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It’s WP’s to lose


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Bulls, Currie Cup, Original Content, WP on 17 Jul 2009 at 11:31

Suddenly there is a bit of excitement again surrounding the traditional North/South derby between the Bulls and WP.

It is just a damn pity it is generated because the Bulls are playing youth development side while WP barring a couple of losses to the Boks is fielding one of their strongest teams in years…

But that’s rugby for you, elements will always influence team and team selections but in the end, only the results matter.

WP travel to Pretoria as favourites for two very simple reasons. Their win over the current Champs the Sharks last weekend, and because they field a rather settled and experienced team going up against a team who selected 7 debutants last week!

It is really there for WP to lose, and some serious questions will have to be asked if they manage to lose this one.

Their front row, aided by some grunt in the lock department is finally starting to look the part. The tight 5 in general is boosted by the 60-odd NZ capped veteran in Chris Jack and in Luke Watson they have a player and captain in great form at the moment.

Duvenhage, De Waal and Grant combined in the latter stages of the Super 14 already and achieved some success. And in Newman, an Emerging Bok, the Fijian and the hard ex-Bulls man Welsh they have experience, pace and grunt. The only real weakness is at 15 where Aplon will come in for the injured Joe Pietersen but even Aplon is an accomplished Sevens player and has been in the WP system for a good couple of years now.

Compared to the Bulls who is only really boosted by the return of Guthro in the front row and Olivier at inside center and you would be hard pressed to give this one to the men from Loftus even if they are playing at home.

The biggest concern for the Bulls is combinations. Tiger has come in for the injured Kirchner and they have a very young scrumhalf playing at wing. In addition to this they have a age-group level player covering the important role of 10 for this match and an even more inexperienced player in JC Roos covering him off the bench.

You would also have to concede that the WP loosies have one over the combination of Dries van Schalkwyk, Potgieter and Jacques Burger.

WP also takes the lock battle on paper with Chris Jack for WP up against the young Steenkamp and Flip van der Merwe.

The front row is very even possibly just tipped in the Bulls favour with Guthro’s inclusion but not by much.

The most dangerous combinations the Bulls would have to look out for is the dual kicking threat of De Waal and Grant at 10 and 12, and the much improved loosie combo of Louw, Myburgh and Watson.

WP for the first time in a very long time should achieve parity in the engine room, and perhaps even dominate but that is almost unheard of when you talk about any Bulls team.

Scrums, line-outs, rucks and the kicking game is tipped for the visitors to control and dominate, which should give them the game by a tough, but comfortable 8 to 12 points.

The only thing left to consider, is whether they will be able to overcome the Loftus hoodoo, a place where they last won in 2006…

Teams:

Blue Bulls: Tiger Mangweni; Gerhard van den Heever, Jaco Pretorius, Wynand Olivier, Francois Hougaard; Francois Brummer, Heini Adams; Dries van Schalkwyk, Dewald Potgieter, Jacques Burger; Wilhelm Steenkamp, Flip van der Merwe, Werner Kruger, Derick Kuün (captain), Gurthrö Steenkamp.
Replacements: Bandise Maku, Frik Kirsten, Jaco Engels, Fudge Mabeta, Gerrit-Jan van Velze, JC Roos, Marius Delport.

Western Province: Gio Aplon; Frikkie Welsh, Morgan Newman, Peter Grant, Sireli Naqelevuki; Willem de Waal, Dewaldt Duvenage; Luke Watson (capt), Pieter Louw, Pieter Myburgh; Anton van Zyl, Chris Jack, Brock Harris, Tiaan Liebenberg and Wicus Blaauw.
Replacements: Hanyani Shimange, JD Moller, De Kock Steenkamp, Deon Fourie, Conrad Hoffmann, Juan de Jongh, Tonderai Chavhanga.



80 Comments

  • I agree… really hope WP can roll the Brutes. Even if the WP media will be completely insufferable as a result :)

  • Comment 1, posted at 17.07.09 11:41:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • Oh well, I really hope this prediction comes true. Rugby365 also predicts a WP win.

  • Comment 2, posted at 17.07.09 11:53:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • Morne
    You forgot to mention the inexperienced Brummer at flyhalf for the Brutes. I reckon we will take this one!

  • Comment 3, posted at 17.07.09 11:58:09 by wpw Reply
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  • For the sake of FL….. proooooooooooviiiiiiiince

  • Comment 4, posted at 17.07.09 11:58:47 by Rahul Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 3) : Is there a shortage of wings and flyhalves in the north?

  • Comment 5, posted at 17.07.09 11:59:48 by Rahul Reply

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  • What happend to Deon Stegmann? Is he injured?

  • Comment 6, posted at 17.07.09 12:02:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 2) : I’m a bit worried that the WP-media lot are a little overconfident

  • Comment 7, posted at 17.07.09 12:02:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 6) : he is.

    @wpw (Comment 3) : funny how Brummer is exactly the same age as Guy Cronjé yet somehow nobody points out the fact that he’s also a rookie. Is it because he’s done so much more at age-group level?

  • Comment 8, posted at 17.07.09 12:05:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : I also don’t understand… WP always has one good game a season, suddenly we can beat anyone. The Bulls at home is a another kettle of fish compared to a rain drenched sharks game. Anyone know the weather in loftus-ville tomorrow?

  • Comment 9, posted at 17.07.09 12:12:57 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 9) : They say its gonna be blue :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 17.07.09 12:24:45 by Rahul Reply

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  • oh, and Happy Birthday Rekinek, wherever you are!

  • Comment 11, posted at 17.07.09 12:26:43 by molly Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 10) : I’ve learnt to keep my expectations of WP/Stormers low, that way I avoid dissapointment and am pleasantly surprised if they actually win one.

  • Comment 12, posted at 17.07.09 12:27:48 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 11) : just here – writing a comment to your post 9 :mrgreen:
    thanx

    @molly (Comment 9) : it is painful to say but perhaps people do not realise how bad the sharks can be and win over them is not such a big thing.

    to my mind there is too much optimism from the Cape.

  • Comment 13, posted at 17.07.09 12:36:16 by rekinek Reply
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  • WHats that saying one swallow doesn’t make it summer….

    While a win would be immensely satisfying – i suspect a return to normal service from the light four and Chris Jack

  • Comment 14, posted at 17.07.09 12:38:45 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 13) : Hope you have a funktastic day!

    I agree it was an off day for the sharks, and the weather made it no real comparison for the rest of the comp, unless it buckets till the end.

  • Comment 15, posted at 17.07.09 12:39:26 by molly Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 13) :
    @molly (Comment 12) :
    Just came back for the pie shop and the pie man(not wpw) was also overconfident about WeePee and ‘concerned’ about Sharks depth!

  • Comment 16, posted at 17.07.09 12:52:27 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 16) : can pie man be trusted. :mrgreen:

    With Sharks I think it is not so much depth – which due to Plum’s S14 policy is mainly untested but rather lack of attacking plan.

    Truth be told – recently, at the beginning of every competition there is so much excitement about WP/S because they finish so nicely. But let’s see maybe this time they can deliver.

  • Comment 17, posted at 17.07.09 13:01:08 by rekinek Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 15) : we’ll see what present i will get from my team :roll:

  • Comment 18, posted at 17.07.09 13:04:23 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 17) : Happy Birthday, I hope you have a fantastic day.

    I know this is very cheeky, but for all those who wishes me( and Madiba) a happy birthday tomorrow..thanks very much…I won’t be near a computer tomorrow but I’ll check in on my cell every now and again.

  • Comment 19, posted at 17.07.09 13:08:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 17) : Not sure about the pie man,
    He is aware of the academy at Sharks, but has no clue about JMH?
    He’s a Shark-ek :lol:

  • Comment 20, posted at 17.07.09 13:10:02 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 19) : thanx. :razz:

    I am noting the thank you for the happy, happy that I will wish you tomorrow (cannot today – premature wishes apparently bring bad luck).

    @Rahul (Comment 20) : What’s JMH?

  • Comment 21, posted at 17.07.09 13:29:46 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 21) : Juan Martin Hernandez… you demoted back to ek

  • Comment 22, posted at 17.07.09 13:32:33 by Rahul Reply

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  • Its my wife’s b’day tomorrow which means I’m missing the WP vs Bulls game. :cry:

  • Comment 23, posted at 17.07.09 13:35:43 by wpw Reply
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  • think this might be a difficult game for wp, bulls have this habit of pulling through the big games, some call it bmt

  • Comment 24, posted at 17.07.09 13:36:25 by war1 Reply
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  • Sorry to disagree but the bulls will take this one by 15. 3 reasons
    home game wiser heads andthe grunt that province wish they had. Remember this rain and the wet is a great leveler cos it takes the better pack out of the game and thats what province had last week the better of the wet De Waal is a great kicking flyhalf and the sharks didnt have one.
    I suppose province can look at this part of the season and wish it ran for the full competition that way with the boks out they stand a chance of winning something!!!!!

  • Comment 25, posted at 17.07.09 13:36:59 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 23) : Tonilitis could come in handy then? :wink:

  • Comment 26, posted at 17.07.09 13:37:39 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 22) : Can’t we put it down to Friday,..or holidays … or blond – just this once :mrgreen:

    are you sure you included all his names :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 17.07.09 13:40:27 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 25) : Did you see the Bulls kicking last week? They substitued their no. 10 in the first half! the replacement wasn’t much better. WeePee will win teritorial battle tomorrow

  • Comment 28, posted at 17.07.09 13:42:24 by Rahul Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 27) : :lol: Think thats them all, just the kappie on the a in Hernandez…

    Its your birthday, I cant be mean :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 17.07.09 13:45:38 by Rahul Reply

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  • julle ouens… all blerrie mal.

    BULLE going to klap WP!

  • Comment 30, posted at 17.07.09 13:52:51 by Pienaar die Blou Bul Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 25) yes the bulls kicking was poor no not poor rubbish but do you think lightning strikes twice? Burton was still crocked either knee or groin cant remember kicking improved once brummer settled Burton is a bok in the making I reckon
    Province will catch a pakslae tomorrow mark my words

  • Comment 31, posted at 17.07.09 13:53:04 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 24) : but how much of this BMT comes from Matfield being present. Bulls lost plenty of guys to Springboks so it will not be an easy game for them but still I reckon they will take it.

  • Comment 32, posted at 17.07.09 13:54:49 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 29) : why is there an accent on the “a” anyway? In Spanish, the default is to put the stress on the second-last syllable anyway… so it would be pronounced Her-nan-dez even without any accent

  • Comment 33, posted at 17.07.09 14:00:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • true, im sure victor plays a big role, but i still think the bulls will be harder to beat than they “should be” on paper at least

  • Comment 34, posted at 17.07.09 14:00:22 by war1 Reply
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  • SNORK SNORK!!

  • Comment 35, posted at 17.07.09 14:00:50 by Pienaar die Blou Bul Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 32) : I think it might actually be a combo of Matters, Bakkies and Fourie du Preez together.

  • Comment 36, posted at 17.07.09 14:02:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : what about remains of the “heyneke factor”?

  • Comment 37, posted at 17.07.09 14:06:46 by war1 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : I was about to write to Fattman’s post that these wiser heads that usually see them through – Victor, Bakkies Fairy and even Habana are all with the Boks.

    Still – sorry, I do not think that WeePee is so good to beat the Bulls at home. We’ll see maybe they can prove me wrong.

  • Comment 38, posted at 17.07.09 14:12:37 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pienaar die Blou Bul (Comment 30) : A non biased opinion :razz:

    @Fattmann (Comment 31) : I dont see bulls fixing that problem overnight. WP have a good enough pack to contest, and put more between the poles (no offence Rekin)

  • Comment 39, posted at 17.07.09 14:13:22 by Rahul Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : dunno, cant really pronounce it any other way?! :???:

  • Comment 40, posted at 17.07.09 14:14:17 by Rahul Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 38) : Fairy? :lol:

  • Comment 41, posted at 17.07.09 14:16:15 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 41) : i personalised him :mrgreen:
    this is kinda what scrummy should be – but then again ricky too fa..(sorry big), rockott too cocky, pienaar too tall :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 17.07.09 14:20:28 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 39) : I sommer unbias you wiff my wheel spanner, ou!

  • Comment 43, posted at 17.07.09 14:23:27 by Pienaar die Blou Bul Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 39) : put one between the Poles? Did I ever tell you guys about my first girlfriend? :)

  • Comment 44, posted at 17.07.09 14:23:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 42) : :lol:
    @robdylan (Comment 44) : :lol:
    @Pienaar die Blou Bul (Comment 43) : I’ll deal wiff you on Monday! :wink:

  • Comment 45, posted at 17.07.09 14:28:28 by Rahul Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 42) : Ricky is too mechanical!

    And Rocket is just too plain selfish!

  • Comment 46, posted at 17.07.09 14:31:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • this is gonna come back and bite me right in the @$$ :roll:

  • Comment 47, posted at 17.07.09 14:34:47 by Rahul Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : Twins?

  • Comment 48, posted at 17.07.09 14:40:26 by Rahul Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : Do tell, was she one of those amazing Pretoria Poles.

  • Comment 49, posted at 17.07.09 14:42:10 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : I raise objection :!:

  • Comment 50, posted at 17.07.09 15:09:38 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : Rockott does not trust flyhalves too much – hehe. The sooner he starts the better chances to become a bok one day. Unless Ricky improves even Div won’t be able to keep him.

  • Comment 51, posted at 17.07.09 15:12:30 by rekinek Reply
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  • Australia are favourites to beat NZ tomorrow!!!
    @rekinek (Comment 51) : Rockott makes a good salad base… wiff cheese

  • Comment 52, posted at 17.07.09 15:17:29 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 49) : @rekinek (Comment 50) :

    Sorry Sammy… can’t say any more!

    But yes :)

  • Comment 53, posted at 17.07.09 15:53:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • Why did Tigger get his head stuck in the toilet?

    He was looking for Pooh.

  • Comment 54, posted at 17.07.09 15:59:08 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 54) : oh no – that was no good! :)

  • Comment 55, posted at 17.07.09 16:02:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 54) : :shock:

  • Comment 56, posted at 17.07.09 16:04:18 by war1 Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 54) : :lol:

  • Comment 57, posted at 17.07.09 16:04:56 by war1 Reply
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  • Nothing like a bit of toilet humour. :roll:

  • Comment 58, posted at 17.07.09 16:05:38 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 58) : Sharp, :cool:

  • Comment 59, posted at 17.07.09 16:21:24 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) :
    :cool:

  • Comment 60, posted at 17.07.09 16:23:10 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 60) : :D

  • Comment 61, posted at 17.07.09 16:34:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • “it’s WP’s to lose”

    And thats exactly what they did (imho). Prophetic title.

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.07.09 09:03:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 62) : completely and utterly. What a bunch of idiots

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.07.09 09:12:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) :

    :???: :???:

    Thank goodness I didn’t watch the game then!!! Was out spoiling the wife on her b’day. :roll:

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.07.09 09:18:04 by wpw Reply
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  • Some really poor decisions made by WP. Not going for kickable penalties with 15min or more still left to play. :evil:

    Frikkie & whoever was next to him’s decision to stop playing after knocking the ball was possibly a 14 point turn around. :evil:

    And the great Kallie Woekie. The less said about him the better. In fact the less I see of him in a WP jersey the better. :evil: :evil: :evil:

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.07.09 09:42:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 64) :
    Be brave, watch it and I guarantee you a warm fuzzy feeling when you see how Province destroy the Bulls at scrumtime. Of course this will also accentuate the feeling that it really was Provinces to lose.

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 66) : Wicus Blaauw, take a bow.

    I rated Werner Kruger quite highly before this game. Not anymore. What an utter demolition.

    amazing how a soft prop can look so much better with a decent lock behind him…

  • Comment 67, posted at 20.07.09 10:11:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) :

    I think Jack is making a HUGE difference as well as Tiaan Liebenberg at hooker instead of Schalk ‘Show Pony’ Brits.

    Who is Andries Bekker?? :mrgreen:

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  • @wpw (Comment 68) : Hey I thought you guys were taking Rose off our hands what is going on I was hoping he would be gone by now, I don’t think I can take too much more I am on the verge of putting out a hit on him and I will make sure they are closer than the Conti towers :lol:

  • Comment 69, posted at 20.07.09 11:14:51 by Whindy Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 68) : Andries Bekker is your new eighthman once Luke leaves…

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.07.09 11:15:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • “It is just a damn pity it is generated because the Bulls are playing youth development side while WP barring a couple of losses to the Boks is fielding one of their strongest teams in years…” – wellll…. the youth development side still beat Problems :grin:

  • Comment 71, posted at 20.07.09 11:31:43 by diablo Reply

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  • @diablo (Comment 71) :

    Glad to see you enjoyed it bru. :roll:

  • Comment 72, posted at 20.07.09 11:45:04 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw : WeePeeWee! howzit?

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.07.09 11:58:29 by Rahul Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 72) : Bloody WP they messed up my Superbru badly……Howzit Wes…I was upset with your team on Saturday…they really buthered that game :???:

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.07.09 12:03:12 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 73) : @Pokkel (Comment 74) :

    Howzit gents!!! :???:

    Now that our forwards are performing our backline decides to take the day off. :evil:

  • Comment 75, posted at 20.07.09 13:43:07 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 75) : at least your wife knows which weekend to have her birthday! :wink:

  • Comment 76, posted at 20.07.09 13:58:01 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 62) : and we thought it’s only Rob that jinxes :mrgreen:

  • Comment 77, posted at 20.07.09 14:02:08 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 69) : at least Lions won.

  • Comment 78, posted at 20.07.09 14:03:44 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 77) :
    And he is a Province supporter too.

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.07.09 15:54:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 79) : sorry… I promise that’s the last time I’ll support Province this season. Ok, I lied. 2nd-last, unless they play the Bulls in a semi or the final.

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