Cheetahs opt not to use their returning Bok

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Cheetahs, Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 7 Jul 2009 at 14:18
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Free State Cheetahs coach Naka Drotské has opted not to pick Bok winger Jongi Nokwe for this weekend’s opening Currie Cup clash against Griquas, even though the flyer has been released for provincial duty.

A combination of a nightmare outing for the Boks on Nokwe’s part and some fine form in training by young Bok Sevens winger Lionel Mapoe will see the youngster start ahead of his more experienced rival. Hendro Scholtz is back to captain the team, which will feature two further debutants in the 22, scrumhalves Tertius Carse and Gerrie Odendaal, formerly of Griquas and the Valke respectively.

The Bulls will be in good shape this weekend, with a number of returning Boks available to them. Dewald Potgieter, Zane Kirchner and Wynand Olivier will all add some experience to a young side likely to be captained by hooker Derrick Küun and with Burton Francis at flyhalf, provided the latter recovers from the knee injury that kept him out of the Emerging Bok side to face the Lions.

Down in Sharks country, coach John Plumtree has certainly not ruled out the possibility of Juan Martin Hernandez joining up with the team at some stage this season, although that’s unlikely to be in tie for Saturday’s opener against Western Province. Apparently, the Argentinian magician is keen to join up with the Sharks and will be on the first plane over, provided the bean counters can thrash out a mutually acceptable deal. Don’t mess this one up, Strools!

The Sharks will also have a number of returning Boks available, with Deon Carstens, Steven Sykes, Johann Muller and Odwa Ndungane all sure to start this weekend. Ryan Kankowski is also available, but there are some concerns over his fitness, so a decision on his participation will be taken later in the week. Keegan Daniel will take over at eight if Kanko can’t play, with Justin Downey coming into the squad.

Guy Cronjé has apparently done enough to convince the coach of his credentials and will be entrusted with the flyhalf jersey against Western Province. Plumtree concedes that continuity at pivot is vital and, unlike last year, the Sharks will look to give Cronjé and extended run in the position to allow him to settle.

Cheetahs team:

15 Hennie Daniller, 14 Danwel Demas, 13 Corné Uys, 12 Meyer Bosman, 11 Lionel Mapoe, 10 Jacques-Louis Potgieter, 9 Gerrie Odendaal, 8 Francois Uys, 7 Hendro Scholtz (capt), 6 Johan Wessels, 5 David de Villiers, 4 Nico Breedt, 3 WP Nel, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Wian du Preez. Replacements: 16 Richardt Strauss, 17 Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Frans Viljoen, 19 Kabamba Floors, 20 Tertius Carse, 21 Louis Strydom, 22 JW Jonker.


  • Rob, how come Demas isn’t in the player list for justrugby? At least, I didn’t see him. And NO, I don’t want him in my squad.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.07.09 14:56:44 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 1) :

    I was just gonna ask how does he manage to get selected week in and week out?? :shock:

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.07.09 15:04:20 by wpw Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 1) :o versight. He will be shortly

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.07.09 15:05:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 2) : I just got a little confuzzled with the Dames guy… That’s pretty much the only reason I noticed.

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.07.09 15:11:36 by molly Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 2) : He scored the try that drew the game with the Lions. He’s as legendary as De Waal. Actually, thats an insult to De Waal, I take it back.

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.07.09 15:14:00 by molly Reply
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  • after his performance on saturday, i wouldn’t put him in my team. knockon nokwe was poor.

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.07.09 15:15:45 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • sounds like young Jongi might soon leave Bloem anyway. His salary demands have outgrown the modest Cheetah purse

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.07.09 15:18:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ag jinne! He’s in my FL staring 15…

    ROB – I managed to register my team eventually!!

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.07.09 15:22:19 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • Guys-please remind me to pick my FL team tomorrow…

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.07.09 15:24:33 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 8) : having some problems? You know you can change your team as much as you like this week?

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.07.09 15:29:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 9) : dude, pick your FL team tomorrow!

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.07.09 15:30:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : Is he gonna be moving on during the currie? or after? Cause I think I have him as well.

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.07.09 15:31:48 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 12) :

    If you know what’s good for you pick Derrick Kuun. He WILL score some tries this CC season and he is captain of the Cows!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.07.09 15:36:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 13) : good point… but Tiaan Liebenberg is gonna ROCK the competition. As we all know WP – Currie Cup Champs 2009!!!

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.07.09 15:39:50 by molly Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) :

    Thanks yes!! Just scared I dont always get to do it in time! :oops:

    @wpw (Comment 13) :

    I have him.. :cool:

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.07.09 15:40:50 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • Comment 16, posted at 07.07.09 15:43:17 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 16) : what? I’m serious.

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.07.09 15:48:23 by molly Reply
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  • and Elvis is still in the lead with 9 votes :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    On the flipside
    Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:20

    Former rugby365 staffer Chris Waldburger, now part of the general populace but still very keen on his rugby, takes a very different look at the Springboks’ performance against the British and Irish Lions. In fact, you could say he is on the flipside of the coin!

    At the end of a tour, it is customary to choose a Player of the Series in celebration of the rugby played. However, at the conclusion of this tour, I have decided that the most pertinent award should be The Worst Performance of the Series, and I will opt not to award this dubious honour to any of the players, instead I will award the ‘prize’ to the South African rugby media.

    What on earth is the matter with the majority of our press? Since when did beating the Lions (a team made up of four strong and proud rugby nations) justify the absolute slating that the coach and team have received?

    And while I am on that point, since when did the British media have the right to tell us what we should think of our coach?

    These are the facts. Peter de Villiers inherited a team that narrowly beat Fiji, Argentina and England in succession to win the World Cup. If those performances had been taken out of the context of a World Cup, the press would have torn into Jake White with all their cynical ferocity. Journalists would have bemoaned the conservative game plan incessantly, much like they bemoan the current pattern of choice.

    Under De Villiers, the team emerged out of a post-Cup malaise (see the Bulls Super 14 performance of 2008) induced by administrative confusion and player exhaustion, to beat New Zealand in Dunedin for the first time ever, and claim an unbeaten record on an end-of-year tour for the first time since 1997! And now we have beaten the Lions, who are made up of two strong Welsh and Irish sides, both of whom would give the All Blacks and the Wallabies a good run for their money, based on what we saw the French do during their Australasian sojourn.

    Yet now we have a situation in which the press has created a mythology of this unbeatable Springbok outfit, tarnished by the errant Peter de Villiers. I am going to get ridiculed for saying this, but to me it smacks of a touch of residual racism.

    Firstly, the mythology is completely invented. For one thing, had Mike Catt and Jason Robinson not gotten themselves injured during the World Cup final, we may just have had an upset on the cards. Yes, the victory was stupendous, and Jake White had prepared a marvelous squad but this mythology of a perfect, disciplined team is just outlandish, and one can’t help feeling that it has been concocted specifically to destroy de Villiers.

    Secondly, the current Springbok team just beat a team made up of four regular starting line-ups. In my opinion, every time the Lions don’t win a series, it is a little bit embarrassing for them. Imagine Australia, New Zealand and South Africa formed a single team and toured France. If they lost such a series, the losing coach would be instantly sacked, and the French coach hailed as a rugby genius. Yet strangely the reverse has happened here: De Villiers is a clown and McGeechan a rugby genius. Give me a break. The Springboks didn’t perform perfectly. But rugby isn’t gymnastics. You play to win, if I remember, not for the plaudits of some guys sitting in a press box. And here’s a newsflash to the media, we won.

    Let me be honest. De Villiers is a bit eccentric. He says some funny things and sometimes he says some silly things. And this kind of thing really annoys the cynical Europeans, whose countries often have to put up with bores like Gordon Brown and Prince Charles for inspiration. But that doesn’t mean we have to join in on the slating. South Africa is different. We aren’t slick and proper. we’re all a bit funny, just like Peter de Villiers. That’s how we play our rugby. We win matches we should never win, and we lose a couple we should never lose. Give me that and a few World Cups any day rather than the slick professionalism of Australia and the All Blacks. I mean, look at the Bulls for crying out loud. Loftus is a really funny place. But that’s South African rugby for you, and it’s that kind of thing that makes our country an infinitely more interesting place than England at the moment.

    If Peter de Villiers were as bad a coach as everyone is saying he is, where are the players criticizing him? Why haven’t the senior guys retired, having won a World Cup and beaten the Lions? My bet is that they are still confident that the current Springbok outfit can do the business against the likes of New Zealand and Australia.

    The Tri-Nations is bound to be tough. It has always been a little unfair on the Boks with their unique travel requirements. I hope we win it. But we may not. The other teams we have to play are the world’s best – just like us. But win or lose, the least we can do is set aside all this childish innuendo perpetuated by our press. It’s detracting from the spectacle of what is one of humanity’s great sporting pursuits.

    Here’s to Smitty, Pdivvy, and the rest of the boys.

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.07.09 15:49:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 17) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.07.09 15:57:33 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • Are any of Bulls, Sharks, WP, Lions really considering ‘buying’ Nokwe?

    Can’t believe that. He’s quick but that’s about it. Shouldn’t be in the test team.

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.07.09 17:19:04 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 18) : I am not much of a PDiv fan but that was a great article actually. good piece to make one think.

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.07.09 22:12:11 by beez Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 18) :

    Well that put me in my place….definitely not a P Divvy fan – but Chris Waldburger has a point..

    Go Bokke…

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.07.09 10:14:46 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • must say, I like this Waldburger chap… must track him down adn offer a guest writing spot :)

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.07.09 10:24:31 by robdylan Reply
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