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Australia call to suspend SANZAR


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Posted in :In the news, Super 14 on 29 Apr 2009 at 23:21
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Australia have called for the suspension of the Sanzar working party agreement as the three countries continue to fight and fail to find common ground on the way forward for Super Rugby.

South African rugby have stated that they will continue to work to preserve the Sanzar alliance, despite the organisation facing the gravest challenge in its 14-year history, Andy Marinos, the acting managing director of SA Rugby told a media briefing in Cape Town.

Rugbyweek reports that Marinos said that SA Rugby remained committed to Sanzar and believed that every avenue should be explored by the parties before the June 30 deadline to present an agreed competitions structure to potential broadcasters.

The work of a Sanzar task team intended to devise a structure for Super Rugby on which all three parties could agree has been suspended at the request of Australia.

“We’re committed to the Sanzar relationship and have no desire to walk away from it, but it is a cause for concern that Australia and New Zealand have advised SA Rugby that they will be exploring the option of establishing a purely Trans-Tasman competition,” said Marinos.

“That is their right but the Super Rugby format that is currently on the table now has only one stumbling block.

“If we can’t negotiate our way past that, we’re happy to put both models before the broadcasters for their input – or follow Sanzar protocols and go to mediation and arbitration on the issue.”

Marinos said that the sticking point centred on differing attitudes to playing Super Rugby in the June in-bound Test window.

“We’re all agreed on expansion and lengthening the Super Rugby season,” he said.

“To accommodate that, Australia and New Zealand want to continue playing Super Rugby with weakened teams during the June in-bound Test window.

Whilst two of the partners of SANZAR seem happy to play internationals in the June Test window it would seem that little research has been done on this in particular as one can hardly imagine that the likes of England, Ireland, France and Wales would be happy with being reduced to being treated as mid-week teams in favour of a provincial tournament – even if they do tour in June with second stringers.

The Springboks, All Blacks and Wallabies could end up with no one to play in June if the Northern Hemisphere nations do not agree to be reduced to mid-week teams.

“We prefer to start earlier – in mid-February – and then suspend playing Super Rugby during the Test window. But because of declining crowds in Australasia – particularly at the start of the season – they would like to delay kick off until March.

“We’ve suggested that South Africa starts the schedule two weeks earlier, while they start in March. But Australia and New Zealand are not prepared to compromise on that idea as they say the break would be an advantage to South Africa.

“For the last 14 years South African teams have been annually disadvantaged by the length of our tour so we know better than anyone about ‘disadvantage’, but there’s simply no way that Australia or New Zealand would be disadvantaged to anything like the same extent by this structure.

“It was their initiative to play through the June Test window but we believe that playing rounds 14 to 17 without the leading players could significantly skew positions on the log and affect the integrity of the competition.”

Marinos explained that the South African position had been thoroughly workshopped with the Super 14 provinces. “We’ve got 14 provinces all playing in two senior domestic competitions and two age-group tournaments and five of them play Super Rugby on top of that – and there is absolutely no appetite to compromise further at the expense of the Currie Cup .

“The nine New Zealand provinces who are not Super 14 franchise holders are also concerned about the impact that these plans may have on the fabric of New Zealand rugby – and they’re right to be.

“We want to expand Super Rugby and would even like to move to a Super 18 with each nation hosting a conference of six teams. But we would be reckless if we were pushed by another territory’s dynamics into destroying what has made us the rugby nation we are over the last 118 years of Currie Cup rugby.”

Marinos said that SA Rugby had also been exploring options in the light of the suspension of the negotiations.

“We all have to look to the future and we’ll also be following through by investigating some interesting opportunities that have emerged since it became common knowledge that this negotiation was proving troublesome,” he said.

“There is an interest from some of the Home Unions to link up in a regional competition in the same time window as the current Super 14 and we’re looking at other ideas as well.

“What we’re all clear about and have agreed though is to the continuation of the TriNations and will plan to meet with Argentina and the IRB in May to further discuss the possible inclusion of Argentina in the competition to create a Four Nations.”

Marinos said that the Super Rugby discussions would also continue at CEO level at the IRB meeting.

Once SANZAR do find common ground on the June window there is still the hot-potato of who gets the 15th team in an expanded Super 15 as South Africa are pressing ahead with their plans for a 15th team and announced yesterday that they have re-named the team for the Super 15 the Southern Kings and said the coach will be appointed in July



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  • Marinos said that the sticking point centred on differing attitudes to playing Super Rugby in the June in-bound Test window.

    “We’re all agreed on expansion and lengthening the Super Rugby season,” he said.

    “To accommodate that, Australia and New Zealand want to continue playing Super Rugby with weakened teams during the June in-bound Test window

    Are they off of their Frikken heads!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!

    Not only do they want to screw the Currie Cup over, they now want to remove top players from the Super Rugby!!!!!!!!!.

    ARE F*&&EN mad?????????????????

  • Comment 1, posted at 29.04.09 23:39:15 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Thats why I say stuff them lets go elsewhere, they need us more than we need them especially the Aussies cause there rugby is not exactly on the climb

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.04.09 06:39:49 by Whindy Reply
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  • Cancel the S14 and keep the 3N/4N, there might be more money involved if we go north, also there are not 14 super teams, theres only like 10 imo.

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.04.09 06:58:05 by JarsonX Reply
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  • these bloody australians just pisses me off no matter what or who they are. Come on SA give them the finger! :evil:

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.04.09 07:01:03 by JarsonX Reply
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  • I must say I admire Marinos and the rest of the SARU leadership for taking a tough stance on this whole issue.

    Screw the Aussies, they’ve been treating us like shite for years now so its time to look after our own interests.

    Remember the ‘Let’s get the Japies’ fax??

    F#$^ them!!! :evil:

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.04.09 07:27:16 by wpw Reply
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  • I have had a 8 hours since I saw this and I am still flabbergasted by some of the excerpts in here.

    Whilst two of the partners of SANZAR seem happy to play internationals in the June Test window it would seem that little research has been done on this in particular as one can hardly imagine that the likes of England, Ireland, France and Wales would be happy with being reduced to being treated as mid-week teams in favour of a provincial tournament – even if they do tour in June with second stringers.

    The Springboks, All Blacks and Wallabies could end up with no one to play in June if the Northern Hemisphere nations do not agree to be reduced to mid-week teams.

    From this excerpt above it seems that not only could they care less about the Currie cup or their own domestic competitions but because of wanting to play Super rugby through the June test window and consider the Super series important enough to move the Tests to midweek games rather than the super series. :evil:

    O’Neal seems dead set on destroying the SANZAR agreement.

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.04.09 08:18:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I am glad Marinos standing up here. Thank vok for the small unions, being called amateur in the past but look at NZ. Their small provinces look like a goner and I am disappointing on them, they busy killing their own game following Oneil and will end up with no structure if they dont wake up.

    Think it can be easy to fix this. Lets play CC/NPC first and the top lot qualify in a lessor team Super Rugby compo. The others can jol Vodacom during that time.

    Zanzar is actually stupid to think this conferense shite will work. Hey its suppose to be like sex, more about quality then quantity.

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.04.09 08:53:00 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 7) :

    Hey, this is a family site!!! :wink:

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.04.09 09:03:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 8) :

    If it was not for PB’s contents in his comment. ther would be no families… :wink:

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.04.09 09:35:44 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 9) : Dankie sussie! Jy red my. :lol:

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.04.09 09:38:04 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 10) :

    Jy’s welkom, ou Groote.. :wink:

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.04.09 10:09:48 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 9) : @PaarlBok (Comment 10) :

    I get it!

    Its admirable the way you ‘oldies’ stick up for each other. :twisted:

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.04.09 10:33:39 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 12) :

    Oud ma nog nie koud…. :lol:

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.04.09 10:35:52 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 13) :

    of DIK nie… :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.04.09 10:36:33 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 14) :

    Hey watch it!!! :???: :lol:

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.04.09 10:50:02 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 15) :

    i DO WATCH it…but maybe YOU should try Weight WATCHers… :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.04.09 10:58:58 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • The work of a Sanzar task team intended to devise a structure for Super Rugby on which all three parties could agree has been suspended at the request of Australia.

    I only picked this bit up on the 3rd read of the article.

    So the task team has ALREADY been suspended. :evil: The Aussies are (Well at least O’Neal) a bunch of dicks. :evil: :mad:

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.04.09 11:10:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 17) :

    Hullo Daar…. :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.04.09 11:12:45 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • Morning all, lets go north!

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.04.09 11:26:36 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 19) : wet, cold (possible hypothermia :???: , backs with clean shorts, games during normal hours – why would you want this :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.04.09 11:39:00 by rekinek Reply
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  • Thing is this proposed one is a real fake anyway,
    3 conferences 5 teams each
    meaning home and away in the SA one (4×2)=8 plus (5 x2) =10 matches from the other two countries, 9 home and 9 away games = 18 matches.

    Now they all end up on the same log meaning SA team play different matches to Aus team to NZ team.

    You honestly believe this will make this super, super compo better? Kak I mean.

    They should have send me to Dubai and I would have come up with something better.

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.04.09 11:41:46 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 20) : :lol: Problem is, we might make rugby players out of the northern hemisphere teams! Imagine the next world cup :shock:

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.04.09 11:48:05 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 22) : it will feel like curry cup !

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.04.09 11:56:18 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 16) :

    NO you DIDN’T!! :shock:

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.04.09 12:03:47 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 24) :

    Yes i DID…

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.04.09 12:23:02 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • Anyone see the article on Earl Rose on Keo

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.04.09 12:34:54 by Claytie Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 26) : Ja, I dont rate him only caus ehe is too small. Try and beef him up and his game goes out the window!

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.04.09 12:43:53 by Rahul Reply

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  • JW – he needs to add 3 to 5 kg and improve his decision making!!! :shock:
    What else is there in a rugby player?

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.04.09 12:49:34 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 28) :

    Who is that? Earl Rose? :shock:

    He needs 3 to 5 TON before he is heavy enough.

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.04.09 13:22:16 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Jake really does have an eye for talent:

    Habana
    Steyn
    and now Rose

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.04.09 13:23:21 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 29) :

    And yet Paulse played how many test for SA despite weighing under 80kgs. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.04.09 13:25:08 by wpw Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 28) :

    LOOKKS????? :twisted: :twisted: :oops: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.04.09 13:29:25 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 28) : As a side note – Glory glory Man United Glory glory Man United….im sure you agree :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.04.09 13:29:34 by Claytie Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 33) :

    Well done to your team last night. :roll:

    Arsenal were pants though!! :???:

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.04.09 13:35:59 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 31) :

    Is Earl converting to a speedy wing? Oh in that case then he has to work on his speed as well. We know he has a problem in that department.

    As a flyhalf though, that slight frame of his is only going to stop so many players before it starts to crumble.

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.04.09 13:37:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 34) : We were good.Arsenals goalkeeper was on fire :!:

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.04.09 13:39:49 by Claytie Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 35) :

    The guy weighs 84kgs.

    That is not bad dude… I mean really now!!!

    Bet you he weighs about the same as Giteau and Michalak. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.04.09 13:54:22 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 35) :

    Giteau weighs in at 85kgs
    Michalak weighs in at 84kgs

    You like apples??

    Well how’s them apples??? :twisted:

  • Comment 38, posted at 30.04.09 13:56:07 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 37) :

    @wpw (Comment 38) :

    I would prefer to look at the players and confirm that he is quite a bit smaller than Giteau and Michalak.

    I suspect he was weighed with a broken scale, or they put his target weight in in stead of his actual weight.

  • Comment 39, posted at 30.04.09 14:03:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 38) :

    Them apples were hidden in the luggage he was holding when they weighed him.

  • Comment 40, posted at 30.04.09 14:06:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 39) :

    Quade Cooper weighs in at 84kgs as well. :roll:

  • Comment 41, posted at 30.04.09 14:09:16 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 40) :

    bwahahahahaha

    Brilliant comeback OUBAAS!!!

    Speaking of apples, I’m hungry!! :roll: :???:

  • Comment 42, posted at 30.04.09 14:12:47 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : @wpw (Comment 41) :

    Yes china, but all of those mentioned actually have talent.

    They want Rose to bulk up because the only way he would get close to competing with those mentioned is if we weighed more than them.

  • Comment 43, posted at 30.04.09 14:17:21 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Hanging around on the kiwi sites there is a begrudging respect for SA’s stance on this matter and I’ve seen several kiwis wishing their representatvies would take a similar stance to jackass o’neill.

  • Comment 44, posted at 30.04.09 14:18:41 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 42) : apples not really helpful for hunger.

  • Comment 45, posted at 30.04.09 14:20:12 by rekinek Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 43) :

    I agree that Earl is not nearly as good as Giteau but that isn’t the point now is it?? :twisted:

    Dude, send me an email. I don’t have your new email addy. :wink:

  • Comment 46, posted at 30.04.09 14:33:39 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 41) :

    And again. Put him next to Rose and Rose will look like a school kid.

    Did anyone tell the Roses that they should be weighed by a doctor. Not by a Public relations expert or by his agent?

  • Comment 47, posted at 30.04.09 14:33:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 46) :

    I dunno dude, if you’re saying he should be picked for the Boks then it sort of is… :-)

    Whats your email addres?

  • Comment 48, posted at 30.04.09 14:36:01 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 44) : True. Hell where do we post now?

  • Comment 49, posted at 30.04.09 14:46:08 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 48) :

    I am HIGHLY offended that you don’t have my email address!!! :evil:

    hehehe

    wesley at redwooddesign dot co za :wink:

  • Comment 50, posted at 30.04.09 14:48:15 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 50) :

    Don’t BOTH of you have Sharksworld addresses? :???:

  • Comment 51, posted at 30.04.09 14:55:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I see the Force is now chasing Hougaard, Grant said no then?

  • Comment 52, posted at 30.04.09 15:11:50 by Claytie Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 51) : dunno??

    :roll:

  • Comment 53, posted at 30.04.09 15:11:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 51) : :razz:

  • Comment 54, posted at 30.04.09 15:12:15 by Claytie Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 53) :

    Yes you do, I’ve just sent you both a “there is no medicine for being “dof” email. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 30.04.09 15:14:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Claytie (Comment 52) :

    Can I send you one of those emails as well? :lol:

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2009/04/29/liefling-could-replace-giteau/

  • Comment 56, posted at 30.04.09 15:17:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 56) : :oops:

  • Comment 57, posted at 30.04.09 15:19:52 by Claytie Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 52) :

    Grant wants to play for the Boks and in order to do this he needs to play for the Stormers!!!

    You know the Bok coach favours players from CT!!

    (sorry I’m trying to fit in here at Sharksworld) :twisted:

  • Comment 58, posted at 30.04.09 15:21:26 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 58) :

    You have the play for Boks bit right, it’s the “to do this he needs to play for the Stormers” bit completely wrong though. :wink:

  • Comment 59, posted at 30.04.09 15:23:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Well – all thats left to say is…..

    GOOOOOOO SHAAAAARRRRRKKKKSSSSSS!!!!!!!

    Have a good weekend, drive safely if you are on the road and sleep over if you have had too much!! :wink: :wink:

  • Comment 60, posted at 30.04.09 15:41:34 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 6) :

    Taine Randell’s view on this.

    I see Steve Tew has talked about extending Super rugby into June and having games coincide with internationals. He’s also said this is something that works in Europe.

    Well, I think Steve should check his sources because one of the frustrations about playing in Europe is that club rugby coincides with the Six Nations and November tests.

    The players don’t like it and the spectators don’t like it. It’s just a frustration and it’s something that is really wrong with the game over there.

    A number of teams have a lot of test stars and every year they complain about how they are severely weakened and penalised over the international weekends.

    As a player over there, I remember it as something that didn’t work. To suggest it does work is wrong. In fact, it’s something we should avoid.

    It would happen here near the business end of the competition and all of a sudden a team would lose five or six of their best players. It would make a real mockery of Super rugby.

  • Comment 61, posted at 03.05.09 06:46:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 51) :

    Does everyone qualify for a $harksworld e-mail aDDy?

    :wink:

  • Comment 62, posted at 03.05.09 14:35:22 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 62) :

    Only if you don’t have a dinkskrum one :razz:

  • Comment 63, posted at 03.05.09 15:00:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 63) :

    Ah!

  • Comment 64, posted at 03.05.09 15:06:23 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 63) : dinksrum :?: :mrgreen: what language is this

    and helloooo

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