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It’s ALL about Frans


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 25 Apr 2009 at 12:23
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Brace yourselves for another round of “will he, won’t he?” speculation about Frans Steyn this coming week. The young utility back, whose talking seems to be done mostly off the field these days, apparently flew off for a whirlwind trip to France last weekend to inspect the conditions at his prospective new club, Racing Metro.

Now of course, there will be the usual round of rebuttals, firstly from Steyn’s manager, Gerrie Swart, shortly to be followed by the Sharks. The French newspapers, again, are trumpeting the signing as though it’s a done deal. They’ve done that before, though, so there’s not really all that much that’s new here. Fact is, though, smoke without fire is a rare thing and I think we need to accept that reality that Francois Steyn will not play for the Sharks again after the conclusion of this year’s Super 14.

Good news, I say and good riddance. I wish he would leave now.

Frans Steyn, I fear, is all about Frans Steyn. The player comes first and the team second and I’m sick of carrying that sort of ego in the Sharks team – particularly given how poor his general form has been over the last two seasons. Steyn deciding to embark on a mid-season jolly to Paris while the rest of his team mates were doing as the coach requested – resting their bodies after 10 weeks of hard rugby – just shows that his priorities in life are all about enhancing his own glory and personal wealth. The Sharks have been inexcusably poor over the last two weeks and Steyn has been in no small part responsible for that. What then gives him the right, while the rest of the team are showing the necessary contrition, to go off and secure his own future, his own massive payday?

Surely the right thing – the honourable thing – the TEAM thing to do would be to keep his head down and rather concentrate on getting his play to an acceptable standard so that he doesn’t let his own team down any further? Or is it a case of cutting his losses? Stuff the Sharks, guys, cos this is all about me, remember? Nice knowing you, but I’m off to find some other guys to play with.

Steyn is young and he is arrogant and he is no doubt being led astray by a whole host of the usual sort of fame-leeches who will mislead a player by giving him an exaggerated idea of his own worth and potential. Sure, he’s good, but he’s nowhere near as good as he’s made out to be and his myriad utterly pathetic performances for the Sharks over the last three seasons make a complete mockery of the special treatment he continues to receive from the coaches and administration. Perhaps the lack of a real rugby pedigree is to blame – the Steyns being the nouveau riches of the SA Rugby scene, while the likes of Pienaar, Kankowski, Spies and du Preez all have mentors within their family who intimately understand the team nature of this sport, having played it at a high level.

Whatever the cause, the effect is clear. Frans Steyn is a selfish player and a selfish person. He is an individualist and an egotist. What’s more, to me he continues to commit, over and over, the one sin for which I cannot forgive a young player; he never learns from his mistakes.

Au revoir, Francois Steyn. I hope for your sake you manage to line your pockets richly before Racing realise what a lemon they’ve bought. The Sharks will be stronger team without you.



149 Comments

  • I want Brad back

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.04.09 12:30:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : Didnt Brad do the same thing?

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.04.09 12:33:05 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 2) : no… not in my mind. Besides, I LIKE Brad, so it was different.

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.04.09 12:36:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : :lol:

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.04.09 12:45:54 by Rahul Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : :mrgreen:

    @Rahul (Comment 2) : Not IMO no.

    brad was NOT being given the royal treatment here in SA and he did well to go look for a greener pasture. He is Playing for a Premiership club and will thus get exposure and top quality rugby, probably for less than Frans Steyn is earning at 2nd Division club Racing Metro.

    Toulon have realised that buying a few big players to get promoted doesn’t work. Let’s see what happens at metro.

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.04.09 12:50:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Wow! Strong words there Robbi. Never realised thats how you felt over Frans. Or is it just now that his leaving is inevitable? Who then in his place? Not Swannie, Adi or Strauss sounds inspiring enough! Then what about Walter Venter, Ma’a Nonu or Yannick Jauzion? :-D

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.04.09 12:51:41 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • Add Richard Kahui as well

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.04.09 12:55:12 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 6) : of those three, I’ll take Venter

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.04.09 12:55:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) :

    Why not just bring Jaque Fourie down to a good side. :wink:

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.04.09 12:57:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The majority of ‘established’ SA players won’t budge. So Jaque won’t come.

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.04.09 13:01:50 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • Crash crash crash :mrgreen:

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.04.09 13:09:41 by Rahul Reply

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  • Damn ferrari’s

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.04.09 13:11:11 by Rahul Reply

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  • oj rob, that’s bit harsh. not that i am particularly impressed with him lately.
    i guess though that should he ever become a great flyhlf the people will then admire his determination.

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.04.09 14:02:00 by rekinek Reply
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  • Greetings all, my message to Frans – Don’t let the door smack you in the butt on your way out the door :shock:

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.04.09 14:03:19 by knock on Reply

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  • Steyn has been gaurenteed that he will be the starting 10 at Racing. They obviosly haven’t watched his recent games at 10.

    Let him go and buy JLP and Danniler from the Cheetahs.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.04.09 19:44:31 by Loosehead Reply

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  • Rahul, i see your team of cheats once again conned the ref into awarding a ridiculous penalty… Pathetic if you ask me.

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.04.09 19:54:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 16) :

    Dude to be 0-2 down and then be up 4-2 a while later is just making you envious. :razz:

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.04.09 20:04:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • rob you are meaner than me. i thought i was harsh on stefan and kockhed, my remarks seem nursery rhymish compared to your lambasting. i ampleased frans is going. he has been a big disruption in our backline.

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.04.09 20:14:03 by try time Reply

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  • @knock on (Comment 14) : i like you already :-)

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.04.09 20:14:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 18) : I just plain don’t like his attitude!

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.04.09 20:15:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • Not envious dude. At the time of the ‘penalty’ Spurs were doing ok. The keeper played the ball. Carrick clearly dived… Once Ronaldo scored it gave Utd confidence and thats why the score is 5-2 at the moment. Lucky Lucky Manure…

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.04.09 20:15:43 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 17) : is that like being top of the log and next thing you come back from the bye four points down and in 4th position, all cos you cannot catch a ball. mmm lucky you don’t need bonus points in premiership football.

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.04.09 20:16:06 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : i agree. but i don’t like kocketts either. unfortunately adolf straulli was sleeping in the off season and forgot to strengthen our 9 10 axis.

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.04.09 20:17:56 by try time Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 21) : scoring 5 goals through luck? Take off the blinkers, Wes :-)

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.04.09 20:20:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 23) : difference though is frans has his ff the field, kockett has his on the field.

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.04.09 20:21:58 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 23) : actually you’re right. The cronje’s seem to be our backup plan and they’re clearly not ready yet. Len Olivier seems to be out of favour too. That leaves just Charl and Monty. Hardly confidence-boosting

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.04.09 20:22:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) :

    Wes is pissed coz his team only scored 3 goals. :wink:

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.04.09 20:27:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : well i am trying to be positive about the last 3 games. eventhugh i am peed off that hte bulls that lost the same number of games are ahead of us on the log. actually same as the chiefs (that have won one less) and hurricanes. i am sick of the sharks shrugging off bonus points as of non importance. but we can do it, three games three wins, with 2 bp’s should do it. hurr chiefs and blues still need to play eachother, bulls we’ll take out as before.

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.04.09 20:28:33 by try time Reply

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  • The penalty was lucky Rob not the 4 goals that followed…

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.04.09 20:29:24 by wpw Reply
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  • other question is can cheetahs and force do us a favour. i hope so.

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.04.09 20:30:17 by try time Reply

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  • Rahul is gonna have a field day with this… Dammit!!

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.04.09 20:30:25 by wpw Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 28) : actually what is even worse is that the blues have only won 5 games and they are 1 point behind.

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.04.09 20:44:11 by try time Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 31) :

    If he misses it, I’ll point it out to him. :wink:

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.04.09 20:51:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • “French media confirm that Steyn has signed for Paris-based second division side Racing Metro, who have virtually secured their place in the Top 14. The year-long deal is reported to be the most lucrative ever for a South African player. Steyn will make the move to Paris after the Springboks’ end of year tour. ”
    Can’t blame him if this is correct, won the world cup ,overnight hero, might play the lions and a nice lucrative contract, I would take it if I were him, beats the shit out of being lambasted by “fair weather” :lol: Shark fans and he gets to play at flyhalh, where he wants to play, whats not to like??

  • Comment 34, posted at 26.04.09 09:24:15 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 34) :

    I think you should read this article and then repost your comment. :wink: :grin:

    he will play 12
    They can only sign between 15 may and 30 june
    and the article says that the media speculates that he has already signed but they are wrong.

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2009/04/25/steyn-visits-racing-metro/

    :wink:

  • Comment 35, posted at 26.04.09 12:24:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • You sharks fans surely are a sour lot. Having to wear those ugly Mr Price jerseys seems just dessert.

  • Comment 36, posted at 26.04.09 20:53:17 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 38) :

    hehehe Fynes

    was just going to coMMent on that tjOOn as weLL.

    Maybe Frans Steyn wiLL dropoFF his $hark$ kit @ the local Mr Price, now that he is ALL k@k aCCording to the $hark$ faithfuLL- served his purpose- so just farkoFF!

    That is the thing with mercenaries- the heart is just never iNNit!

    Eish now I wiLL get anuDDer lecture on Pro-sport, typing gOOde english or meBBe both!

  • Comment 37, posted at 26.04.09 21:02:34 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • Hey OO. Howzit boet??
    I see you’ve ‘come out of the closet’ now that Cheetahs have won more than one S14 game in one season… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 26.04.09 21:11:00 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 40) :

    hehehe

    Seven games of shyte broer

    do you blame me?

    but then the two they have won was against “GIANTS”

    :grin:

  • Comment 39, posted at 26.04.09 21:13:44 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • And there was almost no orange on this blog!

  • Comment 40, posted at 26.04.09 21:14:16 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • I know bru, i know.
    I’m a Stormers supporter so I know what you talking about…

  • Comment 41, posted at 26.04.09 21:23:25 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : Agreed. Brad left because of Frans, but with the goings on at Saracens it’s unlikely he’ll be back for a while…

  • Comment 42, posted at 26.04.09 22:32:27 by MerckZ Reply

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  • @MerckZ (Comment 44) : opinion or fact?

  • Comment 43, posted at 26.04.09 22:33:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • Sigh… Rob, I suggest that you be a bit more circumspect with the vitriol in the future maatjie – seems that it doesnt take too much to drag out the worst.

    My opinion on Frans hasn’t changed all season. Consistently low.

  • Comment 44, posted at 26.04.09 23:00:37 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 34) : Just having a go at Rob :lol: I personally could not care if he stays or goes, not my favourite player of all time and Robs heading says it all.

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.04.09 06:37:22 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 45) : :smile:

    I have two distinctly divided opinions on the Steyn.
    He IS an excellent player, better at 12 than 10 though. In short, I have no issues with his onfield antics / tactics

    Off the field though is where I have the concern. The guy isn’t 22 yet and he is looking for the big payday already. And we know if he moves, he will not play for the Boks.

    There is a saying in Afrikaans, “Vroeg ryp, vroeg vrot” I hope that doesn’t apply to Steyn and that he comes back more mature rather than over the hill at 25.

    Rob says the guy doesn’t learn from his mistakes, I disagree with that.
    How many chargedowns have we had from a Steyn kick this year?
    How many did we have last year?
    I am sure the number this year is SIGNIFICANTLY less than last year, and that area was a concern. So he has learnt / improved.

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.04.09 06:55:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 46) : I agree, and the kid is a genius but maybe getting away from SA will be good for him. I think we are covered at centre for the moment and a more mature frand might not be a bad thing, just wish he was going to the UK rather than France

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.04.09 07:20:24 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 47) :

    And although Racing metro are due for promotion out of ProD2, it is still a big step up to the Top 14. Ask Toulon and they will tell you all about it. Playing for a team that is going to be in the bottom half of the table is not going to be nice.

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.04.09 07:27:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • lms is turning out interesting. saders kept me in this week by taking out a few guys. the toughy is the three teams i have this weekend could all lose. now it is getting intersting. rob i see you are still in it. should be fun, it could be won this wekend.

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.04.09 07:31:29 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 49) :

    :smile:

    I see only ONE of the guys left standing has already picked the Cheetahs earlier. :lol:

    I don’t think it will be one this weekend. there are enough good teams available for picks still. :grin:

  • Comment 50, posted at 27.04.09 07:44:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • If I can manage another week, I think I am in with a chance but next week is the biggy, I only have the lions and the cheetahs left, but don’t write thrm off too soon :lol:

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.04.09 08:00:06 by Whindy Reply
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  • them :oops:

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  • @Whindy (Comment 51) :

    Now that everyone has only one lifeline left, I think it will go down to the tie breaker rule.

    I must say though that I think nobody will be left standing at the end of the season.

    Although?????????? The Cheetahs play the Stormers then, they may win that. :wink: :roll:

  • Comment 53, posted at 27.04.09 08:09:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I have said for a very long time now it would be in Frans’ best interest to take a break overseas.

    But I also maintain that much of his problems has nothing to do with his play, but the 10 million opinions about the guy out there.

    Frans has been no worse at 10 in the last couple of weeks than most 10′s in South African rugby, apart from Morne Steyn who has been outstanding. Sure there are a couple of aspects of his play that can improve at 10 as he seems to bring the tactical and technical aspects of 12 to 10 but those are small changes – changes any coach should pick up and correct which does not seem to be the case at Sharks.

    But these are very small changes, part of which is because of the play of his 9 too.

    Point is, Frans has the ability to become a very good 10 if he makes a couple of technical changes to his play and his 9 changes his too.

    There is a thing in SA rugby where we are constantly looking for the next best thing.

    Expectation is created and when these players perform okay but not spectacularly then their ability is questioned, even though they have more talent in their pinkie toe than 90% of SA rugby players.

    It is my opinion that it is not so much a case of Frans not being able to handle the pressures of rugby – he is not able to handle the pressures of being a superstar thanks to the SA public and media.

    Simply because he is not afforded the time as normal or more average players to develop his game and mature.

    Therefore Frans needs to step out of the limelight. Go to France and get out of the hearts and minds of the SA public.

    Either that, or get a coach in the Sharks to assist him with what should be obvious and simple coaching.

  • Comment 54, posted at 27.04.09 08:54:14 by Morné Reply
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  • A sharks loss :shock: this week-end would put the cat among the pigeons.I see only one person that is left has chosen the Cheetahs,but I agree it will probably end in a tie breaker.

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  • he is not able to handle the pressures of being a superstar thanks to the SA public and media.

    So you say “go to france where you can’t understand the media and all things will be okay”? :wink:

  • Comment 56, posted at 27.04.09 09:03:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I see there are already trinations ,lions tour and Currie cup league’s in place. I take it we will have a league!!

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  • @Whindy (Comment 55) :

    Yip and that person is in the best position IMO.

    There are a few people who have very good chances to go through if they make the right calls.

  • Comment 58, posted at 27.04.09 09:06:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 57) : I reckon he will be homesick ,like big Vic and will not spark at all, back at the Sharks or Cheetahs by the end of the season

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 56) :

    Where the only thing for him left to do will be to play rugby.

    In France, only front rows are superstars…

  • Comment 60, posted at 27.04.09 09:10:32 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 46) :

    fair coMMent on the ‘vroeg ryp vroeg vrot’ i$$ue

    remember we had a tiff two years back on the wisdom of removing the OutbackOkies tOO sOOn from Bloem?

    out of the discipline scene – without ALL the technicalities provide and “hopefuLLy” internalised.

    That Frans Steyn nEEds a huge PK – and his iMMediate family and advisors, even more so, I do not disagrEE with.

    they have – to my mind – now show a history of bad- money orientated decisions- started with the decision to go to deBBen…

    and that….

    is the irony…

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  • @Whindy (Comment 59) :

    No- he will join CoachWhite at the “fairest Cape”

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  • @Whindy (Comment 57) :

    Yip we will.

    i’m just glad nobody asked us to start an IPL league. :oops:

    Tooooooooooooo many competitions on the go at the moment. :oops:

    Fortunately the Lions, 3N and CC’s will almsot run separately. :cool: :wink:

  • Comment 63, posted at 27.04.09 09:20:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 61) :

    You have an EXTREMELY valid point there. His advisors are the ones that should really be taken to task.

    The guy turns 22 on 14 May, he needs a strong support system in place around him with all the money that is being thrown at him.

    Drew Mitchell is a great example of a player who has said no to the big money and gone where he believes his career will benefit.

    I can only hope that IF Steyn does go, he makes a success of it and comes back as a mature well rounded player.

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 62) :

    Is Steyn taking up wine farming? :wink: Jake won’t coach the Stormers.

  • Comment 65, posted at 27.04.09 09:27:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 62) : Hey Good to hear you Orakel, interesting, you reckon Jake will take up the poison chalice in the Cape. He did blossom under Jake as I think Jake understood him and his needs, if you are right watch the Stormers next year I am a big JW fan. Not of the person but of his methods, his man management is brilliant. But I cant see him coming in at that level again. Hope you are right though it would be good for our rugby to have a stronger stormers set up

  • Comment 66, posted at 27.04.09 09:30:33 by Whindy Reply
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  • The Stormers will never employ someone with a bigger ego than themselves.

    They will feel to threatened.

    Jake won’t stand for their shit.

    So unfortunately Jake will never coach the Stormers.

  • Comment 67, posted at 27.04.09 09:33:21 by Morné Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 66) :

    I would love to know how much work the mind guys do with the players on THAT level? Where is TG when you need him? :wink:

    The Boks had a mind guy with them, Henning Gericke if I recall, during the RWC.

  • Comment 68, posted at 27.04.09 09:38:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 67) : Morne they have to do something pretty soon, the public are getting restless, been a while since the Western Province did anything, and there should be no reason why they don’t achieve, they have the best place in the world to play rugby IMO. There biggest problem down there is the admin, bunch of amateurs. However, I do agree with you about Jake there is no ways!! Pity, just wish they would use him somewhere useful

  • Comment 69, posted at 27.04.09 09:42:03 by Whindy Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 68) : Jake white’s man management coming to the fore, he brought in Cheryl Caulder as well, who is utilising her??

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 50) : @Whindy (Comment 51) : yeah i know, but it can be won this weekend if giants are beaten. remember rob has the best possible teams remaining, but he can’t win as administrator. my three teams could all win all lose this weekend. reds tails are up, but brumbies are hurting. cheetahs tails are up and beat a crusaders team against a biased ref. the could roll the tahs and the bulls can easily be beaten by the force. force have a better away record and have hurt the bulls at home before. only definite for me this weekend is the sharks. highlanders are exhausted and i cannot see them getting up.

  • Comment 71, posted at 27.04.09 10:20:41 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 71) :

    Rob has the best possible teams remaining????????????? He still has to pick the Lions and Cheetahs.

    How can that be considered the best possible teams?

    IMO Punters and Rahul are the front runners at the moment.

  • Comment 72, posted at 27.04.09 10:43:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 72) :

    Add predators to those front runners as well

  • Comment 73, posted at 27.04.09 10:43:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 54) :
    I have serious questions about the Sharks backline coach.

    I am flabbergasted that a backline with so much talent cant produce well-crafted tries. Fair enough. a lot of that has to do with the loss of momentum occurring at 9 and 10, which has resulted in the ball reaching the backs being of a very poor quality; but even this can be attributed to a coach who is not diagnosing and/or treating the problem.

    In my opinion, having Frans at 10 means that we should have at least moved Adi to 12, and Swanepoel to 13; Swanepoel and Frans are too similar to play alongside each other, while Adi can distribute much better than either.

  • Comment 74, posted at 27.04.09 10:46:54 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 74) : you have a point. Better still, let’s move Frans to another team.

  • Comment 75, posted at 27.04.09 10:50:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 74) :

    Hopefully ruan will be back this week and we will then have a

    Kockott
    Pienaar
    JPP
    Steyn
    Adi
    Ndungane
    Terblanche

    Backline. :cool:

  • Comment 76, posted at 27.04.09 10:52:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • so what happened with jannie and keegan? Any suspensions?

  • Comment 77, posted at 27.04.09 10:55:23 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) :
    You are ruthless. :twisted:

  • Comment 78, posted at 27.04.09 10:56:28 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 77) :

    Nope both got off. :cool:

  • Comment 79, posted at 27.04.09 10:56:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 76) : yeah – that’s the best unit we have.

    McLeod and Swannie on the bench. Not sure who to give 22, though. Murray is awful and Zuks was completely overshadowed by Jordaan and Mvovo this weekend.

  • Comment 80, posted at 27.04.09 10:57:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 71) : optimistic statement from the notorious pessimist :wink:

  • Comment 81, posted at 27.04.09 10:58:55 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 78) : yes- my wife’s name is Leigh.

  • Comment 82, posted at 27.04.09 10:59:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) :
    Murray is just back from injury – hasn’t played at top level for 6 months; maybe suspend judgment for a while.

    That said, with the amount of strapping he currently has, I cant help but wonder if he wont be another player whose career is stalled by a knee injury.

  • Comment 83, posted at 27.04.09 11:00:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) :
    Pass the bloody camphor cream! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 84, posted at 27.04.09 11:03:19 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 84) : eh?

  • Comment 85, posted at 27.04.09 11:09:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 16) : It doesnt make up for the one the ref didnt give that cost us the FA Cup!

  • Comment 86, posted at 27.04.09 11:13:18 by Rahul Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) :
    That was pretty dry amigo. :wink:

  • Comment 87, posted at 27.04.09 11:15:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 87) : ah yes. :) Gotcha now

  • Comment 88, posted at 27.04.09 11:45:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 64) :

    agree with that

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 65) :

    I am not so sure that he wont be beGGed sOOn!

    @Whindy (Comment 66) :

    Hi Whindy

    Great to bump into you here!

    To my opinion the Stormers need to aPPoint either Heyneke or CoachWhite.

    PersonaLLy I would have gone for CoachWhite

    The CoachWhite of 2005 and 2009 is two diFFerent keTTles

    I like the 2009 edition much more.@Morné (Comment 67) :

    Hope you are wrong- co the WP is indEEd my second team!@KSA Shark © (Comment 68) :

    Cant confirm it but the rumour has it that HeNNing had a talk to the ChEEtahs be4 the $harks game!

    do you lAik him stiLL?

    :twisted:

  • Comment 89, posted at 27.04.09 14:41:47 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 89) :

    He’s obviously good at his job, maybe we should send a hat around to gather some funds so that the Cheethas can afford to have him more than just for that one game a season. :razz:

  • Comment 90, posted at 27.04.09 14:52:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 90) :

    :grin:

  • Comment 91, posted at 27.04.09 15:04:07 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 90) : getting up for one game a season is easy… look at the Sharks in 2005, as an example.

    It’s getting up consistently for every game that takes some doing. I’m afraid none of our sides are there yet… but some are better than others.

  • Comment 92, posted at 27.04.09 15:06:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good on you Frans… the Sharks and their fans have been nothing but detrimental to your career… shunting you around for seasons then lambasting you for not seemingly excelling… money talks bullshit walks join the million or so RSA youngsters doing exactly the same!

  • Comment 93, posted at 28.04.09 09:48:52 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 93) : please don’t start again. I really don’t feel like doing another round of clean ups

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  • @robdylan (Comment 96) :

    WTF… my opinion doesn’t tie in with yours?

  • Comment 95, posted at 28.04.09 10:07:31 by bryce_in_oz Reply

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  • Stirring the pot the other way round :twisted:

  • Comment 96, posted at 28.04.09 10:12:09 by Charlie Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 93) :
    You may be right but you sound like a very bitter OLD man.

  • Comment 97, posted at 28.04.09 10:46:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • *shaking my head*
    :evil:

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 97) :

    Are you talking about Rob?

    Cos this article sounds like a bitter old man… whose son left for Britain.

  • Comment 99, posted at 28.04.09 11:07:29 by blackshark - YNWA Reply

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  • @blackshark – YNWA (Comment 99) :
    The one left for Britain, the one left for Oz and the one wants to leave for France.
    I wonder if it has something to do with not actually being able to cut the apron strings. They made them tougher in the old days.

  • Comment 100, posted at 28.04.09 11:14:49 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @blackshark – YNWA (Comment 99) :

    :mrgreen: :shock:

  • Comment 101, posted at 28.04.09 11:15:26 by wpw Reply
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  • Steyn started the season on a positive note…playing regularly at 12…and improving at a steady pace each weekend. It’s really unfortunate that we lost Ruan cos I believe Frans was going to have his best Super 14 thus far.

    It’s regrettable that even though he has been given an extended run at 10, he continues to make the same inexcusable errors…and I’m afraid we can’t keep using the old “he’s just a boy” excuse. Since he’s adamant that he wants to be a flyhalf…I expected him to work extra hard to prove himself…but I haven’t seen any signs of this.

    That said, I don’t know how to say this without sounding like a “fame-leech”…but I doubt that the Sharks will be a stronger team without Frans….just as I knew we were going to be weaker without Brad.

    If he goes – the Sharks would’ve lost 2 of the country’s best young talents…looks like the Sharks will be the new Lions soon…

    Frans , you have 5 games left to turn this season around…go out there and play your heart out for the Sharks.

  • Comment 102, posted at 28.04.09 11:26:12 by blackshark - YNWA Reply

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  • On a positive note…

    gOOd to sEE some old bloGGers back on the site…amazing what a few wins can do… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 103, posted at 28.04.09 11:30:36 by blackshark - YNWA Reply

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  • @blackshark – YNWA (Comment 103) :

    hehehehe

    :lol:

  • Comment 104, posted at 28.04.09 11:33:19 by wpw Reply
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  • @blackshark – YNWA (Comment 102) :

    So what is your take on the fact that he wants to leave to play in France??

    And at flyhalf no doubt!! :roll:

  • Comment 105, posted at 28.04.09 11:34:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 105) :

    With the correct coaching and time he could become a great 10.

    His ‘natural’ talent however makes him strong in 12 and 15 already.

  • Comment 106, posted at 28.04.09 11:38:13 by Morné Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 105) :

    the article taht announced his visit to france made it clear that he will be playing 12 over there.

    Why do you guys keep saying he will play flyhalf over there?

  • Comment 107, posted at 28.04.09 11:38:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 107) : noticed that as well -
    they said that 12 is his preferred position. Can we assume that he saw the light :mrgreen:
    better be careful – with fransie it was 10 then 12 then 10 again and 12

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  • @wpw (Comment 105) :

    My take is that he can go wherever he wants to…and play whichever position…as long as he’s prepared for the results of those decisions.

    I prefer him at centre for The Sharks…but if Racing Metro wants him as a chef…it’s their own business.

    Frans is a selfish player :
    Yes to a certain extent…we all know that sometimes he runs or drops when he could easily pass…and I hate that bit about him…beautiful when it works…but terrible if it doesn’t…

    Frans is a selfish person :
    For flying to France in the middle of a 10 day break??? I’m guessing with permission from the Sharks (management, coach, physio)… probably flying in a very comfortable airplane :razz: – Get outta here. It’s not like the guys need to stay in bed in order to rest. They just needed some time off from 80 minutes of Super 14 rugby.

  • Comment 109, posted at 28.04.09 11:50:18 by blackshark - YNWA Reply

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  • @blackshark – YNWA (Comment 109) : so you don’t really agree with this article? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 110, posted at 28.04.09 11:54:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 110) :

    I agree with some parts of it…like the title… :grin:

  • Comment 111, posted at 28.04.09 11:59:36 by blackshark - YNWA Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 107) :
    Keo broke this story, to my knowledge, and there it emphasised that he would play flyhalf.

  • Comment 112, posted at 28.04.09 12:12:35 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Rob, seriously man you need to get a grip on the hating the player vibe.

    It is unfair to expect a player not to at the very least investigate a large cash offer. You would – Why should he be any different. In the professional era – Cash is the bottom line – be damned the team you play with.

    Sure a few players buck the trend – read the likes of Juan Smith sticking with the States, Schalla persisting with the circus at the Stormers, Joost for the hookers in Pretoria…ummh bad exmaple. :lol:

    Steyn is well with in his rights to look at offers and or make a call without being told he is a tosser. Imagine being told you are a plonker for moving to a better job.

    Sorry doesn’t cut the mustard

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 112) : Then one could surmise its a bad investment given Steyn’s slow kicking will result in boat loads of charge downs.

  • Comment 114, posted at 28.04.09 12:22:48 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 113) : it’s all about stimulating debate at the end of the day

  • Comment 115, posted at 28.04.09 12:30:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 115) : stirring :?: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 116, posted at 28.04.09 12:37:24 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 116) :

    Was wondering if the fancy new word for stirring is now “stimulating debate”… :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 117, posted at 28.04.09 12:41:06 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 117) : he he… possibly, possibly…

  • Comment 118, posted at 28.04.09 12:44:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 118) : Now you all sounding like politicians :lol:

  • Comment 119, posted at 28.04.09 12:52:24 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 118) :

    And here’s me thinking you felt strongly about it only to find out now that you are auditioning for a job at Voldy?

  • Comment 120, posted at 28.04.09 12:55:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • No they have to set up a commission first to investigate the allegations.

    And then set up a commission to study the commission because there were reported irregularities.

  • Comment 121, posted at 28.04.09 12:55:55 by Morné Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 119) :

    You mean as soon as the wind gets too strong, you turn in a new direction and a more acceptable reason for talking sheit?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 122, posted at 28.04.09 12:58:01 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 114) :
    I’m more inclined to believe the article that says he will play centre. The gist of the Keo article was that he was hell bent on proving to SA and himself that he is a flyhalf.

  • Comment 123, posted at 28.04.09 13:01:08 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • But …all in all – I really believe that Fransies decisions or lack of good ones’ has been responisble for our poor performance lately…that plus maybe fatique…

  • Comment 124, posted at 28.04.09 13:02:07 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 121) :
    Well as long as the commisions actually do something, as opposed to sommer just wiping the slate clean. :twisted:

  • Comment 125, posted at 28.04.09 13:03:23 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 122) : you never know – maybe at some later stage Rob will have to write articles about hats eating so may well lay a foundation :mrgreen:

  • Comment 126, posted at 28.04.09 13:09:33 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 126) : I have much practice in that craft as well

  • Comment 127, posted at 28.04.09 13:11:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 120) : :lol:

  • Comment 128, posted at 28.04.09 14:11:23 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 120) : don’t get me wrong… I DO feel strongly about it, but I don’t expect everyone else to agree. That’s why I’m not afraid to put my opinions out there and let people either approve of them or slate me.

  • Comment 129, posted at 28.04.09 14:21:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • Taliking about opinions, did anyone pick up Hugh Blayden telling the world that Victor Matfield was a mathematician.

  • Comment 130, posted at 28.04.09 14:31:54 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 130) : Ja, :roll:

  • Comment 131, posted at 28.04.09 14:41:30 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 130) : how is that for an opinion :roll:

  • Comment 132, posted at 28.04.09 14:43:08 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 130) : Thats how he calculates opponents line out calls so quickly. I thought he just stood near the front and jumped!

  • Comment 133, posted at 28.04.09 15:01:56 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 133) :

    The opposition asks Victor Matfield what line out calls to shout out…

  • Comment 134, posted at 28.04.09 15:07:57 by Morné Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 130) :

    He’s Mom is a or was a math teacher…

  • Comment 135, posted at 28.04.09 15:10:35 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 133) :

    he’s name is actually Victor MATHfield…hehehehe

  • Comment 136, posted at 28.04.09 15:12:02 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • As a mathematician one would have expected him to have taken the 3 points on offer from the PK in the last minute of the game and thus deny the Chiefs a bonus point.

    I predict that, in time, Andries Bekker will also become a mathematician.

  • Comment 137, posted at 28.04.09 15:12:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 133) : i though that would require more language skills really :roll:

  • Comment 138, posted at 28.04.09 15:15:28 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 138) : Hugh is our very own Murray Mexted, only without the humour :mrgreen:

  • Comment 139, posted at 28.04.09 15:22:39 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 136) : :lol:

  • Comment 140, posted at 28.04.09 15:23:26 by Rahul Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 138) : a linguistic mathematician?

  • Comment 141, posted at 28.04.09 15:27:20 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 141) : apparently interdisciplinary studies now in fashion :mrgreen:

  • Comment 142, posted at 28.04.09 15:49:34 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 142) : :lol: What happened to good ol rugby?

  • Comment 143, posted at 28.04.09 15:51:10 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 143) : getting o’neilo.. oops … modernised. Wonder whether lock playing flyhalf be considered interdisciplinary :wink:

  • Comment 144, posted at 28.04.09 15:54:29 by rekinek Reply
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  • Well, Racing Metro has beaten Bordeaux Bègles 33-12 this w-end, thus securing them a spot in the French’s Top14. Which was a condition before the likes of Wilkinson, Chabal, Nallet and Steyn would sign with Racing M. BTW, if Wilkinson signs, Steyn would mostly play 12 imo.

  • Comment 145, posted at 28.04.09 15:58:56 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 145) : the article I read stated that FS is looking forward to play outside Anrew Merthens. Nothing about Wilkinson.

  • Comment 146, posted at 28.04.09 16:02:11 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 146) : Eish, apologies. Racing article indicated Wilkinson as a FAR posibility. Also very old article (dated 17Feb).

  • Comment 147, posted at 28.04.09 16:26:28 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 144) : Probably lead to more Disciplnary Hearings :wink:

  • Comment 148, posted at 28.04.09 16:29:52 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 148) : :mrgreen:

    @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 147) : this article I read (some time last week :wink: ) states that mehrtens is like 36 ! they probably considered wilko – but eish he is a bit of a liability when it comes to injuries – I hear he is out AGAIN.

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