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IRB to fix uncontested scrums?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content on 7 Apr 2009 at 12:07
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There’s a fair bit of talk that the IRB want to introduce a 23-man squad to ensure that teams always have a fit complement of front-rowers. I’m not sure exactly how this is meant to work.

The idea is pretty simple: instead of seven subs on the bench, a team will have eight, with at least three of them being front rankers. This means you’re guaranteed to have cover for all three positions in the front row and, in theory, this should nullify the Stormers’ main attacking weapon this season – the uncontested scrum.

Now, the idea is that a team can still only call on a maximum of sevens subs during the course of the game, so if you do lose two props during the course of the game, that’s just tough tackie, you’ll need to go without one of your other replacements. What happens if you’ve already used up all 7 and a prop goes down? According to the description I’ve seen, you will be allowed to use your prop replacement anyway, leading to an effective 8 substitutions during a game. This is, of course, unfair. Hands up everyone who agrees that we’ll see this one exploited to the fullest – in fact, it would probably make more sense to just allow all 8 reserves to be used and get it over with.

Although this proposed change is a reasonable approach to take, I think it is essentially the wrong way to solve the problem. I would rather look at a system of fining a team who forces uncontested scrums – or worse, docking log points. You could put 8 props on the bench and Rassie Erasmus would still find a way to injure ALL of them sufficiently to ensure no contest at scrum time. Rather that than face up to the reality that his team has a serious issue in the front row – one that no amount if buying of has-been flyhalves, wingers and loose forwards is going to solve.



27 Comments

  • What happened to the days of a total scrum reshuffle when the prop went off? How about a Five meter rule? If your own scrum is pushed back 5 meters because your props are off, then your backline is offside and penalty to opposition. That will stop the props going off.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.04.09 12:15:14 by Rahul Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 1) : I reckon there need to be more “hooker-porps” like John Smit and Frik Venter…

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.04.09 12:21:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • Kom nou Jan (Player 23), it’s cruch time :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.04.09 12:22:11 by Charlie Reply

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  • Shame on you Mr Erasmus….when you were with the Cheetahs and you had fatties by the tons you were bending the laws and giving them “fatty get your breath back breaks” – sending them off and on with fake injuries and now when you only have bluff bluff fatties at the Stormers you are resorting to fake injuries to get uncontested scrums when your are getting plummeled up front.

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.04.09 13:30:57 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 4) : yeah – maybe they should rather just chuck Rassie out of the game and the problem would solve itself

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.04.09 13:38:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • uncontested?? Im kinda lost, are the stormers scrum too weak or are they weakening the other teams too much? :confused: agree that u either use 8 of the bench or stick to 7, period. Sorry for the teams who has uncontested lazy scrumagers

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.04.09 15:22:12 by JarsonX (tantric shark) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : Yes probably correct, its embarassing that the mangement see it as a solution to our never ending light five woes.

    I have lost faith. The last year i buy season tickets.

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.04.09 15:52:08 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : There will be more players who can fill more rolls if they are penalised on the field and not after the game. If the uncontested scrum is abolished (or at least used sparingly) then players will adapt

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.04.09 15:55:52 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 8) : yeah… you heard about the French solution, right? Just ban uncontested scrums… if people get hurt, tough shit!

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.04.09 16:02:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : The french came up with that!?! They cant fight a war, how they gonna scrum with a wing at prop? Im not much of a front row expert :oops: but there has to be players that can play prop?

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.04.09 16:06:59 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 10) : he he he… :)

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.04.09 16:09:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 10) : with french flair :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.04.09 16:14:31 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 12) : le he he…

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.04.09 16:21:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • What a monumentally kak idea.

    Presumably, as with all these wonderful “ideas” they’ll be flowing down to club rugby where there is already a perennial shortage of front-rowers.

    Yet now you need to have three extras on the bench?

    So for a small club with three teams you need 18 front-rowers every weekend? And only 3 flyhalves?

    I really wish these knobends at the IRB would realise that rugby is a lot more the few hundred pros that play each weekend.

    and if so many frontrowers are getting injure din one game then isn’t it fairly obvious that one scrum is much stronger than the other?
    And with such a mismatch between packs you want bring your sixth choice frontrower into the game under those circumstances?

    This will lead to more injuries, not less. And will lead to a lot of players spending game after game gathering splinters.

    The solution is to catch Rassie doing it and then yellow card him, ban him, fine him or just stone him.

    But stop fecking around with the game.

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.04.09 17:05:16 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 14) : yeah – I agree with you. Imagine ending up as a specialist “number 23″… you spend your f*cking LIFE sitting on the bench as an unwanted (and for the most part unneeded) insurance policy.

    Braai a few weeks after Easter? How does that sound?

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.04.09 17:12:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • im still lost here, havnt really watched any stormers game this year, what is it that rassie may or may not be doing?

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.04.09 17:45:28 by JarsonX (tantric shark) Reply
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  • @JarsonX (tantric shark) (Comment 16) : ok dude… do you know what an uncontested scrum is?

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.04.09 18:01:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : maybe he doesn’t do swear words :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.04.09 18:28:05 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : im actualy afrikaans, way i understand it is, only 1 team is competing for the ball. The way it sounds to me is, the stormers scrums is not being contested which means to me: the stormers opponents is not competing for the ball, lol, blame it on my uncontested lack for an education during my teens

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.04.09 18:40:29 by JarsonX (tantric shark) Reply
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  • @JarsonX (tantric shark) (Comment 19) : come to think of it, i actually understand what it means, it just sounds wrong :lol: :twisted:

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.04.09 18:43:49 by JarsonX (tantric shark) Reply
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  • @JarsonX (tantric shark) (Comment 19) : na dude. If either team can no longer field a fit front row, the ref will need to call for uncontested scrums as a safety measure. This means neither team is allowed to push in the scrum and the ball will be won by the team putting it in

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.04.09 19:02:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hell you okes are getting emotional over nothing.

    I for one think it is a great idea.

    In fact, I thought Eddie Moans’ idea of 10 subs was a grand idea.

    Let me do an arti on it and piss all of you off in one go rather than blabbing on in the comments section!

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.04.09 19:16:48 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : what they call that in afrikaans? Thanx for explaining. Thats what happens when u have to go without watching for years

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.04.09 19:19:25 by JarsonX (tantric shark) Reply
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  • @JarsonX (tantric shark) (Comment 23) :

    non-kompeteerende skrums

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.04.09 19:23:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 24) :

    hell my afrikaans sucks

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.04.09 19:26:38 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : ‘Imagine ending up as a specialist “number 23?…’

    And Vodacom’s ad will be totally ruined!

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.04.09 09:41:26 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 26) : it was pretty bad to begin with :-)

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.04.09 10:33:56 by robdylan Reply
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