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SA may play little part in radical new Super rugby model


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Super 14 on 10 Mar 2009 at 11:54
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South Africa’s involvement in Super rugby could be whittled back to a mere handful of matches as SANZAR investigates a proposal that would see Australia and New Zealand stage their own Asia-Pacific tournament.

Wayne Smith reports for The Australian that Australian Rugby Union boss John O’Neill confirmed New Zealand media reports that the SANZAR working party set up in Dubai last week to facilitate the introduction of an expanded Super 15 competition in 2011 is also exploring a radically different back-up model.

The fall-back series would be a virtual Super 12 involving five teams each from Australia and New Zealand plus a team each from Japan and the Pacific islands. South Africa, meanwhile, would stage its own internal competition with the two conferences only coming together for a finals series.

Irrespective of which option prevails, New Zealand is looking at taking the lead in changing its Test eligibility rules to enable its players based with Australian or South African franchises to be considered for All Black selection.

Certainly, such a move would make it easier for any new Australian Super rugby franchise to assemble a competitive playing roster using surplus New Zealand talent.

It’s an idea O’Neill has long espoused and indeed he raised the possibility of a SANZAR competition-specific eligibility rule covering all three partner nations at the Dubai meeting.

At this moment, however, it is unclear whether Super rugby in anything like its present format will survive.

“Whilst the main game is an expanded Super 15, which remains our first preference, we clearly have to work on some other options just in case,” O’Neill said.

The “just in case” is a polite reference to what increasingly is becoming an impolite SANZAR backroom brawl, with South Africa digging its heels in to oppose any expansion of Super rugby that would push the competition into August where it would conflict with its domestic Currie Cup.

The other volatile sticking point is whether South Africa or Australia will supply the proposed expansion team.

The Afrikaans newspaper Sondag revealed that South Africa Rugby Union chief executive, Andy Marinos, and president, Oregan Hoskins, both attacked O’Neill in Dubai for allegedly revealing details of the SANZAR debate to the Australian media.

Marinos told the newspaper while O’Neill might have decided the 15th franchise would be an Australian one, South African rugby would not be dictated to.

“The days that other countries walk all over us are over,” Marinos said.

“We will do what we feel is right for South Africa, within the SANZAR context, and nothing else.”

All three countries agreed in Dubai on the need for an expansion, it was also decided that team would play in the Australian conference.

But if South Africa continues to insist on the new franchise being the Eastern Cape Southern Kings, then the concept could become laughable. Just what an Eastern Cape team would bring to an internal Australian series featuring the Waratahs, Reds, Brumbies and Western Force no one can explain.

Yet it is not just Australia and South Africa now facing off.

New Zealand is becoming frustrated with South Africa’s foot-dragging, which reached a head last July when an agreement to stage a six-team Super 14 finals series this year was vetoed by South Africa because it wanted the top two teams from each nation to participate rather than the top six teams on merit.

So infuriated was one Kiwi official with South Africa’s tactics of obstruction at a SANZAR meeting earlier this year that he blurted out: “You know you are leaving us with no choice but to take the Asia-Pacific option.”

Now the battlefield has shifted to the start and finish dates of the proposed elongated Super rugby season. At present the Super 14 finishes at the end of May and does not affect the Currie Cup.

But if the Super 15 expansion goes ahead, the new format would see each team play every other team once and then split into five-team Australian, New Zealand and South African conferences for a half-round of local matches, followed by the combined six-team finals series. That would mean a 22-week competition which inevitably would spill over into the Currie Cup.

For that reason, South Africa wants to stick with the present mid-February start. Another veto from it, however, could see the trans-Tasman partners go it alone.

Australia’s primary concern with an early start is the heat factor. Certainly, it was more good luck than good management that Cheetahs captain Juan Smith did not suffer more serious damage when he collapsed from heat exhaustion after playing in temperatures nearing 40C and the oppressive Brisbane humidity against the Reds on March 1.

While New Zealand shares those concerns, it also has other reasons for pushing for a mid-March start; to give its All Blacks more rest after their spring tour and to bolster early-season crowds. Seemingly playing Super 14 during the cricket season is testing even the Kiwis’ love of rugby.

New Zealand Rugby Union chief executive Steve Tew told the NZ Herald the country would be prepared to accept a start date of the last weekend in February, but warned there was no guarantee the SANZAR partners could work through their differences.

“It was reassuring to hear from our two partners that they remain committed, especially after speculation came out of South Africa that they were looking to Europe,” Tew said.

“But we are a very long way from popping champagne corks.

“As we work through the detail we are all finding issues. Whatever we decide has to work from both the playing side and from a commercial standpoint.”

It may well be that limiting South Africa’s involvement or even going ahead without it in a stand-alone Asia-Pacific tournament produces the best bottom line for Australia and New Zealand.

All three SANZAR partners share costs equally but South Africa, which generates the bulk of the television revenue, takes the biggest share of the spoils and is reputed to be seeking to increase its allocation to 45 per cent, which would see Australia’s slice of the pie cut from 25 per cent to 20 per cent.

As well, South African teams eat up $8million of SANZAR’s $11m annual travel costs.

An Asia-Pacific tournament would dramatically reduce travel costs. As well, its matches would be spread across just three time zones (New Zealand, the Australian east coast and the Australian west coast/Japan) which means all could be televised at watchable hours.

It is understood broadcasters believe games between Australian and South African teams played at present in the republic at 3am Australian time are commercially without value.



60 Comments

  • he raised the possibility of a SANZAR competition-specific eligibility rule covering all three partner nations at the Dubai meeting.

    That makes a lot of sense IMO

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.03.09 11:57:57 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • But if the Super 15 expansion goes ahead, the new format would see each team play every other team once and then split into five-team Australian, New Zealand and South African conferences for a half-round of local matches, followed by the combined six-team finals series. That would mean a 22-week competition which inevitably would spill over into the Currie Cup.

    WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY to long IMO.

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.03.09 12:01:54 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Blah blah blah blah Boring

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.03.09 12:02:10 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 3) : Actually well worth the read IMO. :smile:

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.03.09 12:07:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 3) : :roll:
    Very…

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.03.09 12:16:15 by blackshark Reply

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  • ‘It is understood broadcasters believe games between Australian and South African teams played at present in the republic at 3am Australian time are commercially without value’.

    Without value with regards to Aus but surely not SA.

    Bit of six of the one and half dozen of the other.

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.03.09 12:17:39 by McLovin Reply

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  • Marinos is being ridiculous here. If I were the Aussies and Kiwis I’d tell SA to get stuffed.

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.03.09 12:18:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • NZ & SA already have five teams. It’s seems logical that the new team should come from elsewhere.

    The Spears/Kings/Sjamboks or whatever they’re going to be called should certainly first prove their worth in the VC or CC.

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.03.09 12:20:26 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 3) :

    You can say that again!!! :roll:

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.03.09 12:22:48 by wpw Reply
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  • i think it would be far to get another Aus franchise – just on purely mathematical basis

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.03.09 12:24:10 by rekinek Reply
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  • If it’s already been agreed that the 15th team will be based in Aus then surely that team can only come from Aus/Japan/Pacicfic Isles.

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.03.09 12:25:13 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 6) :

    And add to that “6″ the fact that we bring in the majority of the money, which to me means we sell our matches for more, then I think a game at peak time in SA is worth more than if the game was played at peak time in Aus.

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.03.09 12:26:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Pacicfic is like Pacific only with more c. :roll:

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.03.09 12:26:08 by McLovin Reply

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  • so we threaten them with joining the North and they threaten us with their own Asia-Pacific.
    and add Cheeky to all of this :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.03.09 12:26:18 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 10) :

    far = Fair? :smile:

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.03.09 12:26:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 12) : Eggzaggertly.

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.03.09 12:27:03 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 11) : maybe Cheeky is relocating :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.03.09 12:27:35 by rekinek Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 11) :

    Except it seems as if SARU want that team to be our 6th franchise. I can’t see ANY SA team agreeing to base themselves in Aus.

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.03.09 12:28:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 15) : yes :oops:

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.03.09 12:28:30 by rekinek Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 18) : Yip, that would just be dof. Seeing as the whole point of the Eastern Cape Kings/Queens/Jacks team is to bring rugby to the EC. :neutral:

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.03.09 12:30:47 by McLovin Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 17) : If only… :roll:

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.03.09 12:31:16 by McLovin Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 18) : Maybe Saracens :shock:

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.03.09 12:32:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : So would I, but seriously, who is gonna watch Asia-Pacific timezone games?

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.03.09 12:37:43 by klempie Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 22) : and what about one big global tournament – the whole year. that could be fun :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.03.09 12:39:24 by rekinek Reply
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  • But if the Super 15 expansion goes ahead, the new format would see each team play every other team once and then split into five-team Australian, New Zealand and South African conferences for a half-round of local matches, followed by the combined six-team finals series. That would mean a 22-week competition which inevitably would spill over into the Currie Cup.

    I understood it would be a case of the conference being played and then a top 6 pool, after which you would have play-offs.

    THIS is a lot more games than that.

    Pool matches:
    14 matches plus 1 bye = 15 weeks

    Conference:
    Playing the other teams in your “half-round” conference. I presume this means IF you played the team in your conference AWAY during the Pool matches then you now play them at HOME. 4 matches = 4 weeks

    6 team Play-offs:
    Still have no idea how a “fair” system of 6 team play-offs would work but presuming the 22 weeks mentioned is the correct duration then I would suspect 1/6 finals along the lines of 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5 while 1 and 2 play tiddlywinks. With Semi-Finals then seeing 1 and 2 hosting the winners of the 1/6 finals and then Finally the two semi-final winners playing each other.

    That equals 22 weeks with 1 bye in there.

    MUCH to long IMO.

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.03.09 12:39:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 14) : so we threaten them with joining the North and they threaten us with their own Asia-Pacific.

    Who do you think is going to win that battle when it comes to TV revenues?

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.03.09 12:39:33 by klempie Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 20) :

    I said “6th franchise” rather than EC with a very good reason. :smile:

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.03.09 12:40:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 23) : toughies :lol:

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.03.09 12:40:44 by rekinek Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 26) : Frenchies :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.03.09 12:42:34 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 28) : That’s what I’m saying. They can go if they want, but they’ll be cutting off their noses to spite their faces. What the hell does that saying mean anyway? :???:

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.03.09 12:45:28 by klempie Reply

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  • New Zealand is looking at taking the lead in changing its Test eligibility rules to enable its players based with Australian or South African franchises to be considered for All Black selection.

    Certainly, such a move would make it easier for any new Australian Super rugby franchise to assemble a competitive playing roster using surplus New Zealand talent.

    It’s an idea O’Neill has long espoused and indeed he raised the possibility of a SANZAR competition-specific eligibility rule covering all three partner nations at the Dubai meeting.

    This little bit would certainly solve the 15th team’s player problems. Neither SA not Aus can really claim that they have sufficient depth to staff an extra side. Using a little from each country would solve that problem.

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.03.09 12:50:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Apart from the crap on who gets the 15th team the discussions are extremely important and not boring at all.

    The resulting agreements of what is discussed could have far reaching consequences to rugby in SA. I hope Hoskins knows what he is doing.

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.03.09 12:51:17 by Ollie Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) : and what about a mixed team but where would they be based :lol:

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.03.09 12:55:18 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 33) : What like a quota of SA and Aussie players? :wink:

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.03.09 12:57:08 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 30) :
    Do you really want to be stuck watching NH rugby, mind you some of the stuff dished up this last weekend ….argh

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.03.09 12:57:17 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 30) :

    cut off your nose to spite your face
    to do something because you are angry, even if it will cause trouble for you ‘The next time he treats me like that, I’m just going to quit my job.’ ‘Isn’t that a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face?’

    cut off your nose to spite your face
    to hurt yourself in an effort to punish someone else If you stay home because your ex-husband will be at the party, aren’t you just cutting off your nose to spite your face?

    :lol:

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.03.09 12:57:31 by Ice (you can leave your hat on!) Reply
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  • @Ollie (Comment 32) : that is very true.
    you want strong local competition – this is where all the talent is coming from but you also want to see this talent playing with springboks.
    but then again we have Vodacom Cup – can it replace CC? :shock:

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.03.09 12:57:54 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Ollie (Comment 32) :

    I agree, not only interesting but damn important as well.

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.03.09 13:00:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 34) : and NZ – 5 each :lol: haven’t figured out bench yet, maybe some rotational system 2 + 2 + 3 and change every week. and one would have to rotate coaches :lol:

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.03.09 13:01:35 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Ice (you can leave your hat on!) (Comment 36) : Yes but that’s what I don’t get. Cut off your nose to spite your face. Don’t you think it sounds like you’re doing something intentionally hurt yourself rather than hurting someone else? It sounds stupid to me. Stupid soutpiele… :roll:

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.03.09 13:04:28 by klempie Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 39) : I had better shut up before I get banned for getting “political”. :roll:

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.03.09 13:05:38 by klempie Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 25) :

    Each conference has 5 teams.

    You play each team in the conference home and away = 8 games.

    The two other conferences (NZ and Aus) has 5 teams each, so apart from playing your local 8 conference games, you will play an additional 5 games against overseas conferences.

    This rotates on an annual basis, meaning if you played this 5 this year, you will play the remaining 5 next year.

    Round Robin = 13 matches.

    Top two of each conference then goes into a play-off situation, 1 plays 6, 2 plays 5, etc.

    Top 4 goes into semi’s and then finalists are determined.

    So in total, the most matches a team could play will be the 13 from the round robin stages, 1 in the play-off games, semi and final – total 16 matches – one more than the current format.

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.03.09 13:08:01 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 42) :

    For a second i thought you were explaining the SANZAR proposal to me. :smile:

    Now I see you are explaining a different proposal to me.

    it makes sense up to a point but there are only 3 conferences.

    So Let’s presume all the local conferences are finished and we are now going into the “5 games against overseas conferences.” portion

    5 SA teams play 5 NZ teams that then gives each of those sides the 13 matches you mention.

    Who do the Australian Conference play against to get their 13 matches?

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.03.09 13:22:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 43) :

    No it will basically gets split as I understand it.

    meaning the Sharks for instance will in 2010 (after the local conference) play the Waratahs, Brumbies, Force, Highlanders and Hurricanes.

    In 2011, the will not play those above mentioned teams but play the 5 they did not play in 2010 meaning each team will play every other team every 2 years.

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.03.09 13:30:40 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 44) :

    As I understand it??????? It is YOUR proposal. :grin:

    The math doesn’t gel with that proposal at all as there will be differening numbers of matches for differing teams the way i look at it.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.03.09 13:43:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • oh crap! when will sa rugby wake up and get out of the mess. we have the crowds and the audiences. lets sell it elsewhere where our teams will get a better deal. or just have a two team series where the top teams from each nation play eachother, we use the cc to decide our teams.

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.03.09 13:57:47 by try time Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 45) :

    No most of it (apart from my incorporation of the CC) is their suggestion, not mine.

    And you weren’t good at maths in school then hey?! :)

    You play 8 games in local conference.

    Since there are two more conferences (5 teams each) it means that you have not played 10 teams in the competition yet.

    You play 5 of those international conference teams in year 1, then the other 5 in year 2.

    They do the same from their side (or it is automatic).

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.03.09 14:06:30 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 45) :

    I did do a proposal for a conference type system a couple of months back – but it is way different than this current one we are discussing.

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.03.09 14:09:45 by Morné Reply
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  • why don’t we link up with argentina? and then have a 6 nation tournie

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.03.09 14:13:25 by try time Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 48) :

    The one you are discussing is different from the one SANZAR have though, that is why i say it has to be yours. :smile:

    The SANZAR one is But if the Super 15 expansion goes ahead, the new format would see each team play every other team once and then split into five-team Australian, New Zealand and South African conferences for a half-round of local matches, followed by the combined six-team finals series. That would mean a 22-week competition which inevitably would spill over into the Currie Cup.


    the new format would see each team play every other team once
    14 pools games + 1 bye

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    and then split into five-team Australian, New Zealand and South African conferences for a half-round of local matches
    4 local derbies for each team with ONE byes as they can’t play themselves and their are only 5 teams

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    followed by the combined six-team finals series

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.03.09 14:17:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 49) :

    RSA, Arg and who are the other 4 nations?

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.03.09 14:18:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 50) :

    Different from the PDF I have ;)

    It might be O’Neill’s own version!

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.03.09 14:20:23 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 50) : Its all about getting more wealth from the little people. More tv rights and sponsorship deals not bums on seats

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.03.09 14:20:23 by rahul Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 52) :

    please paste the extract that explains the fixtures becaseu to me it doesn’t make mathematical sense for the amount of matches per teram.

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.03.09 14:54:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 54) :

    And it’s affecting my spelling :oops:

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.03.09 14:54:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 55) : Maybe you need a break :?: :razz:

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.03.09 15:00:05 by rahul Reply

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  • Tell JON and the Ozzies to fark right off.

    Then ask NZ if they want to revert to a S10, with a 5/5/ split.
    Or a S12 with a 6/6 split, leaving space for the Spears and Manawatu ro whomever they want to put in the comp.

    Then let the Ozzies play with whomever they please.

    Oz has all the issues and all you ever hear about is their problems. Time to cut out the bad apple and get on with it.

    SARU will never allow the CC to be devalued, and rightly so. Same with NZ and the NPC. The CC and the NPC are the respective breeding grounds for SA and NZ’s players and the very reaosn why we’re both better than the Ozzies.

    I dont see the point of playing a final against them if they go to the PAcific-Asia Cup.

    Also dont see how a fiteenth side will in anyway enhance the competition.

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.03.09 18:54:02 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Surely they can cut down our travel costs, surely it should be closer to that of the other nations???

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.03.09 19:13:28 by flop Reply

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  • The Aussies are quite clever. They’ve already realized that a competition over many time-zones does not work for TV broadcasting. As soon as they have enough teams in their region, they will tell SA: “thanks for coming, but we don’t need you anymore.”

    Let’s hope SARU has their NH plan lined up when it happens.

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.03.09 19:46:22 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 57) : Agreed. Let us and the Kiwis run the CC and NPC comps earlier in the year, perhaps top 6 provincial teams from each country, then top 3 from each country play a home and away leg against each other to get to a semi and final. We’d show more interest in their NPC and them in our CC to provide the TV revenue and we just won’t need the Aussies.

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