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“Pressure now on the Sharks”


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Currie Cup, In the news on 4 Oct 2009 at 15:40
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Vodacom Western Province coach Allister Coetzee believes that the pressure will be on the Sharks heading into the final weekend of league fixtures in the Absa Currie Cup.

Sport 24 reports that WP and the Sharks ended the weekend level on log points at the top of the standings with 49 points each. The Cape side though, due to their superior points’ differential, are the current log-leaders.

Province face the Xerox Lions in Johannesburg in their final league fixture of the season, while the Sharks have the tough task of travelling to Kimberley for their match against the GWK Griquas on Saturday.

“We are top of the log and our captain Luke Watson and the team must take all the credit for this achievement,” said Coetzee.

“Our intentions will be to go to Johannesburg and achieve a win and if we can secure a bonus point for scoring four tries, even better. So we’ll only be concentrating on what we have to do in the next few days.

“I think for a side like the Sharks or any other side chasing us, the pressure will be on them. It’s never easy going to Kimberley and we all know why. So I think it’s going to be a very interesting end to the Absa Currie Cup.”

Vodacom Western Province captain Luke Watson ran in a hat trick of tries as the hosts outclassed the Boland Cavaliers 50-7 at Newlands on Saturday.

The Cape side looked to throw the ball wide at most opportunities in the first half and scored three enterprising tries. In the second, as Coetzee introduced his substitutes, the hosts went back to the basics were rewarded with four more tries.

Hooker Tiaan Liebenberg, lock Andries Bekker, scrumhalf Ricky Januarie and winger Tonderai Chavhanga were the other try scorers for the hosts. Fullback Joe Pietersen kicked six conversions and a penalty.

The Cavaliers scored one try thanks to an intercept by Deon Scholtz late in the second half. Substitute back, Mark Harris converted Scholtz’s try.

In Durban, the Sharks eliminated the Xerox Lions from this season’s Absa Currie Cup semi-final race by defeating their opponents 19-17 at the Absa Stadium on Saturday.

The Johannesburg side though kept the hosts at bay and did not allow the Sharks a bonus-point victory, thus relegating them to second place on the log standings.

The defending champions made numerous handling errors at crucial periods in the match in their search for scoring four tries. As a result, the hosts only managed to run in one try which was scored by Springbok hooker Bismarck du Plessis. Bok utility back Ruaan Pienaar kicked the conversion and also slotted three penalties while Argentinean pivot, Juan Hernandez kicked a drop goal.

Xerox Lions scrumhalf Chris Jonck scored the only try of the match for the visitors. Flyhalf Herkie Kruger kicked three penalties while Jonck kicked a fourth penalty in the second half of this clash.

The result for the Sharks now mean that they will have to defeat the GWK Griquas in Kimberley next Saturday and hope that Vodacom Western Province slip on their road trip to Johannesburg, to end the season in first position on the log.

GWK Griquas kept their semi-final aspirations alive by securing a crucial bonus point for scoring four tries in their Absa Currie Cup match against the Vodacom Blue Bulls in Pretoria on Saturday afternoon.

The hosts though were the ultimate winners and ran in eight tries to comprehensively defeat their opponents at Loftus Versveld.

Springbok stars Bryan Habana and Morne Steyn both ran in a brace of tries while Zane Kirchner, Danie Rossouw, Pierre Spies and Bandise Maku were the other try-scorers for the Pretoria team.

Steyn converted five tries and kicked three penalties while SA Under-20 pivot Francois Brummer also kicked one conversion.

GWK scrumhalf Sarel Pretorius, flanker Davon Raubenheimer, centre Barry Geel and flyhalf Naas Olivier were the try-scorers for the visitors. Olivier kicked two conversions and a penalty.

In the other Absa Currie Cup Premier Division match of the weekend, the Vodacom Free State Cheetahs kept their semi-final aspirations by securing maximum points during their 60-17 victory over the Platinum Leopards in Bloemfontein on Friday night.

The hosts ran in eight tries at a wet Vodacom Park in the Free State capital. Jacques-Louis Potgieter, Ashley Johnson, Hendro Scholtz, Frans Viljoen, WP Nel, Meyer Bosman, Jongi Nokwe and captain Nico Breedt were the players to score tries for the Vodacom Free State Cheetahs.

Scrumhalf Tewis de Bruyn kicked five conversions while substitute pivot Louis Strydom also converted two tries. Vodacom Free State Cheetahs flyhalf Potgieter kicked two penalties.

Centre Deon van Rensburg and fullback Danie Dames scored one try each for the Platinum Leopards. Scrumhalf Jean Tiedt converted Van Rensburg’s try and also kicked a penalty while Niell Jacobs converted Dames’ try.



118 Comments

  • Rob Houwing on N24 today. I wonder if he is a WP fan. :lol:

    Something handily in WP’s favour is that their closing round-robin fixture against the Lions (scheduled for 17:05 at Coca-Cola Park on Saturday) is the very last match on the 2009 programme and they will know exactly what they have to do to finish top after taking on board the result from the earlier kick-off in Kimberley……….

    ……..But you somehow fancy that the blue-and-white-hoops could yet be forced to produce their A-game in Johannesburg: there is a rich recent history of the Cape side having to see off the Lions — often by a certain score-line and/or with a bonus point — in a make-or-break “league” encounter at either Currie Cup or Vodacom Super 14 level.

    He forgets to add that they usually FAIL to achieve that score or that BP and then have all the WP fans crying about the “negative Rugby” that the Lions play. :lol:

    Same things will be said on Sunday morning, mark my words. :lol:

  • Comment 1, posted at 04.10.09 15:47:15 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) : lions always play well against weeepee, but they will be tired after this weekend.

    the sharks messed up their chances to secure top spot – not so much yesterday (lions always were going to be tough) but last week against lepards they should have put at least 50 on the scoreboard.

  • Comment 2, posted at 04.10.09 16:02:06 by rekinek Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) :

    Worry about Griquas first…

  • Comment 3, posted at 04.10.09 16:28:23 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 3) :

    Any event, WP’s record in the Tank in finals is pretty impressive…

  • Comment 4, posted at 04.10.09 16:28:52 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 3) : Why?

  • Comment 5, posted at 04.10.09 17:03:09 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 5) : griquas do not look but neither do sharks :roll:

  • Comment 6, posted at 04.10.09 17:20:53 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 5) :

    For Griquas this game will be a final.

    They have nothing to lose.

    A team with nothing to lose is very dangerous.

  • Comment 7, posted at 04.10.09 17:28:49 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 7) :

    They will have nothing to lose at the start of the game, and by the time we are 10 points ahead they will implode. :razz:

    BTW they had nothing to lose this last weekend as well. ;-)

  • Comment 8, posted at 04.10.09 18:34:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Sharks will stuff them – 5 pointer, Lions will beat WP.

  • Comment 9, posted at 04.10.09 18:47:47 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 3) :

    Why should we worry about Griquas.

    Have a look at their results aginst the bigger teams in the 2nd round.

    Vodacom Blue Bulls 61 – 27 GWK Griquas
    Vodacom Western Province 43 – 3 GWK Griquas
    GWK Griquas 13 – 58 Vodacom Free State Cheetahs

    I Wonder if Vodacom are paying Griquas to lose to any team with theie name in it? :razz:

  • Comment 10, posted at 04.10.09 18:47:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 9) :

    I HOPE so, otherwise I won’t be able to donate finals tickets to Sharksworld :wink:

  • Comment 11, posted at 04.10.09 18:49:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 7) : I actually think its the opposite! The Griquas are going to need those 2 points from this game, and they are going to have to pull the strategy magic straight out the hymn book for them. They have to aim for victory, pure pressure! And if the Sharks take the lead at any stage, that 7 point window will start to look ominous…

    With their last few results I doubt they can handle pressure like this. That is of course if we at least show up to the game. :|

    Really, the 5-point pressure is so squarely on WP’s shoulders I think the journo actually misheard Coetzee! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 04.10.09 22:45:26 by Frisbee Reply

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  • Hoping for the Lions to beat WP is wishfull thinking. :twisted:

    Best they will do is to deny The Province a BP. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 04.10.09 22:46:28 by McLovin Reply

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  • Lions have nothing to play for. Their season ended on Saturday. No reason to make that extra effort.

  • Comment 14, posted at 04.10.09 22:49:32 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 14) :

    Same as on the previous occasions when Province needed the big margin or BP against them. :razz:

  • Comment 15, posted at 05.10.09 05:07:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 15) : O ye of little faith. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 05.10.09 07:40:03 by McLovin Reply

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  • I love it how you Sharks try and justify things.

    The Griquas’ goal is and will never be to win the CC. It is to reach the play-off’s.

    If they accomplish this they have won their own Currie Cup, and that all depends on the ‘final’ this weekend against the Sharks – AT HOME IN KIMBERLEY.

    The Griquas stuffed the Lions, who you only managed to beat by two points AT HOME.

    But no worries, I hope your team, captain and coach have they eye on WP too.

  • Comment 17, posted at 05.10.09 07:57:55 by Morné Reply
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  • Morning All

    Just a stupid question..How id the semi’played..in other words of the top 4 who plays who – 1 and 4 and 2 and 3 or 1 and 3 and 2 and 4?

    Sorry Sharks – I said it before and I will say it again – the Boks back into the team did not do any good…

    Sharks – this was a good example of how NOT to defend a Currie Cup title… :evil:

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.10.09 08:45:55 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 18) :

    1 against 4 and 2 against 3, with 1 and 2 getting home ground advantage.

  • Comment 19, posted at 05.10.09 08:47:38 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 17) : I agree with you Morne its going to be more difficult for the Sharks than WP but the way you guys are going on on this site and on Keo its like next week is going to be a walk in the park for you guys, personally I don’t believe it will be ant WP has not performed at all well at Coca Cola park in recent history! I still believe The Sharks will beat Griekwas and may even get a bonus point! In the end we may face the Bulls in the Semis, a difficult task, but for the Sharks the Bulls are less of a hoodoo side then the Cheetahs, who incidentally beat WP this year!

  • Comment 20, posted at 05.10.09 08:55:38 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 20) : Okay just back from leave, I meant this week i.e WP vs Lions at Coca cola parck :oops:

  • Comment 21, posted at 05.10.09 08:57:48 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 20) :

    And WP incidently beat the Sharks, twice!

    It will be no cake walk for sure, but the Lions are out, so I expect them to come out and play expansive rugby.

    WP should still win, as should the Sharks, but bonus points will be hard to come by for both teams.

    The added advantage is, WP will know what to do come kick off at 17:00

  • Comment 22, posted at 05.10.09 08:58:49 by Morné Reply
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  • i am not going justify anything. the sharks need to look at themselves carefully and question their commitment and decision making. sharks must be the best team in the southern hemisphere if not the world when it comes to winning games. but the sharks are the worst when it comes to getting bonus points. if they lose they make sure they lose badly. and when they get to the front in a game, they close up shop. this has been going on for 5 seasons or more now and someone needs to come in to train them to go for the jugular. how often do you see the sharks beat teams by massive margins, while lesser teams do it regularly? how can a team with so much talent choke so much? again too many questions and still no real answers.

  • Comment 23, posted at 05.10.09 09:00:20 by try time Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 22) : thats cos muller was the captain in both games and his captaincy is shit.

  • Comment 24, posted at 05.10.09 09:00:58 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 23) :

    I mentioned to Rob the Sharks problems are small. They just need a few tweaks to that team, one of which is TO PICK THE BEST DAMN CAPTAIN IN THE WORLD!!!.

    Remember my article pre-Super 14 this year, on how the selection of Muller as captain (with John available) will come back to haunt them?

  • Comment 25, posted at 05.10.09 09:03:22 by Morné Reply
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  • Morning
    having watched the game live-well on the box- and a second time on PVR there are a couple of points I think that we need to look at in order to get the game into perspective
    1) 5 penalties that were kickable not taken-looks like they wanted the 5 points first instead of winning Always take the points
    2) We really miss Jean the other forwards play off him Have a look at the bad games we played this year and see who was missing-we need back up here like for like

    3) notice how light our pack has become it will make a diference with Joe and Jean back an extra 15 kg in wieght between those 2-though i have heard Joe’s season is done not confirmed but…..
    4)Not convinced about combinations in midfield the bash up first centre type approach side are getting wise to it and it may be necessary to change this tactic
    5)i felt that the Sharks thought this game would be easy Mistake Sharks/lions at KP are never easy

    For what its worth whilst a sharks/bulls final @KP would be great we have more chance of wining a WP/Sharks @ Newlands Home finals create unnessary pressure and let the pressure be on WP

    @Morné (Comment 17) : Without getting into a big debate on the merits of either side facts are the lions @ home are Wp’s nemisis especially when the pressure is on. Wp have come of 2 easy games to a hard one and you see what happens when you come off an easy game into a hard IF you dont Ask the AB’s I think WP might win close but no BP but i wouldnt be surprised at all if the Lions beat WP. Its a result due for the lions If they did that they would save their season and may well keep a few of their star players

  • Comment 26, posted at 05.10.09 09:07:49 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 19) :

    Thanks – I had it the wrong way – thought our shit game might hav been a blessing in disguise where the semi’s are concerned.. :roll:

    The team IMO could have been called the Rory Cockett Squad…there was hardly ANY support at the breakdowns and each oke went on his own – no commitment whatsoever…At times there was such a deurmekaarspul…I mean – WHERE have you ever seen Adi running around like a beheaded chicken??

    As you can see – I am very very dissapointed

  • Comment 27, posted at 05.10.09 09:09:16 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 26) : Fattmann, your five points have more-or-less summed up the article I just wrote. Agree with you 100%.

    re Joe, I have a funny feeling we’ll not see him in a Sharks jersey again.

  • Comment 28, posted at 05.10.09 09:11:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 18) : Hi there Ice! spent 10 days at ATKV Natalia, there were only 3 of us English speaking families, my Afrikaans has improved superbelly, I was even getting brave and replying in Afrikaans. You “dutchmen” ;-) are really friendly had a great time, already booked my next holiday in Dec there! Only 4 families from Natal the majority were from NW, and FS with quite a good representation from GP with their blue [email protected]@Ls :evil:

  • Comment 29, posted at 05.10.09 09:12:56 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 22) : I know that, unfortunately :cry: was just pointing out that the Cheetahs may not be the easy semi final you guys are dreaming of, that is all!

  • Comment 30, posted at 05.10.09 09:16:16 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) :

    Joe?? Johan Muller??

    So…he IS gatvol coz he’s not captian?? :twisted:

    @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 29) :

    [email protected] Did you learn to drink Klippies and Coke too?? ;-)

  • Comment 31, posted at 05.10.09 09:17:33 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 30) :

    No semi is easy, but WP are still the undedogs by a long way (to win this thing), which is great.

  • Comment 32, posted at 05.10.09 09:18:17 by Morné Reply
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  • now a little finger pointing. firstly odwa is a player i’ll have on the field to close out games and for games where a win is sufficient. he has no speed and this cost the sharks a lot of try opportunities on saturday. often he got some quality ball but his speed let the team down.
    next the disappearance of charlie from this site seems to have coincided with the disappearnce of adi’s skill. adi has now played in three games since his return from the boks and he hasn’t offered anything decent. he crabs, he misses tackles and overall he isn’t first team material. he needs a serious recondition so should be left out the squad for the rest of the season.
    juan is not worth his price tag at the moment. he has a deft boot, but he isn’t offering as much on attack as we expected. i am not going to get to concerned about this yet as it may be a little communication problem, and three different scrumhalves doesn’t help much.

    finally the forwards lack of skill in the ball protection department needs to criticised. i often moan about the sharks lack of building phases. but i now understand why they don’t want to. its because we lose far too much of our own ball at the breakdown. and we rarely create fast ball for the backs to use constructively. rhodes seems to be improving every game, but without deysel and bismarck (on form) we have no-one else to protect our ball. keegan, ryan and jacque haven’t been impressive in this department and the team is in trouble when the three are on the park together. all three disappeared against the superior lion’s loosies. i now see why the sharks management are trying extra hard to poach some lions.

  • Comment 33, posted at 05.10.09 09:18:19 by try time Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 25) :

    Talkin ’bout the best Captian in the world…he did not look impressed at all..

  • Comment 34, posted at 05.10.09 09:18:46 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : Oh now why is that? Where is he going? Is that why we have bought Mostert? I believe that Alberts and Ludik have decided to remain with the Lions? is that true?

  • Comment 35, posted at 05.10.09 09:19:20 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 25) : i have always agreed about this point. i think there are very few that would disagree.

  • Comment 36, posted at 05.10.09 09:19:24 by try time Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Comment 31) : no Ice not Gatvol the break in the has had pins inserted and quite simply he can back too soon and re-injured the arm what should happen is the arm gets re-broken and him take 6 months to get it fixed. Thats how i understand it From his point of view though he wants to play cos it affects things like win bonuses etc. And he just wants to play. Nothing sinister in the plot……..im afraid

  • Comment 37, posted at 05.10.09 09:22:46 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 32) : I see you and I are on the same wave length when it comes to going in as favorites! I hate it look what it did to the Sharks this last weekend! The team buys into all the hype and voila a bottom of the log team nearly thumps you! :twisted:

    @GI Ice (Comment 31) : No that I have not managed yet, the klippies just will not go down and was tempted to steel those balls during the night and have them painted in black and white ;-)

  • Comment 38, posted at 05.10.09 09:22:54 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 26) : on point one i disagree. the sharks needed 4 tries so going for penalties was useless. had we lost the game we would still be 2nd on the log. so going for tries was right. but where they failed is they should have done that from the start of the game, not mid half. don’t wait for the opposition to settle before going for tries. look how effective griquas were catching bulls off guard. go for tries in the first ten minutes instead of three points. taking the penalty you let the opposition off the ropes. as we saw our 2 taken penalties meant nothing when the lions got the try.

  • Comment 39, posted at 05.10.09 09:23:51 by try time Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 26) : otherwise the other points you made i agree with.

  • Comment 40, posted at 05.10.09 09:24:55 by try time Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 35) : Ludick and Alberts are still contracted until the end of 2010. That’s all that’s stopping them joining the Sharks next year, as far as I’m aware. If Fourie can get out of his contract, I’m sure they will too.

  • Comment 41, posted at 05.10.09 09:29:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 33) : Agree with you on Odwa. I have always loved Odwa, he has always been reliable and steady, but he has definitely last speed he cost us at least 2 tries with the tryline beckoning! He needs to be replaced with Mvovo! Jean we miss him badly, and Keegan is a penalty waiting to happen how many did he give away this weekend? I last count. I felt Hernandez did well, he managed things very well but the other backs were not converting those opportunities! We played 68% of the game in the Lions 22 and managed one try when they were down to 14 men? Let me not start on “No I will not pass” kill the Ball Andries Strauss, I was ready to have an apoplexy! And it did not help Ruan passing the ball to the assistant referees either :twisted:

  • Comment 42, posted at 05.10.09 09:32:47 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 37) :

    Was just yanking your chaines… ;-)

  • Comment 43, posted at 05.10.09 09:32:53 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 40) : imagine this take the penalies and lets go with Riaans kicking record of 50% so 3 of the 5 converted 9 points ad that to halftime lead different game 2nd half game is won and they play to get the tries intead of trying to win the game it is a mental thing Having said that we left 2 or 3 tries on the ground by wrong option taking Once that happened we were always in danger of losing

  • Comment 44, posted at 05.10.09 09:34:52 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : Oh I get it now! I really hope Alberts comes over we need another physical guy in our pack!

  • Comment 45, posted at 05.10.09 09:35:31 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 42) : keegan points penalties nil other 2

  • Comment 46, posted at 05.10.09 09:36:19 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 42) : yes what was plum thinking in taking waylon off and not struass for adi? when i saw adi come on i was peed off. when i saw he replaced waylon, i was uber-mal. waylon is looking good.

  • Comment 47, posted at 05.10.09 09:38:25 by try time Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 45) : Sorry to dissapoint Heard Jake has S14 job and that will mean Mossie albers and broken leg will stay

  • Comment 48, posted at 05.10.09 09:38:37 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 47) : Yep my family thought I was mad when I saw Waylon coming off and Strauss remaining I literally had a fit, and was hoping that Andries would pull a hammy or something not too painfull or damaging so Plum would have to make a better choice, all that happened was that Strauss injured Erkie Kruger instead :roll:

  • Comment 49, posted at 05.10.09 09:43:34 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 44) : no you need to go for tries and break a team early on. taking a penalty is a let off for the opposition. because they get the ball after the three points are taken and pin us back in our half. you have to get the seven and force them into taking chances. they took the first two 3 pointers on the chin, and then scored a try against us, and that is when the game ended for the sharks. the lions tails were up and it was a game of survival. no, you need to break the team early if you have them on the ropes. test their defence and make them doubt themselves if they let a try through. teams are happy to have 3 points kicked it relieves the pressure.

  • Comment 50, posted at 05.10.09 09:43:57 by try time Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 48) : That IS disapointing! not so much for Ludik but it would have been nice to have Alberts!

  • Comment 51, posted at 05.10.09 09:44:42 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 48) : where did you hear that?

  • Comment 52, posted at 05.10.09 09:46:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 33) : i think the lose trio is key and they just dont jell like that or is it gell Need a ball carrier Rhodes looked ok but still ver green gave away 2 kickable penalties-1 converted-
    if the trio is keegan/botes Walla and Hoff that will work botes Walla Keegan works but botes keagan and Hof doesnt

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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : you know where send me and e

  • Comment 54, posted at 05.10.09 09:48:25 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 44) : yes i agree with us leaving tries on the table. every week we seem to waste tries. our finishing is poor. how many tries did we miss against leopards and bulls? it is concerning.

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 53) : yeah. we need good backup rammers. someone to protect our ball. getting to the breakdown isn’t enough. you have to clear out the tackler before he can get his hands on the ball. forget going for the ball yourself. our player gets tackled the backup must be ready to kamikaze the tackler without going off his feet. with a third then creating the ruck. our loosies are to concerned about getting the ball out that they leave the tackled player exposed to the heinrich brussows of rugby.

  • Comment 57, posted at 05.10.09 09:55:21 by try time Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 51) : yeah now alberts knows how to clean players out. he is exactly what we need.

  • Comment 58, posted at 05.10.09 09:56:11 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 57) : pity our coach hasn’t worked this one out. It’s been clear since the round 1 defeat…

  • Comment 59, posted at 05.10.09 09:57:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 58) : what if we don’t get him, though?

  • Comment 60, posted at 05.10.09 09:59:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 57) :

    I would’ve been happy this past weekend IF they at least made an effort to get to the ball.. :roll:

  • Comment 61, posted at 05.10.09 09:59:55 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) :

    Brussow??? :lol: Maybe we can get him out of his Cheetah contract.. :lol:

  • Comment 62, posted at 05.10.09 10:01:10 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : its been clear since the 13th of february. :cry:

  • Comment 63, posted at 05.10.09 10:04:26 by try time Reply

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  • So BTW…I read in the Rapport that Div is taking about 7 odd “newbies” om the EOYT…what actually is funny / bad / ?? is that it all seems like backline players?? What about some front guys? IMO Sykes deserves a place ahead of whatshisname from WP…but Div seems to have a liking in him..

  • Comment 64, posted at 05.10.09 10:04:31 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 61) : i would have been happy if they actually finished off the countless try opportunities they created.

  • Comment 65, posted at 05.10.09 10:13:13 by try time Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Comment 64) : you got the names?

  • Comment 66, posted at 05.10.09 10:14:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) : everyone single one of our players that aren’t fetchers will be given a course in clearing out two hundred kg tackle bags setup up behind a mannequin. so their christmas break will involve tackling these bags away from the poor defenceless manequin on the floor. and if you fail at something so basic, you play in the vodacom cup.

  • Comment 67, posted at 05.10.09 10:17:16 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 67) : maybe Jake was right… teach your tackler to get up and contest. The rest need to learn to clean.

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.10.09 10:20:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) :

    Meyer Bosman, Robert Ebersohn, Ashley Johnson, Adriaan Strauss, Lionel Mapoe , Jong Nokwe,

    This is speculation not for certain…and the ones I can remember..

  • Comment 69, posted at 05.10.09 10:21:48 by GI Ice Reply
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  • i don’t understand why it is so hard. the new laws have made the tackled player ineffective. once you are tackled and brought to ground you have no part in the breakdown. unless youget on your feet quickly and pick the ball back up. but this is almost impossible. so as the tackled your only real job is to give your cleaners time to protect the ball. now all 14 teammates should be ready to clear out the tackler as he is getting to his feet. it is that simple.

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.10.09 10:22:31 by try time Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 68) : yes it is that simple. the reason why the sharks don’t get the quick ball the backs need is not cos they don’t have good enough fetchers, its cos no-one has cleaned the oppositions hands off the ball first.

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.10.09 10:24:15 by try time Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Comment 69) :

    Okay – but Strauss was a bok before – he mos forgot his passport in Bloem when he was called up fot SB Duty! :lol:

    I will see if I can get the names of the others – talks bout Lions backline player and some others, but I cannot remember and the article is not online..

    I would not mind Johnson and Mapoe getting a good go. Sjit Mapoe is only 20! and Johnson 23!

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.10.09 10:26:05 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 69) : gee, was it Hendrik Cronje who wrote that, by any chance?

    Maybe we should pick some people who don’t play for Free State!

    Ebersohn? what a joke. He’s injured anyway.

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.10.09 10:28:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • now johan muller is a decent cleaner. but his problem is he goes to ground after cleaning out the tackler. this usually ends in a penalty against the sharks, especially if Kaplan is on duty.

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.10.09 10:29:54 by try time Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Comment 72) : Johnston has been a revelation since being called back from the Griffons. I hope Rudolf is watching.

  • Comment 75, posted at 05.10.09 10:30:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • anyone else think Kaplan blew a shocker?

  • Comment 76, posted at 05.10.09 10:30:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 69) :

    Chris Jonck …

    Okay now I get articles with all sorts of names…some forwards WP Nel, Wian di Preez Coenie Oosthuizen..

  • Comment 77, posted at 05.10.09 10:32:24 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 74) : Johann Muller is such a bloody good lock. I wonder how much further he would have gone had he not been saddled with the captaincy…

  • Comment 78, posted at 05.10.09 10:35:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 73) :

    :mrgreen: Yes it is..

    @robdylan (Comment 76) :

    I dont think he had his best…

  • Comment 79, posted at 05.10.09 10:37:25 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 76) : yep me i watched him for the last few games that we have had him and its almost like he is out to get us!!! Penalty count against us must be huge when he has reffed od things Blowing Beast Blowing ? for playing the ball on the ground when we won the ball some strange decisions to say the least While we are on refs Jouberts decision to keep Kerschner on after the spear? Very Strange I thing Bros was spot on yesterday on ALl Out Rugby sometime you just have a off day But with JK not so sure it was an off day but rather an off side-Thats for ICE

  • Comment 80, posted at 05.10.09 10:45:07 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 69) : Ebersohn and strauss wont be there injured and out till new [email protected]GI Ice (Comment 72) : both are good players but will they fit into the side as much as i like them and they deserve better Johnston wont fit but Mapoe interesting catch

  • Comment 81, posted at 05.10.09 10:48:28 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 80) :

    Why’s that for me??

  • Comment 82, posted at 05.10.09 11:00:07 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 80) : of course, we didn’t help ourselves with all the ball carriers getting isolated

  • Comment 83, posted at 05.10.09 11:00:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 82) : conspiracy theory
    No my turn to jerk chains

  • Comment 84, posted at 05.10.09 11:05:31 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) : yes new game run away from your support!!!

  • Comment 85, posted at 05.10.09 11:06:08 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 85) : amazing that we managed to do it so often, given that we have so little pace anywhere in the team! :)

  • Comment 86, posted at 05.10.09 11:12:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) : lol

  • Comment 87, posted at 05.10.09 11:14:27 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 84) :

    :lol:

    @Fattmann (Comment 85) :

    Mvovo would do good then.. :roll: :twisted:

    BTW..Has anyone heard the Daughtry version of Poker Face..? I thinks its awsome!

  • Comment 88, posted at 05.10.09 11:23:58 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 88) : no havent heard it but not into current music like melody lines that you can sing and harmonise to
    Mvovo is one next year a good one at that

  • Comment 89, posted at 05.10.09 11:40:49 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 89) :

    So you are into Country?? :twisted: Just kidding – I do agree – seems the “older” songs made sense, now you get stuff like “Are we human, or are we Dancers?” I mean…WTF???? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 90, posted at 05.10.09 11:57:53 by GI Ice Reply
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  • As long as you can langarm to it I’m happy. :wink: :twisted:

  • Comment 91, posted at 05.10.09 12:05:36 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 91) :

    BEP song Tonights gonna be a good night is a good example of a Sakkie-able new song! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 92, posted at 05.10.09 12:10:07 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 90) : What happens if youre neither having listened to taxi music to ofter i know what is wrong with our youth-present company excluded! Too much bass hence they are all brain dead!!!!!!!!!!!! :razz:

  • Comment 93, posted at 05.10.09 12:15:36 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 92) : Can’t wait. :lol:

  • Comment 94, posted at 05.10.09 12:16:24 by McLovin Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Comment 92) : are you in music

  • Comment 95, posted at 05.10.09 12:24:26 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 94) :

    You gonna gooi and twirl the Missus around in the living room?? :lol:

    @Fattmann (Comment 93) :

    Thansk for the “Youth” compliment! ;-) I grew up where kids still slept under the table at the rugby onthaal…and Ican still remember all those words to the songs that my parents partied to…

  • Comment 96, posted at 05.10.09 12:27:34 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : captaincy definitely took away from his game. as captain he couldn’t get too dirty. and when he did he pissed the refs off. your captain can’t be a player that does the dirty work. this shows just how good john smit is that he fights it out and still is composed with the ref.

  • Comment 97, posted at 05.10.09 12:29:23 by try time Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 95) :

    I love music and will surely die without it!, but sadly I sound like Cameron Diaz in My best friends wedding , when she sang that karaoke song!! At school the choir teacher said I could be in the choir, but I must mime.. :mrgreen:

    Oh and I had a dance school – so I stil listen to music with a choreographers mind!

    Although – I can play the piano on ear…, so dont know what went wrong with the voice!

  • Comment 98, posted at 05.10.09 12:30:57 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 76) : he always does against the sharks. i notice he allows opposition teams a lot more lee way at the breakdown. and he regularly ignores skew lineout throws by the opposition. over the last few seasons i have noticed he allows opposition players to seal off the ball at breakdown, and then penalise the sharks for doing the same thing.

  • Comment 99, posted at 05.10.09 12:34:07 by try time Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Comment 96) : If that happens she’ll think I have finally lost my last marble or that I’ve been possesed. :lol:

  • Comment 100, posted at 05.10.09 12:38:33 by McLovin Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Comment 98) : I am a musician used to play pro clubs and such if you can hear to play it on the piano its not a hearing problem rather a breathing on or trying to sing too loud try softer and force yourself to concentrate on notes Alos what i find helps is singing not whistleing or humming but actually singing meloday and not only i n the bathroom!!!!!!!!
    give it a whirl

  • Comment 101, posted at 05.10.09 12:48:52 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 98) : cant spell for toffie

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 102) : @Fattmann (Comment 101) :

    You should hear me in the car!! :mrgreen:

    Dont laugh now, but I got 75% for Opera in my first year at Varsity.. :oops:

    I understand what ur saying – so dont let a few spelling errors ruin the friendship!

  • Comment 103, posted at 05.10.09 12:59:11 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 103) : Was it a written exam? :wink: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 104, posted at 05.10.09 13:02:13 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 104) :

    Nope Oral! :lol:

  • Comment 105, posted at 05.10.09 13:04:19 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 103) : what are you a Sop Alto or metz?
    if you want to fix the singing thing i can help I believe it is a confidence thing if people tell you cant sing often enought you believe it but unless you have had a major ear infection your 75% in the hard school where they crit tone and control and modulation would be good enough for most forms of music

  • Comment 106, posted at 05.10.09 13:08:58 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 106) :

    Soprano…geez I am revealing stuff, I dont think anyone would have imagine me doing!! :mrgreen:

    Funny thing is – I used to wear glasses (and if they were not compressed they would have been coke bottle bottoms – 6mm) when ever I took of my glasses, I ‘could not hear” properly – then realising that I do read a bit of lips – I can actually be a good commentator on Saturdays translating what the players say on th efield! :lol:

    Thank goodness for Lazik surgery!

  • Comment 107, posted at 05.10.09 13:15:30 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 107) :

    I always imagined I’d be Alto, as I have quite the “Big ” talking voice and somewhat hoarse / husky..but when the Madam listened to me I was gooied in the Soprano den!

  • Comment 108, posted at 05.10.09 13:17:34 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 108) : so whats the top of your range f or g
    intersted in contralto comment
    question if you sing second voice is it easier to hold pitch?

  • Comment 109, posted at 05.10.09 13:25:01 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 108) : do yourself a favour and go and listen to choir music I prefer black choirs and gospel ones-parts are better and see if you can fit yourself in May take a while but if you can then it confirms my theory
    A lot of ladies lose voice control after they have had children but just a bit or work and you will get it back
    try the choir thing it really works

  • Comment 110, posted at 05.10.09 13:28:53 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 109) :

    I would not know really – not lowest or highest – can tell you I certainly cannot reach what I use to, but I suppose without singing “lessons” or doing it often for years you lose the proper using of your diaphragma etc… – it was quite some time back.. :oops:

    But no – If I sing second voice it makes me deurmekaar ! :lol:

  • Comment 111, posted at 05.10.09 13:38:51 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 110) :

    Thats quite interesting! :shock: _ Is that your theory?

  • Comment 112, posted at 05.10.09 13:42:44 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 111) : ok now i know Have to go to meeting but will pick this up with later Sing Girl Sing

  • Comment 113, posted at 05.10.09 13:43:23 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 107) : the reason you can’t hear anyone is cos you don’t shut up long enough for them to talk. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 114, posted at 05.10.09 13:47:11 by try time Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 113) :

    Cheers!

  • Comment 115, posted at 05.10.09 13:47:41 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Comment 112) : yes one of them singing comes from the diaphram and very often after childbirth singers often lose voice control and its a matter of working it back into shape R U on yahoo messenger or such or can i ask rob for your e

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  • @try time (Comment 114) :

    You reckon?? :lol:

  • Comment 117, posted at 05.10.09 13:48:51 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 116) :

    U camn ask Rob – nomessenger

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