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Brad Barritt selected for England Saxons


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content on 19 May 2009 at 14:43
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Bradley Barritt will play for the England A team, the Saxons, in the Churchill Cup this summer, effectively closing the door on him representing any other country in the future.

The former Sharks star has enjoyed a superb season with Saracens and his call-up to the England reserve squad is seen by many pundits here as the logical first step towards becoming a stalwart in the England team.

As saddened as I am that Brad will not be a Bok, I’d like to wish him all the best for the future and a successful international career for England.



67 Comments

  • Inevitable i suppose but im gutted. Really like the bloke and wish he was a bok rather.

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.05.09 14:51:33 by billy Reply
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  • Hectic!!!

    So will you and KSA Shark be donning your England jerseys soon??? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.05.09 14:54:46 by wpw Reply
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  • ai, sad news (for us). i can’t remember but if a guy plays for a country’s A team does that mean he cannot represent another country, eventhough he has not got a cap?

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.05.09 14:54:57 by knersboy Reply

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  • @knersboy (Comment 3) : yes – it means he cannot represent another country

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.05.09 14:56:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • I was wondering what was happening to him :?:

    His visit to beloved Durban did not come out as successful. Sometimes it’s better to close the door shut I guess.

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.05.09 14:58:38 by rekinek Reply
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  • Pat Barnard also called up to the Saxons a while ago, but disappeared after that.Damned Poms :!:

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.05.09 15:02:08 by Claytie Reply
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  • A bit kak that he is expected to give up on playing for SA but then doesnt even get a real England cap first.

    Are you sure about that Rob? Surely it’s illogical to deny him the opportunity of playing for SA when he isnt even a capped England player?

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.05.09 15:02:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 7) : SA gave up on Barrit

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.05.09 15:05:46 by Rahul Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 7) :

    Is taht not OUR rule…he will not be considered for SA as he plays for England A?

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.05.09 15:08:07 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 7) :

    IRB Regulation 8.2 reads as follows:

    8.2 A Player who has played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the senior National Representative Sevens Team of a Union is not eligible to play for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the senior National Representative Sevens Team of another Union.

    So yes, Rob is correct, since he is representing the “Next 15 a side representative team” for England, he is no longer eligible to play for any other national union. So he can not be a Bok, once he plays for the England A Side.

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.05.09 15:10:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Pah, who needs Brad Barritt, we have Morgan Newman.

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.05.09 15:10:39 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 9) : Sorry prof, it is an IRB regulation that says once he plays for their A side he is no longer eligible to play for any other national union.

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.05.09 15:11:22 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 7) :

    Rob has it spot on.

    http://www.irb.com/mm/document/lawsregs/0/regulation8081229_6640.pdf

    8.2
    A Player who has played for the senior fifteen-a-side National
    Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National
    Representative Team or the senior National Representative Sevens Team
    of a Union is not eligible to play for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National
    Representative Team or the senior National Representative Sevens Team
    of another Union.

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.05.09 15:12:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 13) : Typical referee, a minute late and a dollar short with the regulations. :lol:

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.05.09 15:13:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 11) : The lovechild of Morgan Freeman and Paul Newman?

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.05.09 15:14:15 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 14) : Oh sorry I should have remembered, you’re over 40 now, no wonder you were so slow. :wink:

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.05.09 15:15:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 10) :

    oops sorry i am a little slow :smile:

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.05.09 15:16:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 14) : :lol:

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 16) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.05.09 15:17:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 17) : You should be impressed, a non-referee that knows how to look up IRB laws and regulations. :lol: For that matter, a non-referee that knows the difference between laws and regulations. :wink:

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.05.09 15:18:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 10) :
    Mr Dancing Bear, just the person I was thinking of yesterday afternoon during the sports report. It was a report on the Volvo ocean race that has just left Boston (I think). In the report they stated that amongst the hazards the yachtsmen would be facing are lobster fields. Did I hear right and if so how are they a hazard.
    Not rugby related but got me wondering?

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.05.09 15:19:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 12) :

    Thanks DB – that was more of a question than an actual factual statement…you know mos I am a little dom with the rules and regulations.. :lol:

    Still waiting for my “Girl Friends guide to rugby” from Sharksworld… :wink:

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.05.09 15:21:18 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) : Lobster fields off the NE coast of North America are areas that are designated for taking lobsters with traps. The areas are littered with lobster pots all over the place, and getting the underwater appendages of a race boat snagged on a lobster pot is very slow. It take some time to get rid of it too. We have a similar problem on the Chesapeake bay with crab traps and fish traps, always have to be on the look out to ensure you don’t get snagged.

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.05.09 15:22:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 21) : Yikes Prof, don’t let KSA hear you say “rules” and regulations. There are no rules in rugby, only laws. :wink: Laws and regulations. :lol:

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.05.09 15:24:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 21) :
    @Dancing Bear (Comment 23) : And he’ll be e-mailing you the largest e-mail you ever received

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.05.09 15:26:00 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 10) : thanks DB.

    Guys – I actually DID go and read up on that before writing the article, you know! Just because some other sites don’t do research before posting… :)

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.05.09 15:27:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 24) : He better not send me an e-mail, I found the regulation before he did. :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.05.09 15:27:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 15) :

    Rahul’s jokes: They’re dry but you can read it… :roll:

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.05.09 15:27:54 by wpw Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 22) :
    If you do happen to get snagged are you allowed to keep some of the contents, as compensation.
    Do you race as per normal after dark or do you take special precautions then.

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.05.09 15:28:29 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : You should have posted a reference to Regulation 8.2 then. :wink: hehehehe

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.05.09 15:28:54 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 27) : :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Do you know a monkey stole our cup?

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.05.09 15:30:52 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 23) :

    LAWS..LAWS..LAWS…I think I’ll remember now! :wink:

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.05.09 15:32:51 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 30) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.05.09 15:33:38 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 28) : Legally, absolutely not, pots are strictly off limits to all but the registered owners. Of course since these boats will be heading to Europe, and not planning to return for some time, perhaps they could get away with it. :grin:

    Racing does not change after dark (significantly) there are rules (yes sailing has rules not laws) that are specific to racing at night, but they are only where boats come close to each other at night. During the day, boats can come as close to each other without hitting, but at night the boats are supposed to stay a minimum of 2 boatlengths apart. This is the only difference in the rules between racing at night and during the day. Other than that, they race just as hard through the night as through the day.

    The Racing Rules of Sailing also specify that international CollRegs (collision regulations) are in effect while racing, so in addition to the Racing Rules of Sailing, you have to follow the CollRegs, which include things like requirements for lighting on the boat during night racing. A boat that does not turn on their running lights 1/2 hour before sunset can be protested and penalized. Happened in the Volvo race about 8 years ago, Paul Cayard protested Dennis Conner for not turning his running lights on just off the coast of NZ.

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.05.09 15:34:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 30) :

    My coussssiiiiiinnn!!! :wink:

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.05.09 15:38:03 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 34) : Hey Wes, I saw your comment in the Chris Jack thread about WP needing an international quality prop. What about signing TGHMEA?

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.05.09 15:39:33 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 35) :

    He unfortunately retired dude.

    How about Ollie Le Roux?? Rassie loves signing pensioners!!! :???:

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.05.09 15:41:14 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 36) : Ollie is retired dude, would rather bring TGHMEA out of retirement than OlliBurger…..:lol: Besides, if Mujati plays like he did against England on the end of year tour, he would be a fine prop. He played really well in that game, and scrummed well also.

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.05.09 15:42:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 37) : Also, I wonder how much the front row woes of the Stormers has to do with the locks. Seems to me the locks at the Stormers, are not the biggest strongest guys around, Bekker is tall, but I just don’t see getting a drive in the scrum like Muller and Sykes provide or Bakkies and Victor provide. I think Chris Jack may help your scrum more than you might think.

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.05.09 15:44:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 33) :
    So effectively they race just as hard at night as in the day but with very limited visibility. I presume that the yachts will have some form of warning satelite devices regarding their proximity issues, would the lobster / crab fields also have warning devices. If not would they sail less “hard” in known lobster fields or would it be a case of as fast as possible with the hope of missing the pots.

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.05.09 15:46:17 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 39) : The boats are all equipped with radar that allows them to see other boats, ship and larger icebergs. The lobster pots are not electronically identified, they are just a small floating buoy with a long rope and lobster pot on the bottom. At night, when I race on the Bay and are in known crab pot territory, I place a lookout on the bow calling the pots, and giving direction to the helmsman. No spot or flood lights, would ruin night vision, so just keep an eye out in the dark. A couple of boats snagged fish traps in the Straights of Malaca earlier in the race.

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.05.09 15:50:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 40) :
    Thanks for that, very informative.
    The next time a Sharkie stuffs up badly we will ship him off to you to play lookout.

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.05.09 15:59:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 41) : hehehe, good punishment that. :wink:

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.05.09 16:01:11 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 40) :

    Hehehehe

    Reminds of the when we sailed up to Durbs for the Da Gama race in ’93, one night we looked and we were on the inside of the shark nets before we saw them. Lucky we didn’t hit them.

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.05.09 16:08:00 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 26) :

    I only read the question AFTEr you did. :wink:

    I knew exactly where to go and look straight away. :wink:

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.05.09 18:04:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Wait a minute….hasn’t Barritt already played for the Boks equivalent of the England A team?

    If he has, then how can that rule work? Or did he just play for the Emerging Boks? (which is not the same as the Bok A team?)

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.05.09 22:38:03 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 45) : correct. Emerging Boks is not South Africa A

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.05.09 22:54:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : Emerging Boks is a misnomer. Should be Blossoming Proteas.

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.05.09 03:49:55 by fyndraai Reply
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  • What is it with these Kearsney Boys, all play for England, just hope he does not discover the white stuff, Mr Stevens stuffed up his career on!!

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.05.09 07:07:16 by Whindy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) :

    Yip there was some agreement made between SARU and the IRB a while back that the Emerging Boks will have limited acces to which players they can use to limit them walking away with the trophy each year.

    Not sure of the EXACT rule but something along the lines of no past or current Boks are allowed to play for the Emerging Boks.

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.05.09 07:12:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • good luck Brad, dont expect any favours when facing the Boks :grin:

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.05.09 08:27:02 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 49) : Really?Ok then, was wondering why we had a cool team one year then a complete ball of [email protected] the next.

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.05.09 08:59:41 by Claytie Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 51) :

    I remember Eddie Andrews was part of the ‘cool’ team. :roll:

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.05.09 09:06:44 by wpw Reply
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  • Don’t do it Brad…tell the Poms to get lost and that your aim is to make the Bok side! :wink: :lol:

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.05.09 13:36:49 by Villie Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 51) :

    Sorry it was SARU on their own, not the IRB.

    From this article.

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2008/08/30/saru-ponders-rwc-bids-and-exclude-boks-from-emerging-side/

    SARU also confirmed that they would bid to host either the 2011 or 2012 IRB Junior World Championships in Durban, and that no current of former Springboks being eligible to play for the Emerging Springboks.

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.05.09 13:56:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • remember brad can turn down the offer to play. he isn’t forced to play, so he is obviously keen on playing for england. if i was him i would talk to martin johnson before playing. last thing you need is not getting the nod after you have played the game ending your bok chances.

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.05.09 14:27:15 by try time (history forgets losers) Reply

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  • @try time (history forgets losers) (Comment 55) :

    The England setup is pretty professional and they would have had discussions with the National coaches as to who they see as future players.

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.05.09 15:55:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @try time (history forgets losers) (Comment 55) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 56) :
    I think those discussions happened long before Brad left the Sharks, hence his haste in getting a release.
    The right option for him though.

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.05.09 16:20:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • i just read the SW rules or laws :lol: its actually quite funny: ‘Dont post drunk’ :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.05.09 16:27:53 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 58) : i try to be entertaining in all that I do :-)

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.05.09 19:28:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 58) : dumbass, if you read the rules you have to obey them. :lol:

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.05.09 20:41:58 by try time (history forgets losers) Reply

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  • @try time (history forgets losers) (Comment 60) : i take it you’ve not read them, then :-)

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.05.09 20:47:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • Try Time
    Dude, i see you trying to take over my mantle as the ‘Chief Stirrer’ on this site.
    Watch it papa!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.05.09 20:50:37 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 62) : whose poephol’s wet? :-)

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.05.09 21:01:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • Watte Gif Gert?? :twisted:

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.05.09 21:13:50 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) :
    @wpw (Comment 64) :
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Brad was too slow for top-class rugby anyway.

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.05.09 21:26:47 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 65) : :neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :roll:

  • Comment 66, posted at 21.05.09 07:46:11 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 61) : what rules? :roll: i am surprised it took you this long to realise. :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.05.09 08:52:31 by try time (history forgets losers) Reply

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