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WP sign young Aussie


Written by Warren Smith (war1)

Posted in :Currie Cup, In the news, WP on 23 Sep 2009 at 07:58

Cape Town – Western Province have pulled off a coup by securing the services of young Australian flyhalf sensation Matt Toomua for the rest of the Currie Cup writes Stephen Nell for Sport24.

Toomua made his Super14 debut as an 18-year-old for the Brumbies against the Hurricanes last year.

He played regularly for the Brumbies this year and could be a shock inclusion in WP’s squad for Saturday’s Currie Cup clash against Griquas at Newlands.

Peter Grant is WP’s first choice player at flyhalf, while Conrad Hoffmann is being groomed in the position and will play a club game there this week.

The move to gain the 19-year-olf Toomua’s services in the short term follows after the prognosis on Willem de Waal’s neck injury went from 6 weeks to as many months on the sidelines.

Toomua will provide crucial depth for WP should they pick up further problems at flyhalf. It even provides WP with an opportunity to wrap Grant in cotton wool before an expected semi-final.

On top of that, it shows how serious WP are taking this year’s Currie Cup.

Province have already secured the services of South Africa under-21 flyhalf Lionel Cronjé for next year.

According to the Brumbies’ website, Toomua attended Queensland’s Brisbane State High School, which produced big name players such as Mark Bartholomeusz, Paul Carozza, Peter Slattery and David Wilson.

Toomua captained Queensland at under-16 level and WP are gaining a player with good leadership abilities and an educated boot.
The Brumbies had so much faith in him that they signed him in 2007 directly after he finished school. He has been included in their Super14 squad for 2010.

Meanwhile, WP are keeping tabs on the weather forecasts before Saturday’s game.

“The prediction earlier this week was that it would rain on Saturday, but now it looks as if we will be missing out on it. We are hoping for dry conditions so that we can play a bit,” said WP forwards coach Matt Proudfoot.

Province will realise the dangers of setting their sights against Griquas too high. Griquas won the clash between the two sides in Kimberley earlier in the campaign.



50 Comments

  • Why go for an Aussie?

    Hope he delivers.

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.09.09 09:18:02 by McLovin Reply
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  • How much is he being paid I wonder.

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.09.09 09:24:02 by McLovin Reply
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  • This smacks of desperation…

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.09.09 09:34:24 by klempie Reply
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  • this is stupid…where are the players that play pivot for ikeys, maties, wp u-21, wp vodacom cup? Are they all incompetent?

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.09.09 09:35:29 by quota Reply
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  • @quota (Comment 4) :

    I agree with you 100% or is it 105%?? :grin:

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.09.09 09:50:04 by SuperGirl Ice Babe(Wingat because I CAN!) Reply
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  • By the sounds of it he won’t be playing much. :roll:

    Hope he scores plenty against the Kwasse.

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.09.09 09:52:04 by McLovin Reply

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  • Fourie had his suspension reduced to 3 weeks darem.

    So he’ll be available for Province in the semi’s. :cool:

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.09.09 10:06:55 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 7) : IF he gets there :grin:

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.09.09 10:20:19 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 8) :

    IF THEY get to the semi’s… :twisted:

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.09.09 10:25:56 by SuperGirl Ice Babe(Wingat because I CAN!) Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 8) : @SuperGirl Ice Babe(Wingat because I CAN!) (Comment 9) : They’ll get there. And it will be at Newlands. :twisted:

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.09.09 10:30:13 by McLovin Reply

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  • Earlier in the day, KZN champions College Rovers beat Eastern Province champions Park 52-22 (halftime 26-8) to set up a mouth-watering first semi-final against Hamilton, after the WP team scored 25 unanswered points in coming from behind to beat Golden Lions champions Pirates 39-27 (halftime 9-20) in the first match of the day.

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.09.09 10:40:09 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • Griquas – 15 Riaan Viljoen, 14 Trompie Nontshinga, 13 Jaco Bekker, 12 Barry Geel, 11 Dewald Pretorius, 10 Naas Olivier, 9 Sarel Pretorius, 8 Jonathan Mokuena (c), 7 Davon Raubenheimer, 6 Sean Plaatjies, 5 Jacques Lombard, 4 Brendon Snyman, 3 Ruaan du Preez, 2 Rayno Barnes, 1 Albertus Buckle.
    Subs: 16 Andries Kruger, 17 Simon Westraadt, 18 Heinrich Stride, 19 Rohan Kitshoff, 20 Donald Stevens, 21 Wilmaure Louw, 22 Bjorn Basson.

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.09.09 11:12:04 by McLovin Reply

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  • I think its become pretty apparent that Rassie has tried getting success with local Province / Boland players but has now come to realise that if he wants to hold onto his job he will have to start producing and to do that means buying up the best available.

    Seems Cape Town guys arent as responsive to Rassies methods as the Bloem boys were. This is good news for some because it means that there will be more than a few disillusioned, talented players out there ready to be snapped up by other unions.

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.09.09 11:31:33 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I don’t understand why they always have to look for talent abroad. I am sure there are plenty of good flyhalves in Cape Town.

    Meanwhile young South African guys can’t be thrown into Currie Cup or Super 14 rugby, but a 19 year old Aussie can? If I were the administrators of WP I wouldn’t allow this rubbish to continue. I thought Rassie moved to the Cape because he was excited about all the talent available to him (aside from the money!)

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.09.09 01:09:35 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 14) :

    I agree 100%. That said, my team has an Argie flyhalf.

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.09.09 04:22:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I don’t mind as much if it is an established player that can help the youngsters eg Federico Mendez. But guys like Todd Clever, Huia Edmonds. I see no value in that.

    As for Hernandez, not sure why the Sharks need him, and he shouldn’t play ahead of Pienaar. There are enough talented backline players for the Sharks to warrant developing them, not Hernandez.

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.09.09 04:30:42 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 14) :

    Another example is Slowmo Nqalevuki. Why was he brought in from Fiji when a young star was allowed to leave UCT and walk straight into the England 7s side as a winger?

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.09.09 04:30:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 16) :

    Clever, very nice guy, and Edmunds are also good examples of bringing players into teams where there was MORE than enough depth at their particular positions, so why bring them in the first place.

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.09.09 04:32:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 18) :

    I agree with you 100%. I have to say my opinion of Rassie Erasmus has gone downhill in the last 12 months. He’s shown little ability to “coach” and develop players. It takes more than a large cheque book to be a top coach. Compare him to Heyneke Meyer. Even PDV has shown how to get the best out of players.

    I’m still not convinced about Plumtree either. Let’s ee if he can win another CC or the Super 14 next year (unlikely because the Bulls have some unfinished business!)

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.09.09 04:40:34 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 16) :

    The Sharks have a depth problem at 10 and while I agree Ruan should play ahead of JMH, I also also think that if we don’t have GOOD quality backup at 10 then we have no chance of winning the S14.

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.09.09 04:42:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 19) :

    Rassie had more success at the Cheetahs with ANY cheque book :razz: than he will ever have at WP with their fat cheque book. His CC success was mostly because of the bigger CC teams losing their Boks though.

    What unfinished business do you guys have? ;-)

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.09.09 04:46:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Is Hernandez contracted for the Super 14 also?

    We need the CC to cap off a great year. The Bulls Boks will then hold every title they can. Rightfully we can lay claim to be the best team in South Africa!

    I’m picking a final at Kings park again between the Bulls and Sharks.

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.09.09 04:54:50 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 14) :

    Pot Kettle Black is all i have to say… :mrgreen:

    The Sharks are really doing a great job bringing in talented local players like Juan Hernandez… :roll:

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.09.09 06:50:18 by wpw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) :

    Rassie won the CC when it was pretty much watered down and with no Bok players involved!!! :|

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.09.09 06:53:06 by wpw Reply
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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 22) : hernandez is contracted for the super 14 also

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.09.09 08:47:09 by war1 Reply
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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 22) :

    I dont think I agree with you on THAT… :wink:

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.09.09 08:55:37 by GI Ice Reply
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  • On news24 Pita Alatini says Rassie wants him for the Stormers. :roll:

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.09.09 09:27:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • A nice spreitely 33 yr old

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.09.09 09:42:26 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 27) :

    En daar kry die Mighty English wat ons verslaan het net 146 teen NZ… :roll:

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.09.09 09:42:35 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 28) :

    Who? :?:

    Whos WP Boikies? You?

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.09.09 09:43:55 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 29) : Gee my sommer n kramp. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.09.09 09:47:02 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 27) : I think Rassie has lost the plot. If I was WP I would get rid of him now.

    I feel sorry for the local players. What must they think?

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.09.09 09:55:31 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 32) : I doubt they’d be getting rid of Rassie anytime soon.

    This year’s Currie Cup is a relative success, compared to the last 2/3 season at least.

    Plus I’ll wait to see how the Stormers go in the next S14.

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.09.09 10:02:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 32) : In terms of local talent there is certainly a big problem there, but not sure if Rassie can be blamed for that.

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.09.09 10:05:04 by McLovin Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 32) :

    We don’t really have time to throw youngsters to the wolves. We need results and we need it now.

    I don’t agree with most of Rassie’s overseas and over the hill signings but if it comes off and we win the CC or make the S14 semis next year then I’ll be happier than a pig in shit!!

    Remember the Sharks of the 90′s?? They bought their CC success!! ;-)

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.09.09 10:18:03 by wpw Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 34) : someone’s not picking them.

    What must a lightie like de Jongh be thinking now? He’s setting the Currie Cup alight, yet bloody brainfart Erasmus is scouring the world looking for any centre he can find.

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.09.09 10:19:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 35) : good luck making the Super 15 semis in 2010. It only starts in 2011.

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.09.09 10:19:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) :

    :twisted:

  • Comment 38, posted at 30.09.09 10:21:46 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 38) : yet another badly-planned stirring comment from our own favourite :)

  • Comment 39, posted at 30.09.09 10:30:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) :

    What are you talking about???

    :twisted:

  • Comment 40, posted at 30.09.09 10:37:04 by wpw Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 30) : Negative

  • Comment 41, posted at 30.09.09 10:48:27 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 41) :

    Ohhhh…I was just getting excited about singing Happy Birthday to you… :wink:

  • Comment 42, posted at 30.09.09 10:54:31 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : I agree, but that someone seems to be further down the food chain. Rassie need experienced players with proven track records in S14 or similiar.

    De Jongh is as yet untested in the S14, and if he’s that good he’ll get picked.

    I don’t agree with this Alatini type signing though. But as wpw mentioned above if they win cups I’m happy.

  • Comment 43, posted at 30.09.09 10:58:33 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 33) : I’d say Alistair Coetzee has achieved a lot more than Rassie has this year with a lot less talent at his disposal. Maybe they should swop the coaches around!

  • Comment 44, posted at 30.09.09 11:16:49 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 35) : We can’t throw youngsters to the Wolves, but it’s fine if he is 19 and Australian? Where is the consistency? I’d have loved to see Dollie playing flyhalf for WP.

  • Comment 45, posted at 30.09.09 11:18:42 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 45) : Dollie is playing in Japan He is a tall fly half there!!!!
    Bringing in players like JMH is good for the team not so much results but as in development Wont forget an interveiw with Butch James who credited playing with and alongside Gregor Townshend for turning his career around and if JMH can help Ross Cronje or even Ruuan it turning themselves into a better FH then im all for it

  • Comment 46, posted at 30.09.09 11:30:03 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 45) : In fairness Toomau is not some 19 year old Rassie took from the outback just cause he’s an Aussie. He played S14 earlier in the year for the Brumbies and thus proven to be up to the task.

    But yes, WP’s youth/development programme, if it ever exists, needs serious work.

  • Comment 47, posted at 30.09.09 11:56:59 by McLovin Reply

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  • And Toomau was available. I’m sure if any other S14 flyhalves, local or foreign, were available Rassie would have made them an offer.

  • Comment 48, posted at 30.09.09 11:58:27 by McLovin Reply

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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 28) :

    Like that has ever stopped Rassie wanting someone. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 30.09.09 14:43:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 33) :

    There must be some panic in the Stormers’ camp ahead of the S14 next season. They won’t have the usual extra two weeks to prepare for the S14. :razz:

  • Comment 50, posted at 30.09.09 14:46:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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