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Plumtree: We messed it up


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Sharks, Super 14 on 11 May 2009 at 06:58
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We played for our lives on Saturday. I know we still have an outside chance, but I think we are already dead.”

Sport 24 reports that, that was the view of bitterly disappointed Sharks coach John Plumtree after his side lost their crucial Super 14 clash against the Waratahs 12-16 on Saturday.

“After Saturday I cannot honestly say we deserve to be in the semi-finals. There are no excuses. There were opportunities, but they got away from us. We owe our supporters an apology.”

Plumtree added that the Sharks were thoroughly aware of the dangers posed by the Waratahs.

“We reacted badly to the pressure of the occasion. The Waratahs deserved their win,” he said.

Plumtree believes the Sharks had opportunities to win the game.

“Perhaps the penalty when JP (Pietersen) was over the goallline was a little harsh, but we cannot complain. Stefan Terblanche’s mistake when he missed his kick at the ball in the goal area was completely out of character.

“Our scrumming was also disappointing. The guys had desire against the Highlanders. Was that the case on Saturday? Granted, the Waratahs have a good scrum.

“We’ll play hard against the Bulls. We are still in with a shot and we’ll see how next week unfolds. I would definitely like a South African team in the semi-finals, but we’re not going to hand it to them on a platter.”

Plumtree believes his side lost momentum when Ruan Pienaar was injured in the fourth round.

“That meant Frans Steyn had to play out of position and it was a big disruption when Adi Jacobs injured his shoulder,” he said.

“But the injuries are not an excuse. We knew what we had to do and could not execute. We had everything in place for an excellent campaign, but messed it up.”

Captain Johann Muller did not want to blame the wet conditions.

“It made play difficult, but some of the mistakes were a result of our confidence being down,” he said.

“We won three out of four games, but have struggled since we got a hiding in Bloemfontein. We’re not giving up. We’ll throw everything at the Bulls.”



74 Comments

  • excuses, excuses. 12 games of excuses.

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.05.09 07:16:46 by try time (history forgets losers) Reply
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  • Plumtree: We messed it up

    That we did. :sad:

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.05.09 07:17:28 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Stefan Terblanche’s mistake when he missed his kick at the ball in the goal area was completely out of character

    Yip. He has had a solid season and that momentary brainfart is all that TT will need to crucify him. (or should that be past tense :wink: )

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.05.09 07:20:36 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Stefan had a good season nonetheless.

    I still dont see any ideas about what went wrong ALL SEASON?

    What is the problem and how are you gonna fix it???

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.05.09 08:09:37 by Big Fish Reply
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  • “but I think we are already dead.”

    And that is what the difference is between a good team, and a champion team.

    You think like that you should never have started this tournament in the first place.

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.05.09 08:10:02 by Morné Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 4) :

    Start with your leadership.

    And start off by having your leaders surpress ego’s, not encourage it.

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.05.09 08:11:25 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 5) :

    YIP!!!!!!!

    Even I think we are still in with a chance of making the 4th spot. :wink: Why on earth would the coach think we don’t.

    I’ll tell you what. IF it transpires that by the time we kick-off on Saturday that we can no longer make the semi’s, it will going to be a massacre out there. If Plumtree portrays the feeling of “our season is over” to the players it will spread like a disease and the Bulls will score at will.

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.05.09 08:13:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Yes we did.

    We didn’t correct any of the mistakes we made in the first few rounds of the competition…but continued to add more mistakes every week.

    What exactly did you guys do at the training grounds between matches???

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.05.09 08:31:28 by blackshark - YNWA Reply

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  • Well if by some miracle we make the playoffs, please send all the guys on holiday, bring in the entire Lions squad, give them Sharks jerseys and tell them to just go for it. They may not win but will at least entertain, which is way more bearable than losing and being bored to destruction.

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.05.09 08:53:49 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 3) : that is the second time he has cocked up a clear out this season that has lead to a try. the last time he was too lazy to dot the ball, so he kicked it over the dead ball line. so instead of a 22 we had to defend a 5m scrum, which resulted into a try. stefan is crap. he catches a ball and kicks it. that is the sum total of the guys skill. he creates squat and he has lost two must win games for us in two years. i am actually reconsidering my comments about rose being worse than him. i can’t wait for the guy to retire.

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.05.09 08:59:53 by try time (history forgets losers) Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 4) : the problem is we kick our possession away. we are to impatient to create phases. every player believes they can score a try from our own try line. too many 50/50 passes that should have rather been recycled. we have a good game when we have put together more than 11 phases in it. i think that has only happened twice this season. basically the guys are running around like headless chickens. we have the wrong guy as captain, as the only time the team seems vaguely interested is when js is on the field. i never thought i would say this, but i think dick is a better coach than plum. plum has disappointed us. but in his defence, adolf hasn’t bought any players that will scare the starters into working. they know their place is safe, so why do we actually have to perform. under muir no-ones place was a given.

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.05.09 09:06:53 by try time (history forgets losers) Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 9) : not a bad idea. they at least try to score tries. i think they have scored more than the sharks. imagine if they got a good defensive coach in.

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.05.09 09:08:26 by try time (history forgets losers) Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 4) :

    I said at the time I hoped I would not have to come back and say; “I told you so”

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2009/02/18/it-could-cost-them/

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.05.09 09:14:56 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 13) : yeah and remember this article i got lambasted for. http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2009/02/15/deja-vu/

    funny how we saw the sharks failing after one game. are they that predictable?

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.05.09 09:26:52 by try time (history forgets losers) Reply

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  • morning all.

    bit sad – sharks did not look great on Saturday.

    + all the refs’ decisions they had in their favour earlier are coming back to haunt them.

    @try time (history forgets losers) (Comment 11) : such unceratinty for places also not the best solution i guess.

    @Morné (Comment 13) : please don’t :sad:

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.05.09 09:34:11 by rekinek Reply
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  • what is even more amazing is that the sharks never fixed the problems they themselves pointed out in the post match interviews. that is a poor sign of the leadership and coaches in the team.

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.05.09 09:39:29 by try time (history forgets losers) Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 15) : at least you would have someone to replace out of form or injured players.

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.05.09 09:41:21 by try time (history forgets losers) Reply

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  • @try time (history forgets losers) (Comment 17) : i do not mean that they should have 1 flyhalf, 1 hooker etc or that second choices should not get chances in games against less threatening teams (like reds or cheetahs :-) )

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.05.09 09:44:14 by rekinek Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : imo plum and muller messed it up

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.05.09 13:08:29 by JarsonX Reply
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  • i too think muir is the better coach

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.05.09 13:23:08 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 20) : might be why he’s with the Boks now…

    Hey, Plummo won the Currie Cup, though… Muir never managed that.

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.05.09 13:33:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • but muir never actually coached the CC remember he went to NZ the one year and the next year he was somewhere…. :razz:

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.05.09 13:49:04 by JarsonX Reply
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  • plumtree’s not the problem, he’s a fine coach.

    the sharks dont have the depth of a S14 champion side (apart from the frontrow), they have a first XV who if fit can play and beat any side home and away.

    However, when Deysel went down injured, they started losing their first few as expected, and now with 9. kockett 10. pienaar 12. steyn 13. jacobs all out or played out of position, the result on sat was pretty predictable. NSW have a helluva pack and were going to shade it.

    Bottomline, sharks were unlucky with injuries, just about their entire back division is out or not match sharp for whatever reason. Its bad enough losing pienaar, but all 4 out, is a disaster.

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.05.09 14:00:07 by cab Reply

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  • @cab (Comment 23) : and the injuries messed up our VC campaign as well, but as coach he is responsible for the teams mental and physical fitness and if he felt that he doesnt have depth in his backline, why didnt he make a plan last year or pre season, and why did he make Muller captain when Smit is clearly the better captain and why is the Sharks attacking ability not what it was. This was his 1st S14 as head coach but surely he knew what to expect. I dont want to fire the guy and he isnt the only one to blame. Lets just hope the entire Sharks management learns from this so that it doesnt happen again

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.05.09 14:11:33 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @cab (Comment 23) :

    i tend to agree.

    i was doing the FL updates this morning and noticed the bulls bench of this past weekend. :shock:

    Our big problem is we don’t have a bench like that to call on.

    Chilli
    Gerber
    PK Rossouw
    P3
    Hougaard
    JP Nel (discipline has been good this season)
    Francis.

    The two inexperienced guys in there are of the best in the country.

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.05.09 14:12:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • 1. Beast 2. Bismarck 3. Jannie Dup
    4. Sykes 5. Muller
    6. Botes 7. Deysel 8. Kankowski

    9. Kockett 10. Pienaar
    12. Steyn 13. Jacobs
    11. JP 14. Murray 15. Terreblanche.

    That is a worldclass outfit, which could prob give most test sides a go.

    On the plus side, I believe Deysel and Sykes are probably just off Springbok selection. Their early hype actually appears to have been justified (which is often not the case) and are players who’ve stepped into Ackerman and AJs role extremely well. Next year they will be even better.

    On the minus side, Frans Steyn is a huge loss. He is a worldclass 12 and a kingpin in any backline who will be severely missed imo.

    If they want to give themselves an even better chance of succeeding, the need to develop or buy a backup lock or blinsider for the squad system like the bulls who have rossouw and wannenberg, its why at the start of the season my choice was the bulls over the sharks, even tho the sharks might even have aruably a slightly better run-on XV when all fit, they dont have the bulls depth.

    For what its worth, i think the sharks have been very unlucky, not only in the final in 2007, which they (not the bulls) deserved to win, but also with their injuries this year. Its a shame because they’d actually beaten most of the better sides, but losses to the cheetahs and reds were not good, cant slip up at that level, and of course kockett’s brainfart last week will leave the Sharks union fuming.

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.05.09 14:14:09 by cab Reply

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  • @cab (Comment 26) : cab – that’s a refreshing viewpoint. Thanks

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.05.09 14:16:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 24) :
    you raise some good points, but i dont believe that a coach can try and plan for injury. The only way to do that is to buy established players in at the start of the season, which is difficult to do cos a) it costs money and b) if they’re any good they wont want to sit on the bench to cover for injury.
    The coach cannot plan for kockett throwing a punch in plainsight when they’re already totally depleted, what a disaster.
    plumtree must’ve been pulling out his hair.

    on the captaincy issue, thats pretty interesting, you may be right there after all Smit is imo one of the best in the world. The problem is Bismark is a better hooker and Smit is therefore unlikely to be on the field all the time. Muller’s a pretty good captain in my opinion.

    The sharks are not losing games for lack of captaincy, remember Smit is still there and will still be barking orders. He also decided to leave the sharks for a year, whereas Muller stayed loyal, so there’s a good case that plummo was rewarding loyalty and wanted consistency.

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 25) :
    yip, that bench is why the Bulls were my pick from the start, but actually watching the way Sykes and Deysel have developed, the sharks first XV is potentially awesome. Fantastic frontrow depth too.
    But we are talking about the difference between being a very good side and being the best, i.e. a S14 champion side. For that too happen they need some worldclass depth coming off at blinside, flyhalf and 1 more outside back. That would need to be bought in, locals like mcleod etc might be good in a couple of years, but if one wants to win, they need to be worldclass right now.

    I feel very sorry for the sharks though, they deserve better. Still at least they’ve been one of the heavyweight contender for a while now, try being a lions follower.

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.05.09 14:25:43 by cab Reply

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  • @cab (Comment 28) : I’m pretty glad that I’m not the only one to recognise that Sykes has been superb this season. What a grafter.

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.05.09 14:27:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) :
    you were right about both sykes and deysel, outstanding talent, not only for sharks but SA in general. muller is a huge grafter, but why sykes is so rare is his prescence, big powerful and belligerant, a year or two’s time if he continues like he is, will be able to step into bakkies role as meneer enforcer, and there are very few no 4 locks like that in SA, it was a real worry.

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.05.09 14:34:54 by cab Reply

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  • @cab (Comment 28) :

    HAD we not suffered injuries and or suspensions we would have had a pretty damn good bench. :sad:

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.05.09 14:49:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @cab (Comment 30) : sometimes I get one or two calls right :)

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.05.09 14:50:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : @cab (Comment 30) :

    And I have been saying that for almost three years now… :roll: when all was out crucifying him, i said to hold on…he is still young.. :cool:

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.05.09 14:52:37 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) :

    Now you sound like Rassie Erasmus…

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.05.09 14:58:50 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) : I tell you who is playing good rugby even if he is the oldest player is one AJ Venter

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.05.09 15:00:32 by Whindy Reply
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  • we definitely need a good fullback, stefan will probably retire next year or maybe even this year, and a good attacking centre(jaque fourie), a big ball carrying loose forward will help as well and a flyhalf(rian viljoen maybe) wont hurt either

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 36) :

    Buy Louis Ludik.

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.05.09 15:03:44 by Morné Reply
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  • If I were Plumtree I would phone Grantand tell him to pack his bags and come home, I know Rob is not a fan, but behind a decent pack I reckon he could be good news

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  • @Morné (Comment 37) : Leave him alone!!

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  • @Morné (Comment 37) : can work

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.05.09 15:07:11 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 34) : :mrgreen:

    @Whindy (Comment 35) : He is, at the moment.

    I didn’t think his early season was that good, maybe because he wasn’t being used that much then. Who would have thought that at his age he would get better the further you went into the season.

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.05.09 15:09:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 37) :

    I tend to agree, he has had a good season.

    I would also show an interest in Burton Francis as a flyhalf backup

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.05.09 15:10:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 42) :

    Yup, good little player that.

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.05.09 15:11:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 39) : :mrgreen:

    Where is Walter? I am keen to know if he is part of the player exodus from the Lions to Europe.

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.05.09 15:11:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 43) :

    He has a BIG future ahead of him as the #1 flyhalf at whichever union he plays in the next 2 years or so.

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.05.09 15:14:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • You lot wants us to replace Rassie and keep on drilling about our Light Five. You have a Springbok Tight Five and still struggle, maybe its time to blow Plumtree goodbye. He have all the tolls and struggle.

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.05.09 15:14:35 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 44) : Not sure, you would have to talk to Transvaal, he seams to have the inside track on that story.

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.05.09 15:16:00 by Whindy Reply
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  • If Mossie goes it will be to Clemont to join Marius Joubert.

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.05.09 15:16:23 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 48) : Those Monnas boys mossie,Ludik and venter dont like to leave the nest, they are happy within the confines of Krugersdorp they will not leave unless they all go together.

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 48) :

    What happened with the schoolboy rugby this weekend?

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.05.09 15:22:47 by Morné Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 47) : Transvaal IS Walter :)

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.05.09 15:36:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 50) : Boys’ High lost to Affies.

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.05.09 15:37:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 50) : I have post on the Oneil thread. Nagmerrie! :roll:

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.05.09 15:40:12 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : You mean the Pretoria Boishaai, think Morne target me as he know all about the Paarl lot! Skandes.

  • Comment 54, posted at 11.05.09 15:41:52 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 49) : Nope Boet, I talked to Marius dad on saturday, He will target them via Clermont. Grant Esterhuizen is already there and Affies not to far from Monnas. Pap en sous and they’ll go.

  • Comment 55, posted at 11.05.09 15:43:54 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 54) : I do mean Pretoria, yes :)

  • Comment 56, posted at 11.05.09 16:10:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) :

    i think He knows that. :lol:

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.05.09 16:16:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Plumtree believes his side lost momentum when Ruan Pienaar was injured in the fourth round.

    ????? one injury and the team falls apart?????

  • Comment 58, posted at 12.05.09 13:51:35 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 58) : I think I wrote an article about that at the start of the season…

  • Comment 59, posted at 12.05.09 14:07:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) :

    Was that before you wrote the one about the Sharks going all the way??? :twisted: :twisted:

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.05.09 14:12:19 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : He cant be serious? The whole team looked flat, unmotivated and totally out of ideas. Where is the hunger? Are they all just happy to get a payday in the current economic climate? (I am generalising here)

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.05.09 14:21:20 by Rahul Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : how prophetic: http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2009/02/10/the-fragile-five/

  • Comment 62, posted at 12.05.09 14:22:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : Well done Nostradamus… Why is there no backup at 10?

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.05.09 14:28:12 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 63) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 64, posted at 12.05.09 14:38:57 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 63) : because Plum clearly didn’t watch the BaaBaas game last year

  • Comment 65, posted at 12.05.09 15:02:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : :?: :?:

  • Comment 66, posted at 12.05.09 15:03:38 by Rahul Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 36) : hopefully tomorrow. or if we are lucky today :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 67, posted at 12.05.09 15:11:20 by try time (history forgets losers) Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : as I said before you actually managed to jinx them all :mrgreen:

    considering your “prophetical” qualities I am glad that there is a miracle thread on :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 12.05.09 15:17:10 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : maybe he was still at seyschelles then :mrgreen:

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  • @try time (history forgets losers) (Comment 67) : :grin:

  • Comment 70, posted at 12.05.09 15:34:27 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 68) : ha ha

  • Comment 71, posted at 12.05.09 15:35:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 68) :

    Yeah – so ROB is actually to blame here… :twisted:

  • Comment 72, posted at 12.05.09 15:39:06 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 72) :

    Heading shoudl be:

    ROBDYLAN: I messed it up…

  • Comment 73, posted at 12.05.09 15:40:09 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 73) : :lol:

    The answer is : …. leave TT to do the gloomy stuff and Rob should concentrate on positives :lol:

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