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Kicking duel will be key in the wet


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks, WP on 10 Jul 2009 at 11:48
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Both the Sharks and Western Province have named sides with a fair few strengths, along with some glaring weaknesses. Let’s have a look at some of the key match-ups and try to predict a winner.

The immediate temptation is to look no further than the flyhalf duel; the general Willem de Waal, so good with the boot and so effective in the horrendous sort of weather that is predicted for Cape Town tomorrow, will surely have the better of Sharks rookie Guy Cronjé. De Waal is a proven match winner and provided he gets enough ball will look to turn the Sharks all day. Cronjé, in contrast, may one-day turn out to be a more rounded player than de Waal, but to compare him to the veteran in terms of kicking game right now hardly makes sense. Advantage Province.

It’s never quite as simple as that, though, as there’s a huge amount of stuff that needs to occur before the flyhalf gets the ball into his grubby hands – I’m talking, of course, about those “other guys” on the field, the ones wearing number lower than 10. The forwards, in particular, should be a very interesting area for further analysis. The Sharks have the better continuity in the tight 5 and certainly should look to dominate at scrum time, although the inclusion of a new hooker in Craig Burden could well disrupt them at the set pieces. They say that hooker and number 8 are the key positions in the forwards and for the Sharks, the only chink in their up-front armour may be the relative inexperience of Burden and Keegan Daniel in these positions.

The Stormers have exactly the opposite problem, with their two best forwards and possibly the form men for them in the Super 14, Tiaan Liebenberg and Luke Watson, operating at 2 and 8 respectively. They have the same set of soft props and the Sharks will look to target them in the scrums. Also, although their locks, Anton van Zyl and Chris Jack, are individually very talented, the tight five as a unit has never played together. The Sharks also have far more experience on the flanks, with Jean Deysel and Jacques Botes streets ahead of the two Pieters, Louw and Myburgh.

On the face of it, the Sharks should take it upfront and, provided they manage to hold onto the ball and get the rolling maul going, they might just have the wet-weather goods to take de Waal out of the game. Lineouts could be a lottery, but I feel that untried combinations on both sides could even the score here somewhat.

Next is the scrumhalf duel and each side, we have a pretty determined ball hogger and as a pair, they may well conspire to lessen the importance of the flyhalf battle. This could work more in the Sharks favour. Rory Kockott will operate as a fourth loose-forward and will also use his educated booth to take some pressure of his young flyhalf. Ricky Januarie’s service hadn’t been great this season and should his pack receive the expected hammering, de Waal might find that his scrumhalf struggles to get him any sort of reasonable ball. The Sharks have picked a very defensive centre combination as well and together with the loose forwards, they might look to further pressurise de Waal.

I don’t see the remainder of either backline coming into play much on attack, so the Sharks may just have got this one right by picking such a defensively-sound unit. Zuks Vulindlu is the one real unknown here and he will have his hands full keeping Frikkie Welsh quiet. The Province back three, of course, will probably look to counter-attack at all costs, but it’s only really Joe Pietersen in that unit that has any pace.

Wow – I started off believing that Province would walk this one, but since I’ve been through this thought process, I’ve actually started to believe that the Sharks may just take it, by 7 or less. Craig Burden and Guy Cronjé are the two key players who’s BMT will be sorely tested. Should either crack under the pressure, Province will win easily. Luke Watson and de Waal will be their key players and both have the ability to turn the match their team’s way.

Teams:

Western Province: 15 Joe Pietersen, 14 Frikkie Welsh, 13 Morgan Newman, 12 Peter Grant, 11 Sireli Naqelevuki, 10 Willem De Waal, 9 Ricky Januarie, 8 Luke Watson (captain), 7 Pieter Louw, 6 Pieter Myburgh, 5 Anton Van Zyl, 4 Chris Jack, 3 Brok Harris, 2 Tiaan Liebenberg, 1 Wicus Blaauw.
Replacements: 16 Hanyani Shimange, 17 JD Moller, 18 De Kock Steenkamp, 19 Deon Fourie, 20 Dewaldt Duvenage, 21 Juan De Jongh, 22 Tonderai Chavhanga.

The Sharks: 15 Stefan Terblanche, 14 Odwa Ndungane, 13 Andries Strauss, 12 Riaan Swanepoel, 11 Luzuko Vulindlu, 10 Guy Cronjé, 9 Rory Kockott, 8 Keegan Daniel, 7 Jean Deysel, 6 Jacques Botes, 5 Johann Muller (captain), 4 Steven Sykes, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Craig Burden, 1 Deon Carstens.
Replacements: 16 Skipper Badenhorst, 17 Patric Cilliers, 18 Albert van den Berg, 19 Justin Downey/Ryan Kankowski, 20 Charl McLeod, 21 Monty Dumond, 22 Chris Jordaan.

Referee: Jaco Peyper
Assistant referees: François Veldsman, Cobus Wessels
TMO: JC Fortuin



93 Comments

  • The only thing the Sharks have over WP in the tight 5 is continuity as mentioned, but Burden is not your answer there.

    I expect De Waal to target Vulindlo quite a bit.

    The Sharks have the wood over WP in the loosies, and this might be telling.

    But if they allow De Waal and WP anything more than 40% possession I believe WP might cause an upset.

    The Sharks dont like being turned, and Terblanche’s kicking game is predictable.

    I give this to the Sharks by 5 simply because I think they got the goods to frustrate WP into making stupid mistakes and their loosies will deny WP any momentum.

    However, kick the ball on WP enough and they will win the tactical battle of the boot.

    Cronje will be vital for the Sharks, if he folds, the Sharks will fold.

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.07.09 11:58:23 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 1) : yes… you are spot on. Actually think the Sharks need to try keep ball amongst the forward as much as possible in the first hour.

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.07.09 11:59:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 1) : when it comes to Zuks, though, will Welsh be fast enough to pressurise him into making those mistakes, or capitalising on any he does make?

    With that step, Zuks could make Welsh look pretty silly if he rushes up and misses the tackle

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.07.09 12:01:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) :

    He might beat one defender, but it will be suicide to run back from his own half against the whole team. All his supporters will be offside if he gets tackled an isolated.

    Does he have a kicking game?

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.07.09 12:04:59 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 4) : I doubt it :(

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.07.09 12:10:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 4) : anyway – he’s big enough to run over Pietersen, so that’s two taken care of. Daniel will be there to support him, as always :)

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.07.09 12:11:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • A walk in the park for WP.

    One of those ‘just show up and we’ll win’ games!!!

    Go Province!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.07.09 12:18:51 by wpw Reply
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  • Well thought out article Rob. I am very nervous about this game, especially now, that the weather is going to be a big factor. Hope it keeps the crowds away Fat hope!!) as they are also a big factor at Newlands.
    IMHO our guys are going to have to concentrate for the whole 80 minutes..any slip & WP will punish us…discipline is also going to be vital, as playing in that kind of weather can be very frustrating…frustration leads to ………

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.07.09 12:19:24 by Me2 Reply

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  • Like the game against the Valke last season.

    Shite, we lost that one didn’t we?? :roll:

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.07.09 12:19:57 by wpw Reply
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  • it doesn’t matter if it is wet or dry, stefan is going to kick the ball. sharks only have one gameplan.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.07.09 12:22:46 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 10) :
    Still on about Stefan are we???

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.07.09 12:24:23 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 (Comment 8) : penalties, which de Waal can kick from anywhere

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.07.09 12:26:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • i stopped after the bulls game when he actually ran the ball, then i realised it was a flash in the pan performance cos in the lions game he was back to ‘skop hom weg” rugby. so if he plays 3 games in a row where he runs the ball a bit, i’ll drop my ridicule.

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.07.09 12:27:06 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 10) : @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 11) : :lol:

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.07.09 12:27:27 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 1) :

    So you reckon it will be an upset if Province wins?

    I just hope the weather will not play too much of a role in this one…
    Rain is okay…but rain & wind – that’s just terrible stuff…especially for the nervous youngsters.

    @Morné (Comment 4) :
    Don’t know much about Zuks’ kicking game – expecting a lot of up and unders if he is under pressure…that’s if he is composed enough to hang on to the balls in the first place.

    I have no worries about his pace and his defence though…

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.07.09 12:31:59 by blackshark Reply

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  • Never trust the weatherman.

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.07.09 12:32:11 by McLovin Reply

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  • Weather dot com predicts no rain for Cape Town tomorrow.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.07.09 12:33:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • Wind From Northwest at 27 kmph

    Is that a strong wind?

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.07.09 12:34:32 by McLovin Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 7) : Hahaha… not likely, but you keep thinking positively :wink:

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.07.09 12:34:44 by Rahul Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 15) : “that’s if he is composed enough to hang on to the balls” I am quite sure this has come out wrong :???:

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.07.09 12:34:48 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • According to the Beaufort scale it’s a moderate breeze. Only just.

    28kmph = Fresh breeze.

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.07.09 12:36:11 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 18) : its all relative…
    For a fart, yes… a hurricane, not

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.07.09 12:36:57 by Rahul Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 21) :

    WTF is a kmph? :shock:

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.07.09 12:37:16 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 23) : km/h :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.07.09 12:39:28 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 20) : :lol:

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.07.09 12:41:08 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 22) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.07.09 12:41:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 15) : defensive alignment is more of a concern than one-on-one tackling. You need to be in the right place at the right time to make the tackle. That only comes with experience.

    Also, his hands are not the greatest. In a wet weather game…

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.07.09 12:42:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • cheers guys!! I’m out!!!

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.07.09 12:44:00 by wpw Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 22) :

    Ha ha … I should make a collection of this stuff…
    Sell the book and get rich…

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.07.09 12:44:46 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) :

    That’s where Stefan and Odwa come in…

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.07.09 12:46:01 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : Exactly!!
    Go to the top of the class :lol:

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.07.09 12:46:46 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 18) : Suppose you’d injure yourself farting at that speed. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.07.09 12:48:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • According to google, farts have been clocked at around 11 kilometres per hour.

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.07.09 12:49:58 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 24) :

    :lol: :oops:

    I thought it was kph.

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.07.09 12:54:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 33) : :lol: you googled it

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.07.09 12:55:59 by Rahul Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 30) : Need a good back 3… Cahin is only as strong as its weakest link

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.07.09 12:58:07 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 35) : Also found this guy. Joseph Pujol, he was a French professional farter. :shock: :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.07.09 12:58:57 by McLovin Reply

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  • Chain! :oops:

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.07.09 12:59:14 by Rahul Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 37) : bet his job stank!

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.07.09 13:00:02 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 39) : His performance too. :roll:

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.07.09 13:01:54 by McLovin Reply

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  • WHHHHAAAATTTTT! FL is closed!!!!! I want to speak to the manager!

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.07.09 13:03:39 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 41) :

    YOU want to speak to the manager?????????? I didn’t put a single player in my team yet. :sad:

    I have just seen the rule that says it closes at 12 0n friday :lol: You snooze you lose.

    I suppose i gotta give you guys a chance :wink:

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.07.09 13:05:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 40) :

    Check out your user stats :cool:

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.07.09 13:06:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 42) : You got an excuse now! We’ll never hear the end of it. :wink:

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.07.09 13:12:56 by Rahul Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 43) : 8991? What am I missing?

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.07.09 13:14:13 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 31) : hey… this is my classroom :)

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.07.09 13:20:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © : 104 entries for FL :cool:

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.07.09 13:20:38 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 41) : read the rules!

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.07.09 13:22:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) : I was misled by your pardner…

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.07.09 13:23:54 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 49) : what did he say?

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.07.09 13:25:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : He said op to an hour before! :wink:

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.07.09 13:26:48 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 51) : what time does the first game kick off?

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.07.09 13:32:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • Was Morgan Newman not with the Sharks a few weaks ago?

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.07.09 13:34:45 by Rahul Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : no idea :oops:

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.07.09 13:35:07 by Rahul Reply

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  • 15h30!

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.07.09 13:36:18 by Rahul Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) :

    is it not tonight at 7?

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.07.09 13:37:32 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 53) : no – Rocco Jansen.

    Hmmm, they have shut down JustinTV.

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.07.09 13:38:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 53) : Nee

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.07.09 13:40:19 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : oh dear! ill have to go home then!

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.07.09 13:40:54 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 55) : ok – I will open FL for another hour… that’s it. Special favour.

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.07.09 13:41:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 56) : NO!! Early game in Wellington!?!!

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.07.09 13:43:04 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • Cheers all…off early today…GGOO SSHHAARRKKSS!!!

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.07.09 13:43:49 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • :twisted: Sharks are stuck at Cape Town airport with mo transport. These guys will go to all measures to unsettle the mighty Sharks. Damn fools forgot that ther is a return leg to be played.

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.07.09 13:45:47 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) : Tell oubass, He got no players picked yet!!!!

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.07.09 13:47:22 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 63) : how did you figure that out? Why don’t you go pick them up?

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.07.09 13:48:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 64) : he’s not answering

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.07.09 13:48:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 63) : Double booked the hotel room, food poisoning, its all familiar

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.07.09 13:50:16 by Rahul Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : :lol: still on vacation!

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.07.09 13:51:26 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 63) : @Rahul (Comment 67) : Getting your excuses in early? :mrgreen: :wink:

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.07.09 13:51:47 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 69) : oh ho ho… a little afternoon banter? It’s taken long enough.

    Was expecting you Stormers lads to come out firing on this thread… what a disappointment.

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.07.09 14:02:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 45) :

    About to hit 9k

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.07.09 14:02:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : Like our team… :cry:

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.07.09 14:04:46 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) :

    Took kids for a swim.

    Lemme get my team sorted quickly. Are there enough Sharks listed to fill my squad?

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.07.09 14:05:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 71) : And they say dreams don’t come true. :razz: :smile:

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.07.09 14:05:53 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 72) : exactly.

    Breaking news… Kanko out, Downey in

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.07.09 14:06:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Going in the opposite direction, I thought thats why wpw up and left so quickly – he was probably the assigned driver in the first place.

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.07.09 14:08:11 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 73) : of course! :)

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.07.09 14:08:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) :
    Has the bus pitched yet.

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.07.09 14:09:28 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 76) : what happened to giving your all for the team?

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.07.09 14:09:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 78) : they are at the hotel, having lunch. Weather is crap.

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.07.09 14:11:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) :
    :shock: I hope you warned them about the food.

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.07.09 14:15:42 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 73) :

    herkie Kruger playing at 10 for the Lions!!!!!!!!! :shock:

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.07.09 14:18:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 81) : don’t want to spook them out any further.

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.07.09 14:22:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 69) : no need for excuses, WeePee’s are ominously quiet here, never a good sign for them. Fans have no faith in their team :neutral:

  • Comment 84, posted at 10.07.09 14:35:48 by Rahul Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : Sheizer, i forgot you are ze enemy this week

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.07.09 14:40:23 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) : Okai bad news or desperate news? :oops:

  • Comment 86, posted at 10.07.09 14:59:08 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Prooooooooooooooooooooooovince… prooooooooooooooooooooooovince…..

  • Comment 87, posted at 10.07.09 15:17:22 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 87) :

    geez – you are on the roll today!! :mrgreen:

    Next comic standing…?

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.07.09 15:21:20 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 87) : Which province? :wink:

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.07.09 15:27:36 by Rahul Reply

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  • This new scam is being pulled mainly on older men. What happens is that when you stop for a red light a young, nude woman comes up and pretends to be washing your windshield. While she is doing this another person opens your back door and steals anything in the car. They are very good at this.

    They got me 7 times Friday and 5 times Saturday. I wasn’t able to find them on Sunday.

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.07.09 15:33:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 86) : Kanko is crocked and Downey is super keen… I know which one I’d rather have there.

    Even if he wasn’t “family”…

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.07.09 15:48:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) : Never seen Downey, that is why I am asking. Kanko has not impressed me this S14 and BIL 3rd test, I feel he is sacrificing the team to try and secure the Green and Gold shirt, so plays alone and gets isolated and loses the ball. So I was hoping your answer would be what you said. Bit worried that I was doing what I was accusing the Sharks of doing earlier, in our discussion about the Dups and Frans.

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.07.09 15:58:55 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 92) : Kanko was nobbled by not having the right flanks with him in the Super 14

  • Comment 93, posted at 10.07.09 16:27:49 by robdylan Reply
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