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Where are the hard men?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 15 Jul 2009 at 13:53
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I had a very interesting chat with fellow blogger Morné yesterday and as always, he got me thinking to the extent that I just had to write an article! We were pondering a pretty diabolical performance from a Sharks pack that, on paper at least, really should have had the match of their Province counterparts last weekend.

The consensus we reached is that the Sharks pack (and in particular the tight five) is lacking in so-called “hard men” – those “enforcer” types who actively seek out physical confrontations with the opposition and don’t take a step back, ever. Being “hard” is a state of mind. It’s something that you either have, or you don’t – it’s also not the same thing as being big. Another conclusion that we came to is that a coach can’t really coach hardness. A player is either born hard and gets harder through exposure, or is born “less hard” (soft is not an appropriate word here) and stays that way throughout their career.

Ok – so just to point out the obvious fact that I realise there are so many blatant double entendres in the above paragraph (and in fact, in this article as a whole) that some folks may need to pause at this point to compose themselves. Ok, got that out of your system? Perverts! Now let’s continue…

Now, one of the key factors in building a strong pack is that you need to have a good combination – or the right balance – between the enforcers and the other guys, the piano lifters and the piano players. There’s a vital tipping point, though and a coach need to get this just right. Too many hard guys and the pack becomes slow, overly aggressive and lacks skill. In short, you end up with a team of hot heads more interested in fighting than playing the game. Hard men feed off each other, you see – each time one makes a big hit, the others grow in confidence and get stronger. It’s for exactly this reason that you can’t pick “just one” enforcer in a pack and expect that you’re going to be ok. You need to have at least four, but more like 5 or 6 truly hard men in any pack.

Province, needless to say, have struggled in recent times, but the addition of Tiaan Liebenberg, Chris Jack and Anton van Zyl worked wonders for them on Saturday. Luke Watson himself, like it or not, is a pretty hard guy too, as is Pieter Louw. All of a sudden, their engine found its sweet spot and started to tick over.

The Sharks, in contract, have lost too many of theirs. John Smit, Beast Mtawarira, Bismarck du Plessis and Jean Deysel are the four real enforcers in the Sharks pack. Jannie du Plessis is fine when his brother is there, but not so effective on his own (a subject worthy of an entire other article!) Johann Muller and Steven Sykes are both in a pretty strange category, in that I don’t consider them all that hard themselves, but when they are surrounded by enough other “meanies”, they really come to the party. Put them together with Smittie, Beast and Bissie and you have a tight five that literally bristles with aggression and power. Add Deysel to the mix and suddenly, it doesn’t matter that you have two piano players in your back row. But not even that tight five can be effective if they’re trying to carry Jacques Botes, Keegan Daniel and Ryan Kankowski. We all saw that in the Super 14 countless times.

Deon Carstens, Craig Burden and especially Albert van den Berg are not hard men. They bring other things to the party, but physical domination of an opponent at all costs really isn’t their game. In a full-strength Sharks pack, they’re going to be the flair men, the super subs who add skill and pace once the donkey work has been done.

The bad news for the Sharks is that we now have only Steven Sykes left. We lost two of our hardest a few years ago, in BJ Botha and Johann Ackermann. One by one, the others have fallen to injury or Bok duty and the young Sykes now needs to really stand up and prove that, together with Deysel, he has what it takes to galvanise those around him. Skipper Badenhorst is another who can come to the party, while Nikolai Blignaut and Wiehahn Herbst will need to stake their claims and embrace the mantle of true “hardness”, or else forever be consigned to the ranks of the “could have beens”.

It’s a dirty game up front, that’s for sure.



125 Comments

  • Mmmmnnnnnn…..

  • Comment 1, posted at 15.07.09 14:02:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) : you agree? Or am I smoking my socks?

  • Comment 2, posted at 15.07.09 14:04:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : he’s having lunch. A cucumber sandwich :wink:

  • Comment 3, posted at 15.07.09 14:15:37 by Rahul Reply

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  • This conversation is difficult to explain, especially if you have not been in the position of a coach or a player in the tight 5.

    I know guys will think we are discussing or referring to the age-old SA vuilgat type of rugby we are branded with but this is not what it is about.

    You will be amazed to know and see how players feed of these brutes who engage in the hard physical stuff and it gives them a lot of confidence.

    Essentially, rugby is about collissions, those who win the collissions in the game will win the game, and the ‘hard men’ Rob refers to are those okes, they set the tone, and the rest of the team feeds off this and grows in confidence as each hit and clean comes in throughout the 80 minutes.

    Just think back to all the back patting from the Lions in the last test whenever they won the collissions against the Boks, and check how the momentum completely shifted to the Boks and the back patting for Beast in the 1st test when we dominated those collissions.

    It is a essential part of the game, and it starts with those okes numbered 1 to 5.

  • Comment 4, posted at 15.07.09 14:18:15 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 4) : that’s what I meant to say :) Succinct!

  • Comment 5, posted at 15.07.09 14:19:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 4) : so no tutu’s then? :lol:

  • Comment 6, posted at 15.07.09 14:23:58 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 6) :

    Spot on!

  • Comment 7, posted at 15.07.09 14:25:26 by Morné Reply
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  • Morne is PDiv :shock:

  • Comment 8, posted at 15.07.09 14:29:21 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 8) :

    :lol: That thought has crossed my mind…

    I believe controlled aggression is a skill that can be developed…

  • Comment 9, posted at 15.07.09 14:40:34 by blackshark Reply

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  • :oops: :oops: i think that I will go and post on another article rather.. :mrgreen:

    I agree…hard men are good to find…for our tight five! :lol:

  • Comment 10, posted at 15.07.09 14:42:02 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 9) :

    Just found an interesting article…on http://www.hawkplanners.com/newsletter_10.html

    …Controlled aggression is an attitude of mind that drives individual players and teams to set their opponents back on their heels. It’s an in-your-face attitude that is relentless and never lets up. It controls the speed of the game, ties up the defense and constantly attacks.

    Controlled aggression is all about taking control of every game and never letting the opponent come up for air. A team that allows itself to be intimidated or is hesitant cannot win against a more aggressive team. Defense must have the attitude that they will never allow themselves to be scored on. Offense is convinced that they will score on every possession.

    We hasten to point out the obvious. We are talking about older players here. Very young players should not be coached with a philosophy of controlled aggression. Players must be old enough to integrate this principle within an overall philosophy of fair play and good sportsmanship. This could be difficult for younger age groups to assimilate in a way that would be beneficial to character development.

    Caveat: Do Not Allow Aggression to Get Out of Control
    A team may have talented players but without controlled aggression they will not produce to their highest potential. The trick in winning through aggression is for the coach not to allow it to get out of control……. in other words, take the game to the edge but don’t fall off. Admittedly there is a fine line that separates the two. That fine line is exemplified in the saying that a team that isn’t drawing penalties won’t win. Well, maybe.
    This does not mean playing with the intention of drawing penalties which is a good definition of playing dirty. It means playing with full force where penalties may be called as a result of aggressive play. It’s up to the coach to maintain a level of control that exemplifies fair play at all times and under all circumstances.

    Controlled aggression is an attitude of mind that can be taught. Physical skills have their limitations but the mind plus motivation are powerful forces that can propel a player through his physical limitations to heights of excellence….

    What do you guys think?

  • Comment 11, posted at 15.07.09 14:57:23 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 10) :
    Well seeing that you have just left it wont help asking you to do an article on SA’s hard men team, like you did with the hotties yesterday.

  • Comment 12, posted at 15.07.09 15:06:41 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 11) :

    Agree with pretty much all of it.

    But I need to make a distinction on the agression or agressors we talk about, and the ability to coach that, and the ability to coach control over already agressive players.

    I think you get two distinct type of players, the aggressors and the guys that feed of them – or as Rob put it, the piano pushers and piano players.

    You can temper the attitude and temper of the piano pusher through coaching and control mechanisms, but you cannot make a piano player a piano pusher.

    So I agree with you that you can coach a player to control his agression and operate within the parameters (read laws) of the game so aggression does not cost your team, but benefits it.

    But some players just live for that contact, aggression and collisions, and others not. You need the balance as the article above you posted mentions, but you cannot coach attitude into a player or change his attitude towards the game. You can refine it and that makes a good coach.

  • Comment 13, posted at 15.07.09 15:09:55 by Morné Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 11) : spot on… exactly right. But the point here is that you need to have the correct “base level” of aggression or competitiveness or hardness or whatever it is in your pack before you can apply these techniques.

  • Comment 14, posted at 15.07.09 15:14:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 13) :

    I think it’s all in the mind – and the mind can be altered…both ways.

    Some guys will definitely have it more than others…no doubt about that…

  • Comment 15, posted at 15.07.09 15:14:24 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 12) :

    I am still lurking in the shadows.. :wink: :lol:

  • Comment 16, posted at 15.07.09 15:18:02 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 15) :

    I have this debate with Brand all the time, he is a mind jockey.

    The human mind is a fascinating thing, but I do not believe you can alter a person’s personality or character trait after a certain period and time.

    You can influence perceptions but the core character traits will remain the same, i.e. his or her instinctive reactions.

    You can coach the concious, you will find it tough to convince me that you can do the same with the sub-concious.

  • Comment 17, posted at 15.07.09 15:18:22 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Sorry, got busy…..I actually agree fully about what you said..these ‘hard men’ also built a reputation(which can sometimes backfire ala Bakkies)so even just their presence on the field can be an advantage even if they themselves aren’t having the best of days.

  • Comment 18, posted at 15.07.09 15:20:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 12) :

    I can say that LEM would defnitely be in that team!

  • Comment 19, posted at 15.07.09 15:23:35 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 19) :

    What is Lem’s most famous quote to a coach?

    Came about where game plans was discussed etc.

    Apparently, according to legend Lem piped up and asked the coach:

    “Kan ons nie net maar die kak uit hulle uit teckle nie?”

    That is the type of oke I am referring to.

  • Comment 20, posted at 15.07.09 15:25:30 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 18) : exactly.

  • Comment 21, posted at 15.07.09 15:26:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 20) : I never forget Lem tackling Shaun Fitzparick in a Super 10/12 match….tackled him front on, picked him up and carried him back maybe 4 meters and dumped his ass.

  • Comment 22, posted at 15.07.09 15:30:34 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 20) : and he was such a quiet guy!

  • Comment 23, posted at 15.07.09 15:32:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 20) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    I am glad that I am actually understanding the crux of the artivle correctly then!! :wink:

    I think he did tackle the k@k out of a lot of people in his time!! Solid, Hard Boerseun that one!

  • Comment 24, posted at 15.07.09 15:34:20 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 19) : A real man no doubt, even delivered his own child at a service station on the way to the hospital, if memory serves me correctly.

  • Comment 25, posted at 15.07.09 15:35:18 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 25) : correct, according to what I’ve heard

  • Comment 26, posted at 15.07.09 15:42:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 25) :

    I am sure he has delivered a few cows and sheep as well in his lifetime – so that must have been easy peasy!! :lol:

    So have I, but I dont think I’ll atttempt delivering my own!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.07.09 15:44:44 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • My ex landylady delivered 2 cows while I stayed on the farm! Thats probably why I left…. brutal

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.07.09 15:48:25 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 28) :

    All I ever wanted to be in life was an actress and a vet…the firts I practise everyday the latter, I did my bit in delivering babies, fixing up skaap hoefies which was torn off and things like that – nowadays I only get to practise my vetenarian skills when my hubby is ill!! :-)

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.07.09 15:53:23 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 29) : 15 july – husband bashing day :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 15.07.09 15:56:53 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 29) : Dr Quin!!! then you could be both. I bet you loved that show :wink:

  • Comment 31, posted at 15.07.09 16:08:43 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 31) :

    HaHA!! Never watched it , I am afraid!!

    @Rahul (Comment 30) :

    Nooit – hy sal my die pakslae van my lewe gee as hy daaropstaan!! That’s when he regains sight out of his eyes!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 15.07.09 16:12:37 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 32) : :lol:

  • Comment 33, posted at 15.07.09 16:19:13 by Rahul Reply

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  • Brilliant article Rob. And yet one wonders why the media in SA employ talentless writers when we have so many good ones on this site.

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.07.09 19:45:27 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 34) : Tooooooo right!!

  • Comment 35, posted at 15.07.09 23:19:33 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • Intersting article Rob, it reminded me of a conversation I had with a Kiwi and he said that the All Blacks hated playing rugby against us just because of our sheer physicality, he said he had read an article somewhere where the Boks and Kiwis where together for a Barbarians match and the all Black asked AJ Venter,why we play rugby with such hatred for our opposition, he said we were always “Angry”, we did not seem to play the game for the joy of it, but rather to hurt the opposition. It would be an interesting exercise to come up with a list of our meanest hard men over the years. Moaner van Heerden is still the meanest for me, followed by Louis Moolman, Piston van Wyk was a baddie, hooker for Natal back in 76, Domkrag Erasmus from EP, were all the epitome of the type of hard men you are talking about, I know most of you will never have heard of these guys as you were not even born yet!! Johan Ackerman is probably the closest I can think of of our modern players but we definitely don’t have the legends that we used to produce, probably because “vuil spel” is not as much a part of the game as it used to be. My brother in Law played rugby for Zim and they came up against Transvaal and he was playing against Kevin de Klerk, who told him at the first line out that his ball was his ball and he had better not touch it anyway he tried and was flattened in the next line out and from then on agreed that it was in fact Kevin’s ball

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.07.09 07:46:40 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 36) : reminds me of the ‘welcome to Planet Marco’ story :-)

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.07.09 07:52:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 36) :

    Mark Andrews, Keith Andrews, Lem.

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.07.09 07:58:57 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 38) : john Allen, Drikus Hattingh, Adri Geldenhuys

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.07.09 08:11:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • Eddie Andrews :???:

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.07.09 08:11:15 by wpw Reply
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  • Talk about hard men anyone know whats up with Waylon Murray?!!!!

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  • @wpw (Comment 40) :

    Quinton Davids!!!

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.07.09 08:13:25 by Morné Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 41) :

    Should start next week.

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.07.09 08:14:16 by Morné Reply
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  • What was Moaner’s little brothers name, played for the Sharks and got banned for biting they guy in Aus?

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.07.09 08:15:48 by Whindy Reply
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  • Wicus

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  • @Morne(comment41)
    thanks for the info

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.07.09 08:18:00 by Fattmann Reply
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  • Rob, seems Plum agrees with you…

    From rugby365; Plum looking for body movers…

    “It is going to be very important that we defend well,” he said, adding: “It will also be very important that we stick to our structures – in key areas like the scrum and the breakdown – because we have lost our bigger guys, like our Mullers and Beasts.

    “Those were our big body movers.

    “It is going to be interesting to see how it all pans out for us, but it is something the players understand – that they have the responsibility and just have to get out there and do their best.”

  • Comment 47, posted at 16.07.09 08:24:46 by Morné Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 45) : No that was his son, this guy played flank much in the Wahl Bartman mode, who was another legendary hard man

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.07.09 08:29:19 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 42) :

    He was hard wasn’t he??

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.07.09 08:29:38 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : Adri Geldenhuys was a hard, dirty bugger.

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.07.09 08:32:34 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 49) :

    As a rock!

  • Comment 51, posted at 16.07.09 08:37:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 48) :
    I think Fatman is right, Wikus van Heerden played for the Sharks in the ninties, black curly hair, flank and was banned for muncing someones ear in a S12 game. Did not play again.

  • Comment 52, posted at 16.07.09 09:10:29 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • ninties = nineties

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  • @Whindy (Comment 48) : @Salmonoid (Comment 52) :

    Correct… Wikus was the Shark, Wicus was the Lion/Bull now with Sarries. Wikus is Wicus’s uncle.

    Note to the Afrikaans guys out there: You need more names! :)

  • Comment 54, posted at 16.07.09 09:13:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • Was Kobus Wiese a hard man?
    I watched an old video with him in a Currie Cup final, he did sweet f-all except plod from scrum to scrum looking for someone to trample and rake. Funny thing is that in those days it was hardly noticed, but watching it now it is so blatant because it is such a no no.

  • Comment 55, posted at 16.07.09 09:15:26 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 52) : in fact, it wasn’t for munching an ear.

    Waratahs prop Richard Harry had his arm around Wikus’s neck at the bottom of a ruck and was actually strangling him. In sheer desperation, Wikus bit him on the arm to force him to let go. He was wearing a gumguard at the time and there wasn’t even a mark on Harry, but the Aussies took much pleasure in banning him for 18 months. It ended his career.

    A travesty of justice if ever there was one.

  • Comment 56, posted at 16.07.09 09:16:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • An unsung HARD man of Sharks rugby was Steve Atherton. Yeah Sharks could do with a Mark Andrews / Steve Atherton combination in their pack.

  • Comment 57, posted at 16.07.09 09:19:23 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 55) : I was pondering that exact point yesterday. I think Wieses was big, so he got away with not being all that hard.

    Vleis Visagie was the same. A massive man, but tame as a kitten.

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  • @Whindy (Comment 36) : That last bit is quality comedy my friend.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) :
    Thats right, it was a prop that ate the guys ear, and Mike Tyson.

  • Comment 60, posted at 16.07.09 09:24:41 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • happy happy to Ollie :razz: :!:

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  • @robdylan (Comment 54) : Thanks Rob and apolagies to Fatman you were correct.must be a family name :lol:

  • Comment 62, posted at 16.07.09 09:25:41 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 60) : No the brother was had for eating as well!!

  • Comment 63, posted at 16.07.09 09:26:40 by Whindy Reply
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  • Schalk Burger Snr

  • Comment 64, posted at 16.07.09 09:27:29 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • Anyone remember Lood Muller, pound for pound one of the strongest guys around.

  • Comment 65, posted at 16.07.09 09:30:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 64) : he was a hard SOB, together with George Rautenbach in the filthiest provincial team ever EP. He passed his lovely nature onto Schalk jnr

  • Comment 66, posted at 16.07.09 09:31:21 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 63) :
    The brother of who? Moaner?
    Who was the Bok prop that munched an ear, Johan ?????? I think?

  • Comment 67, posted at 16.07.09 09:33:08 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • The late Tommie Loubser!!

  • Comment 68, posted at 16.07.09 09:38:17 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 67) : Johan le Roux

    @Salmonoid (Comment 65) : I remember him. Played against NZ and Aus in the 92 tests, then was mysteriously dropped and never played again

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  • @wpw (Comment 68) : overrated

  • Comment 70, posted at 16.07.09 09:39:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) :
    Thats him,
    “Johan le Roux, a Springbok prop of notorious reputation, was suspended for 19 months in 1994 after biting Sean Fitzpatrick, the New Zealand captain, on the ear. Le Roux’s record-breaking sentence was reduced on appeal.”

  • Comment 71, posted at 16.07.09 09:41:53 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 68) : didn’t realise he had passed on, he was a hellof a scrummer but that was about all he did very seldom tackled anybody.

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 71) : Fitzpatrick also admitted later that he had overplayed the situation and was sorry that Joahan had received such a heavy sentence.

  • Comment 73, posted at 16.07.09 09:46:04 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 72) :

    Heinke VD Merwe is a clone of him then!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 74, posted at 16.07.09 09:47:08 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 71) : he was a serial biter. They should have banned him for life.

    I remember him biting Andy Blakeway on the cheek in a Currie Cup game

  • Comment 75, posted at 16.07.09 09:48:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 74) : Agree, but he does make a difference in the Lions pack, not sure what happens between the ears though :mrgreen:

  • Comment 76, posted at 16.07.09 09:48:37 by Whindy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) : Maybe he was hungry :lol:

  • Comment 77, posted at 16.07.09 09:49:52 by Whindy Reply
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  • Was Bullet a “Hard Man”??

  • Comment 78, posted at 16.07.09 09:54:34 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • ROB – just so I get this right (as Ihave already lost my lifeline in the FL) – do we get 2 lifelines this time round? (as we play each other twice?) :?:

  • Comment 79, posted at 16.07.09 09:56:14 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 78) : He thought so, and he was a brawler but I dont think he was big enough to impose himself and make that much of a difference.

  • Comment 80, posted at 16.07.09 09:57:30 by Whindy Reply
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  • Tiaan Straaus

  • Comment 81, posted at 16.07.09 10:08:20 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 79) : no – only one.

  • Comment 82, posted at 16.07.09 10:11:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) :

    Geez you bad man!! :evil: :wink:

  • Comment 83, posted at 16.07.09 10:14:20 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) :

    Then how does it work if we have say 7 picks, but 14 games?? :?:

  • Comment 84, posted at 16.07.09 10:15:09 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 81) : Kalahari kid. I mean the oke used to tackle springboks(as in the antelope) in the holidays to make money, very tough customer who had the misfortune to come up against the Transvaal mafia, of luyt, Christie and Pienaar. No way Robbie Brink was a better player than him should definately have been in the world cup Squad!!

  • Comment 85, posted at 16.07.09 10:15:51 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 85) : The springbok tackling stories are a trip, whp does that!!

  • Comment 86, posted at 16.07.09 10:19:00 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 86) : a poor student, remember that was before professionalism

  • Comment 87, posted at 16.07.09 10:23:27 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Comment 84) : you get to pick each team twice. So actually, you have two teams that you don’t need to pick at all… since there are 16 “choices” and only 14 rounds

  • Comment 88, posted at 16.07.09 10:27:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) :

    Okay!!

  • Comment 89, posted at 16.07.09 10:35:51 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) : once one learns how to play the thing its get more complicated :mrgreen:

  • Comment 90, posted at 16.07.09 10:52:39 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 90) : I’m still trying to figure out how to play it! :)

  • Comment 91, posted at 16.07.09 10:56:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • 1. Are you doing TriNations FL for JustRugby Rob?

    2. Is there a Sharksworld SB pool for the TriNations?

  • Comment 92, posted at 16.07.09 10:59:51 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 92) : 1) hell no. The competition is just too short to make it worthwhile.

    2) Yes… I posted the pool code on the other thread…

  • Comment 93, posted at 16.07.09 11:15:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • pepsirks

  • Comment 94, posted at 16.07.09 11:18:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) : papsaks? :shock:

  • Comment 95, posted at 16.07.09 11:24:10 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 95) : make mine a double!

  • Comment 96, posted at 16.07.09 12:30:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) :
    Shot…

  • Comment 97, posted at 16.07.09 14:03:11 by blackshark Reply

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  • How about Uli Schmidt….it was rumoured that the softest part of his body was his teeth….

  • Comment 98, posted at 16.07.09 15:39:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 98) : nice :)

  • Comment 99, posted at 16.07.09 15:48:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 98) : :lol:

  • Comment 100, posted at 16.07.09 16:08:27 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Gert Smal

  • Comment 101, posted at 16.07.09 16:11:42 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 99) : @Salmonoid (Comment 100) : Remember how Uli ended Tony Watson’s career with his knee. They both went for a high ball and Uli jumped up and Tony jumped forward staight into Uli’s knee. I remember watching the game and I honestly thought Watson was dead. I think he broke just about every bone in his face and never played rugby again.

  • Comment 102, posted at 16.07.09 16:20:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 102) : Ksa and myself watched that at KP. Uli lifted his knees cause he’d been tackled once too often by TW. He had a habit of hanging out on the wing and picking on ‘smaller’ wings… until he met Mr Watson! He had a few fisticuffs after TW flattened him.

  • Comment 103, posted at 16.07.09 16:24:40 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 103) : Tony Watson was a legend….one of the greatest rugby moments was when Tony Watson ran around Theo van Rensburg in the 1989 CC final to score that try.Beautifull memories

  • Comment 104, posted at 16.07.09 16:27:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 104) : You are seriously old! :razz:

    The 14 point try…. followed by penalty on halfway

  • Comment 105, posted at 16.07.09 16:34:10 by Rahul Reply

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  • like two old men on the stoep… :)

  • Comment 106, posted at 16.07.09 16:43:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 106) : WOOOHOOOO Rob, I’m in from work. Good job hacker. :wink:

    Thanks, works well, a little slow and some error messages I have to clear, but very close to full functionality with the site. Thanks!!

  • Comment 107, posted at 16.07.09 16:53:41 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • im clueless about these stories, i havent watched any rugby except, 1995 WC, 2003 WC, and a bit of 2005 S12, since then ive been a regular viewer

  • Comment 108, posted at 16.07.09 16:56:08 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 102) : I remember that, it was sickening. Wasnt it in a CC final? Uli still had some crap comment to say about it afterwards.

  • Comment 109, posted at 16.07.09 17:11:23 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 104) :
    The special moment of Natal rugby, and at Loftus nogal.

  • Comment 110, posted at 16.07.09 17:13:10 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 107) : another satisfied customer. I feel completely justified, because it’s Websense’s own fault for misclassifying us

  • Comment 111, posted at 16.07.09 17:15:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 104) : i was only 10 back then, in my 2nd year of playing rugby.

  • Comment 112, posted at 16.07.09 17:15:54 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 112) : hey – i was only 13 :)

  • Comment 113, posted at 16.07.09 17:35:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @pokkel (Comment 104) it was Gibrand Grobler that watson ran around it was in 1990 it dates me but i was there and at the tikker tape parade in DBN those were the days

  • Comment 114, posted at 16.07.09 20:01:34 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 114) : Fattie, you know that you can just click the little grey arrow? You don’t need to type in the @whatever bit yourself :)

  • Comment 115, posted at 16.07.09 22:07:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 104) : @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 112) : @robdylan (Comment 113) :

    Youngsters!! I was in my firts year Varsity!! (But younger than normal firts years, may I add) :wink:

    Thinking of it – I am still a hell of a lot younger than most people my age!! :lol:

  • Comment 116, posted at 17.07.09 07:56:32 by Prof. Ice Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 105) : I was 15 years old,but I’ll never forget the first time Natal were CC champions. It was a huge, because Natal only started playing A division about a year or two before that….I stand corrected…..and that was when Naas famously said that it would take another 100 years before Natal win a CC again….and we went on to win it 3 time again during the 90′s

  • Comment 117, posted at 17.07.09 08:22:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 115) : Are you sure, I saw a repeat of the game a year or so ago and I was sure it was a young Theo van Rensburg, before he moved to the Transvaal?
    @robdylan (Comment 115) : Can you help with this?? I can’t seem to get the team sheets for the 1990 CC Final

  • Comment 118, posted at 17.07.09 08:54:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 118) :
    Im not sure who it was he skinned, but seem to remember that it was Gerbrand Grobler that fell on him after he scored the try.

  • Comment 119, posted at 17.07.09 08:59:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 118) : KSA posted it somewhere… I’ll go look

  • Comment 120, posted at 17.07.09 09:14:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 118) : Go read the comments to this thread:

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2008/02/25/remembering-the-titans/

    My dad wrote the article :)

  • Comment 121, posted at 17.07.09 09:30:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 121) : Thanks Rob. I remember Gerbrand Grobler jumping on him…..but I’m sure Tony Watson ran around Theo v Rensburg from a near standing start to score the try…

  • Comment 122, posted at 17.07.09 09:48:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 121) : Jeez just ran into a name of another hard bugger on that thread….Andrew Aitken..

  • Comment 123, posted at 17.07.09 09:53:37 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 123) : he was hard, oh yes!

  • Comment 124, posted at 17.07.09 10:10:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 118) : http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2008/10/09/tony-watson-backs-this-sharks-team/

  • Comment 125, posted at 17.07.09 12:21:24 by Rahul Reply

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