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Ruan must be the kicker


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :2009 Lions Tour, In the news, Springboks on 22 Mar 2009 at 13:00
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Springbok coach Peter De Villiers, has full confidence in Ruan Pienaar’s ability to handle the kicking duties against the British & Irish Lions.

Stephen Nell writes for Die burger that Pienaar started the season as the Sharks’ goal kicker, but a success ratio of 0/3 against the Stormers and 1/3 against the Lions saw Rory Kockott take over the kicking duties on both occasions.

Kockott also stepped to the fore as the designated kicker for the Sharks during their Australasian tour. Pienaar has since damaged his knee ligaments and will be on the list of injured for a couple of weeks.

“You get flyhalves who are playmakers and others who are decision makers. Ruan is both” De Villiers said confidently about Pienaar.

“Ruan, Jean de Villiers and Adi Jacobs are the type of players that might make three errors, but will be able to cross the gainline seven times. For that they need the ball in hand ten times”

“Everyone is crazy about Kockott, but he removes the rest of the backline from play by using each opportunity himself. That is why The Sharks are starting to struggle. Ricky Januarie and Fourie Du Preez succeed in getting the ball to the decision makers quickly”

“THESE are the little things I look at – which of my players are prepared to put another player into a better position than himself”

De Villiers would like to see the Sharks show more trust in Ruan. “Ruan is one of the best. The Sharks aren’t showing confidence in him, they are looking for the easiest way out”

“Ruan kicks the ball accurately. Last year I had no other kicker in my team because I did not need another kicker”

“I accepted he would miss one or two kicks, but he did complete the task”

South Africa lost the 1997 Lions series, in part, because of poor goal kicking.

“I am not worried” De Villiers said.

“We will score tries and ensure that they don’t score tries”

“I don’t want a kicking flyhalf. I want a flyhalf that can ALSO kick”

De Villiers also revealed that the Bulls eighthman, Pierre Spies, saved his career with his good form in the Super 14 series.

Last year De Villiers persevered with Spies despite his poor form at international level

“If he hadn’t shown what he is capable of now, then he would not have made it”

“Last year he was often stopped before crossing the gainline, now he gets across the gainline easier and uses his explosive power through gaps and then passes the ball”

De Villiers is not surprised by the improvement in form that Spies has shown since last year.

“I expected it” De Villiers said.

Spies will have to stay on his toes though.

“Ryan Kankowski is a big part of my future plans. He will never let South Africa down at international level, but he is better when the game is loose. He is still young”



144 Comments

  • I’ll post this bit by Big Fish on here.

    Seriously though – I am not even dwelling on last week’s game so much; every player has an off-day and that may have been Rory’s; but I feel a sign of a good 9 or 10 is the ball that the outside backs get, and they tries they score (look at Giteau and Staniforth yesterday), and we just aren’t getting that kind of try.

    Interestingly, we are mostly scoring against the run of play, and that tells me 2 things:
    Firstly, our backs are good enough to thrive of scraps and make tries out of nothing.

    Secondly, bearing in mind they are good enough to do that, something must be wrong inside of them that they aren’t getting structured scoring opportunities.

    For example, Os said that while Beast is a better all-round player, Guthro is a better ball-carrier.

    I totally disagree – I have seldom seen someone as strong on the drive as Beast – but how often do you see him get flat ball on the charge like FDP delivers?

    I thought Rory did well initially to alleviate responsibility while Ruan and Frans settled, but it strikes me more and more that he is probably just too individualistic by nature, and bearing in mind who is standing outside him, that is unacceptable

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.03.09 13:07:54 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Thanks Oubaas. :wink:

    I noticed this lil bit that didnt make too much sense – didnt want to try editing your Afrikaans, so will leave it to you, hoor:

    “Everyone is crazy about, but he removes the rest of the backline from play by using each opportunity himself. That is why The Sharks are starting to struggle. Ricky Januarie and Fourie Du Preez succeed in getting the ball to the decision makers quickly”

    Als van di beste,

    Jou maatjie Groot Vis (se groete aan almal tuis).

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.03.09 13:21:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 2) :

    Everyone is crazy about RORY KOCKOTT :lol:

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.03.09 13:29:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 3) :
    Shot. :smile:

    Lekker bly,

    GV

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.03.09 13:43:20 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Wat die donner are goings ons here?

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.03.09 13:58:45 by Claytie Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 4) :
    GV :lol:

    Grensvegter? :razz: I thought Stan was Grensvegter? :wink:

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.03.09 14:07:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Claytie (Comment 5) :

    not enough.

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.03.09 14:07:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • hello all. watching the sharks game again now.

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.03.09 14:09:58 by try time Reply

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  • watched parts yesterday and wasn’t impressed with bryce lawrence.

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.03.09 14:10:56 by try time Reply

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  • talking about refs, has anyone noticed that waratah haven’t beaten anyone without an aussie ref. and they say the refs are neutral.

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.03.09 14:12:29 by try time Reply

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  • i don’t know why i am watching it again as these jerseys are ugly.

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.03.09 14:13:43 by try time Reply

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  • swannie impressed me

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.03.09 14:14:06 by try time Reply

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  • swannie plays like barritt. it shows the weakness steyn is. as with swannie at 12 the backline defnce improved.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.03.09 14:15:40 by try time Reply

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  • 2 min 40 in frans misses a tackle and swannie saves the try, as i was saying

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.03.09 14:17:14 by try time Reply

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  • swannie saves yet another try

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.03.09 14:20:09 by try time Reply

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  • ok let me restart and compare defence.

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.03.09 14:20:40 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 10) :

    No hadn’t noticed that stat.

    Maybe because it ain’t correct? :roll: :wink:

    Teams – Waratahs vs Reds
    Venue – Sydney
    Date – Friday, March 06, 2009
    Time – 10:40:00 AM
    Competition – Vodacom Super 14
    Final Score – Waratahs 15 – 11 Reds
    Tries – Waratahs 2 – 1 Reds
    HalfTime Score – Waratahs 10 – 11 Reds
    Crowd – 28109
    Referee – Bryce Lawrence

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.03.09 14:28:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • OK, I can’t argue with PdV about Kockott being individualistic, but to say Januarie delivers better ball to his backs is just a joke. His passes are not snappy, he takes steps toward his flyhalf before passing, and he is very individualistic. In fact his generally accepted strongest point is his terrier attitude and ability, not his feeding of the backs.

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.03.09 14:30:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 18) :

    :smile:

    I agree Kockott should be the Bok half ahead of Januarie by a country mile.

    But to play devils advocate for a second. From PdV’s point of view Would you rather have a half who doesn’t feed the backs or a half who feeds them slightly slower then expected at international level?

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.03.09 14:37:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 18) :Have to agree DB(gawd this is becoming a habit)Thing is Ricki used to have a bullet pass second to none.Dont know where this 3 step wobble pass came from

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.03.09 14:37:47 by Claytie Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 17) : sorry i forgot to say against foreign teams, not derbies.

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.03.09 14:39:31 by try time Reply

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  • Not only does Kockott have a better all round game than Januarie at the moment, he also adds the extra kicking option if Ruan doesn’t fire.

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.03.09 14:40:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 21) :

    Yes but you’ve already made the Refs out to be non-neutral ie. biased i.e cheats.

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.03.09 14:41:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • home time for me, will log in at home again.

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.03.09 14:42:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) : Typical “devil”…..”a half who doesn’t feed the backs”. OK fine then, what was the problem with Kockott’s game against the Reds????? His passes to his backs were poor. Very poor in fact, so it is not fair to say he had a bad game last week because he was worse than usual feeding his backs, and then say the following week that his problem is he never feeds his backs. If he never feeds his backs how could his passes have been poor last week? :razz: :razz:

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.03.09 14:43:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 21) : lucky your bike has so many reverse gears :)

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.03.09 14:44:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 20) : Claytie, against England Rikki was fantastic, didn’t do the three step thing, and his passes were snappy. Problem is that was one game of how many? If he just passed like that, in combination with his terrier like abilities, would make him the best scrumhalf in the world.

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.03.09 14:44:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 27) :Thats how he played when he first played top level,its what made me a fan of his.Used to think he could bullet a ball the length of a rugger field but he had no kicking ability at all.Then he got fat,learnt how to kick and forgot how to pass.

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.03.09 14:48:35 by Claytie Reply
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  • One of my criticisms of Ruan Pienaar at scrumhalf was that he tended to isolate himself when he went on those darting runs. Kockott does not seem to isolate himself as much. The only problem is he takes himself out of the next phase, which generally means that we have to punch it up with a forward until Kockott has freed himself up to feed the backs. Ends up feeding the back on slow ball rather than the quick ball we got from his darting run.

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.03.09 14:50:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 28) : His box kicking is solid. So if he could get back to his bullet passing best………You know he bothers the opposition scrumhalf no matter whom it might be. He is the kind of guy you love to have on your team but hate to play against.

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.03.09 14:52:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Snor hasn’t a clue… Kockott has had a hand in almost every single try the Sharks have scored this season!

    Rory’s pounce, muscle, quick look left/right/forwards and selfless chip for Kanko to score… kept them in the game against the Reds…

    Playing one goal kicker against the Lions… liewe fok… did Snor not watch the 97 series?

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.03.09 14:58:32 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 31) : Apparently we are going to beat the Lions by scoring tries and not letting them score tries. This is the gospel according to PdV. :grin: :wink:

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.03.09 15:00:55 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) : no kockett or januarie should not be boks. both aren’t good enough.

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.03.09 15:06:17 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 33) : Who should be FdP’s backup for the Bok 9 jersey then?

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.03.09 15:11:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : not really. how is a aussie ref or not going to effect a derby where both teams are of the same country. yet the waratahs have lost every game against foreign opposition. but if you want to take the reds game into consideration, then lets look at where they are on the log and tell me they really had a chance against the waratahs no matter who the ref is. but again look at the ref in that game as well bryce lawrence cannot be classified as a ref. in the sharks game, in the first 20 minutes he made 9 poor calls. i’ll send you the game and you can count. the guy is a piss poor ref and should be classified in the league of the aussie refs. talking about reverse gear i want see your response to the sharks after your brutal attack during the week. your foot must be jammed in your mouth. :lol:

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.03.09 15:13:19 by try time Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 23) : nah i think there is too much pressure on the guys to perform well when blowing there own country team. look at the pressure laid on jonker after the supposed off side in the sharks blues game. or the poor ref in the chiefs sharks game that was accused of being scared to be seen as biased so he was soft on the sharks. the aussie refs i would like to look at their records. they have been below par this season.

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.03.09 15:18:27 by try time Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 34) : tough call but i don’t think kockett is up to the level. in yesterdays game he knocked on twice in the first half. still watching the second half now so i’ll tell you if he improves.

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.03.09 15:20:56 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 36) : I’m fairly sure that Bryce Lawrence was the “poor ref” in the Sharks Chiefs game. :grin: In the post before you said that you couldn’t even call him a ref. :wink:

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.03.09 15:23:16 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 34) :

    I know that was directed at TT, but I feel it HAS to be Kockott.

    Let’s hope sense prevails, in 2007 we had 2 SA teams in the S14 Final and were RWC champions. The majority of that RWC squad was made up of players from the two sides in the S14 Final.

    If the Sharks and Bulls make the Finals this year it only stands to reason that the majority of the players should come from there. With them also coincidentally having the best 9′s in the country at the moment.

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.03.09 15:25:08 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 39) : Read my earlier response to you about your “devil’s advocate” criticism of Kockott. :wink:

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.03.09 15:26:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 39) : I agree, my point was to TT when he said that neither Januarie nor Kockott should be Boks. Well, we need at least 2 9s in the squad, so either someone else should be a Bok, or one of them should be a Bok. :lol:

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.03.09 15:31:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I think TT is a bit of a “glass half empty” kind of guy. Instead of looking for players to be Boks, he is looking for players not to be Boks. :grin:

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.03.09 15:33:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) : :lol:

    I just HOPE that Pdv doesn’t select RP as the backup 9 AND 1st choice 10.

  • Comment 43, posted at 22.03.09 15:37:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 40) : :wink:

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.03.09 15:38:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 43) : Ruan Pienaar is so good he should be the 1st choice 9 and 10! :lol:

  • Comment 45, posted at 22.03.09 15:52:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 45) : Just as John Smit should be the first choice 1, 2 and 3. :grin:

  • Comment 46, posted at 22.03.09 15:55:06 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Take Kockott and to a lesser extent Ricky out of the picture… and there isn’t another international standard 9 in RSA…

  • Comment 47, posted at 22.03.09 15:56:18 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 46) :

    With Luke being the looseforwards? :lol:

  • Comment 48, posted at 22.03.09 15:56:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 38) : so you are u saying bryce was good yesterday. i am stating what the guys on reunion were saying not me. they moaned about bryce and jonker. my personal opinion is bryce shouldn’t be reffing this level.

  • Comment 49, posted at 22.03.09 16:02:04 by try time Reply

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  • bryce’s shocking reffing lost the sharks at least two chances of getting the bonus point. i was disappointed when we never got the bp, but then i saw that we never had things really going our way ref wise.

  • Comment 50, posted at 22.03.09 16:04:35 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 49) :

    Lawrence wasn’t as bad as usual yesterday, I had no complaints

  • Comment 51, posted at 22.03.09 16:05:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 47) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 45) : i want to see vermaaks performance, b4 i decide, but i don’t think kockett offers enough to be a bok.

  • Comment 52, posted at 22.03.09 16:07:36 by try time Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) : You got it. Luckily Matfield can cover 4, 5, 11, 12, 13, and 14. We have a bit of a problem at 15 though. :lol:

  • Comment 53, posted at 22.03.09 16:08:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 49) : Nah, just pointing out the irony of one of your posts saying he shouldn’t be the ref, and the very next post referring to him as the “poor ref”. :grin:

  • Comment 54, posted at 22.03.09 16:11:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 52) : Vermaak will get the snot beat out of him on the international stage.

  • Comment 55, posted at 22.03.09 16:11:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • one stat i wanted to know is frans and swannie defence, and after counting tackles, swannie takes it. remember swannie never played the last ten minutes when the sharks spent most the time on defence, so missd a few more chances at tackling. swannie 16 tackles, frans 8 tackles, 2 missed and 2 half tackles that slowed a players down but never stopped them. how much is frans boot worth?

  • Comment 56, posted at 22.03.09 16:12:38 by try time Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 55) : kockett will get a yellow card. and give away tries. he rushes too many decisions. we suddenly don’t have the depth we use to. a bit of a worry.

  • Comment 57, posted at 22.03.09 16:14:58 by try time Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 54) : sorry, i was watching the game, counting tackles and trying to rush decisions.

  • Comment 58, posted at 22.03.09 16:16:16 by try time Reply

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  • sorry rush comments

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  • watching all out rugby and kobus is a comedian he is so ridiculous.

  • Comment 60, posted at 22.03.09 16:17:59 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 57) : Did Rory steal your girlfriend? :wink: :grin:

  • Comment 61, posted at 22.03.09 16:18:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 61) : no i like the guy, but i find him a little arrogant, and rushes decisions which put the sharks under pressure. he has talent, but heneeds to use the people around him and position himself better. he looks amateur when you compare him to fdp. thats y i say we have a depth problem at 9 in sa.

  • Comment 62, posted at 22.03.09 16:21:15 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 62) : In all seriousness, I agree, we do have a depth problem at 9 in SA. And I tend to agree with everything you say about Kockott, just not to the extent you do. When he first came to the Sharks he was incredibly cocky and arrogant. I still honestly believe that a season playing with AJ Is what really helped him mostly get over that. I agree, that arrogance still creeps through from time to time affecting his decision making, but he really is so much better than he used to be.

  • Comment 63, posted at 22.03.09 16:24:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • One thing I have been happy to see is several of the Sharks players having a bit of a laugh with the ref from time to time. Smit, Kockott and Steyn all had a bit of a laugh with Lawrence yesterday at one time or another. It helps put the ref at ease with your team. It is so much better than the Victor Matfield, I’ll just sommer glare at you and scare you into making the calls my way. That just puts a ref’s back up, we want them to feel comfortable with us as a team.

  • Comment 64, posted at 22.03.09 16:26:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 63) : yeah, i was looking at how he could hurt the boks. and those character flaws appear in tight games where the atmosphere is heated. but i would definately have him in my team before januarie. he is even worse under pressure.

    talking about 9, can fdp last a whole season. if he does the bulls are ok, if he goes then i will start betting against them. that guy saves them time and time again.

  • Comment 65, posted at 22.03.09 16:30:17 by try time Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 64) : true, that is very important. thats why smit is such a good captain.

  • Comment 66, posted at 22.03.09 16:31:25 by try time Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 61) :

    No, I don’t think so, but questions have to be asked though.

    “Is there any other Sharks supporter who dislikes more players than TT?”

    And

    Why is TT a Shark supporter? He hardly likes any of the players.

    :roll: :razz: :roll:

  • Comment 67, posted at 22.03.09 16:32:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 65) : Agreed, he is a fantastic player. It wouldn’t surprise me if he was an excellent goal kicker as well.

  • Comment 68, posted at 22.03.09 16:33:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 67) : no i love the forwards, adi, odwa, jp, kockett, ruan and swannie. there is enough skill there to carry the rest of the slackers.

  • Comment 69, posted at 22.03.09 16:34:12 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 66) : I still like Muller’s response to the ref in the Blues game when given a team warning for transgressions at the ruck. Muller said, “But it’s been 25 minutes since we’ve had a penalty!”

  • Comment 70, posted at 22.03.09 16:34:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 67) : look at my comments i only pinpoint 3 guys that i feel are putting the team under pressure.

  • Comment 71, posted at 22.03.09 16:35:28 by try time Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 67) : @try time (Comment 69) : Apparently he only dislikes Steyn and Terblanche. :lol:

  • Comment 72, posted at 22.03.09 16:35:54 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 71) : But of those three you still like Kockott?

  • Comment 73, posted at 22.03.09 16:36:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 70) : yeah that was brilliant. he did that in the currie cup as well. it is good to see he concetrates in the game, but some refs see that as back chat and take offnce.

  • Comment 74, posted at 22.03.09 16:38:10 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 71) : But Terblanche proved he can tackle no?

  • Comment 75, posted at 22.03.09 16:38:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 63) :
    Ricky has won us a few games and brings mongrel and unpredictability to the party as well.

    Rory is similar, but he really does try to do too much on his own. How can anyone justify starving backs like Ruan, Frans, Adi, JPP or Odwa of attacking ball?

    Not only does he take the ball on his own too often, but he also doesn’t direct the forwards enough – guys like Deon and Bismark tend to hold the ball for too long. Can you imagine FDP letting that happen? A 9 should be controlling who gets the ball!

    Now don’t get me wrong – Rory has done loads for the Sharks, and is probably just behind Ricky in the pecking order, and most importantly, he will improve with time. That said, he needs someone to remind him of his primary role – providing other players with good ball with which to attack.

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  • @try time (Comment 74) : I think it is all in the tone presented, and the expression. If the approach is lighter the ref will less likely see it as backchat. Say it with a wink and a smile, point is made but without upsetting anyone. Muller seems to be learning to do this very well.

  • Comment 77, posted at 22.03.09 16:40:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 75) : ok this is the last time i saying this. i like the our half stefan. his defence and reading of the kick is brilliant, it is stefans decision making on attack that bugs me. i would never drop him, but i don’t like it when he comes into the backline when we are on attack.

  • Comment 78, posted at 22.03.09 16:42:22 by try time Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 76) : I agree with everything you said, it is just that Ricky’s 3 step loop pass robs the backs of any attacking opportunities. And he does that far too often. Ricky’s best games are when he just feeds strongly from the base, but that does not happen often enough, for the Boks, it only happened twice last year, against the All Blacks and against England. Other than that, he hurt the Boks by robbing the backs of attacking opportunities.

  • Comment 79, posted at 22.03.09 16:43:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 78) : So we need two 15s? :wink: hehehe just funning guys. I am off now, time to go sailing…Cheers!

  • Comment 80, posted at 22.03.09 16:45:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 67) : :lol: :lol: Yep…he hates Stefan, hates Kockett, hates Steyn, Keegan is too small, Muller not a leader, Adi can’t tackle….jeez are there any good players according to TT?

  • Comment 81, posted at 22.03.09 16:46:07 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 81) : on his left hand side. against the reds he let 2 tries through from missing tackles on his left arm. he missed one yesterday as well. but swannie helped him a lot yesterday by covering him. i think the problem is adi and frans combo in hindsight. maybe i was harsh, but yesterday was the first game he had another guy inside him. swannie reminds me of barritt, nothing much on attack, but his value on defence is priceless.

  • Comment 82, posted at 22.03.09 16:50:33 by try time Reply

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  • @Villie (Comment 81) : i never said i hated any of the guys. i said they have flaws that can and have ruined our chances. i praise muller, but is he the better captain? is steyn worth what he values himself as. i have actually been very fair on steyn this year as i said i would. i have apologised about my opinion on adi, i admit i was wrong. and i am not going to keep explaining my feelings on stefan. and keegan is too small. he definately isn’t deysel. but he is capable and plays with passion. doesn’t mean i hate him. get it right.

  • Comment 83, posted at 22.03.09 16:55:10 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 83) : We’ve all got flaws my boy. Yes. Even you. :wink:

  • Comment 84, posted at 22.03.09 17:17:38 by klempie Reply

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  • damn right, but i don’t have millions of supporters hoping i will perform to the levels i am able to, to win a trophy that should have been mine two years ago. actually i don’t think i have one supporter, but thats ok i don’t get paid. :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 85, posted at 22.03.09 17:24:20 by try time Reply

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  • maybe it is easier being a cheetahs supporter, at least i know my team is kak and is not going to win the trophy. so a victory is special. unlike a sharks supporter that knows his team can win it, but watches it get thrown away at the last moment. but not this year… :lol:

  • Comment 86, posted at 22.03.09 17:28:49 by try time Reply

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    I’m your biggest fan old chap. :wink:

    @try time (Comment 85) : :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 87, posted at 22.03.09 17:41:41 by klempie Reply

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  • ““We will score tries and ensure that they don’t score tries”

    “I don’t want a kicking flyhalf. I want a flyhalf that can ALSO kick”

    This guy really doesn’t have a clue… Boks scored 9 tries to the Lions 3 and STILL lost!

  • Comment 88, posted at 22.03.09 17:51:32 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 88) : :lol: :lol: @klempie (Comment 87) : i’ll send the 100% tt t shirt next week. :lol:

  • Comment 89, posted at 22.03.09 18:58:06 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 89) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 90, posted at 22.03.09 19:08:10 by klempie Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 89) : Me2???

  • Comment 91, posted at 22.03.09 19:12:50 by Me2 Reply

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  • :lol: The official translation by Sport 24. :shock:

    I almost got my translation right word for word :cool: :lol:

    My translation doesn’t put words in PdV’s mouth. :razz:

    Div stands up for Pienaar
    2009-03-22 16:36Email | Print

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    Cape Town – Springbok coach Peter de Villiers has full faith in Ruan Pienaar to handle the goalkicking in the series against the British and Irish Lions.

    Pienaar started the Super14 as the Sharks’ goalkicker, but success ratios of 0/3 against the Stormers and 1/3 against the Lions meant that scrumhalf Rory Kockott had to take over from him on each occasion.

    Kockott started the tour of New Zealand and Australia as the Sharks’ goalkicker. Pienaar has subsequently injured knee ligaments and will be sidelined for a few weeks.

    “You get flyhalves that are playmakers and others that are decision-makers. Ruan is both,” De Villiers said in a powerful vote of confidence in Pienaar.

    “Ruan, Jean de Villiers and Adrian Jacobs are the kind of players that will maybe make three mistakes but cross the advantage line seven times. He needs the ball in his hands on 10 occasions.

    “Everybody is going crazy about Kockott, but he is taking the rest of the backline out of the game by using every opportunity himself. That is why the Sharks started struggling (against the Reds).

    “Ricky Januarie and Fourie du Preez get the ball to their decision-makers quickly. Those are the little things I’m looking at – who of my players are prepared to put a team-mate in a better position than him in possession.”

    De Villiers would like to see the Sharks show more confidence in Pienaar.

    “Ruan is one of the best. The Sharks don’t back him (as a goalkicker). They look for the easiest solution,” said De Villiers.

    “Ruan strikes the ball sweetly. I did not have another kicker at the end of last year because I did not need another one.

    “I accepted Ruan may miss one or two kicks, but he did the job for us.”

    South Africa lost the 1997 series to the Lions partly because of poor kicking.

    “I am not worried. We will score tries and see to it that they don’t,” said De Villiers.

    “I’m not looking for a flyhalf that can kick. I’m looking for a flyhalf that can also kick.”

  • Comment 92, posted at 22.03.09 20:10:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 88) : Goalkicking is VITAL in international rugby as it’s usually the difference between winning and losing the series. The series against the Lions is likely to be tight so could well come down to goalkicking.
    PDV should remember that a try is worth 5 points…only 2 more than a penalty!! :roll: :shock:

  • Comment 93, posted at 22.03.09 21:51:04 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 93) :

    Yep I’m sorry but Snor speaks so much Kuk I’m hoping it’s simply jsut a case of lost in translation!

    Did he watch the 97′s series… has he since watched the 97′ series…

    Remember the second test when the Lions took the series?

    Boks 3 tries no conversions 15 pts
    Lions 5 penalties 18pts…

    De Beer was then chosen and we thumped them in the last test… but too late…

  • Comment 94, posted at 23.03.09 02:11:01 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 94) :

    From the way it was translated elsewhere it certainly WAS lost in translation. He said anything but “I only need one kicker” :grin:

    I am certain he will have more than one kicker in his Lions squad

  • Comment 95, posted at 23.03.09 05:35:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • morning all :!:
    what a great weekend :
    sharks won
    got 5/6 on SB (only underestimated bulle or overestimated hurricanes :wink:
    lions won
    ireland got grand slam
    LOVELY

  • Comment 96, posted at 23.03.09 07:11:30 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 96) :

    Hey.

    5/6 for me on SB as well. :cool:

    Ireland robbed me of winning the Sharksworld 6N Pool :sad: :wink:

  • Comment 97, posted at 23.03.09 07:13:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • on the topic though :
    I think I already expressed myself a week before.
    I cannot disagree with Pdv. Rory – too individualistic.
    I thought that he would stop trying so much on his own now that he has No 9 jersey for himself, then I thought that he did it to get noticed for the boks (that seems to be backfiring).

    hopes the guy reads it and jp and odwa get many more tries.

  • Comment 98, posted at 23.03.09 07:16:40 by rekinek Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 97) : :???: about your 6N pool
    which one didn’t you get on SB :?:

  • Comment 99, posted at 23.03.09 07:19:45 by rekinek Reply
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  • the other issue that I do not like why is Pdv sticking his nose into sharks camp. if he has an issue shouldn’t he call plum and discuss instead of talking to the press. :roll:
    aren’t they suppose to work together to a degree

  • Comment 100, posted at 23.03.09 07:22:40 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 98) :

    I actually am not to sure where I stand on this.

    On the one hand Kockott’s current style of play is getting him a LOT of exposure for being involved with MOST of the Sharks’ tries.

    On the other hand if he spread the ball to his backline as a more routine option then we MAY get more tries by our outside backs. JPP is already the leading try scorer in the comp. What would he do with regular ball?

    So in short, we are winning with Kockott’s style of play, but could we maybe be winning with BPs if he spread the ball more often?

    MY answer: I don’t know.

  • Comment 101, posted at 23.03.09 07:23:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 94) : I think he simply knows that ruan can kick.
    he did well on EYT and during CC

  • Comment 102, posted at 23.03.09 07:25:44 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 99) :

    The Bulls screwed me over. They always do :wink:

  • Comment 103, posted at 23.03.09 07:27:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 101) : fair enough.
    I think we would – but that we will only see if rory starts spreading the ball. and that would give backs more confidence also. methinks

  • Comment 104, posted at 23.03.09 07:29:32 by rekinek Reply
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  • chat later – need to go to work :???:

    last thing – we won second time with bryce refereing – i start getting worried. :lol:

  • Comment 105, posted at 23.03.09 07:31:06 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 102) :

    Bryce is still reeling from PdV supposedly saying “I only need one kicker” when he ACTUALLY said “Last year I had no other kicker in my team because I did not need another kicker”.

    PdV WILL have more than one kicker in his Lions squad I am sure of that.

    Well I HOPE he does. I just have more faith in him than most. :smile:

  • Comment 106, posted at 23.03.09 07:31:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 106) :

    I think he will probably select Grant as back up to Ruan this time around. What do you think???

    No way is Earl Rose a test flyhalf.

    I’d prefer Butch as the starting 10 though!!! :roll:

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 106) :

    That’s a bit part…

    “I am not worried. We will score tries and see to it that they don’t,” said De Villiers.

    Boks scored 9 tries to Lions 3 and got done… game two the decider Boks scored 3 tries to Lion zero… they kicked 5 penalties to take it…

    There-in lies my rant…

    ““Ruan is one of the best. The Sharks don’t back him (as a goalkicker). They look for the easiest solution,” said De Villiers.”

    WTF… easiest solution… choosing the second best goal-kicker in the entire comp makes sense… we want to win and not be handicapped…

    ““Ricky Januarie and Fourie du Preez get the ball to their decision-makers quickly”

    Kockotts pass is twice as quick as RJ’s two step slow flick… and he passes equally well in both directions RJ doesn’t…

    It’s no coincidence Rory is behind only Leonard out of the total half-backs stats… RJ is not even in the top 10…

    Pull the other one Snor…

  • Comment 108, posted at 23.03.09 08:07:10 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 107) :

    Grant is the Neil Mckenzie of flyhalves… :twisted:

  • Comment 109, posted at 23.03.09 09:25:52 by blackshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 107) :

    There is also Morne Steyn, but I suspect (HOPE) he doesn’t fit PdV’s gameplan.

    If he doesn’t get Butch to come home for the series then RP should be 1st choice and Grant backup.

    Butch is doing EXTREMELY well in the NH, not only will his confidence be right up there, but he will also be very familiar with most of the opposition players.

  • Comment 110, posted at 23.03.09 09:28:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 109) :

    As in. Being kept in the side well past his due date? :lol:

    i’m afraid he is the 2nd best in SA at the moment if you exclude Morne Steyn, who is NOT a running flyhalf.

  • Comment 111, posted at 23.03.09 09:29:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 107) : I still wonder why Morne Steyn NEVER gets a mention when it comes to the Boks…..true he doesn’t seem to have BMT , but he needs to be involved with the Bok set-up. He has an alround good Flyhalf game….kicks well, defends well, distributes well. And he is only 23 or 24 years old.

  • Comment 112, posted at 23.03.09 09:30:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 111) :

    De Waal is knocking on the 2nd spot door as well but that should be an indication that we are lacking depth rather than an indication that he is a great flyhalf

  • Comment 113, posted at 23.03.09 09:30:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 111) : I don’t agree. Morne Steyn might not be the classic running flyhalf, but he distributes well and Meisiekind seems to be getting decent ball from him

  • Comment 114, posted at 23.03.09 09:35:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 109) :

    hahahahahaha

    Ja right.

    Ruan is the Andrew Hudson of flyhalves. :mrgreen: :shock:

  • Comment 115, posted at 23.03.09 09:38:59 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 112) :

    He is a Bull. I rest my case!!! :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 116, posted at 23.03.09 09:40:36 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 116) : I thought so…..and I hate the Bulls just as much as the next guy….but he play some very decent rugby and he doesn’t seem as arrogant as the rest of the Bulls team.

  • Comment 117, posted at 23.03.09 09:52:37 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 113) : and de Waal is a running flyhalf :?: :?: :?: :?: :shock: :shock:

  • Comment 118, posted at 23.03.09 09:54:01 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 110) : @wpw (Comment 116) : You guys need to take off your provincial glasses of and replace them with your Bok glasses and then start commenting on anything related to the Springboks

  • Comment 119, posted at 23.03.09 09:56:16 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 119) :

    My comment was not based on him being a Bull rather on him have a VERY good track record of fading away in pressure games.

  • Comment 120, posted at 23.03.09 10:01:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 119) :

    Seriously though I just don’t rate him.

    If the Bulls didn’t have such good forwards and a world class scrum half he would struggle big time. :roll:

  • Comment 121, posted at 23.03.09 10:01:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 113) : Ypu seem to be qouting PdV alot lately? :wink:
    Question is…is there any other decent flyhalf in the country? We know Ruan can kick, he must just practice and the coaches must let him kick whether he misses or not!

  • Comment 122, posted at 23.03.09 10:08:53 by Rahul Reply

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  • Monday typing… Not good :!:

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  • @wpw (Comment 121) :

    No Steyn at flyhalf for the Boks please…whether it’s Morne or More-hair Steyn.

    I was joking about Grant – but he needs to add more spark to his game…

    BTW – who’s gonna stop that man in your avatar? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 124, posted at 23.03.09 10:13:24 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 122) :

    Provided any of his missed kicks don’t cost the Sharks any points then I am all for it. :wink:

  • Comment 125, posted at 23.03.09 10:14:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 125) : It will. Did frenchy kick well in the currie cup… did he kick at all? Memory is fading faster than I thought :???:

  • Comment 126, posted at 23.03.09 10:22:25 by Rahul Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 121) : Where is the cricket thread :mrgreen:

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 125) :

    You mean log points, right? :mrgreen:

    Ruan is a great goalkicker…but it doesn’t hurt to have backup for any situation ( missing kicks/ injury ).

    I see the “Fans of Rory” banner is not flying high around here these days…and I have to say – I don’t quite understand why. He’s been doing pretty well so far and should definitely be in the running for a call up. I reckon it’s a tight fight between him and Ricki but RJ probably sneaks it on experience.

  • Comment 128, posted at 23.03.09 10:25:34 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 122) : coaches must let him kick whether he misses or not? Surely you jest?

    I don’t fancy the Sharks losing Super 14 games because we persist with an out-of-form goal kicker just to keep de Villiers happy.

  • Comment 129, posted at 23.03.09 10:27:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 124) :

    No one can stop him. Not even Vidic??? :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 130, posted at 23.03.09 10:28:49 by wpw Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 127) :

    You sure you don’t want a football thread??? :wink:

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  • @robdylan (Comment 129) : Thats exactly what I’m saying. Give it two weeks and he wont be missing anything. Ruan can kick from the touchline and put it in the middle of the sticks. He just needs to find that form again with practice and he will become the undisputed no 10 in the bok squad.

  • Comment 132, posted at 23.03.09 10:35:27 by Rahul Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 131) : Football, whats that? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 133, posted at 23.03.09 10:36:58 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 132) : yeah, but you practice your goal-kicking during practice, not during the match.

  • Comment 134, posted at 23.03.09 10:45:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 132) :

    Practice? You mean that thing they do for the whole week before a match?

    I’m with Rob here, I don’t really get what PdV is trying to say about Sharks “taking the easy way out”. We are trying to win the damn Super 14 here ! :twisted:

  • Comment 135, posted at 23.03.09 10:47:22 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 134) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 136, posted at 23.03.09 10:48:11 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 134) : you actually need to practise during games as well – it’s completely different situation than during practice.

    and sofar ruan hasn’t cost us a game by missed kicks and maybe if plum just stuck with him he would win us some. but that decision must be made at the beginning of the season and not during finals or so.

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  • @blackshark (Comment 135) : we’ll have better chances if backs play as well :mrgreen:

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  • @robdylan (Comment 134) :
    @blackshark (Comment 135) :
    What I am saying is, there is obviously not enough focus on kicking in practice. Different tactical ideas from Plum or not considered important enough to spend too much time on it. My memory is fading but there was a flyhalf 12 or so years ago who would stay after practice alone to improve his kicking. It will then take a couple of games for Ruan to get his BMT back (for kicking that is. One loss due to a missed kick after the hooter will do him the world of good – even though its a loss. I REALLY DONT WANT TO LOOSE, but I will take one loss now if it means we lift the trophy :mrgreen:

  • Comment 139, posted at 23.03.09 12:58:07 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 139) : i think the kickers stay after “general” practice to work on kicking. the thing is that then they usually get between the sticks.

    guys like m steyn, grant (and even kockott when he started in CC 2007) got enough time to “practice” during games simply because there was no other option in a team. and they were missing too. so it would be fair to give ruan same treatment.

    do u remember kockot missing penalty that would give us a win over hurricanes last year :?:

  • Comment 140, posted at 23.03.09 13:21:11 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 140) : I don’t agree with a number 9 kicking at all. They generally have enough on their plate already (More than no. 10 – 15). I’m not at the practises so I can only speculate.

    do u remember kockot missing penalty that would give us a win over hurricanes last year

    I do remember saying my memory was not so good anymore :mrgreen:

  • Comment 141, posted at 23.03.09 13:38:53 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 141) : i do not go for practices either – so i’ve heard. besides the sharks had this league guru to help them out – so kicking must be quite a priority.

    i have no problem with 9 kicking. though flyhalf does make more sense.

    and about memory – so u must take my word for it :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 142, posted at 23.03.09 13:44:45 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 142) : not sure Andrew Johns is helping out with place-kicking at all… could be wrong

  • Comment 143, posted at 23.03.09 14:04:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 143) : but u could be right :lol:
    i thought it was whole kicking package but not sure either

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