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Jacobs v Fourie: the big outside battle


Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 18 Mar 2009 at 08:08
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Sharks star Adi Jacobs appears to have stolen the march on fellow Springbok midfielder Jaque Fourie in the big battle for the Bok outside centre berth in the national side.

Since his return to the Bok fold last year after a six-year absence – while Fourie was struggling to overcome his injury setback – the No.13 Green and Gold jersey has belonged to Jacobs.

It was expected that Fourie, now fighting fit again, would lay strong claims to being reinstated as the country’s first choice outside centre in this year’s Super 14 – especially with the British and Irish Lions’ tour to South Africa just months away.

But Jacobs’ form has been such that many pundits feel Fourie will spend the international season as back-up.

And that is unlikely to change, despite the Sharks’ 13-25 loss to the Reds in Brisbane last Saturday. His cause was certainly aided by the fact that on the same day the Lions suffered a humiliating 18-56 reversal at the hands of the Stormers.

However, the revitalised Sharks midfielder is full of praise for his main rival as Bok No.13.

“He is a phenomenal player,” Jacobs told rugby365.com, when asked about his rivalry with Fourie.

“SA have the luxury of having a player of his quality sitting on the bench, it is to the benefit of the Boks if we can push each other to higher levels by trying to keep the other player on the bench.”

Jacobs, looking to add to his 21 Test caps, said it is “always” a great honour to play for your country, but so much more special when there is stiff competition for the position you are in.

“That is the nature of South African rugby,” he said of the rivalry adding: “We are so blessed to have quality players in every position – from No.1 to No.15 – to call on.

“You just need that opportunity to show what talent you have.

“Hopefully we both [Jaque Fourie and myself] will get those opportunities from the Bok coach and when you get that chance you must take it.

“I was blessed to be given another chance to run out at No.13 for South Africa,” he said of his return to the fold last year, after spending six years in the international wilderness.

The 28-year-old Sharks midfield, in Brisbane preparing for the Sharks final Super 14 tour game against the Western Force on Saturday, feels the real strength of South African rugby is the incredible depth they have across the board.

“In most of the key positions there is a lot of quality players that are pushing those players in the starting line-up,” he told rugby365.

“It is when you get that chance you must take it.

“I look at myself, I was out for six years and then I got back into the Bok side and I got that opportunity to show that I deserve to be there.

“Obviously there were some critics who felt I didn’t deserve it – so hopefully I have now proved them wrong.

“The core of the [Bok] squad have depth. Just look at a player like Schalk Burger, he has a couple of youngsters pushing for that position. Or John Smit and Jannie du Plessis.

“It is question of who do you leave out, not who do you select, because there’s so much talent … and the blend is also very good.”

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75 Comments

  • Indeed.

    A very nice problem to have.

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.03.09 09:00:16 by Morné Reply
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  • :neutral: :neutral: :neutral:

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.03.09 09:11:19 by Charlie Reply

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  • I would play Jaque at wing in place of Habana whose terribly out of form. He did really well at wing in the EOYT when he came on as replacement

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.03.09 09:15:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 3) :

    And if Habana regains form?

    And what about the Ndungane’s? They did nothing to deserve being dropped.

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.03.09 09:18:31 by Morné Reply
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  • Happy Birthday Klempie

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.03.09 09:18:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 4) : If Habana regains form, he’s the obvious choice, but I think Fourie offers more than the Ndungane’s. Remember the Scotland and English tests last year, Fourie was sublime

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.03.09 09:20:54 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 3) : @Morné (Comment 4) : What about 15 :?: The Boks need a fullback that can join the line at pace, good under the high ball and a solid defender… :wink:

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.03.09 09:21:51 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 7) : As long as he doesn’t replace Adi :wink:

    Not a bad idea Charlie, he might be a good idea at fullback as well.

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.03.09 09:24:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 6) : @Charlie (Comment 7) : @Pokkel (Comment 8) :

    Ai peoples…

    Do you want me to write another thesis on playing players out of position?

    Jaque is a class 13, up and till his injury the best in the world. Adi took his opportunities and the rule that Jaque now has to perform 5 to 10% better than the incumbent to lift him applies.

    For years under White the two names I would write down first in any of my Bok teams would have been Juan Smith and Jaque Fourie (and obviously the captain Smit).

    Let Jaque battle for the position he is best at.

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.03.09 09:32:01 by Morné Reply
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  • In addition, given his skills Koster could make a great wing… :roll:

    But he is not a #$*@$@ wing!

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.03.09 09:33:10 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 8) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
    But it’s up to the coach :wink:

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.03.09 09:35:25 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 9) : But what will be best for the Boks :?: Surely to have both on the field, and Fourie actually started his rugby as a fullback, so he was playing out of position all along, the same for Jacobs who started as a inside centre :wink:

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.03.09 09:38:14 by Charlie Reply

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  • Morning people :mrgreen:

    HAPPY, HAPPY Klempie :lol: :roll: where’s he :?:

    @Pokkel (Comment 5) : I trust u got the date right.
    this morning I realised that I’ve forgotten my mother’s bday (6 days ago). pathetic creature – still feel very bad about it. :cry:

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.03.09 09:38:15 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 9) : I generally agree that players should not be played out of position, but Fourie has proven himself as a quality wing and showed his class in that position last year. If you have two class players in the same position and a lack off quality in another and the player is capable, why not use him there. I’m no rugby expert, that is just my opinion from what I’ve seen.

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.03.09 09:39:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 13) : OH MY… :shock: YOU NEED TO DO SOME QUICK FIX :evil:

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.03.09 09:39:44 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 12) :

    It sounds almost like Dick Muir saying Steyn is too talented to leave out of the team…

    Need I remind you what happened to him in 2008?

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.03.09 09:40:15 by Morné Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 13) : Look to the left, all bloggers birthdays are displayed there everyday :wink:

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.03.09 09:41:48 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 3) : can we please stop replacing wings with centers or others. :mrgreen:

    last time I checked we have enough capable wings if habs doesn’t performs. both ndungane brothers should be next in the picking order.

    if jacque wants his jersey back let him prove that he’s better than adi – that’s all.

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.03.09 09:42:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 16) : Fourie aint Steyn, totally different players :wink:

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.03.09 09:42:12 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 14) :

    Odwa has never let the side down as a wing, his covering work is excellent and he is a specialist back-three player.

    Jaque is not a wing or fullback, he is proven world class as a 13, not a 14, 11 or 15 – he covered there in crisis.

    Guthro Steenkamp started his rugby as a center! I started as a hooker! (I saw the light…).

    We have specialist on wing and at fullback. Why go the route of ‘versatility’ when ‘specialists’ have been proven time and time again as the best option?

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.03.09 09:43:10 by Morné Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 19) :

    I know, Fourie actually has world class written all over him! :)

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.03.09 09:43:59 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 17) : that’s clever.
    now i know – not only forgetful but semi-blind as well :lol: :oops:

    and happy happy to karelfigo :grin:

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.03.09 09:46:02 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 20) : and JPP was a lock , let’s agree to disagree. True Odwa has not let the team down,but he doesnt have the impact that Fourie has IMO….enough said.

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.03.09 09:48:46 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I think you guys are just scared that Fourie will outplay Adi as the season goes on and reclaim his place as the first choice 13.

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.03.09 09:49:40 by Morné Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 22) : Never seen karelfigo blog so I doubt if he is still active, but happy happy anyway

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.03.09 09:51:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 20) : Specialist at fullback for sure, but they are off the boil :roll:

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.03.09 09:51:12 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 24) : :roll: Bring it on :twisted:

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.03.09 09:52:11 by Charlie Reply

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  • Check the last one…

    This guys choice in music is a bit dodgy but the hand-offs are quite good.

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.03.09 09:52:51 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 24) : I don’t mind who plays 13 as long as it’s the best player in that position in the best interest of the Boks (sorry Charlie). In my book all provincialism goes out the window when it comes to the Boks as long as we have the best possible bok team. I feel sorry for Fourie having to prove himself in the Loser Lions team, he deserves better

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.03.09 09:54:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 29) :

    Now that we agree on

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.03.09 09:56:08 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 29) : though mind u this mediocracy around him makes him look better – he does stand out :!:

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.03.09 09:58:15 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 29) : :wink:

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.03.09 09:59:20 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 20) : i am all for specialists and look how messed ruan and steyn were after being shanted all over backline.
    but also one must remember that there are only 7 reserves to 15 players so some degree of versatility is necessary.

    i seem to recall that in CC game Sharks Bulls in 2007 – the one sharks won with 14 guys :cool: – the bulls run out of backs reserves or sth like that.

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.03.09 10:03:03 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 30) : Sjoe….at last I said something right :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.03.09 10:06:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 34) : Patience, and you will reap the rewards… :wink:

  • Comment 35, posted at 18.03.09 10:14:43 by Charlie Reply

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  • Pokkel is the only one of you mugs to show me some love today! :evil: Not even a kiss from molly. :cry: Nothing.

  • Comment 36, posted at 18.03.09 10:27:42 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 36) : HAPPY BIRTHDAY KLEMPIE, wanted to do it in person, on line :wink: :mrgreen: Have a great day and be Blessed :grin:

  • Comment 37, posted at 18.03.09 10:29:51 by Charlie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 36) : Brother love that is…I think rekinek gave you some love as well.

  • Comment 38, posted at 18.03.09 10:29:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • brotherly :oops:

  • Comment 39, posted at 18.03.09 10:30:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 37) : Klempie has been online for a while…he’s just been sneeking around the site looking for congratulations :wink:

  • Comment 40, posted at 18.03.09 10:31:51 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 36) : excuse me :evil: :wink:

    so even if i say happy happy on time it still does not help :lol:

  • Comment 41, posted at 18.03.09 10:31:57 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 40) : Is that right? LOL :lol: I’ve actually been doing work I’ll have you know.

  • Comment 42, posted at 18.03.09 10:46:34 by klempie Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 41) Ah thanks then. :) I did not see it. Thanks for proving to Pokkel that I haven’t “been sneeking around the site looking for congratulations”.

  • Comment 43, posted at 18.03.09 10:48:04 by klempie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 37) : Thanks bru.. :grin:

  • Comment 44, posted at 18.03.09 10:49:46 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 44) : happy birthday chap

  • Comment 45, posted at 18.03.09 10:53:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 42) : and if I don’t start doing some work right now I might have to start begging for money to pay my DSTV…..cheers all and have a lekker Birthday Klempie :grin:

  • Comment 46, posted at 18.03.09 10:57:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 43) : :grin:

    nothing wrong in sneaking – per se.

  • Comment 47, posted at 18.03.09 10:58:39 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : Thanks china. Last year I had to celebrate it doing installs in miserable Pomland. Thanfully I’m just missing that today. :grin:

  • Comment 48, posted at 18.03.09 11:15:04 by klempie Reply

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  • Where is KSA? I have to brag about the 2.2km I did last night in 9:35. :cool:

  • Comment 49, posted at 18.03.09 11:18:51 by klempie Reply

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  • Happy birthday KLEMPIE!!! :cool:

    Have an AWESOME day boet!!!

  • Comment 50, posted at 18.03.09 11:47:58 by wpw Reply
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  • Happy birthday klempmeister…!!!

  • Comment 51, posted at 18.03.09 11:51:09 by blackshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 50) : @blackshark (Comment 51) :

    Ta dudes. :cool: One year left of youth. :shock:

  • Comment 52, posted at 18.03.09 12:25:34 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 4) : I don’t think the laws allow you to play 2 guys at left wing. Even if they are identical twins.

  • Comment 53, posted at 18.03.09 12:50:37 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 53) : :lol:

  • Comment 54, posted at 18.03.09 13:37:22 by Charlie Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 53) : maybe aussies won’t notice :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 18.03.09 14:08:51 by rekinek Reply
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  • HAPPY BITHDAY KLEMPS!!

    Next year you qualify for the “twenty nine plus VAT” gang… :wink: :mrgreen:

    Have a good trip too!

  • Comment 56, posted at 18.03.09 14:10:25 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
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  • @Ice (B.A Fisherman) (Comment 56) : is he that o.. young :wink:

  • Comment 57, posted at 18.03.09 14:39:00 by rekinek Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 36) : klempie – you’ve successfully turned this tread into your well wishing tread :lol:
    well done man :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 18.03.09 14:40:23 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 57) :

    Whadayamean o… :evil: :lol: I nearly quilify for the 19 plus VAT gang… :mrgreen: :mrgreen: add two decades.. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 59, posted at 18.03.09 14:50:26 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
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  • @Ice (B.A Fisherman) (Comment 59) : just fishing for reaction :wink: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 60, posted at 18.03.09 14:53:42 by rekinek Reply
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  • No discussion – Jacobs. Apart from being the incumbent. Fourie hasn’t set the world alight since returning. He would do well to move to another Union, to actually play with a team that resmbles a rugby team.

  • Comment 61, posted at 18.03.09 14:55:04 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 60) :

    Always fishing!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 18.03.09 15:00:32 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
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  • One for the Stormers on here.. :oops:

    Meraai is ‘n groot Stormers fan. Net die anner dag laat sy vir haar ‘n tattoo maak op elke binnebeen. Schalk Burger op die een been en Ricky Januarie op die ander.
    Toe sy vir Gatiepie op straat raakloop lig sy haar rok op en sê: “Kyk hie! Mooi nê! Kan jy raai wie’s wie?”
    Gatiepie het die storie so gekyk en toe sê hy: “Ek wietie so mooi vannie twee ouens oppie kantie, ma die een innie middel is beslis Luke Watson.

    :oops: :wink:

  • Comment 63, posted at 18.03.09 15:06:41 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
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  • @Ice (B.A Fisherman) (Comment 62) : Fishing forever :lol:

  • Comment 64, posted at 18.03.09 15:07:21 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 64) :

    Have my degree…working on my Masters.. :wink: :lol:

  • Comment 65, posted at 18.03.09 15:21:36 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
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  • @Ice (B.A Fisherman) (Comment 65) : Ney, madam kan mos nie die master oek wil wies ‘ie :roll:

  • Comment 66, posted at 18.03.09 15:43:00 by Charlie Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 55) : I’ve read the line: “play the Nduganes” so many times that I’m not sure the saffas have noticed yet.

  • Comment 67, posted at 18.03.09 15:50:04 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 66) :

    :mrgreen: Se wie??? :twisted:

  • Comment 68, posted at 18.03.09 15:50:55 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
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  • @Ice (B.A Fisherman) (Comment 65) : :cool:

    thank you thank you :!: always believed that I could excel in some fishy subjects :mrgreen:

  • Comment 69, posted at 18.03.09 15:51:04 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Ice (B.A Fisherman) (Comment 68) : Niekie V D Berg – op RSG :razz:

  • Comment 70, posted at 18.03.09 15:52:27 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 70) :

    By die DA, jy meen!! LOL :lol:

  • Comment 71, posted at 18.03.09 15:55:04 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
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  • Goodbye Gents…my day at the office has officially ended..ok in a minute or two!!

    Have a good evening!!

  • Comment 72, posted at 18.03.09 15:56:41 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
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  • @Ice (B.A Fisherman) (Comment 72) : bye bye :sad:
    still stuck under my piles :roll:

  • Comment 73, posted at 18.03.09 15:58:42 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 73) :

    …of work…I hope!! :lol: :wink:

    I can multitask…so no piles.. :wink:

  • Comment 74, posted at 18.03.09 16:00:39 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
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  • @Ice (B.A Fisherman) (Comment 74) : yip – just couldn’t get myself to utter this horrid word starting with “w” :lol:

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