) :

    So the CC will only be 5 teams then?

    I agree with all the “Agree?” questions in #45 above but still can’t see smaller unions EVER agreeing to a foramt that includes NONE of them.

    The politics and voting system in SA Rugby requires the BIG 5 to have a few of the small 9 in their back pockets. A CC with only the BIG 5 will see the small 9 revolt in no time.

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.03.09 14:12:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) :

    Take the CC away completely then, or make it a 14 union competition even ex Boks because that is the only way you can sustain that amount of rugby, between so many unions in 1 year.

    My question will then be, what does the small unions gain (seeing there is only 3 of them involved in the CC remember) from being in the CC?

    Can only be financial gain hey?

    I cannot think they gain anything from the 1st division…

    Harsh reality is 11 of our 14 unions are actually bankrupt or operating at a loss…

    All of this, all our discussion and debate is dependent on one very simply thing, making some tough calls ala Louis Luyt or Oberholzer.

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.03.09 14:26:07 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 49) :

    I agree again the only reason the smaller unions are in the CC is to give the Big 5 buddy power when it comes to voting. It is no coincidence that the Premier div has more teams than the 1st div.

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.03.09 14:40:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The English Premier League (soccer) was created when the top clubs walked out of the FA. With them they take all the fans (read money), so the FA had to fall in-line.

    The analogy in SA would be for the big 5 to walk out. SARU, then consisting of the little 9 will have nothing. In the new organization the big 5 will have all the votes and can decide to let the EC in or not. The wild-card in SA’s case is the government.

    A threat of a walk-out may be enough. Like when they refused to sign the participation agreement a few years ago.

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.03.09 16:36:00 by fyndraai Reply
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