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Lions Tour ’09 – Emerging Springboks v B&I Lions


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :2009 Lions Tour on 23 Jun 2009 at 15:34
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This could be a cracker!

The next-best that the Boks have against the Lions’ dirt trackers. Who will come out on top at Newlands this evening?

Teams:

Emerging Springboks: 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Luzuko Vulindlu, 13 Deon van Rensburg, 12 Morgan Newman, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Earl Rose, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Jean Deysel, 6 Dewald Potgieter (captain), 5 Wilhelm Steenkamp, 4 Steven Sykes, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Bandise Maku, 1 Wian du Preez.
Replacements: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Patric Cilliers, 18 Franco van der Merwe, 19 Jacques Botes, 20 Heini Adams, 21 Willem de Waal, 22 Danwel Demas.

British & Irish Lions: 15 Keith Earls, 14 Shane Williams, 13 Riki Flutey, 12 Gordon D’Arcy, 11 Luke Fitzgerald, 10 Ronan O’Gara (captain), 9 Harry Ellis, 8 Andy Powell, 7 Martyn Williams, 6 Joe Worsley, 5 Nathan Hines, 4 Donncha O’Callaghan, 3 John Hayes, 2 Ross Ford, 1 Tim Payne
Replacements: 16 Lee Mears, 17 Phil Vickery, 18 Simon Shaw, 19 David Wallace, 20 Mike Blair, 21 James Hook, 22 Ugo Monye

Venue: Newlands, Cape Town
Kick-off: 19.10 (17.10 GMT)
Referee: Alain Rolland (Ireland)
Assistant referee: Nigel Owens (Wales), Craig Joubert (South Africa)
TMO: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)



112 Comments

  • GO E-BOKS!

    Awe…

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.06.09 16:42:41 by blackshark Reply
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  • Ah yeh. This is tonight. :cool:

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.06.09 16:45:29 by klempie Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 1) :

    So what’s your opinion on T20 as a format these days? :smile:

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.06.09 16:46:14 by klempie Reply
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  • My opinion is the same…its not my favourite version…but its exciting in its own little way. Now don’t ask me what I think of the Proteas.

    GO ZUKS!

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.06.09 16:53:29 by blackshark Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 4) : The Proteas went out cos T20′s a kak format. That’s my point.

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.06.09 16:58:45 by klempie Reply
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  • The Proteas went out cos they a bunch of chokers!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.06.09 18:38:54 by wpw Reply
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  • Why bother to schedule a game in Cape Town in Winter? :roll: It’s obvious it will rain!

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.06.09 20:09:22 by Villie Reply
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  • What a balls game…

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.06.09 20:27:27 by blackshark Reply

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  • Poor old Zuks…seen the ball once in the whole game!

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.06.09 20:31:09 by Villie Reply
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  • Klempie 5 – Yeah…a crappy format where they won every game except the one they were not supposed to lose.

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.06.09 20:32:18 by blackshark Reply

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  • De villiers kinda changes…

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.06.09 20:33:11 by blackshark Reply

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  • Great ending…great kick De Waal. Final Score 13-13. Well done E-BOKS…

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.06.09 20:56:44 by blackshark Reply

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  • good result

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.06.09 21:03:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • Oh well…

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.06.09 21:06:38 by wpw Reply
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  • bit of a morale killer for the Lions

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.06.09 21:07:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • Did you watch the game Robbo??

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.06.09 21:10:10 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 16) : caught the second half

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.06.09 22:24:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • I reckon Vickory will retire from international rugby when he gets home. I will not even comment on my favourite player of all time(Yes and that includes Jorrie muller, I think its time we said he pulled an Earl) who did nothing spectacular, but was it my imagination or did Supersport try and talk him up

  • Comment 18, posted at 24.06.09 06:18:31 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 18) :

    According to Rugby365, Rose had a decent game. :roll:

  • Comment 19, posted at 24.06.09 07:11:20 by wpw Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 18) : i agree. bobby was watching another game. earl was not as great as bobby made him out to be. he tried too much on his own, and when he passed it was forward. in saying that the players outside him did see a lot of ball, but that could have been vermaak’s distribution. now vermaak is a guy that should be in the bok setup. what a player. rose kicked stupid ball. usually straight into the lionbs hands. his two missed chances were costly as well. the one was a sitter. he lost the game for the eboks. so overall i would give earl a 6/10

  • Comment 20, posted at 24.06.09 07:25:44 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • deysel was superb, as was vermaak, steenkamp, sykes, kruger, basson. de waal was good when he came on and setup the eboks well. div was vindicated by omitting zane from the boks. zane was below average and like earl kicked poorly.

  • Comment 21, posted at 24.06.09 07:31:47 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 20) : You are very kind :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 24.06.09 07:32:35 by Whindy Reply
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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 21) : I think there was so much pressure on Zane to do well that he almost tried to hard, with respect to him and Earl the conditions were appalling

  • Comment 23, posted at 24.06.09 07:34:58 by Whindy Reply
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  • as a shark fan i am not sure i want to see much of vulindlu. he knocks on far too much. his defence is solid, but he can’t catch a ball. maybe he needs to go on a hectic catch program, where things get thrown at him and if he doesn’t catch them, they will hit him and he will get hurt. if he is uninjured after the program then he obviously passed and can play for the sharks. i would like to see a little more of mvovo though.

  • Comment 24, posted at 24.06.09 07:35:46 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 23) : the weather was no excuse for poor kicking. compare their out of hand kicks to willem de waal’s. it was chalk and cheese. if you can’t kick properly then run it. the lions camped in the eboks half because of the earl and zanes poor kicking.

  • Comment 25, posted at 24.06.09 07:38:25 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 22) : i didn’t want div to pull out his deck of cards.

  • Comment 26, posted at 24.06.09 07:41:01 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 26) : :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 27, posted at 24.06.09 07:47:52 by Whindy Reply
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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 24) :

    Bru, were you aware of the fact that is was storming in CT last night??

    Of course the players were going to drop the ball at least a few times during the match. :???:

  • Comment 28, posted at 24.06.09 08:05:22 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 28) : did i complain about them dropping ball? :roll: i said they couldn’t kick.

  • Comment 29, posted at 24.06.09 08:20:07 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 29) : unless you are talking about my comments about vulindlu, then i was taking his whole season into account. not only last night’s game.

  • Comment 30, posted at 24.06.09 08:21:58 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 29) :

    Zuks??? :twisted:

  • Comment 31, posted at 24.06.09 08:32:31 by wpw Reply
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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 30) :

    How many did he drop ?
    And how many solid tackles did he make?

    How many scoring/running opportunities did he get?

    Deysel…good carries as usual…but our loose trio didn’t fire as I expected.

  • Comment 32, posted at 24.06.09 08:37:16 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Villie (Comment 7) :
    True.
    Cape Town is set for another 3 days of similar weather, and where have the Lions based themselves before their 2 games on the highveld – yep thats right – Cape Town.

  • Comment 33, posted at 24.06.09 08:38:42 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • No mention of how good Duane Vermeulen was????? You guys are so anti-stormer/province :twisted:

  • Comment 34, posted at 24.06.09 08:44:45 by molly Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 18) :
    Bobby was punting Earl Rose and Morgan Newman big time.
    Even better was the Cape Talk sports reporter this morning who said that P Divvie should be taking special note of Newman.

  • Comment 35, posted at 24.06.09 08:45:14 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 34) :
    Bobby didnt praise him to the rafters either – he is our praise guru. :wink:
    But you are right he was good.

  • Comment 36, posted at 24.06.09 08:48:39 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 35) :

    You really are bitter aren’t you?? :roll:

  • Comment 37, posted at 24.06.09 08:57:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 37) : :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 38, posted at 24.06.09 09:04:05 by Charlie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 37) :
    How does me reporting what I heard make me bitter. You will have noticed that I wasnt the only one that picked up on Bobby’s perceived agenda, it was already brought up yesterday and as for the reporter punting Newman for the Boks, I presume that you agree with his assesment, wait, maybe you are the reporter….

  • Comment 39, posted at 24.06.09 09:09:25 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Vermeulen was very good, and Deysel was deservedly MOM.

    I thought Earl Rose had a very good game in tough conditions – I live opposite Newlands Stadium and the conditions were terrible.

    Be objective guys; he broke the line, kicked well and held the line on defence.

    Kirchner and Newman were poor though.

  • Comment 40, posted at 24.06.09 09:13:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) :
    Rose was not terrible, I have seen much worse from him and the conditions were really bad. I’m not sure if Newman will want to play much more rugby with Rose after Rose sold him so splendidly though.
    I also couldnt understand

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 41) : cont
    I also couldnt understand why Rose took that sitter of a penalty when De Waal was already on the field.

  • Comment 42, posted at 24.06.09 09:27:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Seen a few comments on other sites about De Waal conversion being wide…any truth to this?

  • Comment 43, posted at 24.06.09 09:31:41 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Newman was KAK! I like the look of van Rensburg though.

  • Comment 44, posted at 24.06.09 09:33:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 43) : looked pretty good to me…

  • Comment 45, posted at 24.06.09 09:33:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 32) : how many chances do you get to score tries? he is a wing and that is his job. if we wanted a defender then we could have put riaan in his place.

  • Comment 46, posted at 24.06.09 09:36:30 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 34) : damn right. we hate the pink poefters :lol: :lol: if he was still playing for the cheetahs i would have commended him.

  • Comment 47, posted at 24.06.09 09:37:47 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : He is a Lions Player and probably very keen to move along with the other 22 players :cry: :cry: Please leave us with some players :grin:

  • Comment 48, posted at 24.06.09 09:40:18 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 43) :
    The commentators werent totally convinced either, but the subject was not really pursued by Supersport. I think we will still hear a bit more about it.

  • Comment 49, posted at 24.06.09 09:41:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) : “I live opposite Newlands Stadium”… Not to chevy…hey Fish :mrgreen:

  • Comment 50, posted at 24.06.09 09:42:32 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) : “Kicked well” is where i disagree. i will agree on the rest. he wasn’t that bad. but his kicking was dismal.

  • Comment 51, posted at 24.06.09 09:43:55 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : agree.

  • Comment 52, posted at 24.06.09 09:44:58 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : agree again.

  • Comment 53, posted at 24.06.09 09:46:09 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : @blackshark (Comment 10) :

    They were pushing their luck with 6 consecutive wins. I mean, that right there is an indication of how variable the results are in T20. Everybody was making a hullabaloo about SA’s record number of consecutive wins. In ODI’s the record is 21. Once someone accomplishes even half that in T20 then we can start talking about T20 producing consistent results. And be honest with yourselves…are you really cut up about it like you were in ’07, ’03 and ’99?? I doubt it. Wait for Champs Trophy in September. We’ll be in the final. Remember where you read it first.

  • Comment 54, posted at 24.06.09 10:01:09 by klempie Reply

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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 46) :

    Offensively , he didn’t have much to do…I don’t think it’s fair to judge him on that and act like he dropped 20 tries whereas I don’t even remember him screwing up any scoring opportunities. I don’t think he would’ve missed the Demas sitter.

    Anyway- in modern rugby your wing should be able to take as much as he gives….and I’m giving him good marks on his defensive ability. It’s that type of skill that will keep him in the game even when the team is not going forward. The last thing we need is a wing who is only interested in attacking.

    @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 43) :
    Wide? Where?
    Only the Pommies can come up with something like that – they are still convinced that one of Percy’s kicks in the RWC final went wide. I think they should invest in widescreen TV’s :yawn:

  • Comment 55, posted at 24.06.09 10:04:00 by blackshark Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 54) :

    The results vary because the players forget their basics – and try to be superheroes.

    Anyway- it’s more exciting that way…even the underdogs stand a chance…

    We don’t want cricket going bown the drain like Formula 1 now, do we?

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  • @blackshark (Comment 56) :

    even the underdogs stand a chance…

    And why is that?

  • Comment 57, posted at 24.06.09 10:17:11 by klempie Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 56) : I’m not saying get rid of it. It has it’s purpose. What I am saying is it’s a kak format and you shouldn’t slate the Proteas as chokers for getting knocked out of the tourney. If you want to watch, then watch it. But don’t place any measure of ability on the outcomes.

  • Comment 58, posted at 24.06.09 10:19:12 by klempie Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 55) : they also still think that Cueto scored a try in that game!

  • Comment 59, posted at 24.06.09 10:20:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

    Willem de Waal, take a bow.

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  • @klempie (Comment 57) :

    See first line of Comment 56.

  • Comment 61, posted at 24.06.09 10:25:31 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) :

    I thought he had an Earl Rose game.
    Some good touches, some horrible touches but all in all he played well in terrible conditions.

    Newman wasnt great but I can see what P Divvie sees in him.

    Was always going to be difficult for Kirchner. I’ve played a lot of fullback in the last few years and these are the some fo the worst possible conditions to play fullback in.

    I’m stil smiling. A team without a single international cap drew with the second best side the British Isles could muster. A magnificent feat.
    Lets also not forget that this is the first tiem these guys have played together against a Lions squad that has 7 games under the belt.

    Truly marvellous and the future of the game in SA is in safe hands if thats the sort of playrs we have coming through.

    Lions in for a hiding on Saturday.

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 62) : summed up my thoughts on the match too

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  • @blackshark (Comment 61) : That’s balls man. They don’t forget their basics. The high-risk nature of the game requires them to not play good basics. That’s my issue with it. Having good basics does not win you games. Because you just need one slogger to come off in the opposition and it’s good night nurse. Just ask Shahid Afridi. He’d done eff-all in the comp in the lead up to that game.

  • Comment 64, posted at 24.06.09 10:33:41 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 64) : Batsmen can take bigger risks because if it doesn’t work out they know they’re not gonna lose their place in the team. When you’ve got batsmen lapping deliveries over the keepers head for four you know it’s shit.

  • Comment 65, posted at 24.06.09 10:36:43 by klempie Reply

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  • Just read the eBoks had four training sessions in the lead-up to this game.

    Makes the feat all the more special. They were fielding such veteran internationals as o’Gara, Hook, d’Arcy, Williams, Vickery, Shaw.

    Come on guys – it’s an incredible feat. I take more from this game than I took from Saturdays test match.

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 66) : I agree totally. I did something stupid though. I was at the gym and on my way out sat down in front of the big screen to watch the last 8 mins or so. Then about 2 mins to go eBoks lost possession so I thought that was the game and got in the car. Arrived home and saw they’d leveled it! :evil:

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  • @klempie (Comment 58) :

    I don’t get what you’re trying to say here.

    I think it’s that mentality that makes the so-called “top” teams struggle. They treat T20 like some family game in the park on Sunday.

    The sooner they realise that they need to have a plan to maximise the 120 deliveries…know when to launch an attack and when to nudge the ball around for singles and 2′s and still score at around 8 an over…when the bowlers know when to bowl line and when to bowl length…that’s when you’ll see the full value of the format.

    T20 experience will help a lot of teams when D/L comes into play in 50 over games. Teams will know how to defend a low total against a full team…or how to chase a target with reduced overs…

    So – maybe they choked…or maybe they were just beaten by a team that played better on the day…or maybe they choked AND were beaten by a team that played better on day…take your pick…

  • Comment 68, posted at 24.06.09 10:46:50 by blackshark Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 67) : you’re far too emotional about this!

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  • @blackshark (Comment 68) : I develop the software that the Proteas use during game analysis BS. So I know for a FACT that they don’t treat it like some family game in the park on Sunday. Ironically, it was Pakistan’s captain that _did_ say he he thought it was a bit of fun for the fans…

  • Comment 70, posted at 24.06.09 10:53:50 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) : It pisses me off when people slag the team off without merit.

  • Comment 71, posted at 24.06.09 10:54:49 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 71) :
    HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Oh sorry, were you being serious? :shock:

  • Comment 72, posted at 24.06.09 10:58:17 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 71) : eh?

  • Comment 73, posted at 24.06.09 10:58:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 72) : I was. The Proteas are quite possibly in the best era SA cricket has ever had and people throw choker labels at them in a completely meaningless format. We just gave Aus an 7-3 hiding in ODIs with a very inexperienced squad recently and it’s completely forgotten about.

  • Comment 74, posted at 24.06.09 11:03:44 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 74) : It’d be like throwing the Sharks into a provincial 7s comp and they lose in a semi and get labeled chokers. :roll:

  • Comment 75, posted at 24.06.09 11:05:27 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 70) :

    It seems like they use it for analysis – but they forgot to program the players…

    There was nothing systematic about how they chased 149 the other day…especially for a team with a long’ish batting lineup…it didn’t look like they had a plan to me…

    Please define -SLAG without merit… :???:

    @VinChainSaw (Comment 66) : o’Gara is a poor man’s Willem De Waal… :razz:

    I was quite chuffed with the outcome – but thanks to Cape Town weather…we were robbed of the full potential of the game.

  • Comment 76, posted at 24.06.09 11:07:56 by blackshark Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 75) :

    Ha ha ha …they were not exactly “thrown” into the comp.
    They’ve been involved in this format for a while and they’ve just played in the competitive IPL. The dudes won 6 in a row (?) and looked really balanced – and then they lost to Pakistan in the semis…one more cup engraved “ALMOST WORLD CHAMPS”… :roll:

  • Comment 77, posted at 24.06.09 11:14:06 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 76) : the very concept that you could even have such a thing as a “poor man’s Willem de Waal” blows my mind!

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  • @blackshark (Comment 76) : Courtesy UrbanDictionary.com and Thesaurus.com

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slag+off

    1. slag off
    To verbally attack, using disparaging terms.

    http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/merit

    Main Entry: merit
    Part of Speech: noun
    Definition: advantage
    Synonyms: arete, asset, benefit, caliber, credit, desert, dignity,
    excellence, excellency, good, goodness, honor, integrity,
    perfection, quality, stature, strong point, talent, value,
    virtue, *worth*, worthiness

    Therefore, to slag off without merit basically means mouthing off with no leg to stand on. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 79, posted at 24.06.09 11:21:52 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : :lol: You get my point…

  • Comment 80, posted at 24.06.09 11:23:26 by blackshark Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 79) :

    Now please use it in a sentence… :razz:

  • Comment 81, posted at 24.06.09 11:24:17 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 77) : Let me rephrase. It’d be like playing the Sharks in a 7s comp and they lose in a semi and get labeled chokers. :roll:

  • Comment 82, posted at 24.06.09 11:24:46 by klempie Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 81) : The fair weather fan SW poster known as blackshark slagged the Proteas off without merit, calling them chokers when they lost a semi-final in a meaningless T20 competition.

    How’s that?

  • Comment 83, posted at 24.06.09 11:27:45 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 82) :

    I’d call them chokers if they had players who are good enough to compete and win a meaningless 7′s competition.

    @klempie (Comment 83) :

    That’s because the other words are not allowed on SW… :lol:

  • Comment 84, posted at 24.06.09 11:32:28 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 84) : That’s the problem BS. MOST teams have the players good enough to win a T20 comp. You can’t seriously be trying to tell me that Aus have worse players than Ireland??

    Re the words, you just have to know where the edge of the envelope is. :wink:

  • Comment 85, posted at 24.06.09 11:36:38 by klempie Reply

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  • klempie

    Since 1992 we only made the final of a major tournament once.

    ONCE??

    Pakistan even managed to make more finals than us and we have beat them consistently when we do play them in either tests or ODI’s.

    We CHOKED as simple as that and we the Proteas side has a history of doing that!!!

  • Comment 86, posted at 24.06.09 11:42:15 by wpw Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 82) :

    That doesn’t make sense because the Sharks don’t play 7′s on a regular basis whereas the Proteas play T20 cricket every season.

    Next excuse please??? :twisted:

  • Comment 87, posted at 24.06.09 11:52:01 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 86) : Wes man. The CT zol is slowing your mind.

    I am not claiming that they haven’t been chokers. My mate and I went out and got DVDs after the 4th wicket went down in the ’07 WC. I’m saying that having that tag given to them for getting knocked out of a T20 comp is just plain ludicrous. Last year’s IPL finalists came stone last this year while this year’s finalists finished in the bottom half last year. The reigning World T20 chumps couldn’t buy a win in the Super 8. It’s a complete farce. Just because it’s an international comp doesn’t mean it’s worth anything. It’s a money making gimick that’s needed but is no indicator of skill or form whatsoever. If that had been any other team nothing would’ve been said. But because SA have that record in other PROPER tournaments…well…it sells papers doesn’t it?

    I’m just saying. Labeling that loss as a choke is unfair and unwarranted. They deserve it for ’99, ’03 (well that was more bad math), and ’07 but not for a kak T20 comp.

    PS. You need to get your facts straight. We won the first Champions Trophy (Knock Out as it was known then in ’98) and we’re Commonwealth Games champions.

  • Comment 88, posted at 24.06.09 11:52:58 by klempie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 87) : That’s why I rephrased. I was saying if there were a provincial 7s competition that the Sharks played in and they lost in a semi would they be labeled chokers? How come Aussie or England Sevens don’t have that tag?

  • Comment 89, posted at 24.06.09 11:55:07 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 88) :

    Commonwealth Games?? :roll:

  • Comment 90, posted at 24.06.09 11:59:44 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 90) : Yeh. It’s second only to the Olympics in events of that nature…

  • Comment 91, posted at 24.06.09 12:02:44 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 85) :
    Great -the players are good on paper but they still need to perform.
    Grass is good on paper – but paper doesn’t work on grass… :razz:

    @klempie (Comment 88) :

    But perhaps you have a point – this was not a proper competition…
    That would explain why we signed up with Reebok to give us that cheap kit. I was struggling to read the fineprint under the words SOUTH AFRICA…but after high tech zooming I discovered the following writing ” Screw T-20…we’re just here for the London Eye”…

  • Comment 92, posted at 24.06.09 12:59:14 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 92) : you need to roll the grass in the paper…

    Sauce will be along shortly to share some further tips :)

  • Comment 93, posted at 24.06.09 13:05:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) :
    :lol:

  • Comment 94, posted at 24.06.09 13:12:55 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 92) : LOL. That new kit is pretty kak I agree.

  • Comment 95, posted at 24.06.09 13:44:38 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 88) : A choker is a team who reaches finals regularly, is always expected to win, but doesn’t. Much like the Sharks. Much like the Proteas.

    Live with it.

  • Comment 96, posted at 24.06.09 15:10:02 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 96) :
    Proteas dont reach finals.

  • Comment 97, posted at 24.06.09 15:36:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • semi finals, finals, tomato, tomatoe!! :roll:

  • Comment 98, posted at 24.06.09 15:40:07 by wpw Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 96) : Ah I see the problem now. You morons all expected them to win a T20 tournament? Well that’s your problem. I didn’t mainly because T20 is such a lottery. For me it’d be like getting upset that I didn’t win the sweepstakes. I did the sensible thing and didn’t watch a single game.

  • Comment 99, posted at 24.06.09 16:54:10 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 99) :
    Maybe you should compare it to tossing a coin, chances are 50/50. One thing is certain and that is if you do apply the basics of real cricket or even 50 over cricket – you will lose.

  • Comment 100, posted at 24.06.09 17:04:18 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 100) : We can use the coin toss if you wish then. The same theory applies. Would you bet your house on heads and then be annoyed when it came up tails?

  • Comment 101, posted at 24.06.09 17:13:35 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 101) : Sorry….rephrase. “Be justifiably annoyed”

  • Comment 102, posted at 24.06.09 17:15:06 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : Did someone say grass

  • Comment 103, posted at 24.06.09 17:19:59 by Claytie Reply
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  • @Claytie (Comment 103) : uh oh… :)

  • Comment 104, posted at 24.06.09 17:44:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • my SB suffered badly, most of us suffered, i only got half a point, halftime leaders :razz:

  • Comment 105, posted at 24.06.09 18:04:19 by JarsonX Reply
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  • How do you spell chokers – ESPANA, SPAIN, SPANJE.

  • Comment 106, posted at 25.06.09 08:48:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 106) :

    At least they are the reigning European Champions!!! :roll:

    Proteas = chokers!!!

  • Comment 107, posted at 25.06.09 08:56:17 by wpw Reply
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  • Nah, not good enough, thats just a regional tournament, like us being one day cricket champs of Africa. :twisted: , the prima donnas couldnt even get past the football giants that are the USA, maybe European football is just crap and North American football is good.

    Must have been the vuvuzelas.

  • Comment 108, posted at 25.06.09 09:04:55 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 108) :

    If I’m not mistaken the USA are ranked in the top 15 of the world rankings.

    They also beat the African Champions (Egypt)

    They are a decent side!!! :neutral:

  • Comment 109, posted at 25.06.09 09:09:42 by wpw Reply
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  • I was right. USA are ranked 14th in the world!! :shock:

  • Comment 110, posted at 25.06.09 09:11:57 by wpw Reply
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  • You are also right that they are a decent side, maybe the Spanish thought it would be necessary to just pitch up and take the points. Now, as a Sharks supporter, why does that sound familiar.

  • Comment 111, posted at 25.06.09 09:29:08 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • The weirdest thing is that yesterday morning, driving to the office, I suddenly got this feeling that Spain would lose, I still wanted to tell Villie to put his house on my hunch, but son forgot aboutit, I even forgot about the game until I started channel hopping last night.
    I had the same hunch before the Sharks / Reds game this year, but still picked The Sharks on SB. Trust your hunches.

  • Comment 112, posted at 25.06.09 09:44:14 by Salmonoid Reply
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