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Sorting the subs shambles


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :2009 Lions Tour, Original Content, Springboks on 22 Jun 2009 at 19:35
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I see the usual Div-bashers are out in force. Imagine what they’d be like if we actually lost a test-match? Fact is, though, Div goofed pretty badly with his substitution strategy on Saturday. The coach has admitted it, though and let’s hope he won’t make the same mistake at Loftus.

First up, how about some credit to the Boks and their coach, though – that first 50 minutes was pretty impressive, particularly given the lack of match practice leading up to the test. The whole packed worked superbly and the halfbacks were measured and controlled throughout – pinning the Lions back and keeping the scoreboard ticking over, making tries somewhat unnecessary.

The lights went out in no small way the moment Brüssow crossed the chalk, though and you got the feeling the Boks decided at that point that they had the match won. Mental gears were changed and the intensity was suddenly absent. I guess one could argue that some fresh legs were needed, but exactly what the coach hoped to achieve by bringing on Danie Rossouw for Brüssow is anyone’s guess. Big Danie is no speed merchant and if added momentum was needed, he should have been brought on for Pierre Spies or Juan Smith, both of whom lacked impact. Rossouw, though, has been most effectively used as a lock replacement at Super 14 level and perhaps he, rather than the less-than-physical Andries Bekker, should have replaced chief enforcer Bakkies Botha. Bringing Bekker on for Botha effectively nobbled the tight five and it’s not surprising that the Lions got right back on top of the physical contest at the stage. Taking off BOTH dominant props for looser players was just the cherry on top for the Lions.

The major issue, to me, was the way that de Villiers took so many of his on-field leaders off all at the same time. John Smit should have gone to hooker and Jacque Fourie should have replaced Adi Jacobs, not Jean de Villiers. Fourie du Preez needed to stay on to guide Morné Steyn through his test debut. Exactly what role Ricky Januarie is meant to play at this stage, I’ll admit I’m not sure.

All is not lost, though and with a few tweaks, I feel we can really put the squeeze on at Loftus. Schalk Burger must come back in to handle Jamie Roberts, while Rossouw must be picked as a lock replacement. Either Brüssow or Kankowski, or perhaps both, should be the loose forward replacement(s), with Januarie possibly missing out in a 5-2 bench.

Picking two prop replacements is fine, but you need to stagger this introduction to always keep the upperhand. More importantly, keep Smit on the field until the match is well and truly won.

Simple!



65 Comments

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  • Comment 1, posted at 22.06.09 20:55:48 by Superwors Reply
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  • Spot on Rob. I give PDV loads of credit for getting his starting selections right. Every one of his “risky” calls came off and the Boks were brilliant for 50 minutes. By the same token, he made some CRAZY substitutions and I couldn”t believe what I was seeing.

    Clearly at 26-7, the Boks thought they had the game won. Why oh why would you take off key players who are clearly in NEED of match practice in the FIRST test of the series? :shock: :roll:

    Can you imagine the psychological damage it would have had on the Lions if the Boks had beaten them by a record margin?

    We have been waiting 12 years for REVENGE and we cannot afford to even give them a sniff. I want a 3-0 series win and to absolutely give them NO mercy! Please PDV, don’t do anymore crazy stuff. Stick to your sensible decisions!!

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.06.09 21:03:33 by Villie Reply
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  • Good article – some much needed balance.

    I for one think that we will really kick on in the next test – this was a perfect beginning: confidence from the first 50 to keep the morale up, and good reminders that we mustn’t loose focus.

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.06.09 21:15:25 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Superwors (Comment 1) : you rock! :-)

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.06.09 22:28:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • I said before the match that the selected team was excellent, except I would have carried Rossouw as the lock replacement instead of Bekker. Then bring Kanko onto thee bench. Pakslae would have been a better replacement for Bakkies, and Kanko could have come on for Spies. The only argument I have with your article Rob is that I would not consider Gurthro a more mobile replacement for the Beast, the Beast is a much more mobile prop. Deon for Smit yes, but not Gurthro for Beast.

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.06.09 03:06:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 2) : Villie what risky calls did he make, that side picks itself, a 13 year old with a bit of Knowledge could pick the starting line up. So I do not see any risk, where the risk came in he failed dismally, and yes he has admitted he stuffed up, how big of him, shit he is the coach that’s his job and I don’t only lay the blame at his door both Gary Gold and Dick Muir should have seen the weakness of putting on the subs they put on. I am not convinced Bekker is a better lock than Johan Muller, he does not have the bulk or the Mongrel to face the Lions. Then say what you like January is “verby” he is lacking confidence and is to bloody fat, he looks like a friggen beach ball in comparison to the lithe brilliant scrumhalf he was two years ago.
    Rob I agree about Big Danie if he needed to come onto inject pace, then it was at lock not on the flank and that would be my change for the team on Saturday, Bekker out and Brussow on the bench, and no Wes its not because he is from the Stormers :mrgreen:

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.06.09 07:03:28 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 5) : You vant replace Spies with Kanko, they are too similar. Rather have replaced Spies with Schalk.

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.06.09 07:16:26 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) :

    So much for answering the question.

    Where is the ‘like’ button?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.06.09 07:46:06 by wpw Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 6) :

    I actually agree with you mate.

    Bekker is a pretty decent lock but he is nowhere near good enough to replace Bakkies as the lock who plays ‘tight’

    Kanko and Danie on the bench makes sense.

    Oh and as for Januarie, he ain’t going nowhere… lol

    I’ll put a thread up shortly!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.06.09 07:51:07 by wpw Reply
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  • didn’t jake white make many a cock up on his way to becoming a rwc winning coach? so far div, in my opinion, has made less mess ups than his counterparts. this is the most settled, scandal free bok team we have had in years. lets enjoy it and hope they only get better.

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.06.09 08:05:26 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 10) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.06.09 08:09:01 by Charlie Reply

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  • rob your article starts with you moaning about people complaining about the subs and not congratulating the team, then you lay into div and join the moaners. its outrageous!

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.06.09 08:10:19 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 11) : hey charlie. i must check if you responded to my adi slamming yesterday. :lol:

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.06.09 08:16:21 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • The irony is that the Lions started with the wrong team but finished with the right one. The Boks started with the right tweam and finished with the wrong one!

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.06.09 08:22:16 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 14) :
    :lol:

    I hear that some of the B&I’s are com-plaining that Beast hasn’t previously been a dominant prop, and that therefore he must have been doing something illegal.

    Obviously dont watch much SH rugby. Beast destroyed the AB scrum last year, and many a S14 one as well.

    He carried a shoulder injury for most of this S14 season – seems he has recovered. Expect him to continue bringing the pain.

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.06.09 08:31:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 12) :
    My observation as well, thanks for verbalising it for me.

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.06.09 08:34:13 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 15) : they also didn’t watch how vickery lifted his bind to try push beast down, and beast said thank you and bored into his exposed ribs.

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.06.09 08:39:30 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • The reality is Div, Muir and Gold f**ked up royally. And almost cost us a test match that was non-negotiable.

    As to suggestting schalla should start, negative – leave Brussouw , Schalla can play off the bench. It pointless subbing ball carries – Danie – when there is no ball. Our possesion over the 80 minutes was 32% if i remember the stats correctly – which is an excellent illustration of just how vaulable Brussouw is and how bad we were in the last 30 minutes.

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.06.09 09:01:56 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • I’d like to retract my statements yesterday regarding my growing respect for Snor. After his utterances yesterday to the press regarding Januarie’s inclusion as a mechanic, he’s back in the corner wearing a duncecap.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.06.09 09:11:13 by klempie Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 15) :
    I hear that some of the B&I’s are com-plaining that Beast hasn’t previously been a dominant prop, and that therefore he must have been doing something illegal.

    Pom whinging. HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.06.09 09:12:37 by klempie Reply

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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 10) : Who are you and what the hell have you done with our beloved TT?? :evil:

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.06.09 09:13:33 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 19) :

    I saw the interview and it wasn’t that bad. :roll:

    But lets rather not discuss it here as it involves politics!! :wink:

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.06.09 09:14:26 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 22) : That’s why I skirted the issue. :smile:

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.06.09 09:18:07 by klempie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 22) : then i would rather have heini adams than januarie, if that is the issue.

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.06.09 09:22:13 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 23) :

    Btw, I put up a thread re: Januarie

    Had to edit the darn thing) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.06.09 09:22:42 by wpw Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 21) : i try to be fair. although i don’t succeed. :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.06.09 09:23:22 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 23) :
    Who are you and what the hell have you done with our beloved Klempie?? :twisted:

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.06.09 09:26:36 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 25) : @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 26) : :razz:

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.06.09 09:27:02 by klempie Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 27) : It is still me. But my wings are clipped. :cry:

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.06.09 09:28:50 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 29) :
    Sort of like a budgie, careful, the next step is to become a praise singer.

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.06.09 09:44:06 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 10) : No Doubt White stuffed up, but he never had the support, that these guys have he fought SARU every step of the way, which makes his success so much more significant. Snor will still feel the pressure, in fact his reaction yesterday, tell me he already is what a ridiculous comparison in this day and age to come up with a back versus white scenario. Should he not be avoiding that, I feel for him because there is no doubt he has to meet the requirements of a more representative side and he does not have that much material to work with without significantly weakening the side, but somebody needs to give this guy a lesson in the art of diplomacy.

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.06.09 09:45:25 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 30) : No Rob couldn’t be THAT cruel could he??

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.06.09 09:50:08 by klempie Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 31) : Well someone’s already given him a lesson in the art of dress sense so there could be hope. :smile:

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.06.09 09:52:53 by klempie Reply

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  • Second time in a few months that Mr. de Villiers ahs felt it necessary to play The Card.

    Seems his other blue-eyed boy is playing tonight… no criticism tomorrow boys…

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.06.09 10:15:36 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 31) : white was never diplomatic. nor is eddie jones etc. they take a lot of crap, they have a right to give it back. but he must perform. we are the best in the world at the moment and there is no reason why we can’t carry that into 2011. with the quality he has at his call he has no excuse for losing this years tn and lions tour. if he does then he deserves to be taken down a peg or two.

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.06.09 10:23:06 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • GUYS, PLEASE CAN WE REFRAIN FROM DISCUSSING POLITICS??

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.06.09 10:44:31 by wpw Reply
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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 35) : Agree, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating and we have lots of pudding to look forward too and stuff ups like the Subs one might be okay against the Lions, but it will be different against the Aussies and the Kiwis, they will pick up on that very quickly. But I will be shouting for them all the way, I just prefer a 20 point cushion at the end :grin:

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.06.09 10:44:34 by Whindy Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 36) :

    Where’s the politics dude?

    I thought we were discussing PdV, his apology and then his abrupt U-turn on that apology?

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.06.09 10:47:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Woweeee , this is all too familiar :roll:

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.06.09 10:54:06 by Claytie Reply
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  • ‘Second time in a few months that Mr. de Villiers ahs felt it necessary to play The Card.’

    :evil:

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.06.09 10:54:16 by wpw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 38) : I agree. Where’s the politics?

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.06.09 10:55:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 40) : Isn’t it Mr Div who is being Political, okay I will stop before you chuck me out :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.06.09 10:58:37 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 37) : agree. we want the lions leaving here with their tails between their legs so they have to wait 12 years to avenge their whipping. if you are 24-7 up make it 40-7.

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.06.09 10:59:59 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) :

    If he’s listen to the 43 million that might confuse him, he’d hear that they all want him to give Heini Adams a go… :roll:

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.06.09 11:00:50 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 40) : so you are saying the line is black and white, and no coloured, sorry grey. :lol:

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.06.09 11:03:25 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • ok guys… you all know where the line is. Let’s all take just half a step away from it and get back to discussing what a KAK rugby player Ricky Januarie is :)

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.06.09 11:06:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 44) : i have already said that, get with it. :lol: i think januarie reminds him of his favourite hooker he visits on the flats. :lol: :lol: ok i’ll give myself an hour ban for that comment.

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.06.09 11:06:15 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • Im gonna keep things simple ..win Sat and we win the series ..Ill try and ignore the usual build-up scribes.

    job done

    Iv watched the game again and Spies was very quiet ..he needs to turn up on sat and look for more work.

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.06.09 11:06:15 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 48) : When the going gets tough Spies dissapear :wink: BTW, nothing new if you know your rugby :roll:

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.06.09 11:09:54 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 49) : @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 48) :

    And yet not ONE article about Spies’ disappearing act on Saturday.

    Certain players are allowed a few average performances and others not!!! :???:

    That is why i will NEVER respect a guy like JJ Harmse.

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.06.09 11:14:04 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) :

    I have done my bit in # 44.. :wink:

    @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 47) :

    you know I ignore what you have to say…so get with it! :lol:

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.06.09 11:20:24 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 50) :

    Its suprising , at one stage he had a chance to run off du Preez on attack and he shy’d away from the chance.
    Knock-on on our tryline after our scrum..thats almost unforgivable..

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.06.09 11:21:44 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 47) : make it 90 minutes, please

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.06.09 11:21:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • wpw (Comment 50) : Wes any chance you played in the backline, the only loose forward that was prominent was Brussow an out and out fetcher, the game was tight Smith and Spies did exactly that, they played it tight, watch the game again and you will see how much work those two got through, it was just not the normal break away try stuff!! That we always expect from Spies!!

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.06.09 11:44:03 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 54) : Now what did the tight 5 do, only scrums ?

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.06.09 12:37:47 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) : ok i took a two hour suspension. i used the div card. it is in between a yellow and a red.

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.06.09 13:17:44 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 56) :

    You really are a weirdo bru!!! :roll:

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.06.09 13:20:48 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 50) : adi has been poor for a while now. it isn’t a once off. it probably has to do with his injury. brad looked the same last year when he carried an injury. but januarie and schalk have been poor for a season. spies has been good this season. so his is a one off, hopefully.

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.06.09 13:21:12 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 57) : thanks dude. :lol:

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.06.09 13:22:49 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • Januarie should open a pie shop franchise :lol:

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.06.09 13:47:46 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 60) : januarie’s pie stop. n’ moerse pie vir n’ moerse gat.

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.06.09 13:55:04 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : Easier said than done, because then we would automatically discuss his weight, form and inclusion in the Bok side, which would take us to last Saturdays game, which would take us to press interviews and we would land up discussing different mechanics again and …. and…..sigh

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.06.09 14:08:08 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 62) : ok whatever

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.06.09 15:01:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 58) : A poor Adi missing only 2 tackles :cool: :mrgreen: :cool:

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.06.09 15:06:19 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 62) :
    and we would land up discussing different mechanics again and …. and…..sigh

    Brilliantly done old chap. hehehehehehe

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