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Time to salute John Smit


Written by Gavin Whindus (Whindy)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 30 Jul 2009 at 07:54
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John Smit will tomorrow become the most capped test captain ever and like a lot of his Springbok predecessors he has taken his fair share of flack, but I think its time we acknowledge, what he has achieved and also what he has brought to the Springbok table.

Often maligned by the average South African rugby supporters of not being worthy of his place , especially the Blue Bulls who reckoned that Gary Botha was better than him, he has gone on to achieve all that there is to achieve in Rugby, he was largely responsible for always restoring calm and focus to the Springbok’s when it was needed in both the world cup and against the British Lions and it was only when he was out with injury that we started to realise what a great leader he actually is.

I believe we, as South African’s, forget to hail or recognize our heroes and in John Smit we have a player who will go on to be remembered as one of the games greats, but it remains to be seen if he will acknowledge that fact. The All Blacks have, the Aussies have and the British Lions have, but here at home he still has his detractors. Anyway I think he is one of our all time greats and will still set a lot of records, which may never be broken.

Well done John Smit

John Smit fact file

Full name: John William Smit

Date of Birth: 03 April 1978

School: Pretoria Boys High

University: University of Natal (Briefly)

Clubs: Clermont

Provincial Sides: Natal Sharks 81 caps

National team: South Africa 85 caps (59 as captain)

Of the 59 games he has captained the side, he has won 42 with a 71% win ratio.

Statistic courtesy of Springbok hall of fame and Wikipidea (and subject to correction)



106 Comments

  • Gary Botha dude. Etienne was the center who never used to pass!! :smile:

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.07.09 08:09:20 by wpw Reply
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  • Hai Hai CAPTAIN!!

    Is it me or has MOST of the Great leaders come for the Sharks??

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.07.09 08:09:44 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • Well done to Smitty!!

    The greatest Bok captain of all time!!! :cool:

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.07.09 08:10:35 by wpw Reply
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  • Sorry Wes you are quite right, never was much of a blue Bull fan. Don’t know my Botha from my Botha’s :oops:

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.07.09 08:13:14 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 2) : Prof Ice they have produced some good ones, Gary Teich, Tommy Bedford, Wynand Claasen,not sure you can claim him, he was born and bred in Pretoria, but had to move to Natal to get selected, so we will go with him

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.07.09 08:17:22 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 2) :

    Greatest Bok captains:

    1. Smit
    2. Krige
    3. Joost
    4. Vos

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.07.09 08:19:44 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : Krige was from Province, Vos was first EP, then Vaal, Joost Bulls

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.07.09 08:21:39 by Whindy Reply
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  • Go Jonno!

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.07.09 08:23:10 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 7) :

    Kyk weer!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.07.09 08:25:58 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 9) : Sorry Wes, How can you possibly rate Krige or Joost as capatains, they have the kakest records and were not very inspirational, Krige still stabbed poor old Andre Vos in the back and undermined his captaincy, plus he captained the boks during some of its blackest history, not entirely his fault granted. I am no Krige fan as you may have noticed. Joost did take over a flagging ship under Mallet so maybe he can be excused, but not great, Teich was a great captain as well

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.07.09 08:35:29 by Whindy Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) :

    Morne du Plessis
    Francois Pienaar

    My list:

    Smit
    Du Plessis
    Teichman
    Pienaar

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.07.09 08:43:14 by Morné Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 10) :

    Joost’s record as Bok captain: 10 tests, 8 wins :roll:

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.07.09 08:43:35 by wpw Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 10) : Joost is a __________

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.07.09 08:44:40 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 13) :

    Ooh, can I play??

    Joost is a security guard!!

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.07.09 08:48:23 by wpw Reply
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  • Nice piece Whindy.
    On Smits recognition by South Africans, I think that has already happened, even if it is only shown by guarded silence by those that previously tore him (and JW, for selecting him) to pieces. Those will also only really concede that he is a great captain but will always question his playing ability. Sad.

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.07.09 08:50:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.07.09 08:51:40 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • Captain Tests Wins Win %
    Hennie Muller 9 8 88
    Phil Nel 8 7 87
    Morné du Plessis 15 13 86
    Joost 10 8 80
    Billy Millar 5 4 80
    Bennie Osler 5 4 80
    Gary Teichman 36 26 72
    John Smit 59 42 71
    Wynand Claassen 7 5 71
    Johan Claassen 9 6 66
    Francois Pienaar 29 19 65
    Victor Matfield 10 6 60
    Basie Viviers 5 3 60
    Dawie de Villiers 22 13 59
    André Vos 16 9 56
    Hannes Marais 11 6 54
    Bobby Skinstad 12 6 50
    Avril Malan 10 5 50
    Naas Botha 9 4 44
    Corné Krige 18 7 38

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.07.09 08:57:49 by wpw Reply
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  • 3kms in 13:41 people.

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.07.09 08:58:22 by klempie Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 5) : So was JS. :???:

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.07.09 08:59:35 by klempie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : Dont know the “Vos” but Krige will never be able to redeem himself after Twickernam (sp?)and was Joost was an awfull a captain (almost as bad at commentating) – all I remember from him was him yelling at the guys all the time. He was never my favourite though.
    Not sure how you can leave Teichmann, and Pienaar out of the top 3 though.

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.07.09 09:04:23 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 11) : I started getting into this on Voldy yesterday. What did Morné du Plessis do that was so great? Try to ignore the fact that you were named after him :)

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.07.09 09:06:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : I know you rate Krige almost as much as I do :)

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.07.09 09:06:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 18) : I start running on Saturday morning

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.07.09 09:09:21 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 20) :

    Look, I was taking the piss. :roll:

    Joost is a tool and Krige is an even bigger one.

    He showed zero leadership at Kamp Staaldraad when the players needed him to take a stand on their behalf.

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.07.09 09:11:25 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) :

    True. He is not one of my favourites.

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.07.09 09:12:53 by wpw Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 23) :

    I’m starting on Monday!! :roll:

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.07.09 09:13:22 by wpw Reply
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  • Wynand Claasen, 2 losses under undoubtedly the harshest conditions that a rugby test (or any international sport) could be played, -not bad.

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.07.09 09:13:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Long live the King!

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.07.09 09:17:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 24) : :oops: ..sorry – that’s what getting up at 5am in the middle of winter to go to gym does to you – robs you of a sense of humour. Sigh…need more caffiene!

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.07.09 09:19:47 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : For a start he put in a great, some might argue late :wink: , tackle on Naas. :evil:

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.07.09 09:20:02 by McLovin Reply

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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 13) : :mrgreen: @robdylan (Comment 21) : Rob I think Morne was a great leader at the time remembering his history and where he came from, ie his dad stood up to the dreaded Broederbond and he never played again and then his verligte politics were not favoured by those who ruled Bok rugby at the time. I am not totally sure of my facts so I won’t quote anything but I think it was more inspirational than statistics as a captain, that made him great!!

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.07.09 09:20:22 by Whindy Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : Krige ? WTF? I lost all respect for the dude !

    JS FTW!

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  • @McLovin (Comment 30) : wrong smiley. should be :twisted:

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.07.09 09:21:25 by McLovin Reply

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  • I believe Morné du Plessis is much like many great leaders such as Smit etc in that he’s not only a good leader on the field but also a quality human being off it.

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.07.09 09:23:40 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 34) : +1000

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.07.09 09:26:08 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • John Smit..great captain..great man..and just about the only person in SA Rugby (leadership) that I haven’t been embarrased by :roll:

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.07.09 09:28:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Hey Rob can we come and camp on your lawn in 2015, you must be chuffed!!

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.07.09 09:29:15 by Whindy Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 34) : +1001

  • Comment 38, posted at 30.07.09 09:33:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : excuse my ignorance but what the f#ck is Voldy

  • Comment 39, posted at 30.07.09 09:35:14 by Whindy Reply
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  • Seeing that Whindy brought up the fathers of Bok captains, I think I read somewhere that Wynand Claasens dad won the Comrades once upon a time.

  • Comment 40, posted at 30.07.09 09:35:31 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 31) : fair enough… I wasn’t old enough to see him play, but I think that the demands placed on a captain in the professional era are far harsher… thus I feel that Smit, Teichmann and Pienaar have all overshadowed du Plessis’ achievements. Might just be a case of backing the guys that I saw play, though.

  • Comment 41, posted at 30.07.09 09:36:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 39) :
    I think Rob should put up a link to Voldy, its being mentioned a lot around here these days.

  • Comment 42, posted at 30.07.09 09:37:29 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 32) :

    Please read all my comments on this thread or as Piet Vagien would say ‘on this threat’!! :lol:

  • Comment 43, posted at 30.07.09 09:41:29 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) :
    True, but on the other hand they are also captaining a team of professional players that have been honed and finetuned by coaches, analysists, psychologists, physios, medically, nutritionally, clothing etc, etc. Very few of these would have been available (or really deeemed necessary) to the players / captains of old.

  • Comment 44, posted at 30.07.09 09:44:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 42) : I sure there used to be a link to Voldy…Rob must have taken it off.

    @Whindy (Comment 39) : You not the only one…for weeks I was also wondering about this whole Voldy thing untill I asked and became part of the ‘inner circle’ :wink:

    I’ll leave it up to Rob to explain

  • Comment 45, posted at 30.07.09 09:44:42 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 36) : So true Pokkel, which to my mind makes him our greatest captain ever, Teich never let us down either though, only Mallet,twat!!

  • Comment 46, posted at 30.07.09 09:47:46 by Whindy Reply
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  • Hey guys…

    All hail John Smit !

    Great captain – gentleman and a true warrior…all in one package.

    Let’s finish the All Blacks…BOKKE!!!

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 45) : I also thought there was, but under the other name. Its not there now. The list of links seems a lot shorter, but then again Im not really sure.

  • Comment 48, posted at 30.07.09 09:48:54 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 37) : sure thing… bring a waterproof tent :)

    @Whindy (Comment 39) : Voldy is Keo

  • Comment 49, posted at 30.07.09 09:51:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • Just checked Durban weather for Saturday. 60% chance of rain up to 50mm. Damn :cry:

  • Comment 50, posted at 30.07.09 09:52:59 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 47) :

    It lives!!! :shock:

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  • ok…

    So, it all started over on Reitzworld… The idea was that Keo was the name that you weren’t supposed to mention. Folks would refer to it as “the three-letter site”. I came up with the name Voldy because in the Harry Potter books, “Voldemort” is the name you’re not supposed to say out loud. Keo being a diminutive person, we changed it to “Voldemortlet” which was naturally shortened to just “Voldy”.

    I had a link, which I removed because apparently the number of outbound links you have decreases your value to advertisers. Or something.

    I’m sure you all know how to find it! :)

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 50) :

    It might count in our favour!!

    Morne is a kicking flyhalf, not?? :wink:

  • Comment 53, posted at 30.07.09 09:55:37 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 50) : 50mm, hope they have organised lifeguards. Could be another WC semi scenario.

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  • OKay – so I am new to this “voldy” reference….thanks for the heads up on it being Keo. I was about to google “voldy”. Is it short for Voldermordt? as in the Harry Potter prince of darkness?

  • Comment 55, posted at 30.07.09 10:05:53 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • Okay – asked and answered..its seems I might be slow but not stupid at least….

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 56) : thank heavens for that, then! :)

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  • :razz:

  • Comment 58, posted at 30.07.09 10:13:54 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 51) :

    Yep – I feel alive now. :smile:

    I was about to send this to my boss:

    Dear Boss

    If you have anything to do with the loss of my internet connection, because you think that’s going to increase my productivity – please have it reconnected because using the mobile web takes up more of the valuable company time.

    Your hard-working employee.

    But as it turned out- it was a Telkom problem…

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  • @blackshark (Comment 59) : :lol: :lol:

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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : Next question, what are Reitzworld :mrgreen:

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  • @blackshark (Comment 59) : Great stuff :lol:

  • Comment 62, posted at 30.07.09 10:39:07 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 61) :

    smart ass!! :twisted:

  • Comment 63, posted at 30.07.09 10:45:46 by wpw Reply
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  • this is a really great achievement, sadly i think south african rugby fans and even more so sharks fans take him for granted, we will REALLY miss him when he is gone

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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 23) : @wpw (Comment 63) : :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 65, posted at 30.07.09 13:30:29 by klempie Reply

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  • Hey I’m in Durbs this weekend. But for a wedding. :sad: The clown has organised it on a Trinations day. :evil:

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  • @klempie (Comment 66) : Guaranteed he is already under the “whip”….:) Sure they will have a big screen somewhere if they hope to have anyone at the reception.

  • Comment 67, posted at 30.07.09 13:34:34 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 66) :

    I saw a photo of you on FB.

    You a real maargat hey!!! :twisted:

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  • @klempie (Comment 66) :

    I hate weddings… :evil:

  • Comment 69, posted at 30.07.09 13:43:09 by blackshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 68) : hey – why isn’t Klampie MY friend on FB?

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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) :

    He doesn’t like stalkers!! :twisted:

  • Comment 71, posted at 30.07.09 14:15:52 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 68) : FB?? :shock:

  • Comment 72, posted at 30.07.09 14:15:53 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : That’s cos I’m not on Facebook…

  • Comment 73, posted at 30.07.09 14:16:26 by klempie Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 69) : What I don’t understand about weddings is…chicks spend their entire lives planning for that day…and then do it the same as everyone else! :roll: Seen one seen em all. Although the last one I went to was a Japie one. Now THAT was an experience! :lol:

  • Comment 74, posted at 30.07.09 14:18:18 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 72) :

    MMWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    (that’s my evil laugh) :roll:

  • Comment 75, posted at 30.07.09 14:18:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 71) : I love stalkers. Just so long as they are female and score 8+ on hotornot.com. :lol:

  • Comment 76, posted at 30.07.09 14:19:08 by klempie Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 67) : I know. :( He is the last of my scuba diving buddies to get collared. Now I have no one for guys weekends away to go with. :cry:

  • Comment 77, posted at 30.07.09 14:20:38 by klempie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 75) : I’m guessing you saw the BIL game photos? :???:

  • Comment 78, posted at 30.07.09 14:22:55 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 78) :

    What was that maargat??? :twisted:

  • Comment 79, posted at 30.07.09 14:25:53 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 79) : I’m just trying to figure out what photo you’ve seen as I’ve put 6 kilos on over the last year…. :wink:

  • Comment 80, posted at 30.07.09 14:26:47 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 80) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    WES – there is some on my photo’s as well…!

  • Comment 81, posted at 30.07.09 15:15:25 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • I love weddings. As long is it’s a free bar.

  • Comment 82, posted at 30.07.09 15:35:39 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 82) : amen!

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  • What’s a widget?

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  • @robdylan (Comment 84) : @McLovin (Comment 85) :
    For the technologically challenged: What is a Widget??

  • Comment 86, posted at 30.07.09 15:55:22 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 85) : A small willy.

  • Comment 87, posted at 30.07.09 15:59:44 by klempie Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 85) : @Pokkel (Comment 86) : check on the left hand side, just below the last advert.

    @klempie (Comment 87) : you have experience in such matters?

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  • @klempie (Comment 87) : I see.. :grin:

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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) : Not at all. I wasn’t the one showing one off to everyone. :)

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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) : match the name to the nickname quiz? :mrgreen:

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  • @Rahul (Comment 91) : something like that :)

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  • The widget seems to work.

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  • I think…

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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : I’m not on facebook. Doesn’t work wll with my international man of mystery persona. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 96, posted at 30.07.09 17:00:58 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 96) : I kinda figured as much :)

    Aren’t you just dying to find out what’s become of all the people that bullied you at high school, though? :)

  • Comment 97, posted at 30.07.09 17:20:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • Facbeook was invented by the CIA

  • Comment 98, posted at 30.07.09 17:46:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Barney, You Go Boy! Well done and good luck with the future

  • Comment 99, posted at 30.07.09 18:01:23 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 98) : nah – it was invented by a geek at Stanford called Mark Zuckerberg :)

  • Comment 100, posted at 30.07.09 18:01:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 100) : hes like 25 or 27 years old and a millionaire if im not mistaken

  • Comment 101, posted at 30.07.09 18:06:01 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 101) :
    CIA money…

  • Comment 102, posted at 30.07.09 18:09:32 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 101) : more like a gazillionare

  • Comment 103, posted at 30.07.09 18:14:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • I check a certain Mark Andrews has handed the players their jerseys for tomorrow. :cool:

  • Comment 104, posted at 31.07.09 12:05:38 by McLovin Reply

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  • I have seen all the Capts. mentioned above……Gary & John are the ones who stand head and shoulders above the rest.Francois comes next…he did after all, win a WC…or was it Tich & Morne that were the rela inspiration there?

  • Comment 105, posted at 31.07.09 12:57:19 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 105) : :”rela”?? :oops: “real”

  • Comment 106, posted at 31.07.09 12:59:12 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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