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SA Rugby Nominations – WP the Bafana of SA rugby?


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Admin, In the news on 16 Oct 2009 at 06:30
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JJ Harmse takes to task the SA Rugby Award nominations, wondering what on earth WP have done to get nominated.

Former All Black and New Zealand sevens representative, Eric Rush, is a popular choice as a guest speaker in many places in the world.

Rush, who played on the wing and as a loose forward on the international stage, of course made his name in the shorter version of the game and was one of the stalwarts of a very successful Kiwi sevens team that dominated the world series in the first six or seven years of its inception.

He also toured South Africa in 1994 with the All Blacks and it was his elevation to the national team that has prompted one of his best stories.

A very fluent and witty speaker, Rush has travelled the world, and I was fortunate enough to attend a ‘gentleman’s’ dinner or two with him as the speaker.

The one story that always gets me is how his father reacted when he made the All Blacks. Rush tells the story that his dad was a hard drinking, no nonsense man, who often failed to see the funny side of things.

He was very passionate about his son’s progress in the game though. Often, in the early years, when Rush was not picked for a particular team, his father would console him with the following words: “Don’t worry son, it’s just one man’s opinion”.

This encouraged Rush, who was keen to please his dad and he progressed in due time and finally cracked the All Blacks. So when he heard about his inclusion in the All Black squad to tour South Africa, he immediately phoned his dad to share the good news.

Finally he could please his dad and share the joy of being picked for his country. In short, he had made it.

His dad’s reaction: “Don’t worry son, it’s just one man’s opinion!”

The moral of the story is an important lesson for all of us who tend to get carried away with seemingly crazy selections …

Something that is not one man’s opinion, though, are the SA Rugby Player Award nominations that were released yesterday. The SA rugby media share their nominations in the various categories, so it was a shock to see some of the names presented in some of the categories.

Sure, one needs to accept the view of the majority, but some of those are beyond belief. For example: Team of the year – Western Province. What? How on earth did that happen?

I can understand the nomination of the Springboks, the Bok sevens side, the Bulls and Griquas. All have won something this year and actually have a trophy cabinet to prove it. But Western Province? Is finishing second in Currie Cup now the new first? Are WP the Bafana Bafana of rugby? Why not the Sharks if you wanted to use the Currie Cup as yardstick?

We have enough greatness in our game and enough teams who perform on a regular basis. There is no need to reward mediocrity.

Similar with the nominations for Currie Cup player of the year. We have three players from WP along with Sarel Pretorius and Stefan Terblanche. Really?

Juan de Jongh has certainly improved a lot and has become a very prominent player, Joe Pietersen played some good rugby, and Luke Watson scored a lot of tries from the back of the Province maul, but how on earth did they get nominated ahead of some very deserving players from the Sharks, Bulls, Lions and Cheetahs?

It is great to see Province finally making it into the top four as they have the potential and pedigree to be there all the time. But three of the top five Currie Cup players from one team? Again, are we rewarding second best? Has WP become the Bafana Bafana of rugby?

Some of the other categories will be closely fought. Fourie du Preez should be player of the year, but what a season for both Morné Steyn and Heinrich Brüssow! They certainly deserve a lot of credit for their first full seasons in Test rugby.

One could have easily nominated five more Boks, though. Jaque Fourie will be in the race for try of the year for his late try against the Lions in Pretoria. His name deserves to be in the player of the year category as well, but it’s not.

I thought Bismarck du Plessis had the best season of his life, but he was not nominated at all. Du Plessis was colossal in the Lions series and established himself as the best hooker in the world during the Tri Nations. He made numerous crucial turnovers during the season, was spot-on with his lineouts, and has often been a tower of strength in the Bok pack. He deserves to be there.

But then, that is only one man’s opinion!

Article originally published on News 24 written by JJ Harmse.



77 Comments

  • I Actually agree with BB for a change.

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.10.09 06:31:16 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • I can’t believe you put up this thread. :roll:

    This is JJ’s 3rd article this week where he ‘has a go’ at WP.

    I wonder if he will be at the presser after the WP match so that Claytie can give him a PK. :twisted:

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.10.09 06:39:20 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 2) :

    WHAT!?!?!??!! I missed the other two???????????? Where are they let me get them up? :razz: :razz:

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.10.09 06:41:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • So finishing 2nd on the CC table is mediocre?? :???:

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.10.09 06:42:06 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 4) : considering the amount of nominations sharks got for their 1st place – yes :???:

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.10.09 06:46:59 by rekinek (the battle has begun...) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 4) :

    No.

    Finishing 10th on the S14 log is LESS than mediocre though. :oops:

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.10.09 06:50:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @rekinek (the battle has begun…) (Comment 5) :

    You guys won most of the awards last year, please give us a chance!! ;-)

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.10.09 06:53:07 by wpw Reply
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  • @rekinek (the battle has begun…) (Comment 5) :

    I’m with JJ and rekinek on this.
    I can understand the nomination of the Springboks, the Bok sevens side, the Bulls and Griquas. All have won something this year and actually have a trophy cabinet to prove it. But Western Province? Is finishing second in Currie Cup now the new first? Are WP the Bafana Bafana of rugby? Why not the Sharks if you wanted to use the Currie Cup as yardstick?

    Sharks S14 – 6th
    WP S14 – 10th

    Sharks CC – 1st
    WP CC – 2nd

    Sharks get no nomination, WP get one?????????????? HTH did that happen?

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.10.09 06:54:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 7) :
    :lol:

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.10.09 06:55:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 6) :

    Can you read?? :twisted:

    Western Province was nominated, not the Stormers!!! :evil:

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.10.09 06:56:01 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 10) :

    I reckon I’m fighting a losing battle on this one seeing as this IS a Sharks website… :roll:

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.10.09 06:57:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 10) :

    IS there actually a difference?

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.10.09 06:59:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Well, if they dont want to give us any awards, lets go and win the cup, that’s a good enough award in my mind

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.10.09 07:41:43 by war1 Reply
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  • Jealousy, that’s all. :twisted:

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.10.09 07:43:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 11) : u doing well .

    though some armour would help.

    @McLovin (Comment 14) : :twisted:

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.10.09 07:45:42 by rekinek (the battle has begun...) Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 13) : agreed.

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.10.09 07:46:11 by rekinek (the battle has begun...) Reply
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  • I also don’t get the Bafana chirp :?:

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.10.09 07:47:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 17) : 17 or so people welcomed Bafana Bafana at the airport

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.10.09 07:51:21 by rekinek (the battle has begun...) Reply
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  • @rekinek (the battle has begun…) (Comment 18) :

    I heard there was 10. bwahahahahaha

    :lol:

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.10.09 08:08:31 by wpw Reply
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  • ok, I have a question for you guys. Who would you nominate from the Sharks for their Currie Cup campaign? You guys have to keep in mind you had 100 sharks playing for the boks and there weren’t that many standouts while they were away. Who would you pick for being consistantly good? Other than Steffie?

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.10.09 08:51:53 by molly Reply
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  • I, SALMONOID THE FIRST, FOR THE RECORD, CATEGEGORICALLY STATE THAT I AM NOT (OR EVER WAS) JJ HARMSE.

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.10.09 08:56:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 20) :

    JMH?
    Sykes?
    MAYBE McLeod

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.10.09 09:00:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 21) : :lol:

    did have my suspicions, with that Blue orientated avatar of yours. :wink:

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.10.09 09:00:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 20) :
    As mentioned yesterday, my gripe is with the nominations for the team and coach of the year, ahead of The Sharks and Plum – for obvious reason that have nothing to do with jealousy, but plenty to do with games won and log positions.

  • Comment 24, posted at 16.10.09 09:02:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 22) : seriously? JMH? He’s been VERY average, a few drop kicks doesn’t make a good player. McLeod only started like 2 games, same as Dumond and he did more with his few starts. I don’t know about Sykes, don’t really remember seeing too much of him, but I don’t focus on forwards.

    Lets just face it, there are no real strong stand outs from the sharks, they may be #1 on the log, but no one was consistantly good.

  • Comment 25, posted at 16.10.09 09:04:36 by molly Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 24) : I agree with that. But also keep in mind Coetzee turned a team that was 5th/6th on the log last year (and the year before and the year before) to #2 this year. As opposed to Sharks being great last year and much the same this year.

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.10.09 09:06:30 by molly Reply
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  • Hoi ja, is nog WP diekante!Wat sê die mênse vannie Shaakswirlt

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.10.09 09:08:12 by BoetaC Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 20) : charl mcleod

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.10.09 09:11:06 by rekinek (the battle has begun...) Reply
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  • Let me just state, I don’t think it’s right WP is dominating the categories, but please, recommend some other names cause you might actually struggle to come up with them. You can’t just criticise and not offer solutions.

  • Comment 29, posted at 16.10.09 09:12:37 by molly Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 22) : not JMH – i do not think he was so brilliant sofar.

    maybe he is just unwinding and will shine now

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.10.09 09:13:00 by rekinek (the battle has begun...) Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 25) :

    JMH has been playing Running rugby (in the games that I saw) and I think he was/ is one of the top two #10s on display in the CC if we don’t consider the Boks.

    McLeod showed his abilities when he started ahead of Kockott and had many of us calling for HIM to be our #1 scrummy rather than “On my own Kockott” When he came on as a sub he was also awesome.

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.10.09 09:15:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 23) :
    It is very blue, I think it tends towards WP blue more than BB blue.

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.10.09 09:16:01 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @BoetaC (Comment 27) :

    Nie veel nie. Ons probeer nog oor die skok van so baie WP nominasies kom. :razz:

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.10.09 09:17:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) : :grin:

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.10.09 09:17:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I agree with Molly. :smile:

    Luke, De Jongh and Pietersen have had VERY good seasons and I think they deserve to be nominated.

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.10.09 09:18:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 35) :

    I just hope we win the CC with Terblanche as captain becasue if we don’t then Luke WILL win the CC player of the year award.

    He deserves it IMO. (man it grates me to say that) ;-)

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.10.09 09:21:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 26) :
    Wholeheartedly agree re Alister Coetzee and WP having made great strides this year, but again, then create a categorie for for most improved and nominate them there, not above a team, and coach that have once again done the business with depleted resources.

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.10.09 09:22:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 29) :

    You are much better at this than me!! :roll:

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.10.09 09:22:47 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 37) :

    Plumtree is not a Saffa and will not get a nomination for anything, even if he wins the S14 and the CC. :sad:

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.10.09 09:24:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 33) : Skok se gat!WP was mos most duidelik die jaar, dit maakie wie die trophy wen, WP is mos the bestest team this year.

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.10.09 09:25:28 by BoetaC Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 33) :

    Boeta C doesn’t understand suiwer Afrikaans!! :twisted:

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.10.09 09:25:51 by wpw Reply
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  • @BoetaC (Comment 40) :

    :shock:

    Maar hulle is dan tweede op die punte leer? :razz: En gaan tien teen een nie eers die Finaal haal nie.

    (Rassie gaan ten minste ‘n ekstra week se S14 voorbereiding tyd kry) :razz: ;-)

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.10.09 09:27:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 41) :

    Then he’s gonna battle with my previous comment. :lol:

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.10.09 09:28:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) : it is only because SA is missing quality 10s. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.10.09 09:28:38 by rekinek (the battle has begun...) Reply
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  • @rekinek (the battle has begun…) (Comment 44) : :razz: :lol:

  • Comment 45, posted at 16.10.09 09:31:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) & @rekinek (the battle has begun…) (Comment 44) : No one think Naas Olivier had a good season?

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.10.09 09:32:12 by molly Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 39) :
    That, and the fact that the Sharks havent sold their sole to Vodacom.

  • Comment 47, posted at 16.10.09 09:32:20 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 46) :
    Naas Olivier was really good, much improved.

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.10.09 09:33:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @rekinek (the battle has begun…) (Comment 44) :

    And that is what actually makes it hurt so much more. CC Player of the year should be about the best player in SA not the best player if you exclude the Boks.

    Boks should play in the CC. The Aussies should get their own dommestic season and stop calling for longer international seasons to try and prop up their failing Rugby union.

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.10.09 09:34:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 47) :

    Yeah, I hadn’t even considered that. :sad:

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.10.09 09:35:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I see that Naas Botha tips the Cheetahs to beat the Sharks tomorrow. Now that should be enough motivation to dig a bit deeper to get the win..

  • Comment 51, posted at 16.10.09 09:35:55 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 46) :

    He Did actually

  • Comment 52, posted at 16.10.09 09:36:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 42) : Maweer

  • Comment 53, posted at 16.10.09 09:38:28 by BoetaC Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 52) :

    Last weekend there was a comment in one of the matches about two players being joint leaders on the CC scoring list in 2009.

    Who were they?

  • Comment 54, posted at 16.10.09 09:41:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @BoetaC (Comment 53) :

    can someone (WPW) trnaslate for me please? :oops:

  • Comment 55, posted at 16.10.09 09:42:09 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 49) : +10

  • Comment 56, posted at 16.10.09 09:54:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @BoetaC (Comment 53) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 57, posted at 16.10.09 09:56:45 by wpw Reply
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  • PROOOOOOOOOVVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINCE!

  • Comment 58, posted at 16.10.09 10:01:52 by BoetaC Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 55) :

    It means ‘back at you’ ;-)

  • Comment 59, posted at 16.10.09 10:11:37 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 59) :

    Not what I had thought it meant at ALL!!!!!!!!!

    Seems I need to brush up on my papsak a little. :razz: :oops:

  • Comment 60, posted at 16.10.09 10:23:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 60) : Plan maak ou bra

  • Comment 61, posted at 16.10.09 10:40:23 by BoetaC Reply

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  • WP JOU LEKKA DING! WP JOU LEKKA DING!!

  • Comment 62, posted at 16.10.09 10:41:35 by BoetaC Reply

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  • @BoetaC (Comment 61) :

    Will make a plan in July 2010. :wink:

  • Comment 63, posted at 16.10.09 10:42:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • All this tension building up here would go to waste if we don’t meet in the FINAL…

    So for that – I’ll be shouting for PROVINCE tomorrow…well, after the Sharks…

  • Comment 64, posted at 16.10.09 10:45:40 by blackshark Reply

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  • Has anyone seen Claytie??

    I need him to open up a can of ‘whip ass’ on JJ Harmse!! :twisted:

  • Comment 65, posted at 16.10.09 10:48:02 by wpw Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 64) :

    For this site a Sharks v Metros final will be the best. :wink:

    All the Metros shouting for the Sharks next week will be a bit of a traffic limiter next week. ;-)

  • Comment 66, posted at 16.10.09 10:49:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 65) :

    He agrees with BB Harmse, so he is staying outta site. :razz:

  • Comment 67, posted at 16.10.09 10:50:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • JJ is the Malema of rugby journalists. :lol:

  • Comment 68, posted at 16.10.09 10:52:42 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 64) : salute broer, jys a duidelikke laaitie

  • Comment 69, posted at 16.10.09 10:53:32 by BoetaC Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 65) : I see BB is going to be there tomorrow,maybe I can accidentally throw him over the balcony.

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 68) :

    Bwhahahahhahahahaha :mrgreen:

  • Comment 71, posted at 16.10.09 10:54:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 64) : thats the spirit. I like you.

  • Comment 72, posted at 16.10.09 10:55:48 by molly Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 67) : WHAT???I keel you!

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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 70) :

    I will give you a millions bucks if you do that!!! ;-)

    (Zim dollars of course) :twisted:

  • Comment 74, posted at 16.10.09 10:57:42 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 74) : I wonder if i can smokkel me in by the fancy shmancy media mense.

  • Comment 75, posted at 16.10.09 11:00:55 by BoetaC Reply

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  • @BoetaC (Comment 75) :

    Might work as long as you don’t smile cos they frown upon okes wiff no teef!! :o

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  • Fourie du Preez, Morné Steyn, Heinrich Brüssow, Sarel Pretorius and Stefan Terblanche have been nominated for the coveted SA Players’ Player of the Year award.

    Nominations for this prestigious accolade are made by the 452 members of Sarpa which include all the Springboks and professional players of the 14 provincial unions. In 2008, the award was won by Jean de Villiers, who also walked away with the SA Player of the Year prize.

    CEO of Sarpa Piet Heymans said selection for the Players’ Player of the Year will differ from previous years in that there will be two rounds of casting votes.

    ‘Whereas in the past the player who had received the most nominations from the members of Sarpa automatically received the award, this year all the members have been requested to vote again for these five nominees only in a second round of voting, which closes on midnight, Sunday October 18,’ he said.

    ‘The nominations are a true and fair reflection of the performances in the Currie Cup as well as at international level. To be nominated by a player you have played against is a great honour and confirms that such a player is respected by his peers. I am sure that whatever the result, any one of these nominees will be a worthy winner of the Sarpa Players’ Player of the Year award.’

    The winner will be announced at Saru’s annual award banquet on 2 November.

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