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‘Aus, NZ can’t do without SA’


Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :In the news, Super 14 on 12 May 2009 at 07:41
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Australian rugby boss John O’Neill has been called to order by South African Rugby Union (SARU) president Oregan Hoskins.

Stephen Nell reports for sport24.co.za:

O’Neill on Monday launched yet another attack on South Africa by accusing SA Rugby of “bluffing” in negotiations about future SANZAR competition structures.

With the SANZAR alliance (South Africa, New Zealand and Australia) shaky, rumours are doing the rounds that South Africa may look to defect to the northern hemisphere. O’Neill believes South Africa are bluffing.

“As chairman of SANZAR I wish to call on all parties not to make public statements. It’s unbecoming and breaching protocol,” said Hoskins.

“We are supposed to discuss issues at meetings. It complicates the partnership when someone makes statements in the media. We can issue joint statements.”

Hoskins will chair Thursday’s SANZAR’S meeting in a joint effort to revive negotiations about the future of Super rugby.

Australia and New Zealand have started discussions about a Trans-Tasman competition in which Japan will also become involved. This would exclude South Africa.

“Australia and New Zealand cannot do without South Africa. We have the biggest market and the most lucrative TV component. We add a lot of value,” said Hoskins.

He believes all three countries should concentrate their efforts on resolving the deadlock.

“South Africa believes Super rugby should start in mid-February. Australia and New Zealand want it to start early in March. They also want Super rugby to be played at the time of the June Test window. We are against that. Those are the issues we should be focusing on,” said Hoskins.

He is not aware of any South African bluff. He also does not believe South Africa are being unreasonable about wanting a sixth franchise in the Australian conference.

“It’s not a demand. SANZAR have laid down criteria and anyone can apply. All three countries will do that,” he said.

Hoskins still believes a solution can be found. “We have a meeting now where we can talk straight and we’ll have to find a solution, even if it takes some time,” said Hoskins.

Earlier, AFP reported O’Neill as describing South Africa’s northern hemisphere link as a “long-held bluff”.

“From all the enquiries we’ve made, we believe there isn’t an exit for them in the north. What has happened is Australia and New Zealand, out of pure frustration, have worked on a trans-Tasman competition which does work, with five or six teams from Australia and five or six from New Zealand.

“It’s a Super 10 or Super 12, played over two rounds, and bringing in Japan in a couple of years’ time. It’s a pretty elegant solution.

“The roles have changed in that we have a plan B and I’m not sure South Africa do.

“On a couple of occasions we thought we’d had an agreement but the South Africans have changed their minds. They’re very unpredictable.

“We don’t want South Africa to drop out of Super rugby, we want them to stay in. But the conditions they’re attaching to their participation are in our view unreasonable.”

Meanwhile, SA Rugby’s acting managing director, Andy Marinos, has said that he has held discussions about a possible alternative for South Africa if no agreement is reached at SANZAR level. He did not want to provide further details.



40 Comments

  • “It’s a Super 10 or Super 12, played over two rounds, and bringing in Japan in a couple of years’ time. It’s a pretty elegant solution.”

    Talk about pulling the wool over your own eyes.

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.05.09 09:27:31 by Ollie Reply
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  • Agree oLLie

    O’NeiLL should put the gratis Bundaberg aside and take a long and serious rethink on this.

    elegant Shark though- that avatar of yours!

    smoking some of DeBBen’s finest?

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.05.09 10:02:15 by Oranje Orakel Reply
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  • @Ollie (Comment 1) :

    Yeah. And add this bit from an earlier article to it.

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2009/05/01/future-of-super-rugby-on-a-knife-edge

    Tew said the Japanese talks were “a lot more positive” than earlier discussions. He felt that while a 2011 start might be too soon for them they could possibly come up with two teams towards the end of any new five-year deal.

    Then the Japanese wouldn’t be able to play or give the cash injection (the ONLY reason they are there) required until 2016!!

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.05.09 10:02:46 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 2) :

    And I’ll tell you what Bundaberg tastes like petrol :sad: Maybe it IS petrol. That would explain the brain problems with Aus drinkers. :smile:

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.05.09 10:04:17 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 2) :

    He’s an Aussie, the one nation in the world that have even bigger mouths than Saffas. he will keep sprouting off at the mouth even if HE realises he has made a mistake.

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.05.09 10:13:45 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 2) :

    Yep, I think he needs to chat to the average kiwi as well, they vote with there wallets and they surely aren’t interested in watching a watered down S10 with some Jap teams added later.

    Hell, they are already starting to abandon the stadiums in the current format.

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.05.09 10:27:38 by Ollie Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :

    hehehe

    giMMe Squadies then!

    AgrEE oLLie- its sEEms that Tew is a bit out of touch with his constituants.

    Nice riding on the O’NeiLL bandwagon to Lala Land!

    Quite comfy with BigBruDDer acro$$ the Tasman.

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.05.09 10:33:05 by Oranje Orakel Reply
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  • Lol. It’s all falling apart for old o’Neill.

    I just love the way he continually spouts off about SA having no fall-back solution when we fact we do have a fall-back solution – die Kerrie Koppie!
    It’s then that doesnt have a fall-back solution.

    Now tell me how he is prepared to have a super 10 but not the Super 15 we currently have?

    This man is an abject idiot. And a despicable little man too.

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.05.09 11:16:34 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :

    Eish

    For some okes you are actuaLLy then in the beverage industry!

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.05.09 11:24:00 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 8) :

    Agree fuLLy!

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.05.09 11:24:19 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 2) :

    P.s. Nah, he’s a good little shark, doesn’t actually even inhale ;-)

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.05.09 11:24:21 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 11) :

    :cool:

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.05.09 11:25:28 by Oranje Orakel Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 9) : :?:

    is there a word missing in there. :smile: I can’t understand what you mean.

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.05.09 15:49:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • “As chairman of SANZAR I wish to call on all parties not to make public statements. It’s unbecoming and breaching protocol,” said Hoskins.

    Good point. one’ill is only diverting attention from the real issues

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.05.09 15:58:06 by Rahul Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 13) :

    Some okes drink Bundaberg

    You reckon Bundaberg tastes like petrol- and I quote

    “And I’ll tell you what Bundaberg tastes like petrol :sad: Maybe it IS petrol. That would explain the brain problems with Aus drinkers. :smile:

    So … drink – beverage- petrol

    that stuFF that comes out of the ground- aLL black & oily that once refined – go bOOm?

    Maybe Orakeleze wont paSS anyway as a scientific oFFshOOt of aulde WiLLem WiKKelspies finest- but next step is to start drawing!

    You Ok wiFF scetchup?

    :wink:

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.05.09 16:06:34 by wiLLem Reply

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  • Their competition will be more modest than S14 but it will still work. OZ have crowds and money and NZ have players. All in the same time-zone.
    OZ rugby survived 25 years without SA in the mix so they can again.

    SA can also do very well in a comp with the NH. But do the NH want SA? That is the big question. If O’neil is correct and SARU does not have a plan B, they will be in big trouble. During isolation there were no pro-leagues in Europe buying the best players. Try playing CC with the best players all up there and the crowds in Durban will soon be as small as in Bloem.

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.05.09 16:06:57 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @wiLLem (Comment 15) :

    nee ek is nou heeltemal verdwaal. :lol:

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.05.09 16:08:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 16) :

    but in the last 12 years they have got used to the big bucks and they will have to revert to very little bucks if SA pull out. They may survive but not comfortably.

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.05.09 16:09:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 16) :

    in Afrikaans there is a saying “Waar die hart van vol is loop die mond van oor”

    With a LITTLE twist this applies to o’Neill pretty damn well. He is worried that SARU are calling HIS bluff and is trying to make it sound like the tables are turned.

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.05.09 16:11:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 18) : SA already takes the bulk of the Sanzar money so AUS share of the new smaller pool may be close to what they get now. Travel cost will be way down too.

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) :
    True they probably do not really want SA out but they at least have a viable alternative. SARU has only rumours.

    Add the daft statements coming from SARU:

    “He also does not believe South Africa are being unreasonable about wanting a sixth franchise in the Australian conference.”

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.05.09 16:37:10 by fyndraai Reply
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  • I think if Sanzar fall apart the best thing for SA would be for the WP, Sharks and Bulls to band together and negotiate entry into a European competition. The NH clubs may be much more receptive dealing with those three, rather than SARU.

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.05.09 16:41:04 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 21) :
    That equates to mutiny. Will never happen in SA for a long time yet.

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.05.09 17:03:28 by Ollie Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 21) : shit cuzin, thats a rebelion like Boje, Klusener and Hall in cricket! ALL those players will do themselves harm and i doubt that any NH clubs would even consider engaging into talks without their union’s/IRB/Saru’s approval

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.05.09 17:13:32 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 22) : Maybe so, rugby is a special fraternity. But I think it is the only way SA teams will get to play. If SARU is involved they will want to include teams that cannot sit (money wise) at the same table as the NH clubs.

    It is also a common setup with pro-sports.
    The English Premiership was formed by the top clubs going outside the FA. Most US sports leagues have always been controlled by the clubs themselves.
    Also note, golf is played under the aegis of the PGA (Professional Golfers Association) not the International Golf Board. Same for tennis.

    Remember how the Spears were sunk when the 5 S14 teams refused to sign the participation agreement. The power is with the big teams, if they act in concert the rugby boards have no power.

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.05.09 17:56:02 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 24) :

    The power is with the circle of 14 and there combined interest in the good of rugby is miniscule at best.

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.05.09 17:59:08 by Ollie Reply

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  • there = their

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.05.09 17:59:25 by Ollie Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 24) : how to get their Chief Execs away from the feeding trough long enough to consider it, though?

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.05.09 18:27:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • SA is already laying the groundwork for entry into Europe.

    What do you think the whole Saracens thing is about?

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.05.09 18:58:13 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • austrailian rugby league rocked by sex scandal :lol: :grin: :mrgreen: :razz: :twisted: i dont know the details, just saw a scrolling message on e-tv news

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.05.09 06:51:03 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 29) : i hope the sheep is ok

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.05.09 07:00:04 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 29) :

    Sex Drugs and alcohol such a good blend. :???: But then in Aus it is Sex, Sheep and Petrol (Bundaberg) :wink:

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.05.09 07:14:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 29) :

    Thank goodness it is Matt Johns who is involved and not Andrew Johns, the guy who helped the Sharks. :wink:

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.05.09 07:25:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 32) : eish! Quite a couple of incedents mention there, just proofs what a bunch of assholes the aussies are

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.05.09 07:30:10 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 33) : for a moment ive thought it was andrew, at 1st i couldnt remember his name :oops:

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.05.09 07:32:06 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 34) :

    Spoken to a few people of late who just keep emphasising how uncouth they are.

    And they wonder why leage has a bigger following the union. Has something to do with birds of a feather flocking together.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.05.09 07:53:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 36) : I think it has a lot to do with the codes, I gather the “leaugies” are the rough boys and this type of behaviour is almost the norm. Matt is a big TV presenter over in oz and has all these diferent personas that he takes on, I wonder which persona he uses for gang bangs, lovely boy!! Just the sort of hero you want for your Kids almost as good as our own Joost, at least this guy had the guts to own up!!

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.05.09 08:09:41 by Whindy Reply
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  • Did you mean Matt WAS a big TV presenter over in Aus? :wink:

    He has been “stood down indefinitely” by both Channel Nine as the assitant coach at Melbourne Storm

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.05.09 08:17:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 37) :

    But it wasn’t Joost in the video, didn’t you hear his say so? :wink:

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.05.09 08:19:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 38) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 39) : Ja its a tough life being a celebrity but if you are dom then you are dom, and Joost is dom, I used to attend charles Glass evenings in JHB and he chatted to us the one night and it was the arrogance and stupidity that got my goat, plus that he was a total racist, used the K-word all the time in front of the waitors etc and it just showed how dom he actualy was!!

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.05.09 08:25:59 by Whindy Reply
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