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The S15 secret is out, more derbies


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Super 14 on 17 May 2009 at 08:00
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There is no official word yet, but it appears that there will be a boost in the number of derbies with a home and away system being implimented for teams within the same country.

Despite top secrecy since last Thursday’s successful SANZAR meeting – at which South Africa confirmed it would remain in the Super rugby competition – Josh Rakic of The Sun-Herald can confirm a 15th team will be included in an extended competition from 2011.

Reds rugby boss Peter Lewis last week demanded Australian teams play each other twice in the regular season to boost patronage and revenue with local derbies. A source close to the SANZAR camp confirmed that this would, in fact, be the case.

All 15 teams will play each other once, while the regular season will be extended by three rounds, during which teams will play three other sides from their respective pools for a second time. This means the Waratahs would be likely to have home and away matches with the Reds, Brumbies and Force.

Instead of having six home games one season and the seven the next, it’s believed all teams will have eight home matches a season, creating three extra revenue-making opportunities over two years.

The good news for Wallabies coach Robbie Deans – who last week gave his public support to expansion – is that the 15th team is all but certain to be based in Melbourne.

The length of the Super season was a big talking point at the meeting, Australia making no secret of its intention to extend the season and start it later to compete with the NRL and AFL.

South Africa was opposed to the suggestion, which would affect its prized domestic Currie Cup season, but the two nations and New Zealand were able to agree on a likely four-week extension.

Final details are still to be nutted out but it’s believed the season could be pushed back a week to start on the second last weekend in February.

If the bye rounds remain as expected, this would push the regular season back until the final weekend of May – the same weekend on which this year’s grand final will be played.

Regardless, all three nations have agreed on an overhaul of the finals system, doing away with the four-team structure to make a six-team finals series.

In the model, teams No. 1 and No. 2 would automatically progress to the grand final qualifiers and teams No. 3 and No. 4 would play teams No. 6 and No. 5 respectively. The winners would go on to battle for a grand final berth against the top two teams.

To accommodate the extra two teams, the finals series will be extended by one week, meaning the Super rugby calendar could run until the end of June, or at least into the third week.



16 Comments

  • if 1 team plays 3 other teams twice(4 teams), 1 team is going to play 1 game less than the others :???: or is my logic screwed

  • Comment 1, posted at 17.05.09 08:14:25 by JarsonX Reply
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  • boring!

  • Comment 2, posted at 17.05.09 08:38:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • So you get to lose twice against the Cheetahs! :lol:

  • Comment 3, posted at 17.05.09 09:27:45 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 3) : like I said – boring! :)

  • Comment 4, posted at 17.05.09 09:57:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • teams No. 1 and No. 2 would automatically progress to the grand final qualifiers and teams No. 3 and No. 4 would play teams No. 6 and No. 5 respectively. The winners would go on to battle for a grand final berth against the top two teams.

    To accommodate the extra two teams, the finals series will be extended by one week, meaning the Super rugby calendar could run until the end of June, or at least into the third week.

    So the rich get richer, or in this case the good get better. You end 1st or second and you get given an extra week’s rest over the opposition you are going to meet in the Semi Final

  • Comment 5, posted at 17.05.09 11:47:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 1) :

    No. I didn’t get that bit either.

  • Comment 6, posted at 17.05.09 11:48:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • So this is how I see it.

    Currently we have a 14 week pool stage. (13 matches plus 1 bye)
    Then we have two weeks for play-offs
    16 weeks in total

    New format. (If each country has five teams)
    8 weeks of games in a domestic round (4 home and 4 away)
    11 weeks of games in an international round (10 games plus 1 bye)
    3 weeks of play-offs
    22 weeks in total

    This year they started at the end of week 7 and are continuing with a 16 week tournament until the end of week 22 (30 May)

    They will start a week later at the end of week 8 (20/21 Feb if we use this year as an eg.) and continue with a 22 week tournament until the end of week 29 (17/18 July if we use this year as an eg.)

    So I think this guy has his wires pretty well crossed actually, or I am missing something

    Final details are still to be nutted out but it’s believed the season could be pushed back a week to start on the second last weekend in February.
    If the bye rounds remain as expected, this would push the regular season back until the final weekend of May – the same weekend on which this year’s grand final will be played.

    How can the season be pushed back by a week you add (3 according to the author)4 games and you still only finish the pool stages a week later than you do now?

    Are we having midweek Games?
    When will the June tours take place, if the S15 is still going until Mid July?

  • Comment 7, posted at 17.05.09 12:07:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I’ll reserve judgment until we see the system.

    I support a conference system. Depends if this is a true conference system or some sorry ass excuse to make more money.

  • Comment 8, posted at 17.05.09 12:40:38 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 8) : guess where my money will be… :)

  • Comment 9, posted at 17.05.09 13:08:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) :

    I am afraid you might be right!

  • Comment 10, posted at 17.05.09 13:42:33 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 10) : it’s not a hard pattern to spot, old friend :(

  • Comment 11, posted at 17.05.09 22:09:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • whats the point of having two currie cup competitions. this is going to kill the game. this seriously will ruin rugby in sa. i think pulling out would have been the better option.

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.05.09 07:22:04 by try time (history forgets losers) Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 3) :

    yuMMy!

    :cool:

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.05.09 09:04:57 by wiLLem Reply

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  • Yay more of the same shit ! What innovation.

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.05.09 10:39:42 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 14) : we are talking rugby men not brain scientists.

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.05.09 10:51:04 by try time (history forgets losers) Reply

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  • @try time (history forgets losers) (Comment 15) : Does that mean that rugby men are dumb asses then? :lol:

    The current comp in all countries is declining so their solution is to extend? WTF?

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.05.09 11:05:49 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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