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PdV pulls Rose out of Xerox Lions squad

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :2009 Lions Tour, In the news, Lions on 3 Jun 2009 at 05:10
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Springbok coach Peter de Villiers has pulled utility back Earl Rose out of the Golden Lions team to face the touring British and Irish Lions in Johannesburg on Wednesday, following a disagreement with the Lions team management.

Bok Media Manager Anthony Mackaiser confirmed that Rose will no longer be involved in Wednesday’s game.

The Lions had originally named Rose on the bench, with Louis Ludik down to start in the No.15 jersey and veteran Bok André Pretorius at flyhalf.

Rose failed to turn up for training with the Lions on Tuesday, after being named in both the Springbok and Emerging Bok squads to face the B&I Lions later this month.

Mackaiser confirmed that De Villiers, who feels strongly about Rose’s international credentials, wanted him to start against the B&I Lions on Wednesday.

However, the Golden Lions management refused to heed to the Bok coach’s demands and Rose was pulled out of Wednesday’s game.

Shandré Frolick has been named to sit on the Golden Lions’ bench in place of Rose.

This is not the first time that Rose and De Villiers had been involved in a squabble with the Lions team management.

During the Super 14 season, following a particular poor performance by the Lions, forwards coach Leon Boshoff gave the players a dressing down.

Rose took exception to Boshoff’s abrasive manner and accused him of making racists remarks. Rose’s objections to Boshoff’s outburst found its way, via Rose’s father Anver, to the Bok coach, De Villiers.

Boshoff was called before a disciplinary hearing, but cleared on the charge of making racist remarks.

He was then found guilty on a much lesser charge of using inappropriate language.

However, it is clear from the latest incident that De Villiers and Rose have a very close bond and will certainly raise eyebrows.

On Monday, after being questioned about the selection of the out-of-form Rose in the Bok team to face the B&I Lions, De Villiers likened the uncapped back Earl Rose to golf legend Tiger Woods.

De Villiers, in defending some of his selections – such as Ruan Pienaar’s inclusion despite a lengthy lay-off and Rose – produced a real pearler.

“Ruan [Pienaar] is the Tiger Woods of rugby and I believe Earl Rose is in the same class,” he said

Golden Lions – revised: 15 Louis Ludik, 14 Michael Killian, 13 Jannie Boshoff, 12 Doppies la Grange, 11 Dusty Noble, 10 André Pretorius, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Willem Alberts, 7 Franco van der Merwe, 6 Cobus Grobbelaar (captain), 5 Willem Stoltz, 4 Brad Mockford, 3 Gert Muller, 2 Willie Wepener, 1 Lawrence Sephaka.
Replacements: 16 Ethienne Reynecke, 17 JC Janse van Rensburg, 18 Ernst Joubert, 19 Todd Clever, 20 Chris Jonck, 21 Walter Venter, 22 Shandré Frolick.

Courtesy of Rugby 365


  • This guy is a joke, first he makes a complete ass of himself by comparing Rose with a living legend, Tiger woods, now he is even demanding he be put into teams. I hope he selects him for the Boks and gets shown up for the fool he is, The purpose of the Springbok coach is to select the best possible team available not your Chommies son!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.06.09 06:25:48 by Whindy Reply
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  • This whole Rose issue is going to be a much bigger problem than it is worth. :sad:

    I still support PdV as the bok coach, PROVIDED Earl doesn’t play. :wink:

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.06.09 06:57:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : Only on condition that someone whispers in his ear that he should just answer the question not give it any of his pearls of wisdom :grin: . Rose could end up exposing him big time because everybody can see what it is :twisted:

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.06.09 07:13:25 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 3) :

    Maybe we should assign a number to Rose.

    How about #47? :razz:

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.06.09 07:24:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Oh come on guys!!! :evil:

    I for one will rub it in big time if Rose does well and contributes to a series win against the Lions. :lol:

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.06.09 07:38:13 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 5) :

    Where is he going to play?

    He isn’t going to start for the Boks surely?

    I see no sense in pulling him from this match. Surely giving him a chance to shut his detractors up even if it is only for 15 or 20min at the end will give PdV more ammunition rather than giving his detractors more ammunition. :sad:

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.06.09 07:43:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 6) :

    I am pretty sure PDV would have told Loffie that Earl is in his plans and he would like to see him play (during the S14) but nope, he was dropped for Ludik.

    Look, I agree that Earl was not his best this year but whenever he came off the bench he produced some kind of magic and set up quite a few tries.

    Is the national cause not first priority???

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.06.09 07:48:24 by wpw Reply
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  • I think everyone will be a lot happier if Rose just goes back to WP where he belongs. He can fit in with the other hobbits.

    Let’s face it, though… the LIONS hardly have a great track record on player relations, do they?

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.06.09 08:03:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • BTW, you guys realise that we have yet to se Rose play under de Villiers? We have no idea how much the enigmatic coach can get out of this player… we need to give him that chance before getting the knives out

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.06.09 08:05:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ive been wondering for a while what it is that the Rose family has over PdeV, there must be something because his personal involvment in Rose is to say the least way overboard.

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.06.09 08:27:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) :
    Rose is absolute shyte at fullback, where he has had an impact has been from flyhalf and has been involved with some great tries from loose play. Rob is right when he says that he should return to WP rugby because then he will be able to play his style of rugby to his hearts content ala Gio Aplon, Zahier Ryland, Brent Russel and many more.

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.06.09 08:34:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 10) :

    Earl played for him while he was SA U19 and U21 coach.

    Have you ever thought he might actually rate the guy??? :roll:

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.06.09 08:35:23 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 11) :

    None of those players are on our books at the moment bru!!!

    You hatred for anything WP is pretty sad!!

    P.S. Russell spent much more time at the Sharks than he did at WP. :lol:

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.06.09 08:37:18 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 10) :

    I don’t think that is the case.

    Simply a case (IMO) of PdV taking a little longer to realise Rose didn’t grow as much as the other players did when they went from U/19 to Senior.

    Rose was good at that level but he just didn’t get any bigger and at that level you can get away with being smaller but not at senior level.

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.06.09 08:46:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : He doesn’t actually have to play. As long as he’s a contract and the money is rolling in….

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.06.09 08:52:12 by Rahul Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 12) :
    He probably does, but why.
    Personally do you rate him good enough for the Boks and in what position.

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.06.09 08:56:01 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 13) :
    My hatred for WP, :shock: :twisted: :?:
    Whether those guys are on the books or not is not the point, those are the type of player that WP and their fans get excited about, that and next to them, a lumbering imported giant to balance things out. Yes those guys play exciting rugby when things are loose and open but are ultimately not suited to long hard season. If they were I think Japan would be quite a force in world rugby.

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.06.09 09:02:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I am a huge detractor of Rose, I think, 1) he is too small 2) he is not capable of making a decison, he plays with a “whatever happens” attitude and stuff the consequinces.and 3) he is not a team Player.
    This guy has talent I do not doubt that. but just like Hershell Gibbs he is just not able to use his kop. He will do the most rash things like taking a quick throw in when the whole opposition is boring down on you.@wpw (Comment 13) : and I am no province hater, but please do not tell me this guy deserves a spot in the Bok side??

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.06.09 09:03:41 by Whindy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : If Div can get Rose to be world class then Div would be my #1 coach of all time. As long as he doesnt do it at the expense of a series win though.

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.06.09 09:08:09 by billy Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 14) :
    “I don’t think that is the case.”
    The fact that his father personally phones the Bok coach with his little boys aches and pains tells me something else, but thats only my interpretation, at the least its a very unhealthy situation.

    and the rest of your post points me in the direction of why I think WP rugby is strong up to a certain level but starts falling away at the top end of the game.

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.06.09 09:10:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 16) :

    I don’t think he should be in the match 22 but I do rate him as a game breaker.

    Maybe PDV can bring out the best in him.

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.06.09 09:18:40 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) :

    I would happily go along with, “they are friends and PdV is giving the guy more of a shot than he deserves” but not with the they are holding something over PdV angle.

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.06.09 09:19:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • pdv didn’t want the lions to see how easy he is to play against. he also didn’t want the world to see what a shit bok selection he made. rather hide it on the bench, no-one will remember if they beat the lions.

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.06.09 09:22:51 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) :

    Dude, PDV and Earl’s dad played rugby together (before unity) :wink:

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.06.09 09:28:33 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) :

    Schalk Burger senior and Jake White are friends!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.06.09 09:29:26 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 22) :
    Yes, that may have been a bit rough and probably echoed my frustration at the selection. So I will say they are good friends then.

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.06.09 09:32:07 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I always rated Earl’s skills – he can be sublime.

    However, he can also be really kak, and to my mind, he is too small and timid.

    That said, there is no worse place for a rough, confidence player to learn his craft than the Lions.

    Earl would do a lot better at the Cheetahs of all places, as they have no playmaker at 10.

    Rassie might well stuff Earl around anyway – look what he has done to Grant, etc.

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.06.09 09:37:25 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 25) :
    Maybe he is also friends with PdeV, some would say that is how he got selected after this S14 of his. :wink:

    Regardless, its not healthy having parents phoning coaches on their kids behalf.

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.06.09 09:43:35 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Earl Rose should be burning up the sevens circuit.

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.06.09 09:46:59 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 27) : Bingo! small AND TIMID. This is the problem, size or lack thereof in and of itself is not necessary a limiting factor. Add the timidity, or Earl’s tendency to shy away from contact, that is the problem. His skill set is excellent, and can be sublime, but he has no concept of controlling a game. His sense of timing is not there in that he does not know when it is OK to take the big risk and when not to. His mistakes always seem to be very costly to his team, this tells me he doesn’t know when to get fancy and when to just shut it down.

    Personally I hate the constant talk of size or lack thereof in rugby, specifically amongst South Africans. Attitude is so important, a little guy with a hell bent attitude, never shying away from the tough stuff, can be successful. If size were so important, someone like Jonah Lomu would never get tackled. Remember James Small was never beaten by Lomu, why? Lomu was just as fast, just as quick and much much bigger and stronger, so why could he not beat Small? Because Small had attitude, so even though he was smaller than Lumu, he was NEVER TIMID.

    That being said, perhaps PdV can get something more out of Rose, perhaps he can teach him control, and perhaps having the Bok jersey on will somehow make him brave. I hope.

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.06.09 15:49:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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