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Erasmus out, White in?


Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :In the news, Stormers, Super 14, WP on 16 Apr 2009 at 13:52
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Former Springbok coach Jake White is being strongly touted as the next Stormers coach – but incumbent Rassie Erasmus has denied rumours that he wants out of his Western Province contract and that he is on his way to join a rugby franchise in the Eastern Cape.

Speaking from Wellington, New Zealand, where his Stormers team are preparing for their fourth Super 14 tour game against the Hurricanes, Erasmus said he wanted to complete his three-year contract with WP.

“I am only a couple of months into my second season with WP. We have lost a few close games and I am unhappy about that, because I know we should be doing a lot better and we have not progressed as I would have liked, but that does not mean I am going to bail out,” said Erasmus.

“As with all contracts, there will be an evaluation after the Super 14, not just of me, but of all aspects of the Stormers and where the Stormers are going. Obviously, if it is decided that I am not up to taking the Stormers to the top, then I will have to step aside.

“But if that is the case, I would be surprised. There are also still five games to go this season, and hopefully we can use those to finish on a high.”

It is no secret that Erasmus is being head-hunted by the Eastern Cape franchise, which is still hoping to be awarded Super 14 status.

But Erasmus moved to Cape Town from Bloemfontein so he could be better placed to pursue his dream of winning the Super 14. It would not make sense for him to move to a franchise that is not guaranteed Super 14 status. He has also said he has no interest in coaching only in the Currie Cup.

“I do have to consider my options. I would be stupid if I didn’t. Every coach has to do that, just like every player has to. You need to keep your options open otherwise you get caught out if the province you are contracted to decides it doesn’t want you.”

Apart from the Eastern Cape, it is understood that Erasmus is also being targeted by some overseas clubs. While the Stormers have lost six of their eight games this season, and some question Erasmus’s ability to handle the pressure of being Stormers coach, he is highly respected by fellow top coaches, who rate him as one of the top rugby brains in the country.

Erasmus’s assurances that he wants to continue with WP come at a time when rugby has been rife with talk of him bailing out, with some top rugby people saying that White is being primed to take over.

WP officials say, however, they have faith in Erasmus and are reluctant to contemplate a change now.

“We have to give Rassie a chance. Let’s not forget that up to now he has yet to work with a squad that has been fully contracted by him. From later this year that will change,” said a top source.

Former Springbok coach White, who has been out of rugby in any serious capacity since masterminding the World Cup triumph in 2007, has made it known that he is eager to coach at the highest level again. He has also said he wants to remain in the Cape.

But while it has been learned that there was a brief contact between White and a top WP official – at the instigation of White – highly placed sources have denied that White is being engaged in negotiations to take over from Erasmus.

It appears that the rumour was started in Joburg, where the Lions Rugby Union wants White as a high- profile replacement for Loffie Eloff. It is believed Lions officials became incensed when White told them he wanted the Stormers job – and they assumed this meant the Stormers were negotiating with White.

This article was originally published on page 1 of The Cape Argus on April 16, 2009



65 Comments

  • If this is true what are the chances of Luke playing for WP or the Stormers??? :???: :roll:

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.04.09 13:54:18 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 1) : Who else are better then L :shock: :shock: K @the moment in Breeze country :roll:

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.04.09 14:00:25 by Charlie Reply

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  • I can’t think of anything more insufferably arrogant and annoying than a Jake White-coached WP side…

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.04.09 14:03:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 2) : Jake rates Hilton Lobberts and AJ Venter more highly as loose forward options.

    I’m not even joking

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.04.09 14:03:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 1) :

    Zero :cool:

    At least he will then be assured of his place in the Kings squad being coached by a “dutchman” :lol:

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.04.09 14:04:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Seems like just another on of the ‘jobs’ Mr White is in line for.

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.04.09 14:06:00 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) :
    Agreed.
    @wpw (Comment 1) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 5) : Disagree, now that Jack and Luke share a hymn book I think you will find that Luke has also grown in stature, at least in Jakes eyes.

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.04.09 14:22:06 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 7) :

    Who’s this Jack guy? :wink:

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.04.09 14:23:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Seriously though Luke WOULD play for WP under White, IMO.

    Luke is one of the best in CT at the moment so he would play, but that still wouldn’t make him good enough to play in JW’s Bok side.

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.04.09 14:25:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 7) :

    Not buying that at all. :???:

    Wonder who will be Jake’s first signing.

    He will play Percy cos he has 10 000 test points and 200 test caps. :shock:

    He will bring Butch James to Slaapstad and in doing so deliver the CC in his first season as coach (next year)

    Also look out for De Wet Barry making his comeback at the age of 39. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.04.09 14:25:49 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) :

    Being the best in a side that is 11th on the S14 log is about as significant as saying I am the best referee in KSA. :oops:

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.04.09 14:26:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) :

    Salmonhead had too much ‘Jake’ Daniels last night!! :twisted:

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.04.09 14:27:08 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 12) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.04.09 14:31:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : The current Sharks lot? :razz:

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.04.09 14:40:29 by Claytie Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 10) : Is The Law still playing?

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.04.09 14:42:46 by Claytie Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 14) : *chuckle*

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 11) : so are you?

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.04.09 14:43:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • he is highly respected by fellow top coaches, who rate him as one of the top rugby brains in the country.

    No-one ever disputed that.

    But the best rugby brains does not always make the best rugby coaches…

    I will say it again, Rassie needs a mentor, he will then come on in leaps as a coach.

    Make Jake DOR of WP rugby, retain Rassie as coach – give him a sounding board, preferrably someone technically minded like Jake.

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.04.09 14:49:35 by Morné Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 15) :

    Not sure. :???:

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.04.09 14:49:54 by wpw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 17) :

    Alan Zondagh??

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.04.09 14:51:08 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 19) :

    I think those bridges have been burned dude…

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.04.09 14:53:38 by Morné Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 19) : Jerome Paarwater :!:

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.04.09 14:54:06 by Claytie Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 15) & @wpw (Comment 18) : Still playing for the Harlequins if I’m not mistaken.

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.04.09 15:02:54 by molly Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 15) :

    De Wet is still on their books according to their website. :cool:

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.04.09 15:05:58 by wpw Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 21) :

    How about NO?? :wink:

  • Comment 24, posted at 16.04.09 15:07:03 by wpw Reply
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  • Harlequins V Sale Sharks, Friday 17th April. Kick off 19.45.
    1 CERI JONES
    2 GARY BOTHA
    3 MIKE ROSS
    4 JAMES PERCIVAL
    5 GEORGE ROBSON
    6 CHRIS ROBSHAW
    7 WILL SKINNER (CAPT)
    8 NICK EASTER
    9 ANDY GOMARSALL
    10 WAISEA LUVENIYALI
    11 UGO MONYE
    12 DE WET BARRY
    13 GONZALO TIESI
    14 DAVID STRETTLE
    15 TOM WILLIAMS

    16 TANI FUGA
    17 MARK LAMBERT
    18 JIM EVANS
    19 TOM GUEST
    20 DANNY CARE
    21 SEB STEGMAN
    22 JORDAN TURNER-HALL

  • Comment 25, posted at 16.04.09 15:07:27 by wpw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 20) :

    Tell us more!!! :roll:

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.04.09 15:08:03 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) :
    :oops: Jack is Jakes reformed boetie.
    @wpw (Comment 12) :
    Careful, KSA doesnt like the s after Daniel, even when it comes to whisky.

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.04.09 15:10:25 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 26) :

    Dude people do not get fired in WP rugby because of incompetence!

    They get fired because they do not toe the line…

    If Rassie does go, it will all be about a PR exercise by WP rugby to keep fans and sponsors happy, it will be a high profile coach, like White, or Mitchell, or Heyneke.

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.04.09 15:11:30 by Morné Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 25) :

    Go De Wet you YSTER!

    Best 12 in world rugby in 2004.

  • Comment 29, posted at 16.04.09 15:14:46 by Morné Reply
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  • Thought Somerset West wine and a former Miss SA plus money will keep Jake in the Cape. Saw this one coming from miles. :idea:

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.04.09 15:30:04 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 6) : exactly !
    didn’t he say on boots that he is not looking for coaching job now but wants to concentrate on coaching coaches

    @molly (Comment 22) : did “they” make u to change the pic :lol:

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.04.09 15:42:54 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 27) :

    sharp one!!! lol

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.04.09 15:43:58 by wpw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 29) : that was, admittedly, a LONG time ago.

    Poor man’s Trevor Halstead

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.04.09 15:45:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) :

    hahahaha

    And yet De Wet is the one with the Tri Nations and CC medals.

    Poor Trev! :twisted:

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.04.09 15:48:59 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 34) : Hey you lot talking about our Gimmie legend here. :roll:

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.04.09 15:54:33 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) :

    YES I AM!

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.04.09 18:04:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 36) :

    But I am also the ONLY one. :lol:

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.04.09 18:05:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • But Erasmus moved to Cape Town from Bloemfontein so he could be better placed to pursue his dream of winning the Super 14

    Well the only way he will manage that is to join the Sharks or the Bulls JUST befre the last game of the season is being played.

    Rassie is a magician alright. It would take a magician to get a team with so many Boks to NOT perform.

    Think Steauli and his Paranoia about press and security and the drop in form by the Boks. I see the same paranoia in Erasmus and Erasmus

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.04.09 18:10:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • If a team with so many Star players is playing so badly it means IMO that the coach sucks or Their are major undercurrents in the team.

    We KNOW the coach sucks.
    I suspect there ARE major undercurrents at work here. You had the pre-season Dutchman saga. Now you have most of the players playing like schoolboys instead of Springboks and the one guy who I believe is the cause of the disharmony is playing like a star. Makes me wonder if the other players aren’t pissed at his inclusion.

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.04.09 18:15:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 39) : interesting point :evil: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.04.09 18:19:37 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 39) : spot on

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.04.09 18:24:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) :

    When you back in the UK?

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.04.09 18:33:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Jake in the Boots & All studio again tonight.

    I hope they ask for his opinion on the news in this article.

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.04.09 20:34:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • VALID POINT JAKE

    “If you look at their play, it is always a forward getting the ball from the scrumhalf and then you have people complaining that the flyhalf is not taking control of the game”

    (And the video clip he showed proved the point 100%)

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.04.09 20:44:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Jake:” I think stats in the wrong person’s hands are dangerous” :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

    I bet he is refering to Rassie. :wink:

  • Comment 45, posted at 16.04.09 20:46:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Jake not happy with Stormers having a small #8 last week in the heavy weather. Should be Duanne Vermeulen. :cool:

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.04.09 20:48:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 42) : now

  • Comment 47, posted at 16.04.09 20:55:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : :lol:

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.04.09 21:01:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The closest they came to discussing Rassie’s future was Darren saying that there was talk about the Stormers management going over to get involved and there was speculation about his future and that that was disspelled today.

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.04.09 21:04:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) : busy with the looong trip home from heathrow

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.04.09 21:05:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) :

    I’m busy with the match threads, won’t have time in the am, have a training ride or run to do. Weather is a but sucky (Dust) so will decide in the am depending on the weather

  • Comment 51, posted at 16.04.09 21:08:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 51) : thanks.

  • Comment 52, posted at 16.04.09 21:10:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting point made by Darren.

    The Waratahs still have 3 games to play on the road in SA. :cool:

    unfortunately two of their opponents are the Lions and the Cheetahs :sad:

  • Comment 53, posted at 16.04.09 21:17:09 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 53) :

    We can only hope Grobler and Fourie are back for that game.

  • Comment 54, posted at 16.04.09 21:17:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 53) : cheetahs are a good team now, remember?

  • Comment 55, posted at 16.04.09 21:27:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) :

    time? :?:

  • Comment 56, posted at 16.04.09 21:29:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 56) : i have an edit button :-) go look again

  • Comment 57, posted at 16.04.09 21:31:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) :

    hehehehhe :lol:

  • Comment 58, posted at 16.04.09 21:32:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I’m looking forward to this weekends rugby. This is the weekend where a few of the teams who can still make the semis get illiminated.

    But wouldn’t it be excellent if the teams at the lower end win. Eight teams are separted by 5 points on the log. :shock: Just picture the log if the lower ones win.

  • Comment 59, posted at 16.04.09 21:35:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 59) : I want the Brumbies to win from an LMS perspective and the Sharks to win from a sheer enjoyment perspective. Cheetahs from a log perspective would be nice, but I’m realistic

  • Comment 60, posted at 16.04.09 22:04:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • Brumbies and Highlanders wins tomorrow will make for a very interesting log.

  • Comment 61, posted at 16.04.09 22:14:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • BTW Deysel is starting in Keegan Daniel’s place. check the Sharks thread for the team.

  • Comment 62, posted at 16.04.09 22:15:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Jake White is too busy trying to revolutionise South African rugby coaching from grass level up… all his own initiative with no help from the govt or SARU… something we have been crying out for for eons!

    Single-handedly surrounding himself with arguably some of the best rugby men in the world…

    How about them apples?

    2007 World Cup-winning Springbok head coach Jake White
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    2007 World Cup-winning Springbok specialist coach Eddie Jones
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    2007 World Cup-winning Springbok scrum coach Balie Swart
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    2007 World Cup-winning Springbok prop Os du Randt
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    2007 World Cup-winning Springbok fullback Percy Montgomery
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    2007 World Cup-winning Springbok conditioning coach Dr Derek Coetzee
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    2003 (England) and 2007 (Springbok) World Cup-winning visuals specialist Dr Sherylle Calder
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    2007 World Cup-winning Springbok physiotherapist Clint Readhead
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    2007 World Cup-winning Springbok mental-strength coach Henning Gericke
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    2007 South African Sports Journalist of the Year and communications specialist Mark Keohane
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    Leadership talk by Springbok captain John Smit

    THIS is exactly what is needed in RSA… empowering and improving our coaches from grass-roots level and up…

    Now why didn’t the sports minister or SARU for that matter think of that…

  • Comment 63, posted at 17.04.09 07:34:38 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 63) :

    The Academy, with a coaching team that rivals any international coaching team, endeavours to pass on all the resources and knowledge that Jake and his team have acquired over their vast careers.

    The Academy is an amazing opportunity for all coaches, from U11 team coaches through to 1st XV and club coaching staff.

    The course runs for three days, with all shcools, clubs and coaches/attendees having access to Jake over the following 12 months, for guidance and assistance in all coaching areas. Each school/club/coaches own proactiveness will determine the interaction with Jake and his team.

    For all bookings or queries regarding the Academy and your needs, contact Kara Ross on [email protected] co.za or telephone +27 21 416-0141.

    Once the four coaching courses have taken place, Jake White will identify his top-10 coaches, with the best receiving R25 000. The two runners-up will win R20 000 and R15 000 respectively, with those ranked four to 10 coming away with R10 000.

  • Comment 64, posted at 17.04.09 09:16:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 64) :

    Yup and not one cent of the SARU surplus will be helping out!!!!!!

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