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Blessing in disguise?


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 6 Aug 2009 at 08:34

It is a topic I raised yesterday on a forum, and one I believe might be a blessing in disguise given the immanent departures after the Tri-Nations for young Ruan Pienaar and Peter de Villiers. Could this be a stroke of genius by De Villiers or is it a foolish idea? You decide.

“Die een se dood is die ander een se brood.” It is an Afrikaans saying which I believe could well apply to Ruan Pienaar but not in the sense that most would think.

South Africa’s player of the year and Player’s player of the year for 2008, Jean de Villiers is leaving for an Irish club at the end of the year on a one year deal, with the option to extend his contract if he wants to.

To most this is a significant loss, and given the form Jean had in 2008 they might well be right, but unlike most, I could not care less if so-called ‘superstars’ leaves for greener pastures (read money) because that simply opens up the door for another player to step up.

In two very short tests Morné Steyn seemed to have surpassed Ruan Pienaar in the pecking order for first choice flyhalf. A tough break for Ruan especially since he was asked by Bok coach Peter de Villiers to make the switch from scrumhalf to flyhalf to solve what at that stage was a massive concern for the Bok team and De Villiers after a possible career ending injury to Butch James.

Such is life some might say, you win some and you lose some and in Pienaar’s case the chips unfortunately did not fall for him in the last couple of months mainly thanks to injuries he sustained this season which halted his progress and momentum.

Notwithstanding the magnificent form Morné Steyn is in of course, who deservedly lays claim to the number 10 jersey at this point in time.

I mentioned last week that the fact that we now have two massively talented prospects in this position should be celebrated and that is still my view. The problem now obviously exists where one will always play second fiddle, and not get as much game time and in the uncompromising world of test rugby there is little room to effectively manage players to ensure ongoing development and game time.

This is where the departure of De Villiers might be a god-sent for Ruan Pienaar.

I read somewhere yesterday that ex-New Zealand coach Laurie Mains suggested that the All Blacks play Dan Carter outside of Stephen Donald in the number 12 jumper, a position Carter played for most of his career when he started out. Now I am no expert in the woes of New Zealand rugby but I would think that inside center, since the departure of Mauger is a big problem area for them. Luke McAlister is there but he just returned and obviously the All Blacks can also do with the brilliance in playmaking which is Dan Carter. So in essence, they kill two birds with one stone.

Ruan Pienaar, who let’s be honest will probably not be wearing a Bok jersey with a 9 on it again, could fill that role for South Africa as-well.

Before 2008 I was never a massive fan of Jean de Villiers. I simply did not get the hype surrounding which to me was a pretty average 12 who mostly only has an eye for an intercept and is a good defender and organiser of defences. But he was pretty much a De Wet Barry when he played his best rugby.

In 2008 that did change where Jean played some of the best rugby of his life and his partnership with the inventive Adi Jacobs contributed to earning him the accolades he did in 2008.

South Africa however never really bought into the creative play-making second 5/8 or inside center though.  For some reason we are fascinated by bulk and physique at the expense of the most important muscle needed in rugby, a brain.

Another point raised about playmakers in recent times is that South Africa in the professional era seem to prefer playmakers primarily at scrumhalf, of which Ruan along with Fourie du Preez, Rory Kockett and in the past, Joost van der Westhuizen fits this bill.  It came down to the point I always tried to make that there is a massive difference between a playmaker, and a game breaker – Jean de Villiers always fell into the latter category for me whereas a 12 had to be more of a playmaker.

New Zealand, up and till recently had this though, and the current impotence of their backline might just well be because they do not have the playmaking abilities at 12 anymore. A player who cannot only read a game like a flyhalf, but also offers you options with the boot and has great distribution skills. Mauger in this sense was never flash, but he created oodles of space for his outside backs.

The Aussies of course does the same thing now with Giteau and Barnes.

If Peter de Villiers believes Ruan’s future is at 10, there is no better way to have him grow into the role by playing 12 next to the reliable and solid Morné Steyn. These two can shift roles depending on the match situation giving South Africa that elusive unpredictability and potency on attack we so crave. In addition, the pressures of kicking will be lifted off Ruan’s shoulders with Mr. Consistency on his inside.

Some might say that he is not a good enough defender, but defending and tackling is all about your defensive structures, communication, application and technique – simply put, it can be coached.  And do not think or compare a Ruan or even Adi Jacobs to a Jaque Fourie, the argument here is being an effective defender and logic will certainly show you Jaque and Ruan or Adi will not apply the same technique in defense, they are physically different, but it will not make the smaller less physical guy any less of an effective defender if he is coached the right techniques and operates in an organised structure.

A creative and match winning combination of Fourie du Preez at nine, Morné Steyn at 10, and Ruan Pienaar at 12 will not only help us to dominate any game tactically and territorially it also might just set our game breakers outside them alight in a way we have seldom seen in SA Rugby. It might just be a case of for once, getting the best of both worlds.



348 Comments

  • I like the way you think! Nice article.. :wink:

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.08.09 08:45:24 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 1) :

    You read the whole article this time??? :twisted:

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.08.09 08:47:28 by Morné Reply
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  • Thumbs up Morne… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.08.09 08:49:59 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 2) :

    I did – Yes!! :grin:

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.08.09 08:52:43 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • who is the best 12 in the country? Some might say wynand olivier, ok i can go with that…can ruan better than olivier in this position? I don’t think so…let plumtree play ruan @ 12 for the sharks & let’s see all these possibilities the writer is crowing about…the boks are not a finishing school or a nursery school…in any case ruan would struggle containing the likes of jamie roberts, he has never shown an grit or aggression in the tackle & you can’t “teach” that!

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.08.09 08:58:08 by quota Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 5) :

    If Morne says you can, then you CAN! ;-)

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.08.09 09:01:44 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • Pienaar at 12? Sorry but the kid has been shifted around enough. No need to further confuse his muddled brain. If anyone is is shifting – why not Morne? He has done it for the Bulls, in fact under De villiers when they played for the U21 Boks Pienaar played ten and Steyn played 12.

    But seriously this is a dumb idea.

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.08.09 09:04:50 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 5) :

    So by the by…you are right – it’s not a nursery school – so what the hell is January doing there then…I can think of some names that does belong in the SB squad, Jano Vermaak, Heini Adams, Rory Cocket – to name but three…

    @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 7) :

    We can try that too, but it’s not a finishing school..just for interest sake – your reasons besides Ruan being shifted to much for it being a dumb idea?

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.08.09 09:11:47 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 7) :

    Why?

    Jean has been shifted from wing, to 13, to 12 – and found a home.

    Mossie from wing, to fullback, to 13 – found a home.

    Steyn from… everywhere but 9 and found a home at 15.

    Adi the same.

    Players get shifted along and eventually find a home.

    Could the above mean Ruan could be a 12 or should be?

    Certainly not.

    This was suggested on the premise of 3 things.

    1. JDV is leaving
    2. PDV is dead set on playing Ruan at 10 but currently sits with a problem, and which other position will give Ruan the best feel for a future 10?
    3. SA has for the last 15 years played big, ball carrying centers at 12, often not very bright ones and ones that really did nothing to ignite our backline simply because they weren’t playmakers, or decision makers in the mould the Aussies and NZ’landers produce every time.

    That is where it comes from, that is the angle. Which is just about in line with why we could do worse to play Adi @ 12 who is also very much a play maker, and not a game breaker like Mossie who is a strike running outside back.

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.08.09 09:16:48 by Morné Reply
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  • i just want to see what happens this weekend. next years problems are just that. good article though. i am pleased with p div’s move to maintain morne. not cos i prefer steyn, but rather cos the pressure is on morne and not p div. morne has been set up to take the blame if he fails and ruan can do what morne has been doing so far, coming on to save the game. if p div had chosen ruan and the boks lose he would have been ripped apart. now if we lose and morne has an average game div is vindicated.

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.08.09 09:25:13 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • I’m sorry Morne, but this is nonsense. It would be Pienaar’s third “serious” position. Plus he is no longer so young. Nowadays, 20 is young.
    He is falling behind in pecking order (if this is the case – you never know waht’s on Divvy’s mind :mrgreen: ) to a guy who got wher ehe got after years of serious work. So let Pienaar do the same.

    He lost No 9 last year to Kockott and came back nicely – no reason not to do it this time – methinks.

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.08.09 09:29:55 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 8) :
    reasons against being shifted – you struggle to compete with specialists in competition. talent without practice and experience will only get you so far. (not to the end, I mean)

    and Good Morning to you ALL :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.08.09 09:32:27 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 8) : You made the point yourself – its not a finishing school Ruan has never played centre – asking a player who is not 100% certain he wants to be flyhalf and now you suggest he must try 12…..Sorry no – dumb idea.

    Frans Steyn hasn’t found a home at 15 – Janjties would have started if he was fit…simple. Steyn would have been playing musical positions as a sub so far – as fortune would have it we got to see him at Full back and everyone liked what we saw – but rest assured he will turn up all over the show in future – to his detriment and ours.

    Sorry Morne – but this is a terrible suggestion despite Ice cheerleading the cause. In fact i would go so far as to say its the dumbest suggestion i have ever heard with regards to a talent like Ruan. Let him fight for the ten. or let him play 9 which is where he really wants to be.

    If he wants both of them in the side let Morne play 12. Otherwise choose one and be done with it. The only reason Morne is everyones hero is he kicks well, Pienaar can sort that out – but you can’t teach Morne to feel the game like Pienaar ( That is not a diss on Morne’s skills – he is more than competent )

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.08.09 09:32:56 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 9) : why can’t ruan sit on the bench & wait his turn like every other player when another guys is playing better than you? Why the constant need to have him on the park? Pdv should stop babysitting him!

    @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 8) : hi iceman…are you asking me about ricky because you heard me say he needs to be there or you’re just assuming for some unknown reason that i want ricky january there? Please enlighten me….

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.08.09 09:33:05 by quota Reply

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  • So let me get this right…

    The main argument here is that he is shifted around too much?

    Is that it?

    Anycase I am out, will catch up later.

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.08.09 09:33:14 by Morné Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 11) : Agree. Ruan is off form, but it does not mean he can work on correcting that. He has to fight to get his jersey back and that’s all.

    If you look at WO for example. He was being joked about, being called meisiekind and was error prone as hell. I’m not a WO fan, but give it to the guy, he has worked hard and his form has improved in leaps in 2009 from 2008. It can happen, and the door is not neccessarily closed on Ruan due to a run of bad form.

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.08.09 09:35:25 by Iago Reply

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  • Morne, in essence I think the idea isn’t bad (if you compare it to the Aussie model), but this means a whole new gameplan for the Boks which isn’t going to happen overnight. The Boks backs don’t play ‘clever’ rugby, they play forcefull, powerful rugby. Our gameplan (which isn’t pretty,but very effective ) is to physically dominate the opposition players and Ruan doesn’t fit that mould at all IMO.

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.08.09 09:37:18 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 15) : No. For me it’s more on the fact that you have given up on him at 10 already. I don;t think Ruan’s confidence right now, needs a position shift. He needs to work on winning his jersey back. Steyn is a terrific kicker, but he is no “revelation 10″ in the mould of Carter, Honiball, or Merthens.

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.08.09 09:38:43 by Iago Reply

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  • why not put him at full back with frans going and jantjes still injured?

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.08.09 09:39:23 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • or better morne at fullback. it is his boot that wins games not his backline play.

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  • @rekinek (Comment 12) : @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 13) : @quota (Comment 14) :

    Before I go though…

    The main problem might be that most still see Ruan as a 9? And not a 10?

    Is this then a case of people believing a 9 cannot be a 12? Therefore it is more acceptable for a 10 to move to 12 or a 12 to move to 10 as is proven almost throughout the rugby world but not (what most believe) a 9?

    As far as I know, Ruan’s days of playing 9 is over under De Villiers – he is a 10.

    I am not arguing this as Ruan still being an option at 9.

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.08.09 09:40:49 by Morné Reply
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  • @Iago (Comment 16) : i am smelling misunderstanding somewhere here :mrgreen:

    I think exactly that – if Ruan is out of form let him get back into it and fight to get back his jersey. I am against shifting him. Jake White played him everywhere and we saw what happened.

    It seems to me like people want him in starting XV no matter what.

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.08.09 09:40:51 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Iago (Comment 18) :

    Absolutely not.

    The whole thing centers around that he is a 10!!!

    As mentioned, in the article too, a lot of great 10′s start off as 12′s and the skills sets for both is pretty similar.

    And tell me, do we really have a 12 that has great decision making and playmaking ability?

    Jean is going, who is going to step up?

    Gitaeu played brilliant rugby at 12 for the Aussies in recent years, he is currently regarded as the best 10 in world rugby.

    Carter started off at 12, he too was/is regarded as the best 10 in world rugby.

    KNuckles wanted to play Gitt’s at 9, because he believed the Aussies lacked a playmaker at 9, similar to what SA always employs.

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.08.09 09:45:11 by Morné Reply
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  • But you guys are making me late now!!!

    Cheers till later.

  • Comment 24, posted at 06.08.09 09:45:36 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 24) : then don’t put up a controversial article before you have time. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 06.08.09 09:47:23 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

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  • @Iago (Comment 16) : Hi Lago, I agree on WO form was great in the super 14, he just doesn’t seem comfortable in the Bok jersey and I can’t really figure out why.

  • Comment 26, posted at 06.08.09 09:48:32 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 15) : So wait let me get this right JDV is leaving so lets move the most talented player we have there is that your argument ?

  • Comment 27, posted at 06.08.09 09:53:49 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Interesting idea, but there’s more chance of me getting a Bulls tattoo on my forehead than this actually happening. :twisted:

  • Comment 28, posted at 06.08.09 10:03:45 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 23) :so you’re saying because jdv is leaving, let’s play ruan @ 12 to prepare him for 10 & overlook players that are on form @ 12 & sum that have played both 12 & 13 with aplomb? [email protected] idea sorry! :D

  • Comment 29, posted at 06.08.09 10:08:43 by quota Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 27) :

    Meeting was surprisingly short… That is jocks for you, just tell them what to do and they do it.

    Back to this…

    No dude.

    JDV is leaving, so why not take a player, a 10 mind you, who will lose nothing or very little from this positional switch as the skills sets are the same almost, in addition to getting player in a vital backline position with good if not brilliant decision making skills and a playmaker that might just well not only cut defenses wide open and create space for our lethal outside back strike runners, but also offers us even more tactical options in addition to FDP and Morne at 9 and 10.

    That is the argument.

  • Comment 30, posted at 06.08.09 10:10:52 by Morné Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 29) :

    I am saying…

    What does our current 12 offer us – forget who they are let’s just talk about the skills they bring to the game.

    And then compare that to the skills Ruan brings to the game and compare it…

    Simple really.

  • Comment 31, posted at 06.08.09 10:12:35 by Morné Reply
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  • Sorry Morne – but this is a terrible suggestion despite Ice cheerleading the cause…I love that!! :mrgreen:

    @quota (Comment 14) :

    It was a joke with January being so small and all…sorry – smileys was not available at that moment – but while we are there – I do not know what your take is on January…I do believe he does not belong at the moment as I do believe we have better competent scrummies that could second for Fourie du Preez..

    @rekinek (Comment 12) :

    Reks – mayb I am just too “out of the box” thinker …I like new ideas and get bored very quickly – so kick me for applauding an innovative idea.. :wink:

  • Comment 32, posted at 06.08.09 10:15:53 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • And for those who thought I would never top my Jean de Villiers should play 10 idea… :razz:

  • Comment 33, posted at 06.08.09 10:18:47 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 33) : :lol:

    I still disagree, i would rather WO or Adi at 12 than Ruan. The kid has had enough to endure already. Let them fight for the jersey. I mean the reality is the Sharks are to blame for portentially destroying the careers of two of the most talented players to come out of SA in generations – Frans and Ruan :twisted:

  • Comment 34, posted at 06.08.09 10:24:48 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 34) :

    I mean the reality is the Sharks are to blame for portentially destroying the careers of two of the most talented players to come out of SA in generations

    Okay I cannot help but to agree with you on that one… ;)

  • Comment 35, posted at 06.08.09 10:30:03 by Morné Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 32) : Yip, we should all think outside the box and also push the envelope going forward. And after an ideas showers touch base in a few days time. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 06.08.09 10:30:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • Maybe what is needed is a holistic, cradle-to-grave approach.

  • Comment 37, posted at 06.08.09 10:31:41 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 34) : I dont think blame can be laid at the sharks door for this. Pienaar has been touted as a second honibal for years back to when he played u/21 for the Sharks up until then he was always a s/h. just a point to ponder the 3 greatest 10′s in world rugby since 2003 have all started their career in other positions with 3 of them at inside centre
    Secondly Frans was settled at the sharks-playing the best game i have seen a 10 play in the wet against WP Jake started the moving around of Frans and if memory serves me he was inside centre in sa U/19

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  • sorry 4 greatest F/H

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 34) : Too true :sad:

  • Comment 40, posted at 06.08.09 10:36:05 by diablo Reply

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  • Whatever the coaches decide the should do it quickly and not let the grass grow too long on this one. They should get their ducks in a row and have Ruan play in one position from the get-go so he can sprinkle his magic along the way.

    Cause you know what they say, you can’t have your cake and eat it, so you have to step up to the plate and face the music.

  • Comment 41, posted at 06.08.09 10:40:12 by McLovin Reply

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  • The simple solution to this situation is that Ruan goes to a ‘kop dokter’ and get the mental side sorted out and spend 5 hours a day kicking at the posts. I read recently that Morne Steyn started his career and was considerd a running FH and that he worked extremely hard at his kicking. Ruan must do the same and earn his place back in the Bok side.

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 34) :

    Okay – so you would rather have one of the most talented players sit on the bench than trying a new position which he might be able to do good?

  • Comment 43, posted at 06.08.09 10:51:16 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • Wynand or Adi @ 12 ? Olivier struggles to make the step up as a test centre, where as Jacobs been climbing the ladder IMO… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 06.08.09 10:58:29 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 43) : Ice – well if you or the sharks coaches feel you have better players than Ruan and Frans in your squad then yes they should sit on the bench or alternatively collectively KZN should see a shrink.

    What bugs me the most about alot of the posters on here is no patience is offered to players to grow into a position – its match winning performance from the go or no place in the team. And then week in and week out players like Frans and Ruan are expected to play in several positions and still deliver killer performances that smash all and sundry…

  • Comment 45, posted at 06.08.09 11:00:28 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 43) : He must earn his way back to the no 10 position see post 42.

    Kom nou blondie, selfs jy kan sien dis nie n goeie idee nie :wink:

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  • @McLovin (Comment 41) : “Whatever the coaches decide the should do it quickly and not let the grass grow too long on this one. They should get their ducks in a row and have Ruan play in one position from the get-go so he can sprinkle his magic along the way.”

    Amen !

  • Comment 47, posted at 06.08.09 11:03:31 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 44) : Good point, if you want a good ditributer at 12 then why look further than Adi

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 47) : Agree :wink:

  • Comment 49, posted at 06.08.09 11:05:31 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 23) : At the moment Ma’a Nonu is playing at 12. He could not be further from a future flyhalf than John Smit. Just because you are at 12, does not necessarily groom you for 10. Some players are different, and bring different elements.

  • Comment 50, posted at 06.08.09 11:06:16 by Iago Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : He is a bench warmer fullstop. Maybe he just doesn’t have the goods, maybe he also needs a confidence “kop dokter”. who knows.

  • Comment 51, posted at 06.08.09 11:09:16 by Iago Reply

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  • @Iago (Comment 50) : So the number on the players back, can be misleading :twisted:

  • Comment 52, posted at 06.08.09 11:10:05 by Charlie Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 22) : I’m agreeing with you, but you don’t want to see it. Okay.

  • Comment 53, posted at 06.08.09 11:10:31 by Iago Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 52) : Well Schalk Brits at hooker for the Stormers spent a whole season playing center. :grin:

  • Comment 54, posted at 06.08.09 11:11:33 by Iago Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 46) :

    i just love the “Cheerleading” comment so much – I CANNOT stop now!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 06.08.09 11:12:07 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • morne steyn himself had to play second choice to hougaard for years @ the blue bulls, he waited on the bench! Got his chance when liefling left & now he is shining…everytime ruan is no cutting the mustard against another player you hear “he is too talented not to be in the bok squad, let’s shift him to where there isn’t an incumbent” because we lacked a first five-eighth he was moved there, he hasn’t even sealed his spot there now he must be a stop-gap @ send five-eighth and we must keep other players in the cooler to accommodate him…forget it…

  • Comment 56, posted at 06.08.09 11:12:20 by quota Reply

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  • @Iago (Comment 50) :

    I will start quoting from the article;

    ex-New Zealand coach Laurie Mains suggested that the All Blacks play Dan Carter outside of Stephen Donald in the number 12 jumper, a position Carter played for most of his career when he started out. Now I am no expert in the woes of New Zealand rugby but I would think that inside center, since the departure of Mauger is a big problem area for them. Luke McAlister is there but he just returned and obviously the All Blacks can also do with the brilliance in playmaking which is Dan Carter. So in essence, they kill two birds with one stone.

    Do you reckon Nonu is a good 12?

    How do we explain the sudden decline in the AB’s attacking abilities in their backline?

    Laurie Mains seems to have an idea where the problem is.

  • Comment 57, posted at 06.08.09 11:13:38 by Morné Reply
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  • Morne, I think the biggest problem I have with your suggestion is that if JDV leaves, you are suggesting Ruan, who has already been given a chance at 9 and 10, be given a shot at 12, when there are other 12′s waiting in the que beind Jdv, and working hard to nail that position. Why must Ruan leap frog them? No. If Ruan is the 10, then he should work on improving himself at 10, and I concur with the other bloggers, he cannot NOW, AT THIS STAGE, say he needs training for 10, so put him at 12 to learn, at test rugby level. That is just plain BS.

  • Comment 58, posted at 06.08.09 11:15:03 by Iago Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 56) :

    You talk like Ruan is already settled in his position the coach wants to play him in?

    Is he?

    Of course if there is someone better than you in a position you have to wait your turn…

    So who is the best option at 12 for us and why?

    And surely one cannot come up with an argument that ‘they played there for a long time’.

    Frans Steyn won a World Cup medal as a 12 having just about never playing there – picked ahead of a specialist… you guessed it…

    Wynand Olivier.

  • Comment 59, posted at 06.08.09 11:17:52 by Morné Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 56) :

    And there’s plenty more in that category ““he is too talented not to be in the bok squad”, so I suggest we Clean out the whole Bok squAD THEN.. :lol:

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  • @Iago (Comment 58) :

    BS?

    It worked for Gitaeu, Carter etc. So how could it be BS?

    Was Jake selecting Frans Steyn at 12 in the World Cup ahead of the specialist (and next in line) Wynand Olivier a mistake, or a stroke of genius?

  • Comment 61, posted at 06.08.09 11:19:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 57) : The all blacks tried this method last year on their end of year tour with Stephen Donald replacing Nonu at 12, playing next to DC. Then they tried DC at 12 next to Donald at 10. Mains is not some genius who came up with this idea and must get a kiss on the forehead. It was tried out in 2008 already. Nonu may not be the best centre ever, but he brings a different element to the centre combination and he links well with Snakey.

    But quota asked you. Since Jdv is player of the year 2008 etc, and considered one of the best centres in the world, are you thinking of him as a future 10? And more, where the AB’s ever grooming Mauger for 10? No!

  • Comment 62, posted at 06.08.09 11:19:26 by Iago Reply

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  • But do not worry people, it will not happen.

    South Africans are way too conservative to do something like this.

  • Comment 63, posted at 06.08.09 11:21:00 by Morné Reply
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  • as i see it – the whole idea around Morne’s article goes around the following..we need a PLAYMAKER and not a GAME BREAKER at 12..if we dont have any PLAYMAKERS currently in the 12 position – put a PLAYMAKER in – which is Ruan..and that will kill two birds with one stone as “he is too good not to be in the Boksquad – no wait – the starting 15!

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    Geez julle mense kan erstig raak oor boggerol! :wink:

  • Comment 64, posted at 06.08.09 11:23:27 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 22) : hehehe @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 60) : Hello Iceman

  • Comment 65, posted at 06.08.09 11:23:29 by Rahul Reply

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  • The articles too long…I’ll wait for the highlights :mrgreen:

  • Comment 66, posted at 06.08.09 11:25:09 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 61) : Which takes it right back to what an earlier blogger said. What kind of centre pairing are you looking for. Two kicking option creating centres, or tried and tested combinations. I didn’t see Saffas crying about the Jdv Jaque Fourie WC combination, because it worked, but was Jdv being groomed for 10? No. He comes from playing wing for Jake, to centre.

    Frans Steyn to me will always be a stupid player, given chance after chance after chance above all other players, so let’s leave him out. What is sickening is that you are suggesting the same favouritism for Ruan.

    If you are a 10, and you are playing shit, fix your form and fight for your spot at 10, don’t push other people playing better in another position around, so that you can fix your own form shit. That is BS.

  • Comment 67, posted at 06.08.09 11:27:58 by Iago Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 30) : that is – providing he will see any ball @12 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 06.08.09 11:28:06 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Iago (Comment 62) :

    I said about 2 years ago JDV would make a great 10, most on here would vouch for that too.

    And yes the AB’s did try it…

    In 2008, they won the 3N, a Grand Slam and the Bledisloe.

    This year they lost 3 from 6 test already…

  • Comment 69, posted at 06.08.09 11:30:53 by Morné Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 32) : kick kick kick – o goosh it’s tiring :-) )

  • Comment 70, posted at 06.08.09 11:31:18 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 63) : No they not. Frans Steyn has been shoving other players out of their natural positions for years, because they are trying to make space for him.

    Wing, then Full back, then inside Centre, then outside centre, then flyhalf, now back to full back.

    Who got skrewed over for them to give Frans Steyn kindergarten schooling at Bok level and Sharks level.

  • Comment 71, posted at 06.08.09 11:32:07 by Iago Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 69) : Look you are entitled to your opinion. But the rest of us are entitled to tell you that it is farked up. That is the nature of a blog.

  • Comment 72, posted at 06.08.09 11:33:22 by Iago Reply

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  • @Iago (Comment 67) :

    Quote from the article again (all the references is in there)…

    South Africa however never really bought into the creative play-making second 5/8 or inside center though. For some reason we are fascinated by bulk and physique at the expense of the most important muscle needed in rugby, a brain.

    So debating what we have been doing in the past is useless, as we have done exactly what you said.

    And JDV and Mossie was not the WC combination, it was Steyn and Mossie…

    Pretty spectacular for a dumb player to win a World Cup medal playing 12 I would say.

    @Iago (Comment 67) :

    And if you are a 10 you are a 10?

    Please pray tell and explain to me how Gitaeu became (currently) the world’s best 10?

    Explain to me how Larkham was seen as one of the best?

    Where did Carter start?

  • Comment 73, posted at 06.08.09 11:35:22 by Morné Reply
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  • @Iago (Comment 72) :

    Of course, throughout this whole article I tried to apply simple logic to the theme.

    Do the same and we can have a creative debate.

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 34) : i do not think so – ruan was a nice scrummie before Boks started moving him around. As to Frans – it took some time to find him position (12!)and then he goes to Boks – need I say more. :roll:

  • Comment 75, posted at 06.08.09 11:36:33 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 70) :

    HEHEHEHE!! I have a hard ass – so yeah I could have predicted you getting tired! ;-)

    @Rahul (Comment 65) :

    Geez Rahul – I saw that…last time i know – I still had more oestrogen than testosterone.. :-)

    @Morné (Comment 63) :

    Egggsaketillie! ;-)

  • Comment 76, posted at 06.08.09 11:37:32 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Iago (Comment 71) :

    So Steyn’s selection at center at the World Cup was a mistake?

    His selection this year at 15 in the 3N stupid?

  • Comment 77, posted at 06.08.09 11:38:08 by Morné Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 39) : whose 4th?

  • Comment 78, posted at 06.08.09 11:38:18 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 73) : It’s not just about 1 player. It’s about how this affects a team. Your only concern appears to be that Ruan, next extra special favours and extra special time, to not move from 12 to 10, like DC, and Giteau, NOOOOOO. You say he, having been at 10, at test level, must shift others out of position to learn again how to be at 10. DC and Gits, were 12′s at provincial and eventually test level, before being trust into 10. You are working in reverse. And by the way if Frans was such hot shit at centre, why is he not there anymore?

  • Comment 79, posted at 06.08.09 11:39:20 by Iago Reply

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  • Anycase, I am out again for a bit.

    Later peoples!!!

  • Comment 80, posted at 06.08.09 11:40:08 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 77) : I will never appreciate Frans Steyn dude. Never. For a guy who gets so many chances, he ought to be fantastic, and he is just ordinary.

  • Comment 81, posted at 06.08.09 11:41:05 by Iago Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 42) : i must agree with you on that – it’s professional rugby now and these guys are paid to big money to have such off days.

    Then again there is some magic in unpredictability. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 82, posted at 06.08.09 11:41:12 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 76) : see comment 14… the back stabber started it :wink:

  • Comment 83, posted at 06.08.09 11:42:28 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Iago (Comment 79) :

    Goodness only knows why you believe my only concern here is for one player…

    I think I said it many times in the comments here, after JDV leaves, who is our best option at 12 (FOR THE TEAM) and why?

    What skills do they bring?

    Why the selection might work and why?

    All of this is motivated in the article and in the comments.

    By all means disagree with it, give me examples of why and other players that will do better and why.

    How this will compliment not only the individual but the team.

    How this could sort out a historical problem with the Boks where all our centers in the past are all just about the same but our backline has no attacking dimension or flair….

    Have fun.

  • Comment 84, posted at 06.08.09 11:43:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 74) : Look you posted an article so that people can debate it. Did you think we were all going to pat you on the back and applaude your brilliance. Sorry. People have different opinions and views. It’s called real life. Once you can accept that we can get somewhere. Like I said. You are entitled to your opinion, but so am I.

  • Comment 85, posted at 06.08.09 11:44:32 by Iago Reply

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  • @Iago (Comment 71) : I must agree with that one. The Sharks 2008 S14 is best example.

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  • @Iago (Comment 81) :

    Now see, that is not a very compelling argument to raise why you do not rate a player.

    Simply because you do not like him does not state a very good case for not wanting to select him.

    I dislike Stefan Terblanche with a passion, but I still selected him at times…

    Okay really gone now.

  • Comment 87, posted at 06.08.09 11:45:40 by Morné Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 86) : however I feel that Frans is a good player – rather coaches failed to manage him that well.

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  • @Iago (Comment 85) :

    And I said you are not where?

    Dude I am not flustered at all.

    I do this all the time, and who agrees with what is said or not does not make me sleep better at night.

    You do seem a bit flustered though.

    Chill, your opinion in the comments section means as much as an article posted.

    Everyone can read it and agree with you or not.

  • Comment 89, posted at 06.08.09 11:47:42 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 87) : Fransie has farked up enough times spectacularly for me to not rate him. I’m sure every blogger here can come up with one example including you, His NUMBER ONE CHEERLEADER.

  • Comment 90, posted at 06.08.09 11:48:21 by Iago Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 57) : what you don’t tell us is where did carter play 12? At all black level or @ cantebury? Did they shift mauger or leave him out of the team to accommodate carter? You are very deceptive in the fact that you selectively choose the two best flyhalfs in the world to illustrate your point as infallible, meanwhile stephen brett was also playing 12 last year for the crusaders but it doesn’t mean he is a genius @ 10 today! So this brainwave of yours & laurie mains is not so watertight! Let plum try it there by the sharks, he’s got hernandez now to cover 10, let him play ruan & 12, then we shall see.

    it’s not “conservatism” as you erroneously put it!

  • Comment 91, posted at 06.08.09 11:48:52 by quota Reply

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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 76) : didn’t I mention stilettos :mrgreen:

  • Comment 92, posted at 06.08.09 11:50:50 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Iago (Comment 85) :

    Precisely!! So Morne has he’s and you have yours… :roll: :wink: @Rahul (Comment 83) :

    I did – thats what I meant when I said I saw that..BTW.. “back stabber”?? :?:

  • Comment 93, posted at 06.08.09 11:52:32 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 89) : Go make yourself a cup of tea and relax dude. Bottom line, I believe players are sellected for the skill and ability they show in their various positions and for being the best or second best at that position at their clubs, provinces and unions. I do not agree that the guy chacing the number 8 jersey and who gets into the National team as an 8, who loses form, must be given a special favour by telling all the other hookers, that he changed his mind and wants to be hooker now to learn how to be a better 8, so the Bismarks of the world must fark off and give him space. That is BS, and ridiculous. Ruan is at 10, he must fix his shit at 10.

  • Comment 94, posted at 06.08.09 11:55:16 by Iago Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 92) :

    Kinky one you, ne? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    @quota (Comment 91) :

    Maybe Plum should..could be a good experiment!

  • Comment 95, posted at 06.08.09 11:56:03 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Iago (Comment 90) :

    Why on earth would you think I am a Frans Steyn cheerleader?

    You know what they say about perceptions?

    @quota (Comment 91) :

    Carter played 12 alongside Andrew Mehrtens at Canterbury making his debut in 2003. He only secured the 10 position in 2005 after Mehrtens left in 2004.

    In 2003 he made his AB debut, he was picked in the World Cup but only really played from the bench.

    He only secured the 10 spot in 2005 in their NH tour that year, displacing Carlos Spencer.

    The facts are there for you, google it, go to NZ official website.

    No hiding facts.

    Brett was viewed by the NZ public as a very talented 10 when Carter was not around at the Saders, for some reason Graham Henry just never took a liking in him.

  • Comment 96, posted at 06.08.09 11:58:53 by Morné Reply
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  • @Iago (Comment 94) :

    I do not believe thay have the say in “what position ” they WANT to play – then maybe you should blame the coach, not so?? :twisted:

    And you are damn right! Thats why I said – we need to clean up / out the bok team…there are a few players which have 2nd in lines which more deserve to be there..BUT AGIAN – It’s not THEM who selected the players, now is it?

  • Comment 97, posted at 06.08.09 11:59:47 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 93) : Morne does not want to Kum bah yah. Nor do I. We are chatting. Why are you comming accross like you are on some peace mission. Morne is a big boy. He can handle himself.

    I don’t get your backstabber comment. In fact I wish this blog would post the name of the person posting on top in Blue Bold, instead of the @ that person you are replying to. It’s irritating when one has to hunt down the fine print to see who is talking to you.

  • Comment 98, posted at 06.08.09 12:00:03 by Iago Reply

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  • @Iago (Comment 94) :

    Dude I am very relaxed.

    Of course Ruan is a 10, that is the whole point isn’t it?

    He is a 10 with the skills to perhaps perfectly fill the void JDV will leave at 12 without us having to compromise our 10 resources since we also have Morne Steyn.

    We would also do very little to compromise Ruan’s skills or development as a 10 if he is picked as a 12.

    I thought the article made that clear?

  • Comment 99, posted at 06.08.09 12:02:15 by Morné Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 97) : Crumbs Dude. Must every living thing that annoys you in SA rugby be blamed on Pdv. Your hate knows no bounds.

  • Comment 100, posted at 06.08.09 12:02:54 by Iago Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 99) : And I thought I said, that if he is not a 12, we have other players who are 12′s. Ruan must not play 12, he must train and fix his problems at 10, because he is a 10.

  • Comment 101, posted at 06.08.09 12:04:30 by Iago Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 99) : I love the way you can explain to Quota how Carter only got his chance at 10 afterwards, yet you are proposing that this whole thing with Ruan must be done in reverse. Tell me, when Carter replaced Spencer at 10, did the coaches then move Carlos Spencer back to 12, to help him learn again how to be a 10?

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  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 103, posted at 06.08.09 12:07:19 by Rahul Reply

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  • I gotta run to a meeting. Have a nice day gents :smile:

  • Comment 104, posted at 06.08.09 12:08:11 by Iago Reply

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  • @Iago (Comment 101) : Amen.
    Though I think he is a scrummy – but guess there is no return now.

    @Iago (Comment 100) : i don’t think Ice meant that. Then again he is the guy with final say (as was made sure in his contract) thus final responsibility. doesn’t absolve the players for their mistakes however.

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  • @Iago (Comment 101) :

    And those 12′s are better or bring more to the game or position than Ruan how and why?

    BTW, what is his problems at 10?

    Kicking at posts?

    If it is that (which according to most comments and articles I read it is) then there is no real problem with him playing 10 – if we have another kicker in the team that is…

    Similar to what Percy gave us at 15 so we could basically pick any type of 10…

    The best 10′s in the world are also adapt at 12. The best 10′s in the world also in certain instances, developed from playing 12…

    So how is all this so far fetched?

  • Comment 106, posted at 06.08.09 12:09:56 by Morné Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 103) : summary : ruan @12
    morne – yes yes
    lago – no no
    :mrgreen:

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  • @Iago (Comment 100) : Cool it – You seem to be getting way too het up and I think you should rather leave the Lord out of this.

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  • @Iago (Comment 98) :

    What does it bother you if I am a piecemaker type?? That’s who I am..if you dont get me, you never will – I prefer being the way I am to your hooligan attacks on everyone that disagrees with you (sorry – Chatting” as you call it)

    I am not “standing up” for anyone – I merely gave my opinion – I can see from his comments and replies that he is more than capable of stadning up for himself..So Cool it sister – some of us are chille human beings – not a ball of attack with a chip on the shoulder!@

    The Bacstabber comment was not meant for you – it was meant for Rahul – SEE BOLD BLUE @ RAHUL..

    @Iago (Comment 100) :

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA – Hook, Line and sinker!! Sucker!! :lol:
    It IS his fault…he is the one making the dicisions…HE should decide that Ruan should UP his game at ten and deserve his place in the jersey again – was that not what you are pleading… surely YOU know that Ruan cannot make those decisions?? :shock:

  • Comment 109, posted at 06.08.09 12:11:40 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Iago (Comment 102) :

    It was not me explaining anything.

    I was accused of distorting facts, and gave the facts, you can get them almost word for word on the NZ website and stats site, Wiki etc.

    And I do not get this ‘being done in reverse’ point you make?

    @Morné (Comment 106) :

    Read that post, or read any other post discussing a similar thing, or just read the article and you will get exactly what is said. Nothing reversed, looking at a situation, looking at options, and stating an opinion.

    Simple.

  • Comment 110, posted at 06.08.09 12:13:18 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 106) : Fattman wrote earlier that the best 10s ara adapted from 9s, you say some best 10s are made from 12s.
    Are they any good 10s who were 10s from the scratch?

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  • @rekinek (Comment 111) :

    Naas Botha!

  • Comment 112, posted at 06.08.09 12:15:59 by Morné Reply
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  • @Iago (Comment 100) :

    YOUR hate knows no boundaries…go make piece with yourself first…I am cool with me, who I am, my life and all around me..Do Not label me because I am lilly – you are making a HUGE mistake…HUGE!!

  • Comment 113, posted at 06.08.09 12:16:09 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • Another meeting, ciao.

    Conference call.

  • Comment 114, posted at 06.08.09 12:16:44 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 112) : and … ?
    Numerically seems like the converts are in majority (but don’t quote me :mrgreen: just thinking aloud – not great in stats). Interesting

  • Comment 115, posted at 06.08.09 12:19:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 96) : forget who viewed brett as what & who didn’t like him, the point i am making is that the experiment of playing a guy @ 12 with the intention of making him a super 10 does not necessarily work all the time thus i don’t think it is worth trying it out @ Bok level, maybe @ sharks level it would be fine!!!!

    I’ve always been against frans steyn being given chances @ various positions @ bok level, zane kirchener, louis ludik ply their trade there for the whole year & if they’re good let them play & frans must have it out with the form inside centres in other provinces! Fcuk the story that “he is too talented to leave him out of the bok team”

  • Comment 116, posted at 06.08.09 12:19:18 by quota Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 111) : Naas. :wink:

  • Comment 117, posted at 06.08.09 12:19:25 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Iago (Comment 100) :

    Let’s re-phrase for your convenience…COACHES (do NOT READ PDIV) makes those decisions…NO PLAYER can decide that…better – just so that there’s not a misunderstadning…

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  • @Ice :wink:

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  • @Morné (Comment 112) : Snap. :mrgreen:

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  • @McLovin (Comment 120) :

    Jy’s maar baie laat met daai “snap”!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 121, posted at 06.08.09 12:26:22 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • Lomu started at flank! This is all irrelevant and simple minded.

    I’m sur I suggested that RP be given the ball and told to kick or die during the S14 and got shot down in flames! :???:

  • Comment 122, posted at 06.08.09 12:26:58 by Rahul Reply

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  • I wonder where Klempie is…he’s missing out on another big one :smile:

  • Comment 123, posted at 06.08.09 12:27:11 by Pokkel Reply
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  • (read Iago vs Morne) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 124, posted at 06.08.09 12:28:49 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 122) : JP Pieterson started as a lock…

    But I have to agree with Lago and quota…you don’t experiment at Bok level. Ruan just has to earn the right to play 10 again….for that matter he also has to earn the right to play 12…by playing there in the CC and Super 14

  • Comment 125, posted at 06.08.09 12:30:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 121) : Agter os kom ook innie kraal. :oops:

  • Comment 126, posted at 06.08.09 12:31:16 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 122) : in the hindsight – that should have been the case (not that it would have cost sharks semis or so :mrgreen:

  • Comment 127, posted at 06.08.09 12:32:02 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 125) : and starting Ruan all over in a new position in the CC would be silly…he just needs to sort out his kicking or we need somebody else in the team that can do the place kicking , but first he needs to prove he’s better and he’s done it before. He had to fight to get his spot back from Kockett and he did.

    If he is the great talent that everybody assumes he’ll be back in the Bok 10 jersey in no time. I think the competition betweeb Ruan and Morne will just be to the benefit of the team as long as they both get some gametime

  • Comment 128, posted at 06.08.09 12:36:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 108) : that has been corrected. Apologies for any offence caused.

  • Comment 129, posted at 06.08.09 12:38:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • I think that we have the perfect situation where we can play horses for courses because Ruan and Morne are not the same sort of players

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  • @McLovin (Comment 126) :

    :-)

    @Pokkel (Comment 125) :

    Then try it at Provincial level…fairly so…BUT he still needs to be “released” from the bok squad first..

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 128) : I said it before :cool: :mrgreen:

    In this whole discussion people seemed to forget that Ruan actually had good games at 10. The only issue is this kicking for poles, because tactically and out of hand he was doing well – definately not worse than Morne.

  • Comment 132, posted at 06.08.09 12:39:40 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 129) : Hey Rob welcome to your site :smile:

  • Comment 133, posted at 06.08.09 12:40:26 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 125) : These are top players and can play anywhere and be shuffled around (I am refering to backline)with more that 1 kicker on the team. JP a lock??? a lock pick maybe… :twisted:

  • Comment 134, posted at 06.08.09 12:41:11 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 134) : Seriously JPP was playing lock for one of the KZN club teams and Muir converted him to a wing…genius..

  • Comment 135, posted at 06.08.09 12:44:39 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 129) : Appreciated – thanks. Religion, sport and politics… alwys a merry old brew :mrgreen:

  • Comment 136, posted at 06.08.09 12:48:03 by diablo Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 129) : How about the thread with all the CC teams….please..

  • Comment 137, posted at 06.08.09 12:48:07 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 127) : Sharks are at fault for letting his kicking slide in the first place!

  • Comment 138, posted at 06.08.09 13:05:01 by Rahul Reply

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  • Lunch?

  • Comment 139, posted at 06.08.09 13:13:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 116) :

    Point taken.

    From my side, I look at what we have, what we can do and what the risks are in doing it.

    Other than playing the same old type of center at 12 like we always do (and no doubt get the same results from an attacking perspective) I lean more to the adventurous side of things, without risking too much.

    For that matter, Ruan or Adi could serve Bok rugby well at 12 after Jean. Ruan perhaps more because he brings a tactical kicking edge to 12 too – similar to what Hennie le Roux and Michael du Plessis had.

    Whether Morne stuffs up in future or not remains to be seen – so if Ruan will effectively or eventually make 10 his own also remains to be seen, but playing him at 12 will not hurt that, or the team now and in the future –

    Hence the above was written.

  • Comment 140, posted at 06.08.09 13:22:13 by Morné Reply
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  • Ok…hey Sharksworldians…

    Ruan Pienaar is the Bok flyhalf -and Morne Steyn is the backup… make no mistake about that…

    I don’t see Morne Steyn starting the game after the Newlands test…I think PdV has already hinted something about that…

    We have a 12 right now…and when we lose JdV – we’ll pick whoever is the best 12 at that time… right now we have a Tri-Nations to win.

  • Comment 141, posted at 06.08.09 13:22:51 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 138) : :mrgreen:
    but it is not lost yet.
    plum should stand one side with a whip and bash on the other with a candy and depending how the kick goes(no koop dokter needed :mrgreen: – oops sounds bit medievial

    @McLovin (Comment 139) : yum yum

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  • @McLovin (Comment 139) :

    Just had – thanks! :lol:

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  • @McLovin (Comment 139) : 2 of whatever you having please

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  • @rekinek (Comment 142) : Definitely not lost, but should have been dealt with in Feb or March!

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  • I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve immortality through not dying.
    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 146, posted at 06.08.09 13:45:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 133) : I have to have a day job to fund all this, you know :)

    @Pokkel (Comment 137) : I’m going to need one of the other guys to step up with that one… :)

  • Comment 147, posted at 06.08.09 13:53:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 136) :
    I find it quite amusing that with your nickname meaning, amongst other things, devil, you are religiously sensitive. No offence with this post.

  • Comment 148, posted at 06.08.09 13:56:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 147) : Cant you work nights rather… It’s affecting our FL choices!!! :wink:

  • Comment 149, posted at 06.08.09 14:06:06 by Rahul Reply

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  • Honey is the only food that does not spoil. There’s no need to refrigerate it and it can be stored unopened, indefinitely, at room temperature in a dry cupboard.

  • Comment 150, posted at 06.08.09 14:10:07 by McLovin Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 78) : wilkinson carter and gits started at 12 larkham started at 15 and modeled himself on Honibal so the 4 best f/h since 2003 all started at other positions even JMH stated at 15

  • Comment 151, posted at 06.08.09 14:13:06 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 135) : Tho Jp started like out as lock it was @ 15 when muir spotted him and converted him to wing-didnt and still doesnt have a kicking game

  • Comment 152, posted at 06.08.09 14:14:56 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 149) :

    HAHAHAHA!!

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 148) : None taken – and I am not overly sensitive, but felt at the time that the whole argument was deteriorating and that (key)Largo was a bit out of line. There are more than enough lekker cuss words about without stooping to that type of thing. :wink:

  • Comment 154, posted at 06.08.09 14:17:43 by diablo Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 151) : didn’t giteau also have a short spell at scrumhalf when george was out of favour

  • Comment 155, posted at 06.08.09 14:26:10 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Iago (Comment 71) :
    The one that has been screwed over and over is Frans Steyn, he has been shunted from one position to the next as a stop gap when injuries have occured – he has hardly been allowed to settle anywhere by all his coaches. Surely this alone is a testament to his incredible talent once again seen by all the coaches.
    Im trying to think of one player that has been shafted because Frans is playing in his position.

  • Comment 156, posted at 06.08.09 14:28:26 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 154) : :cool: Its one of the topics that posters naturally steer clear of, mostly.

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  • @diablo (Comment 154) : and I missed it!!!! :mad: Largo :?:

  • Comment 158, posted at 06.08.09 14:33:46 by Rahul Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 155) : yep he played on the slam tour that never was under conneley did ok but not better than greagan

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  • Now take offence. Go ahead and take it.

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  • Guess not :shock:

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 156) : The actual fullbacks right now. Zhane Kirschner and Louis Ludick. In 2008 for the sharks Adi Jacobs was warming benches for Muir, whilst Steyn played center.

  • Comment 162, posted at 06.08.09 14:38:08 by Iago Reply

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  • @Iago (Comment 158) : Grow up, expand your vocabulary – you might find that your brain is capable of more than you think :razz:

  • Comment 163, posted at 06.08.09 14:39:53 by diablo Reply

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  • Although, on second thoughts, that’s doubtful :wink:

  • Comment 164, posted at 06.08.09 14:41:04 by diablo Reply

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  • @diablo (Comment 164) : Praise the Lord, I seem to be getting advise from the devil.

  • Comment 165, posted at 06.08.09 14:41:43 by Iago Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 156) : brad barrit, waylon, freddie – not so much shafted but relegated to the bench on various occassions and not exactly due to loosing form.
    and stefan terblanche at one game was playing wing.

  • Comment 166, posted at 06.08.09 14:43:03 by rekinek Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 165) : And funny I still have to hear anything from you regarding rugby. All I hear is preaching. I thought religious issues were not allowed here. Run along to the pullpit. Or Are you only blogging for Bakkies.

  • Comment 167, posted at 06.08.09 14:45:18 by Iago Reply

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  • @Iago (Comment 163) :
    Kirchner and Ludik are injured.
    In 2008 Steyn had just won the world cup with the Boks, at centre. Adi had’nt.

  • Comment 168, posted at 06.08.09 14:47:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • It is a topic I raised yesterday on a forum, and one I believe might be a blessing in disguise given the immanent departures after the Tri-Nations for young Ruan Pienaar and Peter de Villiers

    :shock: :shock: Man am I glad i read the article and it turns out it is JdV that is leaving and not PdV

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  • @Iago (Comment 167) : go read the rules, then email me if you want to be reinstated.

  • Comment 170, posted at 06.08.09 14:48:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ruan Pienaar is a utility back. A great one also. That means he can fill in between 9 and 15, where ever there is a need. Last year there was a need at 10 and next, there may be a need at 12.

    You guys are just pissed off because you believed the nonsense that he was the best 10 since Tiger Woods.

  • Comment 171, posted at 06.08.09 14:50:24 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 170) : if you delete a comment then all that were made after become number X-1 – are the responses that people posted to them also automatically updated?

  • Comment 172, posted at 06.08.09 14:52:10 by rekinek Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 169) : :mrgreen:

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  • @Iago (Comment 166) :

    You are a serious misfit – I hope your week on this blog has end now for once and all…

    You do not stimulate healthy debate nor anything healthy for that matter…

  • Comment 174, posted at 06.08.09 14:54:15 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 171) : did tiger play 10 as well :wink:

  • Comment 175, posted at 06.08.09 14:54:17 by rekinek Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 171) :

    Here we go again. 1st Steyn had his career all but killed by moving him all over the place instead of specialising in a certain spot, before that it was Brent Russell, now it seems we are doing the same to Ruan Pienaar.

  • Comment 176, posted at 06.08.09 14:54:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 169) :

    My first reaction too!

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  • @rekinek (Comment 172) : not a problem when everybody behaves. Pass it on :-)

  • Comment 178, posted at 06.08.09 14:57:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 166) :
    Waylon Murray had lost so much form it was not funny. Stefan Terreblanche was a wing and probably played a game there due to someones injury. I prefer Frans to Barrit at centre anyway and regarding Fred I dont know, cant remember.
    But regardless it proves the mans worth that he could play in all those positions.

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 157) :
    Talk about speaking too soon. :shock:

  • Comment 180, posted at 06.08.09 14:59:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I AM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!

    Home ADSL sorted.
    New Laptop Sorted

    Just need to get MS OFfice and I’ll be firing on ALL cylinders.

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 181) :

    HHHHEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! How’s that for a Welcome back Note.. :wink:

  • Comment 182, posted at 06.08.09 15:02:15 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • LEKKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 174) :
    I was preparing a superbru mail for you, but it wont be necessary now.

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 180) : :mrgreen: Jy wou mos! :twisted:

  • Comment 185, posted at 06.08.09 15:04:06 by diablo Reply

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  • Hey Rob… You supposed to welcome the new boy! :twisted:

  • Comment 186, posted at 06.08.09 15:05:40 by Rahul Reply

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  • @diablo (Comment 185) :
    Ek en my nuskierigheid.

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 181) : welcome to the site. Please read the rules to avoid ending up in the “Iago bucket”… :)

  • Comment 188, posted at 06.08.09 15:09:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 184) :

    Send…dont make me nuuskierig now…damnit!!

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  • @robdylan (Comment 170) :

    Now this thread will never reach the 500 the detractors one did!

    Oh well…

  • Comment 190, posted at 06.08.09 15:10:21 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 188) : :lol:

  • Comment 191, posted at 06.08.09 15:10:40 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 190) :

    Where is Klempie…???

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  • just to clarify, the rules state that, at my discretion, I will remove potentially blasphemous content. I realise that sometimes posters inadvertently use a term that other consider offensive. I reserve the right to edit such terms, without prejudice to the poster that used them.

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  • @Morné (Comment 190) :

    Hey – as your Cheerleader – I gave it my best shot! ;-)

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  • @robdylan (Comment 188) :

    Lago bucket? is there a bucket full already???????????

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 181) : :mrgreen:

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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 194) :

    I know love.

    But I suppose it is time for us to get back into our boxes (of thinking).

  • Comment 197, posted at 06.08.09 15:17:14 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 181) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 183) : You missed all the drama….welcome back :grin:

  • Comment 198, posted at 06.08.09 15:17:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 176) :
    What was Brent Russels original position. I think I first saw him playing centre for Mpumalanga

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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 194) :

    By the way I dont think this topic will score you free drinks in pubs…

  • Comment 200, posted at 06.08.09 15:18:16 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 195) :

    iago bucket..;-)

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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 189) :
    :oops: Thanks for the spelling lesson. Will send.

  • Comment 202, posted at 06.08.09 15:19:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 195) : I(eye)ago, dont upset It now!

  • Comment 203, posted at 06.08.09 15:19:03 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 201) : Much easier way of doing it! :???:

  • Comment 204, posted at 06.08.09 15:20:38 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 200) :

    Yeah – no worries – I am still working on the previous one… :lol:

    By the reaction on here, I might have to pay for my own drinks..

    BTW – Talking about drink – Dont you guys just LOVE the new Heineken Advert?? :mrgreen: It’s Awsome!

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  • @Morné (Comment 190) : maybe Salmo gets motivated

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 199) :

    He made his Bok debut as a fullback, but just 4 tests later he played flyhalf.

  • Comment 207, posted at 06.08.09 15:22:08 by Morné Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 199) :

    I have no idea, I was of the impression it was wing.

    @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 201) :
    :shock: Thanks. Would love to know what it stood for, if he/she was so ill behaved we coulda asked. :???:

  • Comment 208, posted at 06.08.09 15:22:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Norton done, time for the first of umpteen restarts. :sad:

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  • @Rahul (Comment 204) :

    Woman – on the contrary – does not always complicate matters! :lol:

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 198) :

    Thanks

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  • Nice Article, but i do not agree. Ruan will be run over way too often on defence and he can’t take crash ball, which is required for inside centres in South Africa. A better option would be jacobs if looking for a play making inside. He has the eye for thegap, gets his arms through the tackle and he will make the tackles if he really has to. fourie, morne, adi and jaque. I would like to see that combo one day. :eek:

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 208) :

    Its One of Shakepeare’s most sinister Villains…in Othello – Backstabber..

    RAHUL… :wink: I learn quickly…sometimes!

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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 213) :

    Check out Wikipedia…I think a lot of the characteristics of the original character is / was befitting our own (gone) Villain…:-)

  • Comment 214, posted at 06.08.09 15:28:14 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 205) : What’s the advert about?

    For the record I do love Heineken.

  • Comment 215, posted at 06.08.09 15:28:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 179) : its 2008 – i am talking about – waylon was ok.
    and stef does not cover wings for injuries (that was versatile’s frans job).

  • Comment 216, posted at 06.08.09 15:29:31 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 213) : :lol:

    @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 210) : Yours was easier I mean!

  • Comment 217, posted at 06.08.09 15:31:14 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 200) : so before we get off the topic completely….I was just thinking. What if Ruan really does well at 12 and ends up staying there…then we will never know how good a flyhlaf he really could have been :shock:

  • Comment 218, posted at 06.08.09 15:31:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 218) :

    If Ruan turns out an outstanding 9, 10 or 12 it would be great for our rugby.

    Currently, with Morne in the driving seat Ruan has less pressure on him and can work really hard at his mental game, which is the only thing lacking imo.

    This suggestion above is partly (because Peter de Villiers wants to play him 10) to help groom him into the role of 10, without sacrificing anything in the 10 position (we have Morne there) and given what we got at 12 (which is not much with JDV gone) – we wont be sacrificing much there either…

  • Comment 219, posted at 06.08.09 15:35:59 by Morné Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 217) :

    I Know what you meant..you made it complicated I made it easy..;-)

    @McLovin (Comment 215) :

    It;s a housewarming or something – the woman showing her friends her walk in cupboard with all the shoes and stuff – all the girls YELL with delight

    Then they hearthe guys go bullistic – the hubbyalso have a walk-in cupborad – refridgerated with Heineken…but the reaction of thes eblokes are brilliant – see if yo can perhaps find a clipof it..

  • Comment 220, posted at 06.08.09 15:40:18 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 219) : That was a bit tongue in the cheek, but I still think Ruan must work on his confidence and his kicking and he should be back in no time. If he is the incredible talent that a lot of people think he is….he’ll be back.

  • Comment 221, posted at 06.08.09 15:40:35 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 219) :

    If it’s any consilation (spelling sorry) – the WHOLE day was dedicated to your (and My-not-earning-free-drinks) topic..

  • Comment 222, posted at 06.08.09 15:42:46 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 221) :

    I think his confidence will take a massive boost if the kicking is removed from his responsibilities currently.

    But then if he is benched all the time that will serve little purpose, your best players need to play.

    I would love to see an Adi or Ruan at 12 on the EOYT…

    Watch this space…

  • Comment 223, posted at 06.08.09 15:44:10 by Morné Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 222) :

    Well you know what they say hey!

    If you can get people to at least start talking about something then it might just happen!!!

  • Comment 224, posted at 06.08.09 15:45:13 by Morné Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 222) :

    We are one step closer in taking over the world.

  • Comment 225, posted at 06.08.09 15:46:00 by Morné Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 220) : Seen that, love it. I want one of those. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 226, posted at 06.08.09 15:46:20 by McLovin Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 216) :
    Frans had a headache that day. Stef is a Springbok wing, true.
    Waylon was really good in 2007 but fell away in 2008, I think he got monstered in one of the Super 14 games and never really regained his form of 2007. Maybe tomorrow.

  • Comment 227, posted at 06.08.09 15:46:52 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Ice, I had to rewrite it as it timed out. It has been sent but does not seem at all relevant any more.

  • Comment 228, posted at 06.08.09 15:48:26 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 220) :

  • Comment 229, posted at 06.08.09 15:50:38 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 223) : i will !
    and will try to remember – if Ruan becomes this great 10 without the necessity of playing 12 – then you will excuse me – I shall gloat :mrgreen:

  • Comment 230, posted at 06.08.09 15:52:00 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 230) :

    He could do that too, if we play Morne at 15!!!

    He is already a very good 10, he just cant get his kicking game right.

  • Comment 231, posted at 06.08.09 15:53:30 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 176) :
    Being versatile is both a curse and a blessing.
    A curse, because they keep moving you to where there is a need.
    A blessing, because you are still in the team. The player may always refuse and play CC for a while also.

    I don’t think Steyn or Pienaar should complain about it too much. They both end up playing many more tests than they would have by specializing in one position.

  • Comment 232, posted at 06.08.09 15:55:29 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 231) : Morne at 15 is fine with me.
    This will allow other Steyn at 12 and you kinda have what you wanted – all of them in starting XV just with different numbers.

  • Comment 233, posted at 06.08.09 15:59:04 by rekinek Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 232) :

    Very good point.

  • Comment 234, posted at 06.08.09 16:00:14 by Morné Reply
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  • Nice arti. Was actually thinking the same the other day. With JF at Outside and speedy, strong wings – this may just work.

    The crash ball type attack used by almost all coaches wrt 12, can be done with 13 or wings as well. Ruan can enlighten the backline quite nicely at 12 IMO.

    But I doubt if PdV or Plum would ever play him there.

  • Comment 235, posted at 06.08.09 16:01:07 by Pink Oyster Reply

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  • @Pink Oyster (Comment 235) : Crash ball on the wing? Who is going to clean up… the fetchers are going to get fed up quickly!

  • Comment 236, posted at 06.08.09 16:03:21 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 225) :

    yes, Pinky…we are!!

    @Salmonoid (Comment 228) :

    I replied!

  • Comment 237, posted at 06.08.09 16:03:51 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 223) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 238, posted at 06.08.09 16:04:22 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 123) : @Morné (Comment 192) : I am right here ol ‘buddies, ol’ pals. :)

    I am sorry to see I missed the coup de graz of Iago. :( But I’d like to take some credit for the ground work that went into that if that’s okay.

  • Comment 239, posted at 06.08.09 16:05:08 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 193) : That’s a more than reasonable rule. :cool: A rarity on SW. ;)

  • Comment 240, posted at 06.08.09 16:06:54 by klempie Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 236) : I meant wings acting as centres wrt crash ball. Tuqiri does it regularly for Waratahs – otherwise he sees zero ball.

  • Comment 241, posted at 06.08.09 16:07:14 by Pink Oyster Reply

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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 213) : I prefer to think of it as the name of the ill-mannered parrot from Aladdin. :lol:

  • Comment 242, posted at 06.08.09 16:08:25 by klempie Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 233) :

    Frans is also leaving…

    @Pink Oyster (Comment 235) :

    We are in the minority!!! But welcome.

    @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 237) :

    We are three now… we are growing…

    @klempie (Comment 239) :

    Of course, without you we would have been stuck on 20 comments!!!

  • Comment 243, posted at 06.08.09 16:08:45 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pink Oyster (Comment 241) : Ah, What do you think of 10 as 3rd centre, ala HH?

  • Comment 244, posted at 06.08.09 16:09:42 by Rahul Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 239) : Ja jou ou bliksem, nou kom jy eers hier aan na al die kak verby is. Jy moet maar lekker stront praat ek gaan nou nou huis toe. :cool: Ai sekere goed se net lekkerder in afrikaans. :grin:

  • Comment 245, posted at 06.08.09 16:10:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • It feels like Friday… :sad:

  • Comment 246, posted at 06.08.09 16:10:51 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 246) : wish it was… :cry:

  • Comment 247, posted at 06.08.09 16:12:32 by McLovin Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 239) : The expression coup de grâce (pronounced /?ku?d? ??r??s/; French: [kud???as], “blow of mercy”) means a death blow intended to end the suffering of a wounded creature. The phrase can refer to killing civilians or soldiers, friends or enemies and with or without the consent of the sufferer.

    :grin:

  • Comment 248, posted at 06.08.09 16:12:37 by klempie Reply

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  • :shock: Iago=klempie :shock:

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  • @robdylan (Comment 193) : killjoy…the previous government would be proud :twisted:

  • Comment 250, posted at 06.08.09 16:12:58 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 246) : So wat dink JY van Ruan op 12??

  • Comment 251, posted at 06.08.09 16:13:07 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 242) :

    That characteristic fits too… :lol:

    @Morné (Comment 243) :

    Hey – Rome wasnn’t build in one day, hey!

  • Comment 252, posted at 06.08.09 16:13:15 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 245) : Lekker dag verder.

  • Comment 253, posted at 06.08.09 16:13:45 by klempie Reply

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  • Oh well enough chaos here for one day. My work is done.

    Next week I will do something on why Spies needs to move to 7, Vermeulen to 8, with Juan Smith and Schalk on the bench covering all three loosie positions and lock.

  • Comment 254, posted at 06.08.09 16:13:53 by Morné Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 249) : Paranoia!! :lol:

  • Comment 255, posted at 06.08.09 16:15:13 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 254) : Sound like a better story already :wink:

  • Comment 256, posted at 06.08.09 16:15:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 251) : Before I respond, where is Ruan going after the Trinations?? :shock:

  • Comment 257, posted at 06.08.09 16:16:46 by klempie Reply

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  • Cheers all.

  • Comment 258, posted at 06.08.09 16:17:13 by Morné Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 255) : :lol:

  • Comment 259, posted at 06.08.09 16:17:54 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 250) : The previous government or the previous, previous, previous, previous government? :twisted:

  • Comment 260, posted at 06.08.09 16:18:47 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 257) : Hopefully straight back to 10, before the end of the Trinations. I was against the idea of Ruan at 12…just wondering what your opinion is.

  • Comment 261, posted at 06.08.09 16:18:59 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 260) : :glare:

  • Comment 262, posted at 06.08.09 16:20:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 261) : No but Morras said in his article, “It is a topic I raised yesterday on a forum, and one I believe might be a blessing in disguise given the immanent departures after the Tri-Nations for young Ruan Pienaar” :shock:

  • Comment 263, posted at 06.08.09 16:20:59 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 262) : :oops:

  • Comment 264, posted at 06.08.09 16:21:41 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 243) : ya – forgotten about that – we can always reschuffle adi and jacque. wynand does not seem to be cracking international level (wonder why) –
    maybe it could lead to reintroduction of grant at this level – very quiet about him recently.

    can’t think about other centres – too early for swanepoel.

  • Comment 265, posted at 06.08.09 16:25:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 232) :

    Very valid point that, but you could also look at it from the longevity point of view.

    Does he want to play 15 tests in 3 years and then end his career becasue he is a Jack of all trades and a master of none?

    Or

    Does he want to play 25 tests over 7 years and be considered a master in his position after many years of building to be the master?

  • Comment 266, posted at 06.08.09 16:27:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 263) : that was to confuse us and make us read the entire piece in search for an answer.

    It’s JdV who’s leaving.

  • Comment 267, posted at 06.08.09 16:29:03 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 267) : Oh. Very devious. :cool: I’m impressed. Although, as you can see, he didn’t catch me out. :cool:

    OK. In response to Pokkel, ummmm, I think it’s a decent move as it’ll keep him in the game. Obviously, I’d rather have him at 10. Here’s a thought. What about Ruan at 10 and Lieflinf at 12. Then we’ve got the kicking although I think Lifeling is a little scared of contact so maybe having him running off the back of Ruan would be a bad idea.

  • Comment 268, posted at 06.08.09 16:32:54 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 263) : blessing FOR Pienaar, not departure OF Pienaar

  • Comment 269, posted at 06.08.09 16:40:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 268) : ok – that’s so much out of the box that makes one loose sight of the box completely :mrgreen:

    what about liefling on the wing – they are not expected to do much tackles.

  • Comment 270, posted at 06.08.09 16:42:08 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 269) : I think I was expecting the departures’ names to be provided in the sentence therefore interpreted for as of. :oops:

  • Comment 271, posted at 06.08.09 16:44:39 by klempie Reply

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  • Wow, another huge post, i miss all the fun :twisted: Afternoon all

  • Comment 272, posted at 06.08.09 16:45:34 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 270) : You think Liefling at 12 is a kak idea? He did play there for ages at the Bulls.

  • Comment 273, posted at 06.08.09 16:48:03 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 271) : my first thought was that RP is leaving, luckily im a fast thinker and i realised my mistake

  • Comment 274, posted at 06.08.09 16:48:37 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 270) : No ways he can outpace Habs and Japes.

  • Comment 275, posted at 06.08.09 16:51:11 by klempie Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 274) : What are you trying to say?? :twisted:

  • Comment 276, posted at 06.08.09 16:51:55 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 273) : wasnt M.Steyn a 12 when Liefling was at 10?

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  • @klempie (Comment 273) : it must have been ages ago. i though you had a problem with him running off ruan and tried to provide solution.
    Plus this crash ball – nah. Wing will do better.

    @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 272) : afternoon.

    still with a flu i see :-)

  • Comment 278, posted at 06.08.09 16:53:55 by rekinek Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 276) : its easy to misintepret that phrase :wink:

  • Comment 279, posted at 06.08.09 16:54:41 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 277) : Yup. Liefling was at 12 when Liefling was at 10.

  • Comment 280, posted at 06.08.09 16:54:54 by klempie Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 278) : What about putting him at 13 and putting Adi/Fourie at 12? :???: Less contact.

  • Comment 281, posted at 06.08.09 16:56:08 by klempie Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 278) : yip, untreatable at this stage, waiting for a miracle cure OINK!

  • Comment 282, posted at 06.08.09 16:56:19 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • if 40000 odd men called me liefling, id be scared of contact aswell :mrgreen:

  • Comment 283, posted at 06.08.09 16:59:22 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 275) : ruan will do the scoring tries bit. we need liefling purely for kicking. and not to close to scrummy because than he will not pass. 12 is perfect because if there is need to pass ruan can skip him.

  • Comment 284, posted at 06.08.09 17:02:12 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 284) : So we’re in agreement. Ruan at 10 and Liefling at 12. I’ll try get the message through to the Bok coaching staff; DM, JS and Victoria…

  • Comment 285, posted at 06.08.09 17:05:00 by klempie Reply

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  • is liefing coming back to SA or what, im not going to read through the entire post :???:

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  • Does the bulls 10 automatically become Liefling or is there some miraculous feat that he must perform before the blue people officialy induct him.

  • Comment 287, posted at 06.08.09 17:08:25 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Has Liefling not signed for Saracens?

  • Comment 288, posted at 06.08.09 17:09:41 by McLovin Reply

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  • I’m out. Later dudes.

  • Comment 289, posted at 06.08.09 17:11:24 by klempie Reply

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  • no one going to answer our questions? :evil:

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  • @McLovin (Comment 288) : Yes he has. Not sure for how long though.

  • Comment 291, posted at 06.08.09 17:25:09 by McLovin Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 286) : no idea. we were just wondering who can do the kicking and from which position if ruan is to stay at 10. Klempie introduced liefling somehow.

  • Comment 292, posted at 06.08.09 17:32:01 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 292) : i think klempie is still in the closet :wink:

  • Comment 293, posted at 06.08.09 17:34:25 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 286) : there are some disadvantages of long posts. :roll:

    @klempie (Comment 289) : cheerioo

  • Comment 294, posted at 06.08.09 17:36:02 by rekinek Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 293) : i though he wondered off the box … so you say straight to the closet .. hmmm (whose closet?)

  • Comment 295, posted at 06.08.09 17:38:46 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 295) : a closet bull or a …. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 296, posted at 06.08.09 17:45:01 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • got to go, enjoy

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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 297) : cheerioo

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  • :?:

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 299) : what? :-)

  • Comment 300, posted at 06.08.09 20:08:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • Useronline shows no members as being nline on my side.

    I KNEW I was online but it didn’t show. Now i KNOW you are online and it doesn’t show. :?: :?: :?:

    I know mobile users don’t show as being online on occasion but as to why i don’t show???????

  • Comment 301, posted at 06.08.09 20:11:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 301) : it never shows Rob – i think he is undercover :roll:

    i have 7 users online.

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  • @rekinek (Comment 302) :

    I also have 7 online. (6 now) 2 users (you and Fatmann) a guest and 3 BOTS.

    Seems i am also undercover now :(

  • Comment 303, posted at 06.08.09 20:20:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 303) : i would imagine blog owners have some priviliges :wink:

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  • I prefer not to log in when I just want to read kakka! :twisted:

    @robdylan (Comment 269) :

    Ahhhhh, English comprehension…

    One day I might do a dutchie article on that! :grin:

  • Comment 305, posted at 06.08.09 21:06:42 by Morné Reply
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  • Rob

    You see what happens when I am not around?? :roll:

    I am the glue that keeps this place together!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 306, posted at 06.08.09 21:20:30 by wpw Reply
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  • no wes you’re no glue you sniff glue! :D

  • Comment 307, posted at 06.08.09 21:44:33 by quota Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 306) : I blame you for this mess. I thought you’d told her how we work here

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 301) : no clue dude

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  • Interesting article Morne – I agree that a good 10 can be groomed at 12, but I dont think SA style suits that. If anything, Morne Steyn would work at 12.

    I think it will turn out to be a moot point though, as Ruan just needs to work on his kicking.

    @robdylan (Comment 308) :
    Agreed, there is nothing more annoying than an anonymous poster with an insecurity complex; Wes, please spare us this ilk in the future.

  • Comment 310, posted at 06.08.09 22:26:03 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 310) : Everyone sems to forget that Ruan kicked us to victory in the first Lions Test in Durban. Suddenly there’s no place for him in the team.

    Anyway, PDV was talking about Morne’s shortcomings and seemed to believe he has a lot of areas to brush up on. Ruan is his golden boy and I don’t think we should read anything into the fact that his return from injury is to the bench and not the starting lineup, simply because of the fact that it IS a return from injury.

  • Comment 311, posted at 07.08.09 07:51:55 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 308) : was she a she, hmmm – would have never guessed.

    @Baldrick (Comment 311) : I was actually thinking that being away from fans shouting’s morne’s name my do wonders for ruan – or not. we will see. On the other hand though though: c’mon he is a professional should be passed that.

  • Comment 312, posted at 07.08.09 09:31:01 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 312) :

    I DID call her “sister”…;-)

  • Comment 313, posted at 07.08.09 09:33:42 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 308) :

    In Wes’s dfense..he did ask her and quota to read the rules…cannot remember who – but they posted that the chose NOT TO.. :wink:

  • Comment 314, posted at 07.08.09 09:35:15 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 314) : please copy & paste the comment where i said that! I beg you..

    And why all of a sudden is it quota & iago?

    Who have robdylan banned, myself or iago?

    Have i transgressed any of the site’s rules?

  • Comment 315, posted at 07.08.09 09:44:58 by quota Reply

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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 314) :
    @quota (Comment 315) :
    Oh man, Ys, do you ever know how to make enemies! :lol:

  • Comment 316, posted at 07.08.09 09:49:56 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 313) : but she did not sounded like one.

    you know – i was called bru … :wink:

  • Comment 317, posted at 07.08.09 09:53:49 by rekinek Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 315) : you have not been banned, as I’m sure you can tell.

    Although I don’t like your username much, I must say, I quite enjoy your commentary here. I hope you stick around. :mrgreen:

    Iago, on the other hand, has been banned, as I’m sure everyone has worked out by now.

  • Comment 318, posted at 07.08.09 09:54:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 317) : and “dude” as well – if recall correctly :mrgreen:

  • Comment 319, posted at 07.08.09 09:55:13 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 318) :
    The Rob giveth, and the Rob taketh away…

  • Comment 320, posted at 07.08.09 09:57:41 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 320) : and then the Rob spendeth the next two days responding to childish emails :) That’ll teach me.

  • Comment 321, posted at 07.08.09 10:01:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 318) : hey robdylan, i just want to find out what is your policy here (since you seem to be a stickler for rules) on blogger privacy? Is my anonimity a priority to you or do you think you can distribute my private email address to other bloggers as you please?

  • Comment 322, posted at 07.08.09 10:04:09 by quota Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 315) :

    Slow down now – I meant either of you – i am not sure who. said that they chose not to..

    For some reason I presumed you were a pair…you almost always posted at the same time..no Avatars to differentiate…so I was not sure which one it was – Okay?

    And I am not going to sift through almost 500 comments to copy and paste that..

    @Big Fish (Comment 316) :

    And now YOU calling me “MAN” too?? ;-) No I dont! I am the Peacemaker!! LOL

  • Comment 323, posted at 07.08.09 10:05:39 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 319) :

    Yep me to…and quota calls me Iceman!! :lol:

  • Comment 324, posted at 07.08.09 10:07:58 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 323) :
    I’m going to buy you “How to win friends and influence people” for your birthday. :wink:

  • Comment 325, posted at 07.08.09 10:20:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 325) :

    Am I really THAT bad… :sad:

  • Comment 326, posted at 07.08.09 10:24:21 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 326) :
    I are joking.

    But its been fun to watch you be so civilised – I did not expect that. :twisted:

  • Comment 327, posted at 07.08.09 10:26:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 323) : fine iceman, just wanted clarity…

    Where is robdylan now?

  • Comment 328, posted at 07.08.09 10:27:17 by quota Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 322) : Keeping my site clean is my priority.

    As I explained to your annoying friend, the only people I shared her email address with are fellow administrators of the site who have access to the registration database anyway. You should ask her to forward the second email to you as well.

  • Comment 329, posted at 07.08.09 10:27:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 328) : Quota – perhaps it would be best if you sent me an email if you want to discuss any of this further. Like I said above, I have no beef with you but I’m not prepared to discuss this any further on the blog.

  • Comment 330, posted at 07.08.09 10:36:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 327) :

    Do you know me to be any other way?? :wink:

  • Comment 331, posted at 07.08.09 10:40:23 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 331) :

    And I am sure I am dearly loved by about 99% on this site… :lol: :twisted:

  • Comment 332, posted at 07.08.09 10:41:42 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 332) : ice, are you man or woman?

  • Comment 333, posted at 07.08.09 10:48:49 by quota Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 333) :

    Last time i looked, I was a lady.. :lol:

  • Comment 334, posted at 07.08.09 10:53:01 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 327) :

    Should we put a stop to that?? Should i become the biets of the blog again?? :twisted:

  • Comment 335, posted at 07.08.09 10:56:32 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 334) :
    But you can understand the confusion – you do come across a bit manly at times.

    In a good way, of course.

  • Comment 336, posted at 07.08.09 10:57:53 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 333) :

    I thought that would be CLEAR?? If I was acting all girlie – like I normally do – and I was a man – I sure as hell would not have been a Sharks supporter – that’s for the Wp okes!! :lol:

  • Comment 337, posted at 07.08.09 10:58:10 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 336) :

    :shock: How SO??

    See # 337…

    We are clearly not on the same wavelenght@! :wink:

  • Comment 338, posted at 07.08.09 11:00:40 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 338) :
    Oh, you are such easy meat today! :evil:

    You are losing your touch! :lol:

  • Comment 339, posted at 07.08.09 11:04:53 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 332) : 99.5% :)

  • Comment 340, posted at 07.08.09 11:05:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 337) : if quota is WeePee then maybe Big Fish should persist with this book :mrgreen:

  • Comment 341, posted at 07.08.09 11:06:54 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 340) : methinks you just sent the Prof on the hunt for 0.5% :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 342, posted at 07.08.09 11:08:45 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 340) :

    keep going!! I like the rating climbing!!! ;-)

    @rekinek (Comment 341) :

    LOL!!

    @Big Fish (Comment 339) :

    Ouch!! THAT hurts!! hehehehe

  • Comment 343, posted at 07.08.09 11:11:13 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 342) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: You know me waaayyy to well, Girlfriend! :wink:

  • Comment 344, posted at 07.08.09 11:12:23 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • Keep an eye on your watches & calendars ladies & gents.

    At 12:34:56 today it will be 12:34:56 07/08/09

  • Comment 345, posted at 07.08.09 11:18:41 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 345) :

    Ohhh – and ate TWELVE – ALL WOMAN MUST MAKE A HUGE NOISE!!!! :grin:

  • Comment 346, posted at 07.08.09 11:21:23 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) (Comment 346) : Why?

  • Comment 347, posted at 07.08.09 11:23:36 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 347) :

    Some initiative for celebrating woman – First For Woman Insurance..

    http://www.ffwmakeanoise.co.za = or something..

    For me..I just like to make a noise , simple.. :lol:

  • Comment 348, posted at 07.08.09 11:33:25 by Prof. Ice (Thunder Horse) Reply
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