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Rolling Maul law simplified


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content on 20 Aug 2009 at 09:10
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The IRB has announced a change to the law governing the rolling maul. The change is effective immediately.

The revised law now states the following:

1. When a maul is formed originally, the ball carrier must be in contact with the ball and in front of the maul formation. In other words, at this time the opposition must be able to contest the possession at the formation.

2. The player at the back of the maul, must be bound – AS PER LAW, FROM HAND TO SHOULDER – at all times. Should he detach or not be bound as per above, then the players in front of the ball carrier is obstructing the opponents

3. When the maul stops GOING FORWARD in the first instance, the referee is to call “restart or use it”. When it stops going forward in the second instance, the referee is to call “use it or loose it”. The maul may not move backwards or sideways!

To my mind, this is more a clarification and a simplification of the existing law that anything new. Am I right?



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  • To my mind, this is more a clarification and a simplification of the existing law that anything new. Am I right?

    Yes you are…

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.08.09 09:23:52 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 1) : I foresee the clarification about what constitutes a bind causing trouble for some teams. Too often the guy at the back is basically just hanging on with one hand.

    Refs are also going to have to be far stricter about what counts as moving forward

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.08.09 09:44:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • Well in my mind, the whole rolling mall fiasco is nothing but an obstruction sham.
    If an opposition player cannot legally contest a ball carrier because he is obstructed from doing so by the ball carrier’s teammmates, then that is obstruction – pure and simple. I’ve never believed in the rolling mall, and I don’t think it belongs in rugby, so there.

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.08.09 09:47:56 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 3) : I agree. Malls shouldn’t move at all – makes it harder to find them when you want to buy something

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.08.09 09:56:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) :

    Here is my take on Paddy’s bullocks.

    I think to start off let’s have a look how the law defines a maul.

    “A maul occurs when a player carrying the ball is held by one or more opponents, and one or more of the ball carrier’s team mates bind on the ball carrier. A maul therefore consists of at least three players, all on their feet; the ball carrier and one player from each team.”

    Now ‘Patty’ has listed the following instruction to be played and refereed with immediate effect…

    “1. When a maul is formed originally, the ball carrier must be in contact with the ball and in front of the maul formation. In other words, at this time the opposition must be able to contest the possession at the formation.”

    I find this a bit strange.

    If we consider that most mauls form from line-outs then it is rather obvious that the player that catches the ball either comes down to his feet first, at which point players from both sides bind on him, before he transfers the ball (to the back), or he plays it from the top to another player (usually a forward) who then makes contact with the opposition (usually with his players in toe to support him) and another maul forms.

    If the player transfers the ball before making contact they are blown for truck and trailor and this already happens in the game.

    “2. The player at the back of the maul, must be bound – AS PER LAW, FROM HAND TO SHOULDER – at all times. Should he detach or not be bound as per above, then the players in front of the ball carrier is obstructing the opponents”

    Well this too has been part of the laws now for some time, problem is ‘Patty’s’ friends never refereed this correctly. Similarly, this is a massive problem at scrum time too where loose-forwards only stay ‘bound’ to the scrum by having their hand (only) attached to the scrum – this is not binding.

    Law 17.1 (c) Placing a hand on another player in the maul does not constitute binding.

    As an ex-scrummy, I had many fights with referees where eighth men detach their shoulders from the scrum, i.e. only have their hands on the players which to my mind then constitutes the ball being out (if under the eighth man’s feet).

    “3. When the maul stops GOING FORWARD in the first instance, the referee is to call “restart or use it”. When it stops going forward in the second instance, the referee is to call “use it or loose it”. The maul may not move backwards or sideways.”

    Again the definition of the maul is quite clear on the movement of the maul.

    “All the players involved must be caught in or bound to the maul and must be on their feet and moving towards a goal line.”

    I find this sudden emphasis on the maul surprising.

    ‘Patty’ at no stage mentioned or instructed anything that is not already part of the laws. If he is instructing his referees to start officiating this area correctly as the laws already states then fair enough – but even then why the big fuss now all of a sudden?

    Could it perhaps be the fact that the Boks at times destroyed the B&I Lions by using the maul? Could it be the fact that the All Blacks made some noise in the media prior to one of the tests in South Africa about the Boks ‘supposed’ illegal tactics at the maul (which resulted in the Boks hardly using the maul as an attacking weapon)?

    Is it because of the clear and massive dominance South Africa’s Springboks enjoy at the line-out’s which was again evident against New Zealand and Australia?

    ‘Patty’, telling your referees to actually blow the game correctly is actually an indictment on how poor most referees are which reflects directly on you and the job you are supposed to do.

    Here is a tip…

    Rather concentrate on sorting your shoddy judicial system out than telling your referees to do things they are already supposed to be doing in the first place!

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.08.09 09:58:40 by Morné Reply
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  • Sometimes you just long for the simplicity that football has… the rules haven’t changed since 1832…

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.08.09 10:14:10 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 6) :

    You mean it was kak back then too?

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.08.09 10:22:19 by Morné Reply
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  • And you dont need many rules or laws for acting, you must just make it more believable! :lol:

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.08.09 10:23:12 by Morné Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 6) : What about the offside rule? :|

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.08.09 10:23:39 by klempie Reply

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  • 3kms in 13:43 people. :cool:

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.08.09 10:24:06 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 10) :

    You should have your fridge closer to the TV mate. Why run so far for a beer? Half time is only 10 minutes long.

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.08.09 10:26:51 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 8) : “bloodgate” talk about shoddy acting! Ha ha ha :D

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.08.09 10:31:18 by quota Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 11) : I don’t drink so it’s not the fridge I am running for. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.08.09 10:33:21 by klempie Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 12) :

    It was shoddy, they still lost the bloody game.

    Talking of acting…

    What is worse (or is there a difference)?

    This bloodgate thing where a player faked blood to get another player on the field who has a bigger impact on the game and situation, or the John Smit / Jannie DUP episode in the first test where Jannie ‘faked’ an injury to get John back on?

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.08.09 10:35:21 by Morné Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 13) :

    Oh okay…

    That is a new concept to me.

    I only run when being chased or for beer.

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.08.09 10:36:36 by Morné Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 10) : dude – it took me an HOUR to run 8km yesterday :(

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.08.09 10:40:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 14) : When was that? :???:

    Hey my smileys have all been rearranged! Anyone else have the same thing?

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.08.09 10:40:42 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : That’s 5 k further than me. :sad:

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.08.09 10:41:11 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 14) : wasn’t deon carstens? I remember the convinient injury, as far as what is worse i don’t know…i just thought i should throw the “bloodgate” saga out there since you came across as labelling football as “acting”

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.08.09 10:51:24 by quota Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 17) : how do you mean rearranged? I did an upgrade of the site last night.

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.08.09 10:52:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 18) : right now I’m just working on distance… need to get my legs strong again. The speed will come.

    Shit, but my legs are SORE today.

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.08.09 10:53:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • I walked 5km in about 40min yesterday. :roll:

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.08.09 11:04:38 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 11) : Why run when your wife can bring you the beer…halftime if for getting rid of the beer you drank before halftime :mrgreen:

    @klempie (Comment 17) : Ja my smileys are also not in the same place :???:

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.08.09 11:05:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : They’re all in a different order above the comment box. No biggie.

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.08.09 11:06:47 by klempie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 8) : doobie doo

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.08.09 11:09:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 14) : @quota (Comment 19) : I think the mere fact that the medical staff carried blood capsules around with them shows very serious intent from their side.

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.08.09 11:13:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) :

    huh?

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.08.09 11:19:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 24) : oh yeah – see what you mean. I’ve never looked at them that closely, to be honest :)

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.08.09 11:23:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) :

    What is the difference in the act though?

    Is there any?

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.08.09 11:29:46 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 27) : just checking something… the upgrade caused an unexpected issue when replying to comment 8 :)

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.08.09 11:30:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) :

    oooohhhhhhhh

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.08.09 11:33:18 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : apparently the doctor/surgeon then cut the player’s mouth with a scalpel & the stitched him to continue the lie further! And this morning i watched nick easter on skyports saying the sanctions were too harsh “in light of the incidents of eye gouging (quinlan and schallk) & referees being splashed in the face with alcohol (griquas/willie d00s).

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.08.09 11:35:59 by quota Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 29) : No difference in the act, but the Boks incident was( if it in fact was) spur of the moment but carrying blood capsules shows intent to cheat.

    I agree in principal with you, but the intent does aggrevate the situation IMO

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.08.09 11:38:43 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 32) : Willie was lucky it was only Klippies & coke :wink:

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.08.09 11:40:26 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 34) : what’s worse than brannes & coke?

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.08.09 11:45:03 by quota Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 33) :

    But the deed is punished isn’t it?

    Or in this case not?

    If you act against the law (or good sportsmanship in this case) does intent mean that much?

    You still did wrong.

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.08.09 11:48:23 by Morné Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 35) : Could have been a 100 litre coolbox (just joking by the way)

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.08.09 11:49:04 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 36) : Yes you still did wrong, but what proof have you got that Deon Carstens wasn’t injured :roll:

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.08.09 11:51:04 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 36) : I reckon the Quins actions were so blatantly obvious and easy to prove. Thus they got caught.

    Bit diffucult to prove there’s no injury when the player says there is imo.

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.08.09 11:51:54 by McLovin Reply

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  • @quota (Comment 35) : not much, in my experience.

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.08.09 11:54:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 38) :

    You believe it all just came to be?

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.08.09 11:55:07 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 41) : I know just as well as you do and I don’t believe either of us really know..unless you have inside info or started to believe the SA & UK press all of a sudden :roll:

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.08.09 11:59:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : except perhaps champagne, burns like hell.

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.08.09 12:03:07 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 43) : Burns? When you do what with it?

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.08.09 12:05:20 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 44) : in the eyes McLovin in the eyes…. :grin:

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.08.09 12:08:35 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 44) : clearly you haven’t won much in your life :D

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.08.09 12:09:59 by quota Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 44) : or acted a fool on your b’day!

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.08.09 12:11:12 by quota Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 45) : @quota (Comment 47) : I see. :oops: I live a sheltered life. :wink:

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.08.09 12:16:59 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 42) :

    Hmmmm.

    Okay, if you believe the practice of faking injuries in rugby to force uncontested scrums or bring props on or take them off and replace them with loosies is new, or only limited to certain teams and coaches, then there is nothing more I can really add.

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.08.09 12:21:06 by Morné Reply
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  • Eng have lost their first wicket. :roll:

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.08.09 12:26:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 43) : I was talking about drinking it… :)

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.08.09 12:26:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • Add some Tia Maria to your brandy and coke for a lekker ‘cocktail’.

    Very sweet though.

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.08.09 12:35:46 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 49) : I don’t believe that for a second….and I’m not saying the Carstens didn’t fake the injury…the only point I’m trying to make is that the blatent intent( or shall we call it stupidity ) in carrying blood capsule actually for me the takes the cake.

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.08.09 12:41:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Ja well no fine.

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.08.09 12:51:26 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : :oops:

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.08.09 12:53:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 49) : oh come off it morne. I’m sure you’ve cheated as a sportsperson or as a coach too! But you were smart enough not to get caught, i hope :D

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.08.09 12:54:04 by quota Reply

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  • In the last round of the Women’s Nations Cup played in Ontario, Canada, England defeated South Africa 25-0 and won a bonus point, so remaining undefeated. England will retain the title they won in 2008.

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.08.09 13:03:24 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 57) : did you find out anything about those yellow cards??

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.08.09 13:07:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 58) : Nah, unfortunately not.

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.08.09 13:09:16 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 58) : There was bound to be a lot of bitching. :wink:

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.08.09 13:15:41 by McLovin Reply

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  • I have never in my life built a snowman.

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.08.09 13:19:33 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 61) : That Sharks team announcement can’t come soon enough :wink:

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.08.09 13:26:09 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 62) : yup :)

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.08.09 13:34:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : although I expect there will be brackets

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.08.09 13:34:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 62) : The weekend can’t come soon enough. This week feels like 2 for some reason. :neutral:

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.08.09 13:37:14 by McLovin Reply

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