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Jaque could have a strong case


Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :In the news, Lions, WP on 14 Oct 2009 at 09:55

Cape Town – Jaque Fourie does not have a standard players contract with the Golden Lions Rugby Union (GLRU) and that is just one of the reasons he believes his agreement with the union is not binding.

He is also believed to be tired of having to play above himself to carry the Lions along with a handful of team-mates, and is said to be tired of the losing culture of the union. Fourie wants to leave the Lions to join Western Province, so that he can play for the Stormers next year.

Arbitration in the dispute between Fourie and the GLRU ended in Johannesburg on Tuesday, but a finding is only expected early next week. Information at Sport24’s disposal suggests that Fourie has a strong case.

The collective agreement between the South African Rugby Players’ Association (Sarpa) and the South African Rugby Employers Organisation (Sareo) determines that rugby unions must enter into agreements with players on standard players contracts.

Sport24 can reveal the following:

- Fourie does not have a standard players contract with the union. He did, however, enter into an agreement with them on August 11, 2008.

- Sareo already on June 26, 2008 sent the standard players contract and new collective agreement to rugby unions, and there was no reason for the GLRU to not apply it to Fourie.

- The agreement that Fourie reached with the GLRU does not stipulate his remuneration for the second year of the so-called contract. Furthermore, the terms of his remuneration such as allowances, deductions, match
fees and bonuses have not been filled in.

- Fourie’s contract with the GLRU indicates that he has been appointed as a “professional analyst” and not a rugby player.

The Springbok centre believes his relationship with the GLRU has broken down because he was prevented from joining French club Clermont earlier this year and his salary for next season was not revised.

Fourie apparently followed grievance procedures, but talks with Lions chief executive Manie Reyneke and union consultant Jake White did not solve the problems.

He is tired of the losing culture at the union, which is preventing him from reaching his professional, personal and financial goals.

Sarpa chief executive Piet Heymans called on rugby unions and player agents to use the standard players contract.

“All the parties have to do on the standard players contract is to fill in the remuneration and the term. The rest is determined by a broad process of negotiations between Sarpa and Sareo. The provinces should take cognisance of the collective agreement, of which the standard contract is an attachment,” said Heymans.

Sport24 has learned that six Lions players do not have standard contracts. Willem Alberts and Louis Ludik are also among them. Both have offers from the Sharks.



58 Comments

  • and the plot thickens..

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.10.09 10:04:41 by GI Ice Reply
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  • The Lions are a joke. :lol:

    If Fourie wins this case the Sharks will be very difficult to beat with the likes of Alberts and Ludik added to their ranks! :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.10.09 10:08:50 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 2) : the result of the arbitration should be interesting I’m of the opinion if JF wants to leave so badly, the Lions should let him go and get compensation from WP

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.10.09 10:20:17 by war1 Reply
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  • One could argue that if he and gatkramp Pretorius actually played a bit more then just maybe the Lions would’nt be in the prediciment they are in.

    This guy really has a healthy self image -
    “He is also believed to be tired of having to play above himself to carry the Lions along with a handful of team-mates”
    and he did most of that while injured – amazing.

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.10.09 10:22:07 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 4) :

    Nothing wrong with being confident in your abilities. ;-)

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.10.09 10:32:42 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 5) :
    He is probably right though, after all there must be a reason that Province are fighting so hard for him.

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.10.09 10:37:35 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 4) :

    There’s a fine line between confidence and arrogance..I think he has overstepped it just a tad bit..

    I would know – I am an arrogant Sharks supporter after all!! ;-)

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.10.09 10:39:57 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 6) :

    Damn straight!!

    We need someone to replace Captain Watermelon’s Ego!! :lol:

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.10.09 10:48:05 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 8) : :roll:

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.10.09 10:55:21 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 8) : this was the same guy who called himself “the world’s best centre” when he wasn’t even in the Bok starting team! he clearly has faith in his abilities

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.10.09 11:13:38 by war1 Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 4) : the lions always looked different team when he was playing.

    but as a WP / Stormers supporter I would worry – cos it looks like he’s saying I don’t want to play like this anymore :mrgreen:

    @war1 (Comment 10) : Adi’s back! :razz:

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.10.09 11:20:57 by rekinek Reply
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  • The only reason I could pick up that the Lions do not want to release him was that they are happy to release him to a foreign club, but not against a local one out of principle because he would be playing against them…

    WTF?

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.10.09 11:32:38 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 12) : there is some twisted logic in it – they’re afraid of him.

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.10.09 11:37:44 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 13) :

    Well for a team who currently celebrates ending 6th on the log and marketing their season as ‘successful’ there is a lot of twisted shit that goes on there!

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.10.09 11:40:42 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 14) :

    BWAHHAAHHAAHHAAA

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.10.09 11:59:00 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 14) : don’t kick a man on the floor – still sulking after sat? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.10.09 12:03:15 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 16) :

    Not at all the log ended up exactly as I predicted!

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.10.09 12:13:03 by Morné Reply
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  • “professional analyst” Thats a self inflated opinion, Fouries strikes me as a good rugby player but i suspect his analysis amounts to single figure numbers….number of tackles and so forth. :lol:

    So i reckon the Lions deserve to lose him for such a stuffy title :grin:

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.10.09 12:16:35 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • my reasons for wanting him released are, of course, completely selfish! I want LL and Big Vic :)

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.10.09 12:19:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : why would you want Big Vic?

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.10.09 12:22:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 20) : “Big Vic” is Willem Alberts’ nickname.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.10.09 12:28:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : are you trying to confuse me :roll:
    BTW how old is alberts?

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.10.09 12:42:12 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 22) : yes :)

    I think he’s 25

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.10.09 12:47:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : @robdylan (Comment 23) : that he is, could not understand the big vic nickname either

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.10.09 12:54:38 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 24) : c’mon, guys… work with me here :) Do your background reading! There’s a whole internet out there waiting to be discovered

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.10.09 13:10:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) :

    enlighten us rather, wont you? Pretty pleasssee! :grin: ;-)

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.10.09 13:23:00 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : Time, time time….. :roll:

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.10.09 13:28:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : That’s why we have you ;-)

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.10.09 13:28:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 27) : look what’s become of me

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.10.09 13:34:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : ah, you’ll be fine

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.10.09 14:07:10 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 30) : it’s the next line of the song that Pokkel started :)

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.10.09 14:20:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : hehehehe :lol:

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.10.09 14:30:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : im still a youngster, i dont know all ur old songs ;-)

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.10.09 15:23:06 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 33) :

    :twisted:

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.10.09 15:29:31 by GI Ice Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 33) : Hazy Shade of Winter… Simon and Garfunkel

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.10.09 15:31:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 33) : and the old ones are the best :)

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.10.09 15:32:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : Oh! my bad, I know that one “look around, leaves are brown and the sky is a hazy shade of winter”

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.10.09 16:03:48 by war1 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : oh yeah, for sure, especially simon and garfunkel, legendary

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.10.09 16:04:33 by war1 Reply
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  • Okay – It’s official – Jaque is officially now a WP / Stormer….

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.10.09 08:13:05 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 39) :

    BRILLIANT News!!! :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.10.09 08:26:58 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 40) : Oh well, the world’s best 13 is yours now…

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.10.09 08:35:04 by blackshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 40) : Is it?Really?

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.10.09 08:39:45 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 42) :

    Jaque Fourie has broken ties with the Golden Lions and will be allowed to play for Western Province next season.

    According to Die Burger, Fourie’s lawyer Frikkie Erasmus confirmed that the Springbok centre will not be committed to Golden Lions Rugby Union in 2010 after several weeks of contractual conflicts.

    ‘The arbitrator has decided that there is no forced agreement between Jaque and the GLRU and he will not be forced to play professional rugby for the Lions in the 2010 season,’ he said.

    Manager Peet van Zyl added that Fourie will now be able to sign a two-year contract with Western Province, that will run from 1 November 2009 to 31 October 2011.

    ‘Jaque will now be allowed to join Western Province and that is where he wants to be. I’m am happy that this has worked out for him,’ said Van Zyl.

    Fourie will become WP’s second big signing, after the Cape Town union secured the services of Springbok wing Bryan Habana for next season earlier this year.

    Meanwhile, GLRU president Kevin de Klerk said the union will not allow their other players to leave in a similar manner.

    ‘I hope that Jaque will reconsider now that Dick Muir has become our coach. He must now live with himself, knowing he is one of our sons and we have nurtured him,’ he said. ‘We will not let players go like we have allowed in the past.’

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.10.09 08:45:11 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 43) :

    I think he meant ‘is it really BRILLIANT news” …not if it was true…you should know my sauces are always reliable.. :roll: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.10.09 08:47:37 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 39) : Sweet deal.

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.10.09 08:50:48 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 45) :

    I am happy if yo are happy… ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.10.09 08:53:56 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 46) :

    Hey!! :evil:

    Stop flirting with Sauce!! Jy getroud jong… LOL

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.10.09 08:57:49 by wpw Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 44) : 10 points for the aunty

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.10.09 08:59:59 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • read an article saying that The lions will have a tough job keeping their other senior players, as they are also on this toiletpaper contract, and that if they receive offers from other unions, they should be free to go… (Is that meant for Ludick and Alberts??) :razz: :grin:

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.10.09 09:01:37 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 47) :

    THAT, my dear, is not remotely close to flirting… :wink:

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.10.09 09:04:49 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • “We will not let players go like we have allowed in the past.”

    Try contracting them properly you clowns.

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.10.09 09:06:32 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • and while were at it, why dont we take baywatch aswell?? playing with the sharks, he could be pretty good…

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.10.09 09:06:36 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 47) : Sheeesh you on a short leash ? :lol:

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.10.09 09:08:13 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 51) :

    :lol:

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.10.09 09:13:39 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 52) :

    I have an idea that with Muir around, the guys might actually consider staying…

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.10.09 09:18:42 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 55) : i hear what your saying, but i think at the lions, it will take about a year or 2 to get them on the map again.At the sharks they will step in to a pretty good side. and i think, for their springbok aspirations it would be better at the sharks?

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.10.09 09:30:27 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 55) :

    Did you hear the ‘Jake and Eddie show’ has left the Coke Tin?? :|

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.10.09 09:47:12 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 57) :

    I did yesterday on the radio on my way to work…

    @VanWilder (Comment 56) :

    Truth in that too yes..but I think the Lions’ “shares” have just climbed a bit with that decision..

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.10.09 10:11:16 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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