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Jake White to enter Lions’ den


Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :In the news, Lions on 27 May 2009 at 07:17
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The Golden Lions Rugby Union directors have decided to appoint Jake White’s Winning Way company to audit its structures, following discussions about the state of the union.

Rugby365 reports:

The GLRU said in a statement on Tuesday that it asked White’s company to do a full assessment and audit of the structures of the union at all levels.

After the audit, White’s company will make recommendations as to the way forward for rugby in Johannesburg.

The audit may have a bearing on the future of head coach Eugene Eloff, who has been linked with a move to Perth to take up a role as assistant coach at the Western Force.

Eloff, who is contracted with the Lions until the end of the Currie Cup, has admitted that an offer from the Australian franchise is on the table, but he has since indicated that he wants to stay with the Lions after they showed great promise in the latter part of this year’s Super 14.



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  • Oh are they auditing ALL the structures? :cool:

    For a minute there I thought they had fired Eloff.

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.05.09 07:26:41 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • I hope they take a trip to the Tank aswell to get rid of the rotten tomato there.

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.05.09 07:37:26 by JarsonX Reply
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  • I don’t actually think the problem at the Lions is within their structures.

    I think it is the financial inability to get players that is the problem.

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.05.09 07:46:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 2) : Which rotten tomato? :shock:

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.05.09 07:55:28 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 3) : Spot on , with all due respect you are the best player in SA in your position and have a choice between JHB and Durban, hello where are you going to go? That’s why I find it so difficult to understand what is wrong with Stormers/WP rugby? I have lost contact with what happens there and I have heard there is a lot of political bulshit in the management structures, but when I was at Stellenbosch it was the best place in the world to play rugby, granted that was before the advent of pro rugby, but they had such a good structure in place, what happened there?
    WRT the Lions, they need to develop a good youth policy and try where possible to hold on to all their talent and there is plenty, three years ago their Craven week side backed largely by Monnas, won the tournament such as it is, ie won the final game which is normally played between the best two sides. I BELIEVE Jake is the right person to do this as he was brought up in JHB , understands what goes on there and maybe he will come up with some good ideas, at least they have finally acknowledged there is a problem, but will they sort it out if they are told something they don’t like I doubt it, but I live in hope. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.05.09 08:11:28 by Whindy Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) :

    They did, last night at 9…

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.05.09 12:28:54 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 6) : :shock:

    is that official?

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.05.09 12:30:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 4) : this is what the audit will show :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.05.09 12:33:49 by rekinek Reply
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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 6) : :roll: :roll:

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.05.09 12:34:31 by rekinek Reply
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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 6) :

    Oghhh?? :shock:

    @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 4) : @rekinek (Comment 9) :

    Hello Sista’s… :wink:

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.05.09 12:45:48 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 10) :

    What am I???????? Chopped liver?

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.05.09 12:50:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 10) : :wink:

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.05.09 12:50:16 by rekinek Reply
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  • just thinking – this promise that lions apparently shown – anybody can explain :?: :???:

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.05.09 12:59:14 by rekinek Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 11) :

    Last time I checked you were one of the brudda’s, not a Stormer!! :wink:

    hello King! :grin:

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.05.09 12:59:38 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 14) :

    Hey howzit. :lol:

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.05.09 13:02:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 15) :

    You talk Cricket now?? :lol:

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.05.09 13:09:39 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 16) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.05.09 13:16:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) :

    Yes, Hans Coetzee is the new caretaker coach with Wimpie Vermeulen and Ian Macdonald

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.05.09 13:31:51 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 18) :

    I thought they’d go with Chester!!! :???:

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.05.09 13:37:05 by wpw Reply
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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 18) :

    Thanks.

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.05.09 13:37:08 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 19) : You keep chester, thank-you. I am still hoping for a Kiwi coach get Lawrie back he understood the Transvaal mentality, sorry Cats metality, HE EVEN HELPED RASSIE THROUGH HIS SNOWY PERIOD.

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.05.09 14:02:27 by Whindy Reply
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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 18) : Tell us more about Hans Coetzee ? Never heard of him

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.05.09 14:05:57 by Whindy Reply
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  • Loffie got the boot?
    Wed, 27 May 2009 14:10

    Eugene Eloff may be ‘axed’ as Lions coach sooner than expected. This follows confirmation that senior Lions players had “urgent” discussion about the matter on Wednesday.

    The news of Eloff’s impending departure follows a media release on Tuesday that World Cup-winning Springbok coach Jake White’s company, Winning Way, will do “a full assessment and audit on the structures of the [Golden Lions Rugby] Union”.

    However, rugby365.com can reveal that White has been earmarked to take over Eloff’s position as head coach … maybe even before the start of the Currie Cup competition in July, possibly even being in charge next week against the British and Irish Lions.

    Senior players, concerned about developments, had already held urgent discussion on Wednesday.

    GLRU CEO Manie Reynecke and Lions team manager Mac Hendricks were both in “important meetings” on Wednesday and “unavailable” for comment.

    However, rugby365 have reliably heard that White’s role at the Lions will go beyond just an “audit” and that a fulltime coaching role may well be on the cards.

    Eloff’s contract with the Lions run until the completion of the Currie Cup season, at the end of October.

    However, he has already gone public with the news that he has a number of overseas offers on his desk – including one from the Western Force in Perth.

    Eloff, despite reaching the Currie Cup play-offs every year since taking over as head coach from Frans Ludeke three years ago, has never finished higher than 12th – their position this year – in the Super 14.

    On Tuesday the GLRU sent out a media release stating that following the Super 14, the Union’s directors and executive committee have had “in depth discussions” as to the state of the GLRU.

    “Planning the way forward, the GLRU have decided to appoint the company Jake White’s Winning Way to do a full assessment and audit on the structures of the union, from senior down to junior level,” the statement said.

    “There is a great deal of expertise in Jake’s company, and due to this, the GLRU feel an audit will be extremely beneficial. With the likes of Eddie Jones [winner of the Super 14 with the Brumbies], Jake White and Derek Coetzee [a World Cup winning conditioning coach], and many more, the GLRU feel confident that we will see dramatic benefits for rugby in Johannesburg.

    “After the audit, White’s company will make recommendations on how they see the way

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.05.09 14:38:41 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 23) : i always felt bit sorry for Loffie thinkung that the players are disappointing him but maybe he is not so good after all.
    though ludeke did not do much better and yet doing great with the bulls.

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.05.09 14:46:19 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 24) : Agreed, however I think it has more to do with the management and support structures, the Bulls were quick to get good assistant coaches in flace with Ludeke, and he is not a bad coach , just as Loffie is not but I think the actual structures are what needs to be changed and Jake would be able to do this . I am not sure Loffie was in that position having not delivered on his promises!!

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.05.09 14:52:36 by Whindy Reply
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  • flace- place :oops:

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.05.09 14:55:22 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 25) : you reckon. jake did well in 2007 but since then he doesn’t seem to be able to find a spot.

    On one B& A he also said he was not looking at coaching job at all.

    Other thing – I thought that Lions are a reasonably wealthy union so why not getting some quality players/ coaches.

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.05.09 15:00:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 27) :

    Rekinek – being GAUTENG, one would think so – but I am afraid as far as I know the opposite is true..

    Seems unlike other “jobs” where the ‘money’ is in JHB – its not th case with Gauteng rugby…or was this caused by bad administration perhaps?? (not now – but long years ago?

    Also I think that in today’s day and age, Ellispark is off boundaries for a lotof people – and I think they loose alot of money on revenue from tickets too. They should move the stadium to Roodepoort – was that not in the suggestion box some time ago??

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.05.09 15:06:35 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 27) : Precisely, but nobody with any ambition is going to come to the lions with a two bit coach and the amount of Journeyman the Lions carry, if you want to forward your career , you want to know the best structures are in place and that you will have a chance to show off your skills, as for Jake he misses coaching , but to be honest this stinks of a jan de koniong bulshit story and he is probably doing a lot of surmising rather than basing this on fact as he so often does

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.05.09 15:15:17 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 28) : off boundaries – yo mean too close to the CBD :?: i don’t think it is too bad really and parking facilities are quite all right. i actually like Ellis Park.

    though they could refresh those 2 guys at the ticket office.

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.05.09 15:18:11 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 28) : Agree with you, but remember they were paid a lot of cash for renaming Ellispark, so no shortage of money, but maybe a shortage of management , just like at the Stormers, bunch of polukers. I agree also about Ellispark, but let me tell you JHB has the most fickle supporters, when Province had those glory years you saw millions of WP flags, now they all support the sharks, if the Lions started winning you would be amazed how many fans would crawl out of the wood work, just the nature of the type of people you have in JHB. I still have a home and family there, just work in the UAE, so I am able to criticize my own. :lol:

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.05.09 15:22:38 by Whindy Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 30) :

    though they could refresh those 2 guys at the ticket office. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    Yes – thats what I mean…I have not been to EP for a few good years – but I dont think the parking etc was always that good and people are paranoid as well. I really do think it has an effect on things

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.05.09 15:24:54 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 28) : Agree with you, but remember they were paid a lot of cash for renaming Ellispark, so no shortage of money, but maybe a shortage of management , just like at the Stormers, bunch of polukers. I agree also about Ellispark, but let me tell you JHB has the most fickle supporters, when Province had those glory years you saw millions of WP flags, now they all support the sharks, if the Lions started winning you would be amazed how many fans would crawl out of the wood work, just the nature of the type of people you have in JHB. I still have a home and family there, just work in the UAE, so I am able to criticize my own.

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.05.09 15:25:46 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 31) :

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.05.09 15:27:30 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • oops :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :oops:

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.05.09 15:28:37 by Whindy Reply
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  • Statement by the Golden Lions Rugby Union

    Johannesburg, 27 May 2009…. Because of the Auto & General Super 14
    Lions’ performance in the 2009 Vodacom Super 14, the Golden Lions Rugby
    Union felt that it was vital to have a complete audit on the whole
    system and structures within the Union, and therefore invited Jake
    White’s Winning Ways (Pty) Ltd to do this audit.

    It immediately became apparent that in order for the GLRU to move
    forward, they would have to make immediate changes to allow for a proper
    build up for the British & Irish Lions vs. Xerox game and the 2009 Absa
    Currie Cup.

    For these reasons a meeting was held this morning with Mr. Eugene Eloff,
    and he was asked to stand down as the Senior Team Head Coach with
    immediate effect. Mr. Eloff will be re-deployed within the structures of
    the GLRU.

    In the interim, Mr Hans Coetzee will take over the reins of Head Coach.

    Mr Coetzee is a vastly experienced Coach who has been in rugby coaching
    for more than 20 years, during which time he coached, amongst others,
    the Monument High 1st team for 18 years, the Lions’ Craven week team for
    8 years as well as SA Academy and SA Schools teams.

    The GLRU is confident that by initiating these corrective measures now
    and in conjunction with the ongoing audit being conducted by Jake
    White’s company, that we will in due course again become a competitive
    force in all rugby competitions.

    GLRU Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Manie Reyneke also had meeting with
    players this morning, whereby the current positions were explained to
    them.

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.05.09 15:36:08 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 36) : Thanks Walter, well if he was involved with that Monnas and craven week side , I am happy? Home grown is not a bad thing at all, players will also show more loyalty to him, plus he knows them, good stuff!!

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.05.09 15:40:11 by Whindy Reply
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  • he will just be the caretaker coach

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.05.09 15:46:03 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 36) : good luck then.

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.05.09 15:47:35 by rekinek Reply
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  • Anton van Zyl signed for WP

    PROPS RASSIE WHERES THE PROPS

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.05.09 16:42:32 by Claytie Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 40) : maybe just maybe – he is covert cats’ partisan. :mrgreen:

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  • @Claytie (Comment 40) : ah yes… wanted to write an article.

    You know that Mox Mxoli (inter alia) is kicking around Pretoria pulling his hair out at the lack of gametime he’s gettin with the Bulls… Good little prop, that guy.

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.05.09 18:12:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • The least they could have done was allow him to coach till the Lions game..its a once in a lifetime opportunity.

    And Jake will not take over as coach thats for sure.

  • Comment 43, posted at 28.05.09 05:05:47 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • iN an interview with John Robbie on 702 this morning Loffie revealed that
    - He had been assured by management that his job was safe for the time being, this took place on Monday in front of the players,
    - he gave Jake White a lift on Monday afternoon, Jake told him that he had no structures to work with and he would ensure that management would provide him (Loffie) with those structures
    - he was called in yesterday and “redployed” despite what management or White had told him
    - he tried to remain as coach until at least after the Lions game but to no avail.

    John Robbie mentioned that there is talk of the players striking, Loffie did not confirm or deny this.

  • Comment 44, posted at 28.05.09 08:33:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Who was it that always got my goat when they refered to “Jake the Snake”?

  • Comment 45, posted at 28.05.09 08:35:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 44) : heard that as well. the guy seems heart broken about this lions game. but not afraid to speak.

  • Comment 46, posted at 28.05.09 08:49:59 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 45) : jake’s name recently does not bring positive associations. eish.

  • Comment 47, posted at 28.05.09 08:50:54 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 46) :
    He was very emotional when they spoke about the Lions, I think the chips are now down and he is getting rid of lots of anger, maybe not the best place to do it – over the radio.

  • Comment 48, posted at 28.05.09 09:03:28 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 48) : 11 years – long time he’s been with them.
    but never a good idea to burn the bridges so to speak. anyhow I always liked the guy so will not bet too harsh on him.

  • Comment 49, posted at 28.05.09 09:10:15 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 49) : I also like him a lot

  • Comment 50, posted at 28.05.09 09:13:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 49) :
    I also enjoyed the rugby the Lions played this year, maybe not always winning but entertaining.

  • Comment 51, posted at 28.05.09 09:17:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I see the end of the Golden Lions in my Crystal ball….with so many leaving for greener pastures, Loffie being sacked…somehow I have the idea that Cheeky the Clown’s Kings are gonna become one of the next BIg 5….

    Sorry – but this is alldoom and gloom for me…to resurrect the Lions after this is gonna take major effort and outstanidng management and lots of money..

  • Comment 52, posted at 28.05.09 09:21:03 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 52) : and all as I was getting to know all the parking spots, where to get beer and all the necessities :mrgreen:

  • Comment 53, posted at 28.05.09 09:42:58 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 40) : +1

  • Comment 54, posted at 28.05.09 10:30:58 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • The Lions haven’t been producing for some time now, a cleanout is needed, management, staff and players.

    Management: They didn’t put the support structures in place
    Staff: Loffie hasn’t gotten results (the support structures are not entirely to blame for the results) and he is letting his friendship with the players get in the way of making difficult decisions about who plays
    Players: This is the professional era, you need to play for your position not expect it.

  • Comment 55, posted at 28.05.09 10:54:51 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 55) : true. job like any other.

  • Comment 56, posted at 28.05.09 11:18:56 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 56) :

    Damn straight, the players need learn that still

  • Comment 57, posted at 28.05.09 12:06:52 by Ollie Reply

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  • I liked what Loffie achieved in his first year with us, but after the second when we ended last in the Super 14 (2008) was when I think he should have parted ways with the Lions.

  • Comment 58, posted at 28.05.09 21:37:03 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 58) : kiwies commentators (during S14 games) were saying that lions need another 2 – 3 years.

    on the other hand loffie was saying that he was tired of building.

    wasn’t heynecke about 5 – 6 years with bulls before they won S14?

  • Comment 59, posted at 28.05.09 21:48:08 by rekinek Reply
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