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Lions Tour ‘09 – Sharks (3) v B&I Lions (39) F/T


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :2009 Lions Tour, Sharks on 10 Jun 2009 at 16:45
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Here we go – the one we’ve all been waiting for!

The Lions have picked a strong side – some say it may even be their shadow test team. Certainly in the centres, the pairing of Welshman Jamie Roberts and the BoD will look to recapture the devastating form that led to a total annihilation of the Golden Lions a week ago.

The Sharks are severely weakened, but have nevertheless managed to name a side that boasts a formiddable tight 5, handy loose trio and a backline with a few experienced heads. Will they be able to pull off a suprise upset?

Teams:

The Sharks: 15 Stefan Terblanche, 14 Chris Jordaan, 13 Andries Strauss, 12 Riaan Swanepoel, 11 Luzuko Vulindlu, 10 Monty Dumond, 9 Rory Kockott, 8 Keegan Daniel, 7 Jean Deysel, 6 Jacques Botes, 5 Johann Muller (captain), 4 Steven Sykes, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Skipper Badenhorst, 1 Deon Carstens.
Replacements: 16 Craig Burden, 17 Patric Cilliers, 18 Albert van den Berg, 19 Michael Rhodes, 20 Charl McLeod, 21 Guy Cronjé, 22 Lwazi Mvovo.

British & Irish Lions: 15 Lee Byrne, 14 Shane Williams, 13 Brian O’Driscoll, 12 Jamie Roberts, 11 Luke Fitzgerald , 10 Ronan O’Gara, 9 Mike Phillips, 8 Jamie Heaslip, 7 David Wallace, 6 Tom Croft, 5 Paul O’Connell (captain), 4 Alun-Wyn Jones, 3 Adam Jones, 2 Lee Mears, 1 Gethin Jenkins.
Replacements: 16 Matthew Rees, 17 Phil Vickery, 18 Simon Shaw, 19 Joe Worsley, 20 Mike Blair, 21 Riki Flutey, 22 James Hook.

Date: Wednesday, June 10
Venue: Absa Stadium, Durban
Kick-off: 19.10 (17.10 GMT)
Expected weather: Mostly clear skies and mild. High 24°C, low 15°C. Wind 35km/h
Referee: Jonathan Kaplan (South Africa)
Assistant referee: Wayne Barnes (England), Jaco Peyper (South Africa)
TMO: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)



125 Comments

  • not long now

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.06.09 18:35:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • why am I being forced to watch Riki Flutey doing bad karaoke on a Durban beach?

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.06.09 18:53:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • the bols are all there

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.06.09 18:59:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • i mean boks! :-)

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.06.09 19:03:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • great. stuart barnes

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.06.09 19:04:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • Just seen my Dad on the telly.

    ReADY FOR THE GAME NOW….GO SHARKS!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.06.09 19:06:03 by Villie Reply
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  • Chris Jordaan has to tackle like he’s never done before tonight! :cool:

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.06.09 19:07:49 by Villie Reply
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  • sharks wearing currie cup jerseys

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.06.09 19:09:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 6) : nice!

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.06.09 19:09:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • stef to kick off

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.06.09 19:11:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • lions have a kickable penalty now

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.06.09 19:13:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • 2 stupid penalties given away in the first few minutes!

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.06.09 19:13:52 by Villie Reply
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  • and they go for touch!

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.06.09 19:14:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • jannie has grown a nice beard

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.06.09 19:17:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • GREAT defence Sharks!

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.06.09 19:19:06 by Villie Reply
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  • sharks forwards are huge so far

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.06.09 19:19:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • TAKE Skipper off now please. He cannot throw…we can’t afford that

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.06.09 19:20:16 by Villie Reply
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  • skipper is trying hard to lose this on his own

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.06.09 19:20:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : It drives me mad that he can’t throw. How long has he had to learn. It’s a VITAL aspect of a hookers game.

    He is okay in the loose..but you just can’t afford a hooker who can’t throw!

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.06.09 19:25:24 by Villie Reply
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  • swannie is hurt

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.06.09 19:26:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 19) : agree

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.06.09 19:27:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • Swannie gonna have to go off!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.06.09 19:29:15 by Villie Reply
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  • swannie off

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.06.09 19:29:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • WHAT a steal by Deysel!!

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.06.09 19:29:42 by Villie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : Maybe Zuks to 13?

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.06.09 19:30:01 by Villie Reply
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  • WHATa tackle by Mvovo!! :razz: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.06.09 19:31:10 by Villie Reply
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  • mvomvo has some gas oh yes!

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.06.09 19:31:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 26) : I dig his hairstyle too. He could be a cult favourite!! :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.06.09 19:31:42 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 25) : correct. A better backline now

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.06.09 19:32:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • 74 per cent possession and no points!

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.06.09 19:33:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : Better balance. Looks like it’s just us 2 here tonight

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.06.09 19:33:58 by Villie Reply
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  • Mears scores

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.06.09 19:34:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • 0-7

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.06.09 19:36:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • daniel is accomplishing nothing

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.06.09 19:36:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • skipper off

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.06.09 19:38:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • sharks now have a shot

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.06.09 19:40:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • 3-7

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.06.09 19:43:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • we’ve made 48 tackles to their 13

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.06.09 19:46:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • i think Chris Jordaan is scared

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.06.09 19:48:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • Skipper AGAIN!! :evil: :sad:

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.06.09 19:49:22 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 40) : He is costing us BIG time

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.06.09 19:49:54 by Villie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : howzit, i think our guyz are going to implode in the 2nd half because of them tackling the whole time

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.06.09 19:50:04 by JarsonX Reply
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  • lions aren’t loving the ref

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.06.09 19:52:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • that’s half time

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.06.09 19:54:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 42) : yeah, I’m afraid you’re right. It’s valiant, but we’re getting no ball whatsoever and you can’t defend like that for 80 minutes. We’ve already lost Swannie. They need to get Rhodes on ASAP to get some more bulk into that back row. Last thing we need is for Deysel to get hurt

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.06.09 19:58:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • i just saw KSA on the stand, he has a tuban and an english strip on :razz:

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.06.09 19:59:00 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 46) : :)

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.06.09 20:00:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : and thats why they shouldve fielded the youngsters

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.06.09 20:00:55 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Sounds close and or you guys are being over critical? :lol:

    Or is it as bad as you making it out to be

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.06.09 20:01:37 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • stefan is looking old and tired. Time for some fresh blood

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.06.09 20:02:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 49) : lions have had about 80 per cent possession but can’t break down the Sharks defence

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.06.09 20:04:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 49) : No…we are not being over critical. Our defence has been excellent. Deysel brilliant. It’s only Skipper we are not happy with.

    We have had NO ball whatsoever!

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.06.09 20:05:27 by Villie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : i heard wp is looking for a fullback now that jantjies is injured :mrgreen:

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.06.09 20:06:27 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Jordaan didn’t tackle again

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.06.09 20:07:14 by Villie Reply
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  • mike philips turns jordaan inside out and scores

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.06.09 20:07:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • 3-12

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.06.09 20:07:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : :shock:

    @robdylan (Comment 51) : Sounds like a rough second half for the lighties.

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.06.09 20:08:14 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • rory lines up another one

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.06.09 20:10:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • missed

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.06.09 20:10:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • and now the Lions finally go for posts

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.06.09 20:13:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • it’s 3-15

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.06.09 20:14:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • another penalty now

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.06.09 20:18:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • 3-18. Sharks backs look terrible

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.06.09 20:21:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • i think the Boks can beat this Lions squad easily

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.06.09 20:22:00 by JarsonX Reply
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  • pat and albert on

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.06.09 20:22:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • how much time remaining?

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.06.09 20:23:52 by JarsonX Reply
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  • monty is an awful flyhalf

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.06.09 20:25:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 66) : 20 mins

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.06.09 20:26:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • try to fitzgerald

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.06.09 20:27:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • 3-25

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.06.09 20:28:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • Really think it has cheapened this tour by not playing the springboks in the opening games and we are going to pay for it

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.06.09 20:29:14 by beez Reply

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  • so who will be getting the twat of the match award, skipper or monty

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.06.09 20:30:50 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @beez (Comment 71) : on the other hand the Lions didnt really have a decent challenge either

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.06.09 20:32:26 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 73) : better than 6 weeks without game time.. nothing improves your game like game time

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.06.09 20:34:35 by beez Reply

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  • @beez (Comment 74) : And the boks wont have played together for 7 months by the first teat

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.06.09 20:35:32 by beez Reply

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  • what a rout

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.06.09 20:35:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • 3-33

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.06.09 20:36:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beez (Comment 74) : u have a point but i think we will do what needs to be done

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.06.09 20:36:50 by JarsonX Reply
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  • where’s rhodes?

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.06.09 20:37:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 78) : Possibly, just think they might give us a hard time in the first test and we will take a couple of games to really start firing

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.06.09 20:38:29 by beez Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) : why are the xerox lions wearing our shark’s strips? :evil: :mad:

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.06.09 20:40:32 by JarsonX Reply
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  • well im not even angry or upset by our loss, this is defnitely not our best side

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.06.09 20:45:13 by JarsonX Reply
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  • man, mcleod is a good scrumhalf

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.06.09 20:47:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 82) : yeah but thats the point, it should have been. that is the point of the lions tour, not just to improve their stats. It should have been a big deal for the team. now it is just a joke. Not sure if this was the decision of our coach but if it was he is an idiot.

  • Comment 84, posted at 10.06.09 20:48:35 by beez Reply

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  • @beez (Comment 84) : and by our coach i mean the idiot who does not know what a “recognised fullback” is

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.06.09 20:50:49 by beez Reply

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  • @beez (Comment 84) : well rugby in SA is becoming a joke and all the big kahunas are idiots

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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) : that is true, ever since he made rory look a bit silly in the cc game against the valke I have rated him

  • Comment 87, posted at 10.06.09 20:51:29 by beez Reply

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  • The Sharks seem like they aren’t interested in playing

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.06.09 20:52:18 by Ollie Reply

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  • Very disappointed

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.06.09 20:52:59 by Ollie Reply

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  • well done Shark selectors, u have yet again only wasted time

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 90) :

    I wouldn’t blame the selectors completely, the players can shoulder quite a bit in the 2nd half

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.06.09 20:57:15 by Ollie Reply

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  • that Sharks team is not going to make the Currie Cup semis…

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.06.09 20:57:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 92) :

    Not playing that that they won’t

  • Comment 93, posted at 10.06.09 20:57:58 by Ollie Reply

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  • the only positives for me where the play of Mvovo, Cronje and Burden. Shit, but Cronje is brave for a little guy.

  • Comment 94, posted at 10.06.09 21:05:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • anyway, if tonight served only two purposes, then I’ll be happy:

    1) to prove that Skipper Badenhorst doesn’t have the basic skills required to play hooker at *any* level
    2) to show that Monty Dumond is not a good enough flyhalf option, even at Currie Cup level.

    If I can be greedy, I’ll take two more:
    3) Keegan Daniel and Jacques Botes CANNOT start in the same loose trio. Case closed.
    4) Stefan Terblanche is passed it. Not only is he playing like shit, he looks completely disinterested as well.

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  • I’ll add a point or two to the above about Skipper and Monty *spit* ….

    1) That Cronje chappy is waaaay to much into the show-off type of rugby (ala Butch in the early years) for my taste. It’s risky and stupid.
    2) Jordaan needs to be left out for a while yet .. he’s just not ready.

    Last point – geez but were the officials a wee bit Lions blinded tonight or something :shock: Surely bad officiating like that has to be spoken about now before the Springboks are at the receiving end of those same shameful decisions? Maybe it’s just me ……

  • Comment 96, posted at 10.06.09 21:37:29 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) :

    Robbo!

    A few comments:

    1. never argued that. Cant believe its taken this long to discover this pertinent fact. SA has so many good hookers that you need to be seriously talented just to be considered “average”.

    2. Cannot believe he’s the fall-back option.

    3. Shut up. That case is not closed and two of my favourite players. There is simply no substitute for pace and my argument would be that to play them together the Sharks need to play a deeper tighter 5 and not try to emulate the Stormers.

    4. Again shut up. Actually fark right off. The boy has played his heart out for the sharks this year and your comment is an insult to his efforts. He was touted as back-up to Kirchner for the Bok spot. The fact that neither got it is neither here nor there in terms of this argument. That said nobody plays exceptionally week in week out and lets remember he is still dealing with the fact that he didnt crack the nod even though there are no specialist fullbacks selected.
    Lets also not forget that this game wasnt lost at fullback and so your criticism takes on even greater skapegoat’esqe proportions.
    The man is even older than you Rob – show some respect and some appreciation.

    Good on the sharks tonight. Missing half a side and playing against an internation side comprised of four nations I thoguht they acquitted themselves well, especially in defence. The fact that the cheetahs played that much better agaisnt the same side is, well, probably just a reflection on commitment and depth… ;-)

  • Comment 97, posted at 11.06.09 02:27:44 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • It was a mistake to keep the Boks out. It would have been good for them to play a in a tough game under these ruck and maul laws.
    It’s going to cost points in the tests.

    The more I see of Kockott, the less I like the guy. Very talented but displays a real a-hole personality on the field. I think PdV is correct in ignoring him for now.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : Geez Rob, you are harsh on Skipper Badenhorst, that lions front row is one of the best in the world!! I did not see that much improvement when Craig Burden came on.
    I also have a problem with McLeod at scrumhalf somebody has got to tell him to clear quicker, he takes two steps before every pass, he is a nice player otherwise. I was very impressed with Guy Cronjé, nice step and not scared to have a go. I am glad you are all starting to agree with me about Steffan, must be difficult to get up when you know you are no longer required at Springbok level and all your mates are there.
    Last night did confirm one thing the future looks rosy for the sharks I was impressed with the youngsters. There was no doubt though, the pace was faster, than what they are used to, they were hurried when they first came on. The defense in the first half was amazing, but it took its toll in the second. I would be happy though, the experience those youngsters got out of that, will be invaluable in the months to come.

  • Comment 99, posted at 11.06.09 07:10:22 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 99) :

    Skipper has been pants for years now. :roll:

    I have no idea why he is still contracted at the Sharks… his latest contract should never have been renewed!!!

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  • GO SKIPPER!!!

    Leave and never come back… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 101, posted at 11.06.09 07:57:43 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 99) : my problem with skipper is his lineout throwing. Always has been

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  • @robdylan (Comment 92) :

    Slow down there Robbo…

    I thought the boys did okay. Nothing like The Shark-Tank Redemption I was going on about before the match…but there were some positives.

    For a depleted team that hasn’t had much practice…they did well to keep the score modest at half time….playing against tough opposition.

    So since when does being waxed by B&I Lions mean you’re not good enough for the CC ? :smile:

  • Comment 103, posted at 11.06.09 08:03:29 by blackshark Reply

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  • It’s official – sharks do not know how to attack. It was so sorry to look at they couldn’t string together a bit.

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  • @blackshark (Comment 103) : did ok? the only thing that was ok was defence but with sustained pressure it always breaks sooner or later.

    PdV must have been redeemed to a degree as Rory and Stef showed exactly why they were not picked to the boks.

    And Monty ain’t flyhalf – would give him a chance as fulback though.

    (in case it isn’t obvious – i am angry :twisted:

  • Comment 105, posted at 11.06.09 08:08:59 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 105) :
    :razz: It was just a festival game…clearly the Lions didn’t get that email…

    I’m just saying – I don’t think that’s a bad Currie Cup team (well minus 2 or 3 players)…

  • Comment 106, posted at 11.06.09 08:14:56 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 106) : O’Driscoll was playing well and the Lions’ backs were in the game. And it can probably be put down to them only starting to gel but they did not look so extremely impressive :roll:

    that’s why i thought sharks could do better.

  • Comment 107, posted at 11.06.09 08:22:01 by rekinek Reply
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  • Definitely a case of one good half of Rugby by the Sharks. :sad: And it was the first half.

    We need a flyhalf in Durban. Pronto!!!!!! We cannot rely on Ruan for the rest of our lives, and everytime he gets injured we are screwed. :cry:

  • Comment 108, posted at 11.06.09 08:31:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 108) :

    Given the Lions insistance to kick for touch I reckon the half time score flattered the Sharks. They were simply not in this game for a fulle 80 minutes.

    I agree with Rob’s pessimism, something is seriously missing in the Sharks camp currently.

  • Comment 109, posted at 11.06.09 08:38:42 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 109) :

    A lot of players are missing from the Sharks camp…not just something… :smile:

  • Comment 110, posted at 11.06.09 08:42:23 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 110) :

    I am more referring to attitude, and this was apparent from the Super 14 already apart perhaps from the Bulls game.

  • Comment 111, posted at 11.06.09 08:44:03 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 108) :

    Monty is average…at best…

    With Frans leaving…we’ll be in deeper water…

    Len Olivier is a closed book…

    And centre? Frans hasn’t left but I’m missing him already.

    Craig is not that much better than Skip. The grace period (because of the switch) is now over – I’m expecting a lot more from him now and he is not improving fast enough for my liking.

    Where’s Skholiwe Ndlovu?

  • Comment 112, posted at 11.06.09 08:47:15 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 109) : attacking coach :?: :idea:

  • Comment 113, posted at 11.06.09 08:47:24 by rekinek Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 112) : Craig must be given more opportunities.

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  • @Morné (Comment 111) :

    Yeah – I think Rob sent the players an email before the game…no wonder they played with little self-belief. I hope the prospect of defending the CC will give them all the motivation they need.

    Back to training for the bunch…July here we come!

  • Comment 115, posted at 11.06.09 08:49:23 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 112) : our problem was too many sub-100kg loose forwards, not too few!

  • Comment 116, posted at 11.06.09 09:25:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 112) : BS, I have to take you on that statement. Burden had a superb game, whereas Skipper was pants. A hooker needs to play regularly with his locks in a game situation to build up an understanding in the lineouts, so let’s just say that both have an excuse for not being on song… comparing the other aspects of their game, Burden was streets ahead of Skipper

  • Comment 117, posted at 11.06.09 09:26:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • my dissection of the game is up

  • Comment 118, posted at 11.06.09 09:37:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 117) : I agree, Skipper was plain rubbish. Burden needs to now be given the starting berth and develop. Skipper has had his opportunities and he hasn’t shown enough to warrant selection.

    I thought the young subs were good, Cronje and McLeod were prominent towards the end, our attack actually looked better, perhaps the game did open up a little.

    Thought the scrums were an absolute joke, Kaplan didn’t get it right there. We were killing them.

    Overall, this was men against boys, a test team made up entirely of Internationals against one with not a lot of international experience, and some without S14 or even CC experience.

  • Comment 119, posted at 11.06.09 09:39:58 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 119) : Every guy in the starting backline has Super rugby experience!

    BTW, McLeod is not a youngster. He’s 28!

  • Comment 120, posted at 11.06.09 10:01:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • Starting, schmarting. Mvovo, Rhodes and Cronje have little experience which is the case with McLeod – didn’t mean age so much as top flight experience – even though I believe he is good, doesn’t have Kockott’s mongrel though.

    It all boils down to men against boys, No?

  • Comment 121, posted at 11.06.09 10:33:21 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 121) : yes, but rather pick promising boys than tired old carthorses who have proved time and again that they’re not up to it.

  • Comment 122, posted at 11.06.09 10:39:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 116) :

    Well, the old SIZE vs ACTIVITY debate again…
    Skho looks like a guy who can lift 5 times his weight…at least from what I’ve seen so far. I haven’t seen enough of your new lovechild Justin as well… but yes I agree that we need more STRENGTH in the loosie department. Strength is proportional to size…but it’s not the same thing.

    @robdylan (Comment 117) :
    You’d have to really suck to not be better than Skip…but I’m still not comfortable with Craig as our first choice CC hooker. He’s just as untrustworthy in the lineout department – I think they’ve all been attending night school with Bismarck. We deserve more than an average dude who just happens to be better than the worst hooker I can think of.

  • Comment 123, posted at 11.06.09 12:53:11 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 123) : BS, come on, work with me… surely you can concede that Skho was unlikely to have made much more of an impact with ball in hand than Keegan did?

  • Comment 124, posted at 11.06.09 13:16:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 124) :

    I was actually thinking more in the ” ball-not-in-hand” department…
    JB and Keegs remain my favourites…but it wouldn’t hurt to try different combos…

  • Comment 125, posted at 11.06.09 13:29:04 by blackshark Reply

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