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What a Plummer!


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 19 Oct 2009 at 09:26

My mate Big Fish sent me a pretty telling sms on Saturday, after the Sharks had squandered a healthy-seeming lead and lost to the Cheetahs in the Currie Cup semi-final.

He was, needless to say, just a little worked up at the time, but his words ring true nevertheless. “What kind of an amateur [email protected] coach can only think of up-and-unders and drop-goals as a tactic with 13 internationals in his team?” Now I realise that I have somewhat of a penchant for scattering the blame far and wide when the Sharks lose, but in this case, my learned friend is spot on. We lost on Saturday due to poor coaching and John Plumtree needs to take this one on the nose.

The Cheetahs, despite fielding a team that, on paper, should have lost by 15 points or more, managed to outplay the Sharks in every facet of the game and I don’t for one second buy that they ‘wanted it more on the day’. They were the better coached side and actually went into the match with a game plan. The Sharks looked, as always, like they were trying to make it up as they went along.

So, on to the specifics. How is it possible that the Springbok front row was so comprehensively drilled by a bunch of relative no-names? Are the Sharks front five soft, all of a sudden? The same front row that bested the Lions and won the Tri-Nations? I doubt it. Were all three front-rankers carrying injuries? That’s possible, but then howcome both front row replacements sat on the wood for 80 minutes? It was, to me, pretty baffling that we had numerical superiority in terms of front-rankers in the squad, yet chose not to use it. Poor tactics. And poor scrumming technique, which again comes down to coaching. Who is the Sharks scrumming coach these days anyway? Balie Swart is now with the Lions… Did Straueli piss him off too?

Our pack, as a whole, never fronted up at the breakdown. This is an issue we’ve identified before and discussed as recently as two weeks ago, after exactly the same thing happened against the Lions. The problem seems to be a combination of poor technique and bad selection. Plumtree, as a former loose forward and specialist forwards coach, seems unable to identify or correct either problem. Instead, we’re fed the same tired excuses about the referee, or Hein Brussow, or the humidity, price of oil, war in Iraq, or whatever else he happens to think of at the time.

It’s the backs, though, that present the biggest problem and running an eye down the list of names makes the mind boggle – how can that combination be anything other than simply unstoppable on attack? How can a team that contains the combined attacking genius of Pienaar, Jacobs, Pietersen and Hernandez, fail to score tries by the bucketload? Well, if they’re being told to kick the call away, it might go some way to explain it. Rugby is a simple game. The forwards win clean ball and backs attack with it. Our backs, to a man, have shown that they have the individual talent to make things happen with ball in hand and yet the meaningless kicking continues unabated.

It’s nowhere near good enough and I for one hope that somewhere on the shopping list the Sharks have drawn up, we might find the name of a coach capable of doing this team justice.



152 Comments

  • I’ve never seen a more “individualistic” performance in my life – looks like there were no practice sessions during the week.

    I thought that after that intercept try the Sharks were going to wake up and actually start playing like a team. How wrong I was…more useless DG attempts…I could’ve pulled my hair if I wasn’t wearing a cap.

    We got to the good areas but we failed to force the mistakes out of the Cheetahs – instead we committed a number of unforced errors…too tterrible to watch & difficult to translate to words. :evil:

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.10.09 09:42:21 by blackshark Reply
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  • I disagree with Rob and Fish on this one.

    Yes a lot does happen on the practice field prior to the game, but it is never coached into a team to defend a lead and kick 4 drop goals where ball should be kept in hand, and momentum built. That comes down to ON-FIELD decision making.

    I said this at the start of the Super 14, you have the best captain in the world, yet Plum and Co continue to ignore this…

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.10.09 09:47:30 by Morné Reply
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  • The Sharks looked well in control in the first 40. Even though they lacked penetration.

    Something mentally changed in the second, and rabbits in headlights comes to mind which is shocking for a Bok-laden Sharks team.

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.10.09 09:48:41 by Morné Reply
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  • Can you please tell me who Mr Eisntein is that came up with THAT gameplan for the Sharks??

    What in the hell did they think they are doing? We have seen before that the kicking game get us nowhere. And one would think after the 2nd failed dropkick attempt someone might come up with an alternative plan…maar nee….ons try drop van nommer 9 regdeur tot by die senters..

    and if we have the ball we kick it and give it to the opponent, shit, we dont want the ball…well boys – I have news – you cannot score if you do not have the ball..THAT is BASICS…duh!! And so much for our Bok front row..

    I am hurt, sore, speechless and have that DONT F$#$ WITH ME TODAY look on my face..actually my whole body language. The last time I felt like this was when Habana stole the S14 title from us..

    But like WAR1, I am still a fan – just extemely dissapointed one..

    In my opinion neither of the finalists really deserve their spot…The Cheetahs poks everyyear – but are they the better team – NO otherwise they would have been on top of the log and not slipped in at number 4 at the last minute…but unfortunately “pokse tel”…

    WP had the bulls by the horn…and I was so dissapointed for them. What a game! Me thinks Naqelavuki should stay in his house untill he’s plain departs for home, because I am convinced you are gonna get lemmed, broe!!

    I feel for all your WP supporters!

    Comment 35, posted at 19.10.09 08:25:41 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!)

    Seems me and your “learned” friend watched the same game!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.10.09 09:56:10 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • ‘Instead, we’re fed the same tired excuses about the referee, or Hein Brussow, or the humidity, price of oil, war in Iraq, or whatever else he happens to think of at the time.’

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.10.09 09:56:49 by wpw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 2) :

    Was it not 5 DG attempts, or did it just feel like that to me??

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.10.09 10:00:47 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 2) :
    Too true.

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.10.09 10:03:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 5) :

    No one can take it away from him…Brussouw was/ is brilliant (but he might have been less brilliant on the day if the guys had support from the front guys and protected the ball a bit better..

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.10.09 10:06:13 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 3) : they started saving themselves for a final :mrgreen:

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.10.09 10:07:25 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 6) :

    Could have been, not sure.

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.10.09 10:12:01 by Morné Reply
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  • I have questioned this kind of approach since Plum took over from Muir… :evil:

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.10.09 10:22:31 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 11) : what the view “from the inside”? I’ve had one (nameless) player tell me that he doesn’t feel there’s much of a gameplan…

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.10.09 10:25:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • My biggest question mark was over the bench, why didnt we have a paceman on the bench… we essentially had three flyhalves(pienaar,hernandez and Dumond) but no paceman on the bench!! Mvovo would have caught Potgieter hands down!! Then why didnt some of the heavies from the bench come on? And what was up with the drop goals… Jacobs attempt being the most shocking… he essentially kicked away good possesion and gave it to the Cheetahs with time running out, why not just hold on to the ball dammit!

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.10.09 10:28:59 by Miguel Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 11) :

    Charlie, hi, we saw in the past few plus week, that we can play “expansive” rugby and succeeded doing so…why they went back to up and unders and DG attempts and simply just kicking posession away is really really baffling me..

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.10.09 10:31:27 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Miguel (Comment 13) : good point, good point…

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.10.09 10:32:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Miguel (Comment 13) :

    Yeah…it didn’t help that we had no decent “wing” to replace Odwa…

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.10.09 10:34:20 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 16) : I was just trying to figure the logic behind Monty Dumonds inclusion… it just didnt make sense to me.. he should have been sacrificed for someone with some toe! If something happened to Hernandez all that had to happen was that pienaar ould shift and Kockott would come on.. I cant see where Dumond Fitted in!

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.10.09 10:39:03 by Miguel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : This aint any secret, it’s even visible for a blind man from the outside… :roll:

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.10.09 10:39:15 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Miguel (Comment 17) : The kicking game was the gameplan, IMO Waylon Murray would have been a better option… ;-)

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.10.09 10:40:54 by Charlie Reply

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  • When we conceded that last PK – I said – this is the defining moment…

    When Kanko (?) slapped the LO to our side – I thought …wheeew…we’re off the hook – but again there was no quick support for Albert(?) – and the ball was quickly turned over to the Cheetahs. We were just plain lazy on Saturday – physically and mentally…

    Forgive the (?) – it seems my post-match attempts to delete this game from my memory worked to a certain extent… :twisted:

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.10.09 10:41:14 by blackshark Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 14) : PLUM’S GAME PLAN, my skat :roll:

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.10.09 10:41:32 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Miguel (Comment 17) :

    I’m with you there. Would’ve been nice if he had nailed that +50m PK…at least…

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.10.09 10:43:42 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 19) : i agree waylon would have been a better option!! The kicking game was so predictable it was shocking though…. i think if we ran one at the end there the Cheetahs might have been tested a little bit! I just keep thinking to myself how no one could step up and say woah guys we are currently sucking at drop goals

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.10.09 10:44:21 by Miguel Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 21) :

    Eish – your DG attempt Charlie…that’s the one that broke my heart the most… I mean dude…we had options on both sides… :twisted:

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.10.09 10:45:05 by blackshark Reply

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  • I miss Dick Muir… :sad:

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.10.09 10:46:30 by Charlie Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 20) :

    I was so shell-shocked that I did not even have the energy to make attempts post match to delete my memory!!

    I actuall woke up yesterday morning with the 1st thing on my mind…why cant this be Saturday monring again..”

    @Charlie (Comment 21) :

    Did he not see what we did before then… :evil:

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.10.09 10:47:15 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Miguel (Comment 23) : As a rugby player myself, I do not have a problem with the kicking game, just the execution of it, the Boks proved that it does work… ;-)

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.10.09 10:48:32 by Charlie Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 24) : Just followed the instruction from the side line… :roll:

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.10.09 10:49:35 by Charlie Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 24) :

    :twisted:

    @Charlie (Comment 25) :

    I liked him too, but we still was not succesful under him..if you think of it…no trophies..

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.10.09 10:49:43 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 27) : No For sure, England won a World Cup that way… we won everything that way this year!! But the Sharks are not a kicking team… Where is the flair? I must admit that every Time JP got the ball i was excited because he was making it happen… the Sharks are a running team… look at the sheer brilliance amongst individuals… just open up the game!!

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.10.09 10:51:52 by Miguel Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 29) : The Sharks was on their way to success when Dick Muir left… ;-)

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.10.09 10:53:29 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Miguel (Comment 30) :

    JP had a very good game – I like that kid!

    @Charlie (Comment 31) :

    He deserted us… ;-) No – really – I liked him, but I suppose he is a kitty-cat now.. :???:

    Okay on this note – who would you people get in to coach if we fire Plum?? :lol:

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.10.09 10:57:48 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • Loffie Eloff :roll:

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.10.09 11:03:02 by Charlie Reply

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  • I actually could not help but to burts out laughing when Richardt Strauss did a throw -in and his eye was shut like that – it looked like he was “mikking” seriously though – that must have been a fricken mean fist / knee whatever he walked into – I have never seen a eye shut like that before! :mrgreen:

    @Charlie (Comment 33) :

    I am being serious, Skattie!!

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.10.09 11:08:58 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 33) : No Ways Bro!! Haha long shot—– Gary Teichmann!!!Love that Man!!!

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.10.09 11:10:00 by Miguel Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 34) : @Miguel (Comment 35) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.10.09 11:17:29 by Charlie Reply

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  • While everyone is slagging off Plum, we also forget he’s the first coach to bring some silverware to the union since the mid 90s.

    Second of all, why aren’t the players taking some flak for what appeared to be a very lacklustre effort.

    Should Plum take the fall for 20 odd missed tackles, Adi missing the ball that led to Potgieter’s try, up and unders that weren’t executed well, everyone trying drops, including Adi who never does that form of kicking, missed lineouts, scrums lost, etc, etc , etc.

    While everyone laments the game plan, it’s the execution we should be questioning.

    The worse side didn’t lose. The side who showed more heart won.

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.10.09 11:19:06 by Baldrick Reply

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  • Not sure Plum, can take the full blame for players ra ndomly kicking at polls, to my mind the Cheetahs got the upper hand and the Sharks paniced when all that was needed was a cool head to suggest a teritorial game and make the Cheetahs play from Deep, but it was the Sharks carrying the ball back up from long 22 kick offs after a series of pathetic drop goals.

    To my mind the players farked it up royally – not the coach – i am sure he contributed but the players were making the calls.

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.10.09 11:29:10 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 37) : “The worse side didn’t lose. The side who showed more heart won.”

    Indeed and wholly correct.

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.10.09 11:29:42 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 37) :

    Exaactly.
    I thiink it is the very easy option to blame the coach.
    Robs nameless insider feels that there is very little game plan. Fair enough,but then please inform me how it is possible that we won this thing last year, that we featured in the Super 14 and that we topped the log this year only losing 2 games. Fair enough if it was the senior players coaching the team but last year and this year they were busy with the Boks (apparently coaching them)

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.10.09 11:33:39 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 40) : We only lost two games this season, but were any of us really convinced that we were playing the type of game we should be playing?

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.10.09 11:36:59 by mbayshark Reply
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  • Most of the games were often won with turnover tries from the opponents 22. Yes there were one or two brilliant tries. But still with all our talent there should have been more!

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.10.09 11:38:42 by mbayshark Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 37) : JLP’s try started after a woeful pass from Ruan ‘Tiger” Pienaar behind 10 & 12 ;-)

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.10.09 11:40:26 by Charlie Reply

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  • I think Black Shark mentioned a team that was mentally and physically tired. I agree.
    Who knows, maybe the team that got us to these semis would have been a better option, its all speculation and something that is not likely to ever happen.

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.10.09 11:42:06 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I was really dissapointed with AD’s commitment after Ruan’s “Gary Owen” to Hernandez. That wasn’t the effort of a guy doing it for his teammates, but rather of someone pissed off for net getting any ball.

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.10.09 11:44:03 by catfish Reply
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  • @catfish (Comment 45) :

    I just dont belive it…i typed a novel of an answer an the bluming thing timed out when I submitted and now its lost…UGHHH!!!

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.10.09 11:46:03 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @mbayshark (Comment 41) : @Charlie (Comment 43) :
    So then you think we were lucky to have made the semis.
    All our “talent” has only been available for the last few weeks, before that it was the young, hungry second stringers who were mostly being blooded. These are the guys that I feel would have really fallen apart if there was no game plan.

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.10.09 11:47:46 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 47) :

    A hell of a lot has to do with momentum, the Sharks and Bulls lost a lot with the addition of their Boks.

    But again, a good coach TOGETHER with a good captain overcomes this.

    The guys are just emotional having a go at Plum. The questions should be asked of the leaders of the team…

    If Plum has one crit from me, it would be that he does not choose the right captain for his team.

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.10.09 11:51:11 by Morné Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 46) : LOL! Sucks when it happnens!

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.10.09 11:51:49 by catfish Reply
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  • @catfish (Comment 45) : yip – adi was not too committed and then monty simply to slow to catch a flyhalf (not a wing).

    what is “gary owen” – i mean unfortunately I remember the pass to well so can imagine but why is it called like that?

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  • @Morné (Comment 48) :

    Me thinks they should change the format of the CC..I am not convinced that the current format is a true refelction of what this should be – to get the “best” team in the country..

    I think after the rounds are done – number 1 and 2 should play for the honours of the Cup and number 3 and 4 for a plate for intstance.

    Cheethas did not play very well the whole season, but somehow managed to sneak into 4th spot..if they manage to sneak one past the Bulls they will be CC champs – but the best team? Not by a far shot.

    Thats just my opinion though…

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.10.09 11:57:59 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 37) : agreed. the senior players must take a lot of blame but this lack of attacking skills has been visible since S14 – so Plum should have done sth about it.

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.10.09 11:59:40 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 51) :

    I differ somewhat sweetheart.

    The best teams win when it matters…

    The Bulls for instance, were not the best team on the park this weekend, but they are more than deserved winners…

    Champion teams win when it counts.

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.10.09 12:00:13 by Morné Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 51) :

    It just feels unfair that we are 1st and second the whole season and one “off” game cost us all the work that went into getting to 1st spot…if you get what I am saying

  • Comment 54, posted at 19.10.09 12:00:18 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • It is also very difficult for coaches.

    Had Plum not selected his Boks and lost, the fans would have been up in arms.

    Select them and lose and we question his wisdom in selecting a jaded and faded team…

  • Comment 55, posted at 19.10.09 12:01:50 by Morné Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 50) : A “Gary Owen” is an Up&Under… my description of the ball passed miles over the of head of hernandez.

  • Comment 56, posted at 19.10.09 12:03:09 by catfish Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 54) :

    I do, and suggested many times the CC should be played in a league (all 14 unions over a long period (June to October) and Cup division (top 6 or 6 franchises) over a shorter period.

  • Comment 57, posted at 19.10.09 12:03:29 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 57) :

    Given the new Super 15 conference competition this might actually be possible too.

    Local conference games (home and away) doubles up as CC Cup division league stages. Top 4 goes into a play-off round following the Super 15 proper and 3N.

  • Comment 58, posted at 19.10.09 12:05:40 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 53) :

    My take is that WP defnitely was more deserving of winning..they played beautifully and think suprised many a bulls players and fans…ONE guy lost you that game..

  • Comment 59, posted at 19.10.09 12:09:14 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 54) : some sort of award for consistency.

    i’m not sure whether it would fly in the current era – finals are the ones that attract crowds to stadia (with exceptions :roll: ) and in front of tv to watch ads,

  • Comment 60, posted at 19.10.09 12:09:30 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 53) : like boks in 2007.
    the bulls rested their player in a proper moment :mrgreen:

  • Comment 61, posted at 19.10.09 12:10:44 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 47) : Sorry Charlie, both comments for mbay.

  • Comment 62, posted at 19.10.09 12:18:17 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @catfish (Comment 45) : @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 50) : Talking about commitment, where was the front row’s @ scrum time… ;-)

  • Comment 63, posted at 19.10.09 12:18:50 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 43) : And Adi directing the traffic. I love Adi, but that was absolutely woeful, almost as bad as his drop-attempt when we were hot on attack.

  • Comment 64, posted at 19.10.09 12:19:04 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 62) : ;-)

  • Comment 65, posted at 19.10.09 12:19:38 by Charlie Reply

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  • A thought… Our frontrow were carrying injuries from the GQ game, Muller hasn’t played a match in weeks an is still worried about his arm and then Deysel who just came back from injury. Those are our big guys. Were they up for it?

  • Comment 66, posted at 19.10.09 12:21:19 by catfish Reply
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  • If the Cheetahs win the currie Cup having won marginally over 50% of their pool games, it is an accurate relfection of their “champion” status? Team one host team 2, no semis for underperformers to sneak in.

    It’s not a fair and equitable competition, especially given that the Sharks and Bulls had to make do without their Boks for 70% of the comp.

  • Comment 67, posted at 19.10.09 12:22:24 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 64) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 19.10.09 12:22:31 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 67) :

    Given the All Blacks domination of world rugby over 20 years or so, has it been a fair reflection of the team come World Cup time?

    Champion teams win the games that matter, end of story.

  • Comment 69, posted at 19.10.09 12:24:41 by Morné Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 63) : i have not noticed :-)

    the only good thing from this weekend was that somehow i advanced 4 places in SB having Nil points for one of the 2 games.hmmmm

  • Comment 70, posted at 19.10.09 12:24:49 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @catfish (Comment 66) : isn’t it a trite law – playing guys with niggles never comes off.

  • Comment 71, posted at 19.10.09 12:26:07 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 60) :
    There used to be an award to the team topping the log in the Currie Cup.

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.10.09 12:27:28 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 67) : Sorry Baldrick, I do not agree. This has been the CC format for years. No use in whining now. Some of our players were to big for the CC

  • Comment 73, posted at 19.10.09 12:29:50 by catfish Reply
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  • i so want to respond to this article, but i am afraid i will just repeat what i have been saying all year. so all i will say, is choke on that boys. you have 3 months to sit and ponder on how pathetically you have played all year. maybe a little sit down before you start training could work, where you guys can figure out your way forward, instead of backwards. next year is your last shot at super 14 glory, work out how much you really want it. who really cares about the fans, they are only part of the revenue, start thinking about what you guys want as rugby players. are you happy with being chokers or are you going to finally get your heads out your arses and get the job done?

  • Comment 74, posted at 19.10.09 12:35:36 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 74) : nuf said

  • Comment 75, posted at 19.10.09 12:41:40 by catfish Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 37) : i’m going to agree and disagree. plum must take some blame. as much as waylon crabs he isn’t as bad as adi. so why was he left in the cold. likewise why was rory on the bench? no plum needs to take responsibility for his odd selections. but the team does need to actually shoulder most the blame. plum talks about a team full of leaders. i think it is time for a team with one leader, because the bum definitely doesn’t know what the face is doing.

  • Comment 76, posted at 19.10.09 12:43:36 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 74) :

    As far as I know Tim Goodenough (mental coach) left with Muir (or he was told he is not needed anymore)?

    Coincendince?

  • Comment 77, posted at 19.10.09 12:49:16 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 77) : there is definitely a mental problem in the team. do fans need to find out who the administration of the team are before they renew tickets. the good thing is the sharks get a big enough break now to lament. hopefully they come back hungry. i know as a fan i am not hungry anymore, i am gatvol.

  • Comment 78, posted at 19.10.09 12:56:13 by try time Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 69) :

    I read that as a contradictary statement:

    Precisley what I am saying…AB’s are one of THE best…come in a competiion and have a bad day…and they are out..although being number 1 in the world for the rest of the time..

    And you say they are NOT champions?

  • Comment 79, posted at 19.10.09 13:09:55 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 79) :

    Nope, because they have lost the games that mattered in the last 20 years.

    Ask any NZ fan or player if they are world champions or the world’s best…

    Until they win that one game that matters, they never will be.

  • Comment 80, posted at 19.10.09 13:20:40 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 80) :

    Okay – BUT they are ONE of the best…(fact) not based on fan’s perspective..if Spain comes now and somehow win the WC…are they the best in the world? Never…

  • Comment 81, posted at 19.10.09 13:23:18 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 79) :

    I read an interesting article about NZ rugby…

    And ex-All Black was interviewed and he was asked why NZ for some odd reason cannot win the World Cup.

    His answer was:

    Just look at how we bring up our kids these days? In earlier years kids were given freedom and responsibility. These days you have pre-school for guys going to pre-school, psyche analysis done on 5 years olds and kids being babied.

    Once they step up and enter the real world, they find out life is damn tough, and no amount of babying will help.

    He concluded that NZ (and for me personally the rest of the world too) have lost a generation of leaders…

    Guys who gets stuck in, and takes responsibility for their actions. His view was players in NZ today (coaches included) cannot take responsibility of their actions anymore. They became slaves to the dollar of modern rugby, and they had no more pride left in their traditions and cultures – core to the make-up of any leader.

    I think a lot of it is applicable to the Sharks (and WP and Lions too) and for most of the real world out there too, we lost a generation of leaders and that is what is needed when the chips are down, and when you need to knuckle down and win when it matters.

    In life you do not get what you deserve, and there is no use whining about it either – fact is, you need to at times go out there and take it because you know you have earned it. But we have become a generation of whoosies who would rather bitch about things than put our balls on the block and fight for something.

  • Comment 82, posted at 19.10.09 13:29:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 81) :

    Take the Cheetahs.

    They lost their first four games, and arguably from round 8 every single game for them was a knock-out game, otherwise they would have been knocked out.

    What does that tell you about the character of the team?

    What does that show us on the leadership in that team?

    Who are more deserved ‘champions’, a Bok-laden Bulls team or a Cheetahs team that has basically defied all the odds?

    I know who I will be rooting for come 31 October…

  • Comment 83, posted at 19.10.09 13:34:46 by Morné Reply
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  • It seems to me that there was an aura of arrogance from the Sharks on Saturday. I think they honestly believed they could defend a one point lead for 18 minutes. Yes the tactic of keeping the Cheetah’s in their own half worked for 16 minutes, but still 2 minutes to short.

  • Comment 84, posted at 19.10.09 13:36:39 by Guppyonroids Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 82) :

    Well I will try to put my balls on the block, but I am afraid thats going to be rather difficult!! :mrgreen:

    Yes – i do agree on some of your pointers – but I maintain that althought the Cheetahs beat us – they are not the better team, per se, neither “Champions” in my eyes..they did not win, we lost.

    Same with the Bulls – they did not win – WP lost..

  • Comment 85, posted at 19.10.09 13:38:01 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 83) :

    Speaking of character – I think Os’s influence was HUGE in that team..he took them from not much to scrumming the bok front row to pieces!

    I think we need Os.. ;-)

  • Comment 86, posted at 19.10.09 13:40:58 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 85) :

    In my experience you lose because you were not good enough.

    The reasons you weren’t good enough can be debated at length, from coaches to game plans to decision making – it all plays a part.

    But it comes down to one simple thing, neither WP or the Sharks were good enough to beat the Bulls or the Cheetahs. That makes them the better team.

  • Comment 87, posted at 19.10.09 13:45:34 by Morné Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 86) :

    Now you are venturing in an area I have discussed so many times…

    Just what makes a team great, or better than the next one?

    Many factors can be attributed to making a team poor, and they are usually highlighted quite often, like bad selections, poor conditioning, bad coaching, etc.

    But in sport, in my opinion and experience, the edge that makes you a champion team, is found in the most important muscle in our bodies, our brains.

    If guys like Os have been able to (as it seems he was) to mentally give the guys the edge, and the confidence, to help them make that step up to compete with a Bok front-row and beat them, then it again illustrates just how important leaders and mental coaches are in modern sport, which brings me down to the one bugbear I have with most teams in SA, and that is the importance of the captain in a team.

    Technology and research will put each player on par physically and skills wise, the edge is in that space between your ears, the leadership quality and ability the AB guy referred to, the balls the wall type of stuff, and that cannot be coached.

  • Comment 88, posted at 19.10.09 13:50:03 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 87) :

    Ag, vader tog… :roll: gee my krag… :lol: :mrgreen:

    …That makes them the better team….on the day…perhaps.. ;-)

    No fricken ways will I accept that for WP’s sake…Sir Eli was the broken link..it had nothing to do with the way the team played for the most part of the game…

    If I beat Venus Williams because she broke a racket and did not have a nother, it still would not make me better than her…the winner – but the winner becasue of circumstance and not skill…

  • Comment 89, posted at 19.10.09 13:53:14 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • All i can say is “I’m heart sore for my Sharkies”……and everyone from admin. to players must take some of the responsibility.
    I sensed a negative attitude coming out of ABSA…unnecessary nagging at the fans to come to the game, was one instance of this (admin), and other was Plum’s comment “this is our final” or something to that effect..must have seemed negative to the players as well…team selection…Dummond?….why no Hargreaves/that other young man who played so well the other week (senior moment ..his name escapes me)?…..BUT I still say with pride …..SHARKS FOREVER!!!

  • Comment 90, posted at 19.10.09 13:55:49 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 88) :

    So , in your expert opinion..(beside the fact that there was no Team on Saturday) would the Captaincy of John Smith have made a diffs? Obviously we will never know, but just your opinion, please, sir..

  • Comment 91, posted at 19.10.09 14:00:10 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 89) :
    I agree with you…makes them the better team on the day….the Sharks squad of players are by far the best in SA….so poor team selection can play a major roll….

  • Comment 92, posted at 19.10.09 14:01:01 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 92) :

    Thank you, Ma! ;-)

    I wanted to phone you, but decided not too, as I was actually lost for words… :cry:

  • Comment 93, posted at 19.10.09 14:05:37 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 89) :

    Ja but if she broke her racket the game would stop until she got a new one…

    Poor tactical kicking, poor option taking, 2 line-outs lost in the last 8 minutes are amongst 25 things WP did poorly and that contributed to their loss, least of this was one unintentional mistake by Sireli (and I cannot stand him).

    @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 91) :

    Would it have made a difference (John captain), I have absolutely no doubt.

    @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 92) :

    If you want to be champions, you need to front up every game, least of all the play-offs!!!

    That is why if the Cheetahs win, they are the champs, and WP, Bulls and Sharks are the losers…

    Simple as that.

  • Comment 94, posted at 19.10.09 14:05:44 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 94) :

    There’s nothing simple about that…it HURTS!!

    With poor tactical kicking, poor option taking, 2 line-outs lost in the last 8 minutes and 25 things WP did poorly they were still leading…. :?: :?: Not?? then Sir Eli happened..

    And stop pulling my debating apart with smart-ass comments… :mrgreen: You know what I am trying to get across!

  • Comment 95, posted at 19.10.09 14:11:23 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 94) : You are wrong…if she broke her raquet and did not have a replacement on the court at the time….she could either continue to play with the broken one …or forfit the game! Why do you think the pros have so many raquets in their bags???

  • Comment 96, posted at 19.10.09 14:16:38 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 93) : I was also going to phone YOU, but just could not bring myself to talk about it ;-)

  • Comment 97, posted at 19.10.09 14:18:04 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 96) :

    Why did you not come here LONG time ago?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 98, posted at 19.10.09 14:20:33 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 95) :

    I do, but the two line-outs lost I refer to got the Bulls into WP territory where they got the penalty – in rugby, actions affects outcomes everywhere, to blame it on one mistake is dangerous and a bit unfair imo.

    You believe your team should have performed better than what they did, because you know they are better, and they possibly that themselves too, but then again, they did not perform as was expected.

    It means there is something still lacking, and in my view something very, very important – as important as having a realible goal kicker for instance – only once you have all the ingredients will you achieve the results.

    Sharks are missing some of those ingredients.

    Luckily, it is just a simple thing or one or two things.

    Unlucky in the respect that it is the most difficult thing to achieve – a belief (something our cricketers also lack btw).

    Plum cannot coach that, this has to come from the players, and until this happens, no matter how talented and good they are on paper or for most of the season, if they continue to capitulate mentally when it counts, it means they are not good enough.

    It is almost like an alcohol problem…

    Before you can fix it, you have to admit that it is a problem.

    And that is something players and coaches have a problem doing when it comes to the mental aspects of the game.

    The Sharks might be looking for answers, but from where I sit, it is staring them right in the face…

  • Comment 99, posted at 19.10.09 14:22:12 by Morné Reply
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  • Im also not a Sir Eli fan, but if it was really only about him then the Bulls would only have managed a score of 3 the whole game. Each penalty conceded is what did it, regardless of at what point of the game they were awarded.

  • Comment 100, posted at 19.10.09 14:26:40 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I suppose it’s all ‘what if’s”…but a tad bit late for that now…

    I actually read a letter in Beeld (I take it the guy is a Shark or WP) saying that they need to level the playing field a bit. Morne ‘won” the game again by kicking – that does not make the rest of the players good, although they are in the “winning” side. So to make it moer level and interesting he suggested that the guy who scores a try should convert his own try..

    Could be rather interesting and funny for that matter! :lol:

  • Comment 101, posted at 19.10.09 14:28:30 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 100) :

    I agree Sam, with both you and Morne..it is the timing of the mistake that puts him in the bad light…HE made it at THAT crucial stage..and that is what everyone will remember…

  • Comment 102, posted at 19.10.09 14:32:07 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 101) :

    Nah that dude is smoking some serious bong.

    The laws are the same for everyone.

    You train, and select your team knowing the laws of the game.

    The laws does not disadvantage any team by default, teams do it themselves through selections, game plans and execution on the day.

  • Comment 103, posted at 19.10.09 14:36:34 by Morné Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 102) :
    So true, give away your penalties in the first 20 minutes, by the end of the game yours are long forgotten. ;-)

  • Comment 104, posted at 19.10.09 14:40:51 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 103) :

    I think its a bit of sour grapes, as we are seriously lacking a brilliant kicker..thats all..

    I also do not agree with the debating about cards and sending people off. If you make a mistake that warrants a yellow or red – then you should go off…otherwise whats the point…you made the mistake , now your team must pay..

  • Comment 105, posted at 19.10.09 14:41:58 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 104) :

    thats why I always the first to jaag k*k aan…by the time someone else gets into trouble for it – they have forgotten i initiated it!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 106, posted at 19.10.09 14:44:03 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 98) : Sorry ;-) better late than never!

  • Comment 107, posted at 19.10.09 14:48:24 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 98) : Moral of the story…never draw comparisons or comment on facts you are not sure about :grin:

  • Comment 108, posted at 19.10.09 14:50:40 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 108) :

    In the end it did not matter – I was right.. :lol:

    It was anyway just to get a point across…not really about the actual rules etc… ;-)

  • Comment 109, posted at 19.10.09 15:07:56 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 91) : if John is such a good leader he would lead despite Stef being captain. He could at least start by putting his body on the line and showing he can scrum.

    Sorry Morne – JS not being officially a captain that alone cannot be a reason for Sat defeat or bad season.

  • Comment 110, posted at 19.10.09 15:19:27 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • I agree on the fact that blame should be devided all around. But at the end of the day they will need to find the problems and fix it. If they cant see the problems, get someone who can. The Sharks are not a Champion team, but they could be or rather, they shouldve been.

  • Comment 111, posted at 19.10.09 15:22:26 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 101) : :mrgreen: i like it. Can you imagine Beast kicking
    But in a way it would lead to doing away with specialist positions in rugby, what is happening in a way. We have hookers who run like wings and score tries.

  • Comment 112, posted at 19.10.09 15:22:38 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 111) : yes – divide it all around, including lazy supporters (which is us :oops: :oops: ) who were too lazy to get to Kings Park.

  • Comment 113, posted at 19.10.09 15:24:55 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 111) : One of the Sharks problems are: the vets/seniors in the team seems to have no pride and no heart.

  • Comment 114, posted at 19.10.09 15:25:03 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 113) : im to poor to get to Kings Park :oops:

  • Comment 115, posted at 19.10.09 15:26:34 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • Got to go, Later all

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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 115) : ok. u are excluded ;-)

  • Comment 117, posted at 19.10.09 15:30:52 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 115) :

    I am too poor and too far!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 118, posted at 19.10.09 15:37:42 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • I’m not going to talk rugby…..at least I can still go fishing on weekends :roll:

  • Comment 119, posted at 19.10.09 16:18:46 by Pokkel Reply
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  • John Plumtree vat die pad asseblief!!!.

    As ek weer John Plumtree se gesig as Sharks afrigter sien volgende jaar
    gaan ek mal word.
    Wat ‘n patetiese game plan… skop, skop en skop nog ‘n bietjie meer…o ja en skop so kak as wat jy kan!. Dit is wat die message was voor die game en halftyd teen die cheetahs.

    En Grant Bashford, wat te donder het hy al uitgerig? Daar gaan net mooi fokkol aan in die backline!. Ek hoop REGTIG nie hulle line hom op as die volgende coach nie.

    O en het ek vergeet van ons patetiese scrumhalf, en ‘n scrumhalf wat nie eers kan pass nie. Springbok voorry? hulle was dronk gewees man!, of dit of hulle het heeltemal te veel muffins ge eet voordietyd want hulle het darem donders onfiks gelyk!.

    Maar weereens wat gee hulle om, hulle geld is in hulle rekeninge inbetaal en kan nie ‘n fok omgee oor ons nie!.

    Ek hoop ek sien ‘n nuwe coach volgende jaar en ons as ondersteuners moet saam pressure op die unie sit om dit so gou as moontlik te doen.

    Lekker vakansie hou almal en ek hoop dat ons ‘n nuwe sterker en veel beter span volgende jaar sal sien.

  • Comment 120, posted at 19.10.09 16:37:08 by The Shark Reply

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  • How everyone can call for Plumtree’s head is beyond me!!!!!!

    Did he tell the players at half time? Okay guys it’s in the bag you can take your foot off the gas now?

    I will put my head on a block that he didn’t.

    The players need to take most if not ALL the responsibility for this loss.

  • Comment 121, posted at 19.10.09 16:47:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 118) : :shock: You are in Joburg.

  • Comment 122, posted at 19.10.09 16:50:09 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 121) : not everyone.

    whatever he tod them half time – did not work. He must think of sth different.

  • Comment 123, posted at 19.10.09 16:52:43 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @The Shark (Comment 120) :
    Nogsteeds afgepis?
    Wie en wat stel jy voor.
    Sit dit op skrif en stuur aan vir Rudi Straulei.

  • Comment 124, posted at 19.10.09 16:53:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @The Shark (Comment 120) : i see people reverting to their mothertongue when angry .
    wish I could post sth that poetic in Polish and completely get away with it :mrgreen:
    problem is I’m more sad than angry.

  • Comment 125, posted at 19.10.09 16:59:59 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 121) :
    Plums and this teams success during the campaign are the reasons people want their heads. He should implement a policy of throwing every third game just to keep us rabid supporters grounded.

    If I was Plum I would be looking to hook up with Mr Muir again, we dont deserve him and his piddly above 80% CC win rate.

  • Comment 126, posted at 19.10.09 17:04:05 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I might have been the prophet of doom, during the S14 especially after the losses against the Reds and Cheetahs, i said, no i prophesized that the Sharks will not win the CC. Frankly Im still amazed that we finished on top. Give Plummo another chance, but make it clear that whatever the problems are, it has to be sorted out before the S14 Kicks off!

  • Comment 127, posted at 19.10.09 17:14:33 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Insomniac) (Comment 127) : and im not bad at predictions, just take a look at my SB and LMS stats :razz:

  • Comment 128, posted at 19.10.09 17:16:25 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 121) : :shock: not everyone, surely not me. Maybe when im angry though :mrgreen:

  • Comment 129, posted at 19.10.09 17:18:32 by JarsonX (Insomniac) Reply
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  • The mental issues at the Sharks is a demonstration of the limits of buying a team. Mercenary players are just not invested in the team as much and it shows in tough tight games.

  • Comment 130, posted at 19.10.09 17:43:15 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @The Shark (Comment 120) : True, let’s do what they do in soccer and fire the coach after the players haven’t performed. We won the CC last year and he was good enough then. We topped the log after 14 games (lost just twice – best record), now it’s time for his head/. And the next coach, he loses 2 games, we fire him too?

  • Comment 131, posted at 19.10.09 17:55:05 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 131) : the sharks should have walked this year’s super 14 and currie cup but did not due to a bad gameplan, bad selections and bad motivation, the coach needs to take responsibility

  • Comment 132, posted at 19.10.09 17:58:50 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 132) : I second that, we’ve got the talent. We need the coaching for that talent.

  • Comment 133, posted at 19.10.09 18:00:46 by mbayshark Reply
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  • Julle ouens is heeltemal te sag.

    Ja ons het die currie cup laasjaar gewen,dis history ons kan nie aanhou hammer op wat was nie.
    Ja ons het het bo op die log geeindig hierdie jaar, maar wat het dit beteken op die ou einde van die dag? Ons is nou maar net back to square one.

    Het julle vergeet wat hierdie jaar in die super 14 gebeur het? Amper presies dieselfde het nou in die curriebeker gebeur.
    As ek praat van ‘n nuwe coach praat ek van ‘n ou wat konstant kan perform, nie die een dag so en dan die ander dag anders nie.

    Die wat tevrede is met so ‘n performance support mediocracy.
    Hierdie performance van ‘n coach perspective het vir my net ‘n idee gegee tot waarvan plumtree instaat is.
    Ek sê nie dit is nie die spelers se skuld nie hulle was pateties, maar ons het geen verskoning ghad om daai game te verloor nie.

    En die wat ‘n probleem het met my taalgebruik, gaan lees ‘n huisgenoot of iets.

  • Comment 134, posted at 19.10.09 18:14:38 by The Shark Reply

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  • Stone me if you want, but just a few obeservations from an “enemy” (and this is written, not with malice :razz: ) I realise we are in a professional era, but somehow, imo, it’s wrong to bring in imported players(specifically in a proudly SA comp like the CC). The Sharks MUST develop their own, and in doing so, inculcate in them a sense of pride for “The Jersey.” Your glory years had SA talent – Wynand Claasen, Whal Bartman, Jubba, Teichman, Mark Andrews (btw I play golf with his mom) ens. ens., so why do you guys not have faith in “local” anymore?” Kockett, Pienaar, Brent – players whose careers have been badly affected by playing for the Sharks – pity.

  • Comment 135, posted at 19.10.09 18:59:24 by diablo Reply

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  • @diablo (Comment 135) : over the years, the sharks have had many overseas players, and i mean MANY, looking back out our “glory years” 1990 – Hooker – Tom Lawton – Australian ; 1995&96 Thierry Lacroix – French. I don’t think that is a relevant point

  • Comment 136, posted at 19.10.09 19:05:41 by war1 Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 135) :
    @war1 (Comment 136) :
    i do not mind having foreigners when there is a gap in a certain position and youngsters would do with some mentoring. But right now there is no gap and I don’t think we needed Hernandez. If they are bent on playing Pienaar at scrummie (which I personally prefer but in a bigger picture it is counterproductive) then monty or guy cronje should be playing flyhalf.

  • Comment 137, posted at 19.10.09 19:12:49 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 137) : i reckon the hernandez signing was a knee-jerk reaction to the flyhalf crisis in the super 14 when ruan was injured, and when he eventually did arrive, we ironically did not need him as much, i think he is a world-class player and always weclome at the sharks in my books

  • Comment 138, posted at 19.10.09 19:18:16 by war1 Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 137) : Agree :mrgreen:

  • Comment 139, posted at 19.10.09 19:19:26 by diablo Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 138) : yes, he is a good player and he did play well on sat – but not well enough to convince me that he is necessary.

  • Comment 140, posted at 19.10.09 19:29:14 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 138) : @war1 (Comment 138) : I do not dispute that he is world class, but, imo, he has not delivered for you guys, yet. ;-)

  • Comment 141, posted at 19.10.09 19:35:50 by diablo Reply

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  • oops Pokel is back with abig fish :lol:

  • Comment 142, posted at 19.10.09 20:18:18 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • Rugby 365′s Currie Cup team of the week after the semi-finals only has one Shark in it. :| Steven Sykes.

  • Comment 143, posted at 19.10.09 20:40:33 by mbayshark Reply
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  • @mbayshark (Comment 143) : 4 from Western Province… 5 from the Blue Bulls and 5 from the Cheetahs.

  • Comment 144, posted at 19.10.09 20:42:45 by mbayshark Reply
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  • @mbayshark (Comment 143) : sykes has got to be one of the most improved players in SA rugby, or maybe his talents are only being recognised now, he has had a great season

  • Comment 145, posted at 19.10.09 21:07:06 by war1 Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 122) :

    Yes Recks…for the past 5 years… :cry:

    @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 140) : @diablo (Comment 141) :

    I agree 100% (although I don not know if he was given the chance properly yet – he looks like a good reader of the game…not yet Dan Carter, but not shabby either)

    @war1 (Comment 145) :

    True – seems he has ‘grown up” a little where his game is concerned – I think smelling that bok jersey has motivated him and he is taking his career far more serious.

  • Comment 146, posted at 20.10.09 07:54:01 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 126) : 80% win rate or more means nothing if you don’t get bonus points and you don’t win playoffs.

  • Comment 147, posted at 20.10.09 08:03:56 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 147) :
    If you win 80-85% of games you will be in the playoffs, regardless of the bonus point situation. Its the winning of the playoff / big games that is the problem and this is what I think Morne alludes to – the mental toughness that needs to be worked on.
    Surely to win 80% of your games you must be a good team with a good coach.

  • Comment 148, posted at 20.10.09 08:57:16 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 140) : War 1, I hear whar you are saying but the bigger question is he allowed to play to his true form with the Sharks game plan, which on saturday seemed to be skop charge and have a dip at a drop goal .

  • Comment 149, posted at 20.10.09 11:44:25 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 149) :

    eggzaketillie…see my post 146

  • Comment 150, posted at 21.10.09 08:24:30 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 149) : i think we all know the answer to that question . . . no, :|

  • Comment 151, posted at 21.10.09 08:51:59 by war1 Reply
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  • “The forwards win clean ball and backs attack with it.”

    agree RobbieD, but its the first part of that theory, which was the problem on sat.

    Cheetahs pack won possession and territory stakes, and thats without having a single scrum in the first quarter. I’m going off kanko rapidly and Alberts would be a massive improvment to give sharks pack some go-forward in the tackle, also botes is a great linkman, but no patch on brussow on the deck. If these two are signed, sharks will look mighty again next year.

    The ball the sharks did win, the backs scored some amazing tries, it was 15-3 at one stage and the sharks had buggerall ball, impossible to play like that, pack needs to front-up, plumtree is right, cheetahs were more committed.

    Dont hit panic stations yet, only lost by 2 points in a semi-final where anything can happen, cheetahs pack is def a steup from last year and their frontrow should cos plenty sides problems including the bulls next week.

  • Comment 152, posted at 21.10.09 17:04:18 by cab Reply

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