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Fourie v Lions could end up in court


Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :In the news on 13 Aug 2009 at 21:23
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World Cup-winning Springbok centre Jaque Fourie is prepared to go the legal route to get out of his contract with the Golden Lions, as he strives to join Western Province.

Fourie’s lawyer, Frikkie Erasmus, told rugby365 on Thursday that the player is determined to end his seven-year association with the Johannesburg-based team.

However, there is a “process” to be followed and, according to Erasmus, court action would be a last resort.

Although there are some French offers on the table, Erasmus confirmed that a move to Cape Town is first prize for Fourie.

“He is not really interested in the French offers, even though they claim he has come to an agreement with them. He is looking at Western Province,” Erasmus told rugby365.

Erasmus also confirmed that they have already written to the Lions to request that Fourie be released from his ‘contract’, which runs till October 2010.

According to Erasmus the next step, should the Golden Lions Rugby Union remain stubborn, would be to go through the South African Rugby Union’s “dispute process” and after that they will consider court action.

“We haven’t had a response from the Lions yet, but we are confident Jaque will be released to join Western Province,” Erasmus said, adding that the document the Lions are relying on to keep Fourie in Johannesburg is not a contract.

Fourie’s departure will not be the first time that the Lions are involved in a dispute with a player determined to leave the union.

Retired Springbok utility forward AJ Venter went to court to have his contract torn up when he wanted to join the Sharks in 2000.

Bok prop Brian Mujati, who has signed with Northampton Saints this year, also went through the SARU ‘dispute procedure’ when he joined Western Province from the Lions last year.

When Fourie is eventually cleared to join WP, he will be the latest in an ever growing list of senior players who has departed from the Lions since to controversial axing of former coach Eugene Eloff.

Those who have already left or will leave at the end of the season for greener pastures include Springbok flyhalf André Pretorius (Western Force), Ernst Joubert (Saracens, England), Anton van Zyl (Western Province), Ethienne Reynecke (Saracens, England),  Willie Wepener (Clermont-Auvergne, France) and Dewald Senekal (Toulon, France).



93 Comments

  • Good times!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.08.09 21:27:01 by wpw Reply
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  • Erasmus is talking through his arse. If there is no contract with the Lions as he claims “adding that the document the Lions are relying on to keep Fourie in Johannesburg is not a contract” then why did he even request a release.

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.08.09 22:10:58 by MysticShark Reply
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  • I would say “He is a lawyer so you can’t believe shit that comes from his mouth” but that would be wrong.

    It’s be more correct to say “He is a lawyer, only shit comes from his mouth.” :oops:

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.08.09 22:22:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Erasmus said, adding that the document the Lions are relying on to keep Fourie in Johannesburg is not a contract.

    Some classic double speak from the Erasmi’s 2IC.

    The document they are relying on is not a contract, but there is actually another document and THAT is a contract. :???:

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.08.09 22:25:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Enter Sandman playing on VH1. That may be my cue for bed.

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.08.09 22:29:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 5) : i think my cue is that heavy feeling in my eyes

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.08.09 22:39:44 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 6) :

    I am waiting to see what is #1 on the countdown. :sad:

    At #4 now. :razz:

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.08.09 22:41:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) : this may be a random question, wat does the k in ksa stand for?

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.08.09 22:47:25 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 8) : :razz:

    Anything but random actually. :smile:

    Many have asked the question and I presume it is because they think the SA stands for South Africa.

    But it stands for
    Kingdom of
    Saudi
    Arabia

    and of course to take the mickey on occasion they will say it stands for

    Kroonstad (where I went to school)
    South
    Africa
    :wink:

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.08.09 22:51:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) :

    Oh and KSA is the country where I live and work at the moment.

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.08.09 22:53:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 9) : ok, thought it was something like that, i gathered the sa was saudi arabia, did u go to rooi skool or blou skool (i was at welkom gim for a while and we played rugby against them)

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.08.09 22:56:31 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 11) :

    Rooi and Blou skool were our opposition. :wink:

    I was an Ampie. HTS De Wet Nel.

    There used to be EXCELLENT rivalry between the four Kroostad schools in my day

    Hoer Landbou
    De Wet Nel
    Afrikaanse Hoerskool (Rooies)
    Kroonstad Hoerskool (Bloues)

    Used to have derby days every so often where the age group A teams and the 1st teams from each school would play each other at Heckroodt park. 4 schools 2 1st team matches in the afternoon. THOSE were the days.

    Local atcletics meets were also awesome.

    In recent years (not sure when) it seems the schools have amalgamated and only Rooies and Bloues are left.

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.08.09 23:02:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 11) :

    We played against the Welkom schools every season as well
    Hentie Cilliers (Odendaalsrus)
    Gimnasium
    HTS Welkom

    And I am sure there were more.

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.08.09 23:05:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 12) : yeah that was before my time then, but my school rugby memories are still fond, good times! :grin: , anyway, im out,

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.08.09 23:07:34 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 14) :

    YIP pumpkin hour has come and gone. I need to get to bed as well.

    Cheers Sleep well.

    Oh and welcome to the team BTW, I haven’t had a chance to say that before.

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.08.09 23:10:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 3) : only “sauce” comes from his mouth :twisted:

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.08.09 08:34:09 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 11) : you went to Welkom Gim? A lot of the guys in the current Sharks under 21 team did as well…

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.08.09 09:17:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • If he has no valid contract why go to court?

    If he has a valid contract then surely a transfer fee would get him out of his contract. :roll:

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.08.09 09:19:36 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 18) :

    That would be to simple though.

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.08.09 09:33:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) : :mrgreen: I sometimes forget this is SA rugby we’re dealing with. :twisted:

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.08.09 09:37:59 by McLovin Reply

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  • Lions should save there money and just release him…but then again Rassies ambulance chaser is probably trying to intimidate them with there is no contract bollocks.

    I mean if a player deosn’t want to be there, he doesn’t want to be there – i guess WP just don’t want to pay for him.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.08.09 09:38:16 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 21) : I reckon your last sentence hits the nail on the head. :twisted:

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.08.09 09:42:57 by McLovin Reply

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  • The lions just released a press statement

    The release reads: “The Golden Lions Rugby Union confirms that it has a fixed term contract of employment with Jaque Fourie until 31 October 2010.

    The GLRU is not releasing Jaque Fourie from his contract and is looking forward to his return from the Springbok squad, joining the Xerox Lions for the latter part of the Currie Cup season.

    Parties to a contract should respect and honor the obligations contained within a contract in order to preserve the principle of contractual stability.

    The GLRU confirms that until today they have not received any request from Western Province to enter into negotiations with Jaque Fourie. In terms of SARU and the International Rugby Boards (IRB) regulations, it is expressly prohibited to induce or attempt to induce any contract player who has a written agreement with a Union, unless the prior written consent of that Union has been obtained.

    Western Province is therefore inducing a breach of contract. The GLRU believes that rugby contracts between Unions and players must be honored and respected. There should be no tolerance when it comes to contractual breaches, whether by other Unions or the player.”

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.08.09 10:17:26 by walter van Lions World Reply

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  • @walter van Lions World (Comment 23) : in other words, it’s Lions v Frikkie, round 2!

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.08.09 10:33:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 3) :
    You are looking for trouble. :evil:

    @walter van Lions World (Comment 23) :
    In my opinion, let the bugger go if he wants to leave. Foul play by WP and JF, but its not worth the effort of keeping a reluctant player.

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.08.09 10:34:18 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @walter van Lions World (Comment 23) :

    Seems a bit of deja vu here…

    What was the result last time round?

    Unions keep players on their books through restraint of trade clauses, not employement contracts…

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.08.09 10:43:02 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Anyway, although a WP supporter, it must be said that the Lions have made their own bed.

    Expecting a player of Jaques’ quality to play for a union that hasnt got its act together for years now is not in SA Rugby’s best interests.

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.08.09 10:44:13 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 15) : thanks man, im definitley enjoying it so far

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.08.09 10:50:38 by war1 Reply
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  • I’m actually firmly in the Lions camp here… if a player has signed a contract, he should honour it.

    And yes, I realise that this stand may well scupper some of the Sharks alleged plans as well, but dammit, right is right!

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.08.09 10:52:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : yeah, but i was only there from halfway thru std. 6 til halfway thru std.7, it was one of the four high schools i went to, what u get wen ur dad works on a mine :roll:

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.08.09 10:52:59 by war1 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : agreed, let’s not become like roundball, i think it is inevitable to be honest, with transfer fees and all the rest, but i like rugby the way it is

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.08.09 10:54:28 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 30) : I understand. So you were long gone by the time Jandre Marais, Wynand Pienaar and the others arrived.

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.08.09 11:06:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : yeah they probably only arrived six months to a year and a half after i left

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.08.09 11:12:09 by war1 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : :grin: While i believe a person should honour his contract – surely the empahsis is on the contractor to ensure its watertight – so a situation like this doesn’t show up – or alternatively take into account on a long term ( more than 24 months) that a situation may arise where a player isn’t being picked or doesn’t want to remain at the Union – that there is a get otu clasue where everyone is happy….player and Union.

    So quite frankly if there is a fault its the contractor or his lawyer who need to wake up.

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.08.09 11:38:24 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 25) :

    Touchy!! :wink:

    But I agree with you…

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.08.09 11:40:41 by Prof. Ice Babe(Super Girl) Reply
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  • Surely the Lions have nothing to gain from not releasing Fourie.

    Like I said if WP pay up, I’m sure they’d be happy to let him leave.

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.08.09 11:42:17 by McLovin Reply

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  • well – I’ve just reliably learned that Louis Ludick is in pretty much the same situation…

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.08.09 11:49:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • another one of those players that has been with us for 8 seasons, in which he played 35 Currie Cup matches, 4.3 matches per season…

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.08.09 11:50:47 by walter van Lions World Reply

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  • a@robdylan (Comment 37) :

    And WA as well I’m sure

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.08.09 11:52:38 by walter van Lions World Reply

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  • @walter van Lions World (Comment 39) : who knows? Haven’t managed to get an answer on that one.

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.08.09 11:59:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 34) :

    I gotta agree.

    It’s still only a contrcat fo employement and if there have been fundamental changes to the conditions of employemnt, which there have been with all the drama over their coaching staff etc, then the goalposts have moved and it invalidates the promises he made.

    Fourie staying at the Lions can only damage his career over the long-term.

    You really cant expect a player to give his heart and soul for a union that is in a shambles and that he no longer wants to be with.

    I reckon this is all just posturing by the Lions to get WP to buy him out.
    And if the contrcat is not water-tight then there will be ntohing to pay.
    Fourie’s wife has publicly stated she wants to move to Cape Town and looking at her I’m sure Jaque will bend over backwards to make that come true for her… what a gentleman.

    This sint the same as with WO as his union is still strong, even stronger than when he originally signed.

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.08.09 13:01:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I see a report on News24 suggesting that Fourie will now stay with the Lions, based on that press release.

    I think they’re jumping the gun somewhat

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.08.09 13:06:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) :

    They said the same thing about Mujati. Seems to be posturing.

    Simple fact is you cant hide the utter incompetence of the union behind an employment contract. Especially not one that might not be a contract after all.

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.08.09 13:11:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 43) : fair enough… but I’m thinking more about the spirit than the letter…

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.08.09 13:36:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) :

    Ironically, me too Rob!

    If the Lions management got their act together their players wouldnt want to leave and they wouldnt need to go to court to keep thier players in the province. Fourie isnt the first one to jump ship and unfortunately they only have themsevles to blame.
    So I’m also thinking more fo the spirit than the letter of the law.
    If the letter supports my stance I’m even happier!

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.08.09 13:51:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : Spirit has no place in business unless you on the committee who deals with my salary – and a business that claims to operate within the spirt of the game is lying more than Dick Nixon ever could :lol:

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.08.09 13:52:22 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Thing is, like Mujati, they didn’t get clearance from the union to speak to fourie and should be punishyed for it. Hell, I even heard Chris Jack didn’t have a work permit but still played for WP when we couldn’t get Hernandez for the exact same thing…. They seem to be a law unto themselves and just shows why I dislike them so much.

    The GLRU confirms that until today they have not received any request from Western Province to enter into negotiations with Jaque Fourie. In terms of SARU and the International Rugby Boards (IRB) regulations, it is expressly prohibited to induce or attempt to induce any contract player who has a written agreement with a Union, unless the prior written consent of that Union has been obtained.

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.08.09 13:56:55 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 47) : oh yeah, but everyone does it anyway.

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.08.09 13:59:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 47) : We just choose not to deal with incompetence – try deal iwht Lions you get press releases, try deal with Home affairs just kill yourself….. :lol:

    I have to be honest – i am no fan of the WP crowd and how they roll, but be honest would you stay at a job you didn’t like because you have a contract? I mean 99% of employment contracts have a notice period why shouldn’t rugby players?

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.08.09 14:01:29 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 47) : I don’t think Jack & Hernandez’s situation was the same. Wasn’t the delay with Hernandez also to do with his club dragging their feet.

    And if Jack didn’t have a work permit that would be illegal and I’m sure all the other provinces would have bleated about it.

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.08.09 14:05:01 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 49) : Fourie has an 18 month notice period. They’ve told him he can go at the end of next year :)

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.08.09 14:09:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : But we have already had Rassies Ambulance chaser point out that the contract is a fail of note

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.08.09 14:13:33 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • There do seem to be some really scaly operators at the WPRU.
    Other than those already mentioned they also made their last coach (Kobus vd merewe?) an offer he couldnt refuse to leave Griquas in the middle of the season.

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.08.09 14:23:48 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 49) : Poor Fourie, got a contract and can’t get out.

    One thing we should all remember, no-one coerced him into signing it, and I bet he happily spent the cheques when they were coming in each month.

    You are bound contractually to a contract.

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.08.09 14:24:42 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 54) :
    Lets not be too harsh here – JF has stuck with them for a long time. I feel sorry for the Lions, but the admin is to blame, and JF is no different to me, in that I am loyal to my employer to a point, but will leave under the right circumstances.

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.08.09 14:30:58 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 53) :

    I am sure they are not too sorry about that now!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.08.09 14:35:07 by Prof. Ice Babe(Super Girl) Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 55) : Yeah, but rugby is different, we can all probably be replaced fairly easily, but a Springbok? There are only so many of them and so you tie them up. If they don’t want to stay, they shouldn’t sign 2 or 3 year contracts. JF has been at the top for a while now, it’s not like he didn’t know what he was getting in for when he did sign. I know the Sharks wanted him a good 4 years ago apparently and he didn’t come, was happy enough up there.

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.08.09 14:35:23 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 47) :

    Reading between the lines, and you can be sure this is the flavour that will be given to it, is that Jaque approached them, not the other way around.

    The man is obviously not happy in a union that would rather go to court to protect their “assets” than actually do something to make them happy and actually want them to stay.
    The issue with the coach last year when all the players stuck up for him – GLRU shoved him out the door anyway.

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.08.09 14:45:34 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • jaque fourie is over-rated.

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.08.09 14:46:59 by quota Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 57) :

    Rugby is no different from many jobs Baldrick.

    In investment banking you have rainmakers that bring in gazillions, they are truly irrepalceable.
    What do the banks do – they pay them so much that they wouldnt even think of leaving. Then they put in long-term benefits that these guys will lose if they go work for the competition.
    they use both the carrot and stick approach with the high-flyers.
    GLRU only want to use the stick.

    JF will be playing at Province by the end of the year if he wants to.

    GLRU have shown they cant write a contract for shit. I dount they could even find the courthouse.

    Player contractign is very much like being a opensider – you push the boundaries until you get told to stop.

    It’s irrelevant anyway – when the GL come last in next year’s s14 they’ll need to make way fro the Spears anyway. And then there will really not be a team left.

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.08.09 14:49:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 59) :

    Lol. Roer daai pot. Ja nee.

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.08.09 14:49:42 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Ok – another twist to this saga… :roll:

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.08.09 14:54:18 by blackshark Reply

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  • Batman is overrated.

    Same as Knight Rider in a gimp suit.

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.08.09 14:56:56 by McLovin Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 60) : Fair call and yes, Lions hardly have a great track record, any record for that matter.

    Fact is, JF signed 2-3 year contract (and I heard the Lions tied Heinke in for 5 years a few year back), so it is up to the player to sign a deal that long. FOurie, if he wasn’t happy with a 2 or 3 year deal didn’t have to sign. Anyway, he did get a opt-out clause for overseas, so he got plenty out of the deal.

    I also blame agents in many of these debacles. On a level with second hand car salesmen rip-off artists.

  • Comment 64, posted at 14.08.09 15:03:29 by Baldrick Reply

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  • The soccer players mostly sign long term contracts not? Like 3-5 years and still move around plenty thanks to transfer fees. Why not do the same with rugby? Surely then SH teams can profit when a player then decides to go for the Pounds/Euros.

  • Comment 65, posted at 14.08.09 15:08:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • Didn’t Munster just pay WP a million bucks to release JdV early?

    Problem solved, everybody’s a winner.

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.08.09 15:09:58 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 64) : I think I’m going to become an agent…

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.08.09 15:11:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 65) :

    That’s where the money is at…5 year contract = 3 years…the last 2 are for making money. Teams normally offload players who have 1 year left – just to cash in on the deal instead of waiting until the player is a free-agent.

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.08.09 15:23:32 by blackshark Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 3) : :shock:

  • Comment 69, posted at 14.08.09 15:43:43 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 25) : i was reading not so long ago that he did’t have plans to leave joburg.

    about keeping reluctant player – bulls kept bakkies in 2007 (and he didn’t misbehave :wink:

  • Comment 70, posted at 14.08.09 15:47:47 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : maybe he should abscond :lol: or desert his workplace (better word)- happens all the tiime :roll:

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.08.09 15:52:32 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 70) : ah yes – a precedent.

    I think it helped a lot that Victor came back, though.

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.08.09 16:07:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 72) : yip – the long distance relationships are difficult :roll:

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.08.09 16:19:37 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 73) : LOL :)

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.08.09 17:03:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • jaque fourie is a poor man’s stirling mortlock, plus he can’t kick to save his life

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.08.09 17:07:00 by quota Reply

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  • him & wynand olivier were the centre combination when the boks got walloped 49-0 in brisbane in 2006…they were the centre combo that lost the 3rd test to the b&i lions in 2009, coincidence?

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.08.09 17:09:45 by quota Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 76) : nice :) Didn’t realise that

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.08.09 17:22:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 76) : Probably. Who we’re the centres in all the other Bok losses? :wink:

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.08.09 17:24:19 by McLovin Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 76) : I could be wrong but I seem to remember that there were 13 other players with them on the field on both those occasions. :twisted:

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.08.09 17:32:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 76) :

    Let us not forget though that one Jaco “I can take a drop kick from inside my own 22″ vd Westhuyzen was the flyhalf though. :razz:

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.08.09 17:57:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 76) :

    They have only started 4 test together as the center pairing though.

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.08.09 18:01:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 80) : i’m quite aware that the pole climber was @ pivot…

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.08.09 18:25:56 by quota Reply

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  • Who cares about the LIONS…

    If they keep being stubborn I will rally against it…

    Not ozz I don’t rate JFourie (he is the best centre in the world afterall)…but it is more improtant to SA that JFourie is part of a great structure where he can stay consistant than what it is for the LIONS to be happy cozz at the LIONS he wont see any ball anyways….

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.08.09 19:32:17 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 83) : is this a revolt?

  • Comment 84, posted at 14.08.09 19:57:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 76) :
    Here’s the complete team.
    Why blame the centers for the loss and not the complete team:

    15 FB PC Montgomery
    14 W AZ Ndungane
    13 C J Fourie
    12 C W Olivier
    11 W BG Habana
    10 FH JNB van der Westhuyzen
    9 SH ER Januarie
    1 P JP du Randt
    2 H WJ Smit (c)
    3 P CJ van der Linde
    4 L DJ Rossouw
    5 L V Matfield
    6 F JC van Niekerk
    7 F JH Smith
    8 N8 PJ Spies
    Replacements
    16 H D Coetzee
    17 P EP Andrews
    18 L PA van den Berg
    19 F J Cronje
    20 SH PF du Preez
    21 FH HM Bosman
    22 W BJ Paulse

  • Comment 85, posted at 14.08.09 20:52:57 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 85) : did i blame or did i just state a fact? Fallback partner…

  • Comment 86, posted at 14.08.09 20:58:46 by quota Reply

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  • I can’t remember Wynand having a good game for the Boks and he played over 20 tests (if I’m not mistaken) :roll:

  • Comment 87, posted at 14.08.09 21:33:23 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 87) : lol…

  • Comment 88, posted at 14.08.09 22:01:10 by quota Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 88) :

    He has 23 caps!! :shock:

    KEO reckons Wynand would be a better bet than Adi at 12. bwahahahahahahahahaha

  • Comment 89, posted at 14.08.09 22:24:36 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 89) : well, he DOES have nicer hair…

  • Comment 90, posted at 14.08.09 23:19:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 90) :
    Says the hair connoisseur…

  • Comment 91, posted at 15.08.09 08:45:36 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 91) : gah

  • Comment 92, posted at 15.08.09 09:10:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 91) : come now big fish, robdylan’s got a good mop on his head…

  • Comment 93, posted at 15.08.09 09:14:37 by quota Reply

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