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Habana ready to play Province


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Stormers on 17 Aug 2009 at 09:40
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I think I’m starting to recognise Bernie Habana’s modus operandi. If historical precedent is anything to go by, then Bryan Habana’s much publicised “exploratory talks” with Rassie Erasmus today will turn out to be nothing other than a ploy to get more money out of the Bulls.

Just to set the scene a little, it has been widely reported that Bok winger Habana, who comes off contract with the Bulls at the end of the season, will meet with Stormers supremo Rassie Erasmus in Cape Town today to discuss a potential move to the Cape next year. Bernie Habana, who is Bryan’s father and “representative” will also be in attendance, as will WP Rugby Managing Director Rob Wagner. Habana apparently has a written offer on the table to stay with the Bulls, as well as the typical slew of big-money deals from France. Habana Senior claims that they have nothing against which to compare the Bulls offer, hence the decision to try and up the ante by getting into negotiations with Wagner and Erasmus.

I wouldn’t get terribly excited about the prospect of Habana playing for the Stormers, fans. This manoeuvre has all the hallmarks of a typical Bernie-esque bluff, only the 2009 version sees WP as the patsy. In 2006, he pulled the same trick with the Sharks.

Nobody is quite sure what the legal basis is for Habana Senior’s actions. He claims to represent not only his son, but also Bakkies Botha and Wynand Olivier, yet he is not accredited as an official agent in the eyes of the national governing body. He has no recognised authority to negotiate on behalf of these players, yet seems to do so anyway. He was a central figure in the messy spat over Botha’s contractual dispute with the Blue Bulls last year, allegedly even threatening to encourage Olivier and Habana Junior to strike should the Bulls not annul a contract that Botha had signed to play for them until 2011.

Habana was also instrumental in a supposed 2006 coup that would have seen all three players join the Sharks for frankly ludicrous sums of money. It all turned out to be an elaborate ruse, though – the players never had any intention of leaving Pretoria and Habana played Rudolf Straueli like a fiddle, as he used the generous Sharks offers to force the Bulls to pay far more than they were offering in order to retain the services of all three players.

Like I said, Province fans shouldn’t get their hopes up too much about Habana. The trick has already worked once, with Wynand Olivier again being used as bait – this time dangled in front of the WP contracting team – only to recommit to the Bulls, no doubt for a substantially higher price than would otherwise have been on the table. Don’t be too surprised to see Habana Junior recommit to the Bulls in a few weeks time, for an absolutely record sum.

This after the Cape media cabal have worked themselves up into a froth about how potent their back line will be in next year’s super 14, having learned all sorts of “open secrets” from “reliable sources” that Habana’s move is a “done deal”. It’s all laughably predictable, isn’t it?



72 Comments

  • I suspect you are right.

    Spot on about the WP media too – they had written reams already about JF and Wynand within days of the rumours surfacing. :roll:

  • Comment 1, posted at 17.08.09 09:44:03 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 1) : am I the only one who is starting to wonder whether the Fourie move will come off?

  • Comment 2, posted at 17.08.09 09:48:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • You’d think the Bulls would learn. Maybe call his bluff this time.

  • Comment 3, posted at 17.08.09 09:53:42 by McLovin Reply

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  • Then again surely the Erasmi would be wise to these tactics.

  • Comment 4, posted at 17.08.09 09:54:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) :

    i dont know – what I’ve heard is that the Lions wont let him go…BUT – will he be professional enough to give it his all for the remeiander of the contract??

    Very lekker arti by the way… :wink:

  • Comment 5, posted at 17.08.09 10:00:31 by Prof. Ice Babe(Super Girl) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice Babe(Super Girl) (Comment 5) : ag fanks.

    Apparently Louis Ludick is in exactly the same situation as Fourie, BTW.

  • Comment 6, posted at 17.08.09 10:10:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • good one bernie!

    I’ve always read that habana senior is bryan’s manager, so “representative” is new to me. His job is to seek the best deal for his clients like any other business or asset manager.

    Surely the blue bulls have a cordial & open relationship with all their players & everything habana does will be above board

  • Comment 7, posted at 17.08.09 10:41:09 by quota Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 7) : surely you jest!

  • Comment 8, posted at 17.08.09 10:43:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • Any big name player is wasting his time moving to WP. The union has only gone backwards in the last few years. When did a senior side last win anything? Why would WP need to buy a wing when they have a few, but not look at buying a decent prop, scrum half and flyhalf?

  • Comment 9, posted at 17.08.09 10:47:19 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 9) : Ricky Januarie is planning on moving into the front row nest year

  • Comment 10, posted at 17.08.09 10:56:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Loosehead (Comment 9) :

    That’s pretty darn rich coming from a Lions supporter!! :twisted:

  • Comment 11, posted at 17.08.09 11:05:38 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : :lol:

  • Comment 12, posted at 17.08.09 11:06:05 by willa Reply

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  • I wonder is Rassie gets commission on the improved offers that the players get from the Bulls ? :evil:

  • Comment 13, posted at 17.08.09 11:08:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 14, posted at 17.08.09 11:09:51 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : about what exactly? This is professional sport.

  • Comment 15, posted at 17.08.09 11:12:27 by quota Reply

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  • I see nothing wrong with this – if you dont have more than one offer then how do you know what a player’s market value is?

    People in all works of life do this. It’s called bench-marking.

    I’m sure the Erasmi know this but they’re just homouring the Habanas and the Oliviers of the world and it gets the word out that WeePee are willing to play.

    They only need to net one good player and this ploy would’ve been a success.

  • Comment 16, posted at 17.08.09 11:13:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • You have to wonder about the Bulls management, Bernie seems to have them by the proverbials…

  • Comment 17, posted at 17.08.09 11:15:16 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 16) : But what is a little dodgy is that Habana senior is not an accredited sport agent, he’s just a nuisance-maker.

  • Comment 18, posted at 17.08.09 11:17:03 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 11) : actually, loosehead is a Cheetahs supporter.

    Tosser :mrgreen:

  • Comment 19, posted at 17.08.09 11:18:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 16) : homouring? Does that involve beer and doughnuts?

  • Comment 20, posted at 17.08.09 11:19:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 15) : haven’t you followed any of the history behind this story?

  • Comment 21, posted at 17.08.09 11:20:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • theres a lot of homo-uring at wp

  • Comment 22, posted at 17.08.09 11:22:06 by willa Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : no…what history?

  • Comment 23, posted at 17.08.09 11:24:43 by quota Reply

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  • How come they don’t make it that only registered agents can negotiate with the unions?

  • Comment 24, posted at 17.08.09 11:25:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 23) : well – it emerged last year that Habana isn’t even an accredited agent. And far from being on good terms with the Bulls, he was allegedly trying to entice his players to strike last year to force them to let Botha go to Toulon.

  • Comment 25, posted at 17.08.09 11:28:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : If that is the case then John Smits life as a prop is over.
    @wpw (Comment 11) : Hells teeth wpw, I would rather support the WP than the Lions. :razz:

  • Comment 26, posted at 17.08.09 11:33:58 by Loosehead Reply

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  • Agents….scum of the earth. :wink:

  • Comment 27, posted at 17.08.09 11:35:54 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : i know that…you seem to have more an issue with bernie habana than how this whole “deal” might pan out & what it means in rugby terms…and just by the way i hold no candle for the man…

    If he is a shrewd businessman, then maybe we need him @ SARU instead of and marinos who seems to be getting shafted by steve tew & john o’neill everytime we have sanzar negotiations

  • Comment 28, posted at 17.08.09 11:36:58 by quota Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) :

    Did Bakkies not replace Bernie after the debacle last year?? :???:

  • Comment 29, posted at 17.08.09 11:38:28 by wpw Reply
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  • I blame the media for blowing everything out of proportion. As a responsible journalist, one should never write on speculation. Yet these WP ‘scribes’ seem to salivate over every little news nugget that comes their way. The whole Wynand Olivier thing whipped the western cape into a frenzy. I mean how much more disappointment must the WP fans have to get used to? :smile:

  • Comment 30, posted at 17.08.09 11:44:27 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 29) : I don’t know, to be honest.

    @quota (Comment 28) : I just like to stir, dude. I am a little miffed about what Habana did to the Sharks, though.

  • Comment 31, posted at 17.08.09 11:45:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 27) :

    i thought that award went to lawyers??? :shock: :twisted:

  • Comment 32, posted at 17.08.09 11:46:18 by Prof. Ice Babe(Super Girl) Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 30) :

    WP media??

    Surely the likes of Gavin Rich and Stef Nel are the only bad apples.

    Ashfak is not that bad!!! (hey Rob??) :wink:

  • Comment 33, posted at 17.08.09 11:47:52 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 33) : He should be called Assfak the way he luurrrvvves the Stormers so much :grin:

  • Comment 34, posted at 17.08.09 11:51:13 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice Babe(Super Girl) (Comment 32) : Ambualance Chasers and Agents….not much of a difference really :lol:

  • Comment 35, posted at 17.08.09 11:52:34 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 34) : :lol: A lot of rugby writers leave a lot to be desired…..

    Louis De Villiers is about the only decent one i can think of, Greenway at the Mecury isn’t to bad if not a little blinded by his home side bias

  • Comment 36, posted at 17.08.09 11:57:28 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice Babe(Super Girl) (Comment 32) :
    @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 35) :
    Ya’ll cruisin’ for a bruisin’. :evil:

  • Comment 37, posted at 17.08.09 11:59:32 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 37) :

    Ag, coomon – give me credit for getting you away from work for a few seconds!! I knew i would get a reaction!! Big Fish caught…hook, line and sincker!! :wink:

  • Comment 38, posted at 17.08.09 12:04:21 by Prof. Ice Babe(Super Girl) Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 37) : But its so true – Justice and the law have become the domain of those that can afford it….not exactly blind is it. :lol:

  • Comment 39, posted at 17.08.09 12:06:01 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 39) :

    OEPHH!!!! :shock: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 17.08.09 12:13:37 by Prof. Ice Babe(Super Girl) Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 39) :
    It has always been that way – nothing new.

    Blame capitalism – most people choose for the best money money they can get, so the best lawyers are usually only available to the thick-walleted.

    But that is no different to any other profession in the world.

    @Prof. Ice Babe(Super Girl) (Comment 38) :
    Supposed to be studying. :oops:

  • Comment 41, posted at 17.08.09 12:20:15 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 41) :

    Then what the hell are you doing on here?? we dont want you to lose out on your 20th BA Degree… :lol:

  • Comment 42, posted at 17.08.09 12:25:13 by Prof. Ice Babe(Super Girl) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : keep stirring then RD…

  • Comment 43, posted at 17.08.09 12:37:05 by quota Reply

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  • @Prof. Ice Babe(Super Girl) (Comment 42) :
    Shoot me if I even THINK of studying again. :roll:

  • Comment 44, posted at 17.08.09 12:38:37 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 44) :

    Deal!!!! :grin:

  • Comment 45, posted at 17.08.09 12:40:44 by Prof. Ice Babe(Super Girl) Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 36) : don’t think i’ve ever read an article Louis De Villiers has written but good gawd that dude is a legend, its like Fear and Loathing in Newlands.

  • Comment 46, posted at 17.08.09 12:40:56 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 43) : he he… always :)

  • Comment 47, posted at 17.08.09 12:50:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • The thing with the WP media is the same with the Bulls media is the same with the Sharks media – it’s written for the audience and it’s normally meant for the print audience, not for the online fans of other unions.

    Most are billed as opinion pieces and not as fact in the newspapers and it’s onyl when it circulates the net that it loses it’s target audience.

    Every province has their one-eyed hacks – Rich from the Cape, Spiros for the Ozzies, JJ for the Bulls, Rob Otto for the sharks.
    These folks write at their target audience and it’s not their job to be impartial – they’re not reporting for SABC or the BBC where they’re supposed to be impartial.

    Getting another side’s fans wound up is simply a pleasant side-effect for them and makes them even more popular with their core base of supporters… you know… the ones they’re actually writing at.

    Do you really think JJ pens his articles with Stormers fans in mind or rather with his rabid bunch of horned, face-painted supporters from Loftus?

  • Comment 48, posted at 17.08.09 12:54:50 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 48) : quite insightful… not bad for an accountant.

  • Comment 49, posted at 17.08.09 13:04:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • You know what… Western Province is getting on my nerves now… Rassie has no intention of building up a team. Look at what Dick Muir started at the Sharks with no name players who are now Representing the Boks( Kankowski, Steyn, Beast, Bismarck, Jp Pietersen,) these players werent all From Natal yes but at least Dick Developed them and Plum refined them. Rassie couldnt get Jacques and Wynand now he runs for Habana…. Uct and Maties are two of the exceptional clubs in the club league… there must be talent in the cape but Rassie wants to create a Real Madrid team in Province and i hope he fails!!!

  • Comment 50, posted at 17.08.09 16:27:50 by Miguel Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 37) : You a wig wearer bru?

  • Comment 51, posted at 17.08.09 16:32:22 by klempie Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 48) :

    Every province has their one-eyed hacks – Rich from the Cape, Spiros for the Ozzies, JJ for the Bulls, Rob Otto for the sharks.

    Very astute observation. :cool:

  • Comment 52, posted at 17.08.09 16:34:43 by klempie Reply

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  • @Miguel (Comment 50) : I’m no soccer buff, but Real Madrid hardly ever win anything so long may Rassie’s plans continue. :cool:

  • Comment 53, posted at 17.08.09 16:36:13 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 53) : haha ja i hope they fail this season as well after a 80 million euro purchase of Ronaldo… Ja i dont think Rassie even considers team chemistry! He had Chemistry going at the Cheetahs now he just seems to be mixing up a horrid brew

  • Comment 54, posted at 17.08.09 16:40:07 by Miguel Reply
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  • @Miguel (Comment 54) : Seems he is a walking curse for others teams as both the Cheetahs and Province’s chemistries have become damp squibs thanks to that move. Makes it easier for the rest of us. :cool:

  • Comment 55, posted at 17.08.09 16:44:27 by klempie Reply

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  • Real Madrid? Shouldn’t we wait for Rassie to actually sign a few players before handing out the label. :mrgreen:

    So far he has lost JdV and signed no-one. :roll:

  • Comment 56, posted at 17.08.09 16:45:34 by McLovin Reply

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  • Haha ja i know and agree fully… its his intention or lack of initiative that is cheesing me off you know!! Currie Cups are hard work not bought goods

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  • @McLovin (Comment 56) : I don’t know which is worse being a Real Madrid by signing famous players or being a Real Madrid wannabe by not managing to… :???:

  • Comment 58, posted at 17.08.09 16:48:49 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 58) : Rassie is definitely a wannabe… he has a globetrotter mindset!!

  • Comment 59, posted at 17.08.09 16:51:26 by Miguel Reply
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  • News24 reckons Olivier was offered R2.8m per season. :shock:

    And Habs will be offered more. :shock: :!:

  • Comment 60, posted at 18.08.09 09:15:25 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 60) : i wonder if Rassie wants to sign me…

  • Comment 61, posted at 18.08.09 09:26:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 61) : Maybe, but you have to make me your agent first. :wink:

  • Comment 62, posted at 18.08.09 09:30:45 by McLovin Reply

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  • 2.8mil must be pretty close to what they would make overseas.

    I’m sure the top players make in the region of €300k a season over here.

  • Comment 63, posted at 18.08.09 09:33:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 61) : You is too young

  • Comment 64, posted at 18.08.09 09:36:22 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • Actually might be closer to €500k.

    Still 2.8mil ront is plenty if you’re living in sunny SA.

  • Comment 65, posted at 18.08.09 09:36:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • The average Premiership wage is around £75,000-80,000.

    Although top players get way more.

    Carl Hayman apparently got £370k a year.

  • Comment 66, posted at 18.08.09 09:41:52 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 66) :

    Ja, but the footie boys make that in a week!

  • Comment 67, posted at 18.08.09 10:12:51 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 67) :

    Forgot to add in the ;-)

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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 64) : I’m the same age as Nico Luus! :)

  • Comment 69, posted at 18.08.09 10:20:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 67) : Tell me about it. Something seriously wrong in the world. :mrgreen:

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  • Johannesburg – Luke Watson has recovered from his flu and will be back at the helm of Vodacom Western Province in Saturday’s crucial ABSA Currie Cup match against the Xerox Lions at Newlands.

    The No 8 pulled out of last week’s game against Boland Cavaliers in Wellington at the last minute, with hooker Tiaan Liebenberg taking over the captaincy and leading WP to a convincing victory over their neighbours in the annual Cape derby.

    Word from the WP camp is that Watson is now back in full health, and Province are looking forward to having him back for a match which could be injected with a bit of needle because of the ongoing enmity between the Western Province and Lions unions over player contracts.

    It started towards the end of 2007, when Rassie Erasmus took over what was in effect the WP director of rugby position and managed to lure away Brian Mujati. He is attempting to do the same now with Springbok centre Jaque Fourie, who is keen to move to the Cape. But the Lions have dug their heels in and have made it known they will keep Fourie to his contract which holds him to the union until the end of next season.

    The Stormers brains-trust are known to be working on loopholes in their quest to secure Fourie’s services, and are believed they are confident they can still get him to the Cape, but it has done nothing to improve the already tetchy relationship between the two unions.

    Adding to the determination of the Lions will be the knowledge that these are now desperate times for them in terms of this year’s domestic competition. Their defeat to the Sharks in Johannesburg last weekend was their third of the season, and with Griquas looking so strong as the competition’s dark-horse, the Lions cannot afford to lose more ground.

    But WP are confident that they are now gathering momentum, with coach Allister Coetzee praising the team for their clinical second half performance against Boland, where they scored four tries.

    The WP team for the Lions game will be named on Wednesday, but the problem for Coetzee as he welcomes back players from injuries revolves more around who he is going to leave out than who he is going to find to fill the positions in the team.

  • Comment 71, posted at 18.08.09 10:45:51 by wpw Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 70) : I think it’s part of the reason I loathe that sport so deeply.

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