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Sharks on the road to nowhere?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, In the news, Sharks on 20 Oct 2009 at 10:12
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The big coastal unions are licking their wounds after finding that their “one, two” status from the Absa Currie Cup round-robin phase counted for horribly little on semi-finals day.

Rob Houwing writes for Sport24.

Instead “three and four” had the last laugh as the Blue Bulls and Cheetahs booked their tables for an October 31 banquet, as it were, at Loftus.

Except that I am not so sure Western Province, pipped at the death by the Super 14 champion Bulls at Newlands, have too many wounds to treat.

Their notably young side came desperately close, after all, to downing possibly the strongest provincial unit on the planet, at full strength, and certainly confirmed that they are the real deal in resurgence terms.

From no semi-final at all in three years to a home one in 2009: that is a pretty comforting thought for a Province team who seem set fair now to challenge forcefully for next year’s domestic honours and, indeed, improve substantially on their innocuous Stormers effort of 10th in the Super 14 this year.

Of course it is still premature to talk of a guaranteed return to glory days at Newlands, because they haven’t broken their eight-year major trophy drought yet, although it would be a surprise if their curve doesn’t continue to climb healthily out of “recession”.

But if there is cause for real soul-searching in defeat, that fate is very much the preserve of the Sharks, who have basically imploded in both major competitions this year after setting supposedly solid platforms for assault on the respective silverware.

They had a near-brilliant start to the Super 14 – they were seemingly a fait accompli for the semis at one stage — only to recede rather spectacularly into sixth, and topped the league stage of the Currie Cup only to let it all go to ruin in shock home semi-final defeat to the Cheetahs before a weirdly flat, disappointing crowd of just over 30 000.

From Currie Cup winners and third-placers in the Super 14 in 2008, the Sharks can thus be said to have slipped a notch or two in a broad sense this year, and a pertinent question to ask is: can they arrest the mini-rot?

By extension, has the nucleus of their squad – the one which came so agonisingly close to grabbing maiden Super 14 honours in 2007 — possibly peaked?

I’m beginning to suspect it has, and that the franchise needs to embark with fair haste on a meaningful freshening initiative, perhaps aimed at challenging realistically again for the elusive Super 14, in particular, a year or two up the road.

There appears to be a strange, split personality to the team: where one week they are dashing and exciting, attacking from deep off turnover ball with unrivalled aplomb, the next they can be plodding and seemingly bereft of ideas, their once highly-touted pack sometimes battling to build a bridgehead in terms of primary possession.

They remain a big outfit with some big players, don’t get me wrong, but I also have a sneaky feeling that 2010 will be a year of necessary “consolidation” rather than notable success for them, especially in terms of the three-country competition.

Looming for them is a Super 14 campaign featuring one home game fewer than last, and a tougher, longer overseas leg into the bargain.
On Saturday the Sharks were glaringly shy of zest when their Currie Cup semi suddenly went into the balance — their staunchest supporters are entitled to wonder why this was so – and it cost them dearly.

Is there meat to a rumour-mill bone that says the Sharks administration and certain leading players are not exactly dancing to a harmonious beat?

Has Springbok selection policy, where positional or game-time usage of certain players has not always corresponded with the Sharks’ desires and vice-versa – think Ruan Pienaar and John Smit, for instance – put something of a spanner in the Durban works?

Why did multi-talented Frans Steyn flee the coop for France at the tender age of 22?

The Sharks, I think, have also reached that stage where a swelling group of their players either fall into the 30-plus category already or will do so during next year.

Included here are the likes of Albert van den Berg and Stefan Terblanche (these two well beyond the landmark), Smit, Skipper Badenhorst, Jacques Botes, Deon Carstens, Adrian Jacobs and Johann Muller.

Considering the volume of rugby played these days and the raised physical toll, it is sometimes tempting to consider “30 the new 33”, after all.

To the credit of the Sharks honchos, a squad infusion quest is already underway: getting the no-frills, 120kg Lions lock Gerhard Mostert (only recently 25) on board was a sound move, and other signings from the Big Smoke are tipped to follow in the form of Louis Ludik and that wrecking-ball No 8 Willem Alberts.

Put the last-named player into a loose trio also featuring a fully fit Jean Deysel and maybe the Sharks will once again get the sort of tight-loose “go-forward” they used to so greedily relish.

But of course the integration of new faces can take a bit of time.

The Sharks are too strong to simply disappear off the map, and maybe I will even be accused of implying “crisis” (I’m not) where none really exists.

It may just be that certain players – their near-cynically over-played Bok front-row comes rapidly to mind – were on very last legs after a uniquely challenging year and in desperate need of a break.

But I retain a nagging belief that sideways is perhaps the best direction the Sharks can hope for in the short-term future.

“Something” just seems to have gone from their midst for the moment, and I can’t quite pinpoint what it is.

I fancy I am not alone.



208 Comments

  • Great Arti, Rob.

    I agree – my ‘gutfeel’ says that the ‘pH balance’ in the squad has been disturbed…I think our administrators has a lot to do with that.

    You would also know this from the last bit of info you sent me on mail a lil while ago.

    After all…a happy employee is a productive employee…

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.10.09 10:22:53 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 1) :

    The team who played on Saturday was not a team who came out guns blasing to defend their honour and title…and THAT simple fact says to me that their is something seriously wrong within the “mix”..

    Negativity is a very strong emotion..

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.10.09 10:35:55 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • What is the common phrase again….wait for it….Back to the drawing board and…..start to rebuild for next season!!! Good luck with that.

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.10.09 10:44:53 by Volstruis Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 2) : “You can come out now…the war is over” ;-) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.10.09 10:46:37 by Volstruis Reply

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  • @Volstruis (Comment 3) :

    Its gonna take bit more than a drawing board to sort this one out properly I think..

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.10.09 10:48:13 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 5) :

    Not by a long shot…ek fight nogsteeds met myself oor hierdie strooi wat Saterdag gebeur het.. :lol:

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.10.09 10:53:09 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Volstruis (Comment 4) :

    @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 6) :

    me reckons war continues until we win it (which the earliest could be May next year ) until then we may have Ice in trenches :mrgreen:

    step back, rethink and keep fighting.

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.10.09 11:03:00 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • I am not excited about sharks buying more players. What kind of a signal it sends to youngsters who were putting their hands in CC. Thay need to be tried in superrugby.

    The sharks already have so many stars that need to be accomodated.

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.10.09 11:05:35 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 8) : and then injury hits again and then we are back were we are now…..nowhere :grin:

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.10.09 11:10:55 by willa Reply

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  • @willa (Comment 9) : and according to you in which position we do not have at least 2 players ?

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.10.09 11:13:57 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 8) :

    What Rob is missing in this article is that the Sharks looked really good in the CC especially when guys like Dumond settled down once he, and some other youngsters were afforded game time.

    The Boks disrupted the Sharks, of that there is no doubt, but also remember, our Boks has had one hell of a 2009 behind them.

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.10.09 11:17:32 by Morné Reply
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  • I`m gonna go with Lock : Didn`t Johann Muller have a 100% losing ratio this year? And who`s there to back him up? Albert is way too light for a quality lock, he is a second half specialist.
    Our locks are not up to scratch.
    Then there`s centre. Andries Strauss is average at best, so we only really have 3.
    One can throw fullback in as well, who`s there is something happens to Terblanche?

    And then there is the scrumhalf question. Am I the only one who see a problem with Ruaan Pienaar here? He takes too long. He`s forever busy gesturing to the ref and directing traffic.
    The best flyhalf like Steyn have a quick scrumhalf with a big pass that takes all the pressure off him.
    Maybe Charl McLeod can do it for us, but Rory needs to brush up here. There were games in which Rory just didn`t pass anything.

    So yeah, our depth isn`t really what we proclaimed it to be . . .

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.10.09 11:20:16 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 8) : in a way i agree with you, as i feel, the more players you bring in at the top, the more will leave at the bottom… (our youngsters). dont get me wrong, i think ludick and alberts will be great signings, an i`m pretty excited about them, but my concern is that dick muir, with his knowledge of the sharks fringe and youth players, will just maybe take a bite out of our up and coming stars and fringe back up players as he can promise regular game time under a springbok asst coach…

    another concern is fullback. Who will we pick when stefan retires, cause i`m pretty sure about it that patrick lambie will become a springbok. lambie or ludick? or ludick to the wing?

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.10.09 11:21:10 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 11) : hmmm…. you think I missed the mark completely with my article yesterday?

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.10.09 11:23:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • You guys hear that the Lions are after Craig Burden and the Bulls Waylon Murray?

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.10.09 11:25:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) :

    I was actually referring to Rob Houwing here but I did not agree with you completely yesterday either.

    Plum needs to take some things on the chin, but the players lost that game for the Sharks, not the game plan or the coach imo

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.10.09 11:27:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :

    Nope – thats news..

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.10.09 11:29:12 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 16) :

    Do you EVER agree with someone?? :lol: ;-)

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.10.09 11:33:01 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 18) :

    I never disagree with someone, but I seldom totally agree with someone!!! ;)

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.10.09 11:35:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :

    So what’s the latest with the Junior Sharks?

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.10.09 11:35:51 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 19) :

    JK..!

    I dont think anyone ever agrees completely with another person anyway…agree on some aspects, but have a total different view on other… :grin:

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.10.09 11:37:46 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 12) : pienaar is not a scrummie of old – it seems to me he now plays like flyhalf put at 9. but i don’t think at scrummie there is lack of depth

    locks: johann, hargreaves, sykes, oupa albert + add to U21 bresler and marais (plus jp can cover :mrgreen:

    centres: swannie, adi, murray, vulindlu, (if u do not like strauss)

    fullback : dumond, lambie plus number of players who can cover jp, odwa, jordaan

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.10.09 11:39:41 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 22) :

    Possibly Ludik too.. ;-)

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.10.09 11:42:50 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • I totally agree with this ….@Morné (Comment 16) :

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.10.09 11:44:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 13) : this is a concern.
    and muir was the one who started building current sharks side.

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.10.09 11:47:24 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 20) : I’ll be interviewing a member of the team this week. Young Anton Bresler.

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.10.09 11:50:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 16) : I know you meant THAT Rob… but I think I need to write another article that apportions blame somewhat more evenly. Although I still think the coach is an idiot when it comes to a lot of his selections. And usage of his bench.

    Not bringing Burden and du Plessis on was criminal

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.10.09 11:52:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 17) : Burden has apparently decided to stay. Not sure about Waylon.

    Oh, and of course Monty is very much in discussion with the Lions as well

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.10.09 11:53:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :

    The question needs to be asked: Will Waylon fit in well with all the dutchies at the Bulls?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.10.09 11:59:20 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : I could not agree more!

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.10.09 12:00:17 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) :

    Why would they want to sign Burden if they have Chilliboy, Botha and Maku??

    And Kuun if they are desperate!! :roll:

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.10.09 12:01:58 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : A bit of the topic I know but since we are throwing players around unions now…any news or ideas on whats happening at 10 with the cheetahs next year??

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.10.09 12:03:40 by Volstruis Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) :

    Sweet…looking forward to that…

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.10.09 12:07:15 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Volstruis (Comment 32) : they`ve signed a youngster from the leopards. True blue smit. he already played for the valke and i think for the pumas. but i think they are going to give Sias Ebersohn a chance.

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.10.09 12:11:37 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Volstruis (Comment 32) :

    Louis Strydom?? :roll:

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.10.09 12:14:05 by wpw Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 10) : well lets start at the start,if we dont get ludik,alberts,mostert and dont have jmh,we dont have a big lock(alli is to light), we have a serious problem at 6, ruan blows hot and cold at 9, number 10 we seriously need a game winner(monty,cronje and olivier is not super 14 quality), no back up for swannies, no back up for stefan,i dont know it seems like a problem :?:

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.10.09 12:15:59 by willa Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 34) : True blue smit???…why does that sound like a “Earl the pearl” thing :lol: Any ways I think Sias is an exciting YOUNG player but being first choice no 10 in the S14 will be worrying. And please dont let it be Meyer or Tewis either

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.10.09 12:29:05 by Volstruis Reply

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  • @Volstruis (Comment 37) :

    The Cheetahs will once again struggle in the S14.

    They will probably call on Naas Olivier, Riaan Viljoen and that scrummie (forgot his name) from Griquas.

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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : Sarel seemonster…Suppose that would be the more responsible choice yes

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.10.09 12:49:39 by Volstruis Reply

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  • @willa (Comment 36) : see my post 22.

    +
    i am not sure which of them u would consider a big lock.loosies – what about blignaut, downey and rhodes being add to a current mix.

    9 & 10 – we really have plenty and I believe that the S14 quality (pienaar, kockott) need to sort themselves out, youngsters (cronjes) need to be given chance, and there is a place for mrs (this is plural :mrgreen: reliability ( monty & mcleod )

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.10.09 12:59:39 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 31) : LIONS, not bulls…

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.10.09 13:04:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • Agree Rob, the Sharks have a couple of critical positions that need looking at, and the first one I see is that of assitant coach/backline coach.
    The Frontrow was out on its, feet with a young enthusiastic young bucks wanting to show them up.
    I dont think that Swanepeol is the answer at center and you require a playmaker there, not a bash boy. Steffan may have one last season in him, but albert must either be used in the Vodacom side or retired. I am not a keegan Daniel fan to smallLlight and costs you to many stupid penalties, Jacques Botes may also have reached sell by, but you need a brussouw type of replacement rather than alberts, who could be played in place of Jean Deysel, giving them more chance to recover from the heavy workload that saw Deysel breakdown and will see Alberts go the same way, so apply a squad system in their cases. Good article!!

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.10.09 13:21:10 by Whindy Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : Wes expect a much better performance from them(Cheetahs) they have been together a lot longer they have an exciting front row with a bit of depth as well, I think they may just surprise you.

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.10.09 13:26:44 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 42) : you don’t reckon Deysel could be an effective option at 6?

    Remember we still have Skollie Ndlovu in the mix as well… promising player and very well suited to the Brussow role. Fast and strong as the elephant he’s named after

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.10.09 13:34:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) :

    Any news on that link between Brussouw and Sharks yet?

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.10.09 13:39:43 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) :

    You know I really rate Deysel, but he is nowhere near a Brussouw especially at 6

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.10.09 13:40:48 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 46) :

    Extremely quick, very strong too, where Deysel just does not have that snappy-ness and speed.

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.10.09 13:42:17 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : Nah, I prefer him as a ball carrier, agree with Ice not quick enough around the park.

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.10.09 13:56:38 by Whindy Reply
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  • maybe we need jake white to teach us the winning ways :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.10.09 14:08:43 by willa Reply

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  • The Sharks must re-think the way they build their team.
    In the early 90s when Natal rugby was nowhere and the Sharks brand needed to be established, buying the best players from all over was brilliant.

    Right now they have a mish-mash instead of a melting pot.

    They are branded as the Durbs based team for Souties every where.

    You have the Free State farm boys that come to play on a bigger stage but do they really want to play for fans that glibly refer to their language as “plank”.

    You have the big name overseas players that come for the S14 experience only.

    You have your Kiwi coach. How well did the last one work out?

    How do the local players feel about the fact that the Sharks team will always look else where to fill a need?

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.10.09 14:14:47 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 50) : Insightful, the Bulls built this team, poor old Meyer was nearly lynched by the Bulls fans, but his foresight, is the product of today. The Sharks almost invented the Academy story, but recently have not reaped as much reward as they had been doing, maybe you have a point about them always shopping elsewhere, but Natal have not exactly been a powerhouse of schools rugby over the Years apart from College and over the past 4 /5 years they have moved seriously backwards IMO!!

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.10.09 14:30:27 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 51) :

    Seeing that Morne is not around – I will give you the answer as to why this is..:

    The world has lost a generation of leaders… ;-)

    See Morne’s post On “What a Plummer” – Post number 82.. :cool:

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.10.09 14:43:28 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 50) :
    They are branded as the Durbs based team for Souties every where. :shock:

    You have the Free State farm boys that come to play on a bigger stage but do they really want to play for fans that glibly refer to their language as “plank”. :shock:

    Surely you jest.

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.10.09 14:44:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 53) :

    Are you okay, Sammy?? You seem to be in shock?? :lol:

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.10.09 14:48:21 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 50) :

    “How do the local players feel about the fact that the Sharks team will always look else where to fill a need?”

    Can you name me any local, French, British, NZ, Aus , any professional team in fact, that does not do that. Why should the Sharks be an exception?

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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 54) :
    I was, just had some sugar water.

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.10.09 14:54:55 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 53) : I think he’s trying to create a political issue where there isn’t one…

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.10.09 15:07:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) :

    Political??

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.10.09 15:11:47 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 52) : Interesting, Who are the big afrikaans schools in Natal that play rugby, I honestly cannot think of one?? Maybe thats the problem no Grey og Gimmies, monnas of Affies??

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.10.09 15:25:04 by Whindy Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 58) : dutchie v soutie…

    @Whindy (Comment 59) : Glenwood is basically an Afrikaans school these days :)

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.10.09 15:28:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • At least one thing is going well wrt rugby…..My fantasy league score :cool:

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.10.09 15:28:51 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 55) : In terms of the local SA rugby scene the Sharks do so more than any other team. Even you fans are constantly discussing “who shall we buy next”.

    My list up there is to illustrate that the Sharks’s strategy may be the reason why they have a great team, that tends to fall short in big tight matches.

    Why does the Sharks loose to the Free State?
    The Sharks constantly recruits the cream of the Free State crop, so the players left are those deemed “not good enough”. They play to prove a point when they meet the Sharks.

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.10.09 15:34:22 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 61) :

    Mine went for a ball of shit in the last two rounds coz I went with my heart more than my head…

    @robdylan (Comment 60) :

    Ohhhhhh – okay.. :wink:

    PS. I have no idea about Afr schools in Natal – isnt there sum in Pinetown?

    Not that it matters – in Natal everyone goes to English schoold anyway – even the dutchies

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.10.09 15:34:49 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) :
    Wow, that I did not know, how and why?

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.10.09 15:34:59 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 64) : they’ve bought a team from up-country :) Lot’s of Afrikaans lads in their first rugby side, anyway.

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.10.09 15:36:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • this “x buys more than y” thing is such a load of bollocks anyway.

    The Bulls, Cheetahs, Lions and WP all buy just as many players as the Sharks do.

  • Comment 66, posted at 20.10.09 15:37:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 62) :
    I’m touting the Free State to beat The Bull next week. If this happens would that then mean the Bulls are also guilty of buying too many Free Staters.
    I do sort of get your point and am willing to accept it but there is just one thing we must remain clear on and that is that both Andre Joubert and Henry Honnibal are Natal boytjies.

  • Comment 67, posted at 20.10.09 15:41:59 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 58) :
    Up to now I’ve been impressed by the way the Sharks have been able to blend a team using a mix of Free State, local and international players and branding it with the “relaxed surfer” Durban image. SA’s first truly professional outfit.

    But one has to wonder what is missing? Why do they fail in the big games more than other teams?

  • Comment 68, posted at 20.10.09 15:44:01 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : I agree its a professional sport so its a free market, quite sad that it has slipped down to high school level, Boys High must be one of the few schools left who do not buy players, I wonder if that will change when Bill packs it in at the end of the year?? Kes had an awesome team this year but nobody mentioned the 6 players they brought in!! and Grey Bloem is a professional team

  • Comment 69, posted at 20.10.09 15:44:22 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 67) : Developed into top players while at freestate university :grin:

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.10.09 15:46:00 by Whindy Reply
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  • In the past Voortrekker in Maritzburg produced some very strong teams but not constantly, the same with Empangeni.

  • Comment 71, posted at 20.10.09 15:48:18 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 69) : how does a school buy a player? :shock:
    scholarships or do they have transfer fees?

  • Comment 72, posted at 20.10.09 15:48:45 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 69) :

    No-one is really “provincially bound” – as you say – they buy at school level already – I know of one little oke who was offered a scholarship in st4 or 5 already…

    @fyndraai (Comment 68) :

    But what? Afrikaans outjies? :wink: Just kidding!

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.10.09 15:49:08 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 68) :
    Who are all these Vrystaters in the Sharks team and how many games did they play for Free State.

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.10.09 15:50:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 72) : Mostly by scholarships, it has not got as professional as transfer fees yet!!

  • Comment 75, posted at 20.10.09 15:51:19 by Whindy Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 72) :

    Yes – tuition fees, clothes, boarding fees, pocket money, travelling money , books etc paid for..

  • Comment 76, posted at 20.10.09 15:52:58 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 70) :
    Thats what the Freestaters would have one believe. :roll:

  • Comment 77, posted at 20.10.09 15:54:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 67) :I’m not saying teams should only recruit from their own area but I think that once you recruit a youngster you should groom him for the position and not constantly look to insert big names from else where in front of him.

  • Comment 78, posted at 20.10.09 15:56:12 by fyndraai Reply
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  • HAHAHAHAHAH – Sammy – het Fyndraai jou bietjie opgewen?? :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.10.09 15:58:24 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 78) : so when the Bulls bought Flip vd Merwe and played him ahead of Fudge Mabeta? What message did that send out? Or Dries van Schalkwyk and Jacques Burger ahead of van Veltze and Ockie Kruger?

    What about Jaco Pretorius and Bryan Habana?

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.10.09 16:05:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • i’m outta here.

    have a good evening good people :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 20.10.09 16:05:18 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 78) :
    In the ideal world, yes.
    In all honesty the Sharks have many players in their team that have come via the accademy. Jannie dup is one high profile player that was bought, but who else other than Frdddy and Hernandez. Jean Deysel and Rory Kokettt were no name signings when identified.
    I must be nissing some big name players that were bought but cant think of who.

  • Comment 82, posted at 20.10.09 16:06:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 82) : jannie, Fred and Juan are the only big names we’ve bought in the last 5 years.

  • Comment 83, posted at 20.10.09 16:10:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 79) :
    Not at all, enjoying the banter.

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.10.09 16:10:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) :
    Thats how Ive got it too.
    Hardly a harvest that.

  • Comment 85, posted at 20.10.09 16:12:39 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 84) :

    :grin:

    @Salmonoid (Comment 85) :

    Especially Jannie… :roll: :twisted:

  • Comment 86, posted at 20.10.09 16:16:00 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) : We are trying to help the Sharks here. ;-)
    Whatever the strategy of the Bulls, right now it is working so there is no need to discuss it.

  • Comment 87, posted at 20.10.09 16:17:50 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 87) : So we need 3 world class locks and the best scrumhalf in the world. That`s a hard ask . . .

  • Comment 88, posted at 20.10.09 16:21:04 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 87) : ipso facto, the Sharks are following the same strategy as the Bulls, in this regard, yet are less successful.

    So the problem must lie elsewhere…

  • Comment 89, posted at 20.10.09 16:22:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) :
    Tony Brown.
    Percy Montgomery.

    The offers to Habana and other Bulls a year or so ago.
    The current offers to Lions under contract.

    And they contracted Hernandez while Ruan Pienaar was the incumbent Bok 10.

    I’ve often read articles and statements on this site that we should buy this or that player. Is it just you fans or is that the strategy at the Sharks? My perception is the latter.

  • Comment 90, posted at 20.10.09 16:25:16 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 90) : shit – forgot about them. Add Skinstad to that list as well.

    dude, they have exactly the same discussions on websites slanted towards the other teams as well…

  • Comment 91, posted at 20.10.09 16:27:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • I dont t5hink Percy and Skinstads signatures were actively chased by the Sharks, but thet actually made themselves available for the Sharks in the hope of getting into the World Cup squad.

  • Comment 92, posted at 20.10.09 16:38:27 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 92) : based on relationships with Dick

  • Comment 93, posted at 20.10.09 16:42:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • Whats the story with Matfield not wanting to shake Luke’s hand??
    Talk about unsportsmanlike behaviour! :roll:

  • Comment 94, posted at 20.10.09 16:43:39 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 94) :
    Are you sure?

  • Comment 95, posted at 20.10.09 16:54:26 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 88) :
    also a wing (Habana) and a prayer (to gain absolution for the elbow maneuver).

    A special hymn:
    The Shark is not a bottom feeder.
    I don’t yell Free State bra,
    I’ll stay a Shark Dude…..

    T-shirts! The whole religious cult thing seems to work great in Pretoria.

  • Comment 96, posted at 20.10.09 17:10:06 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 94) : perhaps Lukie het gepukie in his hand :roll: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 97, posted at 20.10.09 17:12:36 by diablo Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 96) : is surfing an acceptable substitute?

  • Comment 98, posted at 20.10.09 17:40:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 97) : clever.

    Can we let that go yet?

  • Comment 99, posted at 20.10.09 17:43:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 99) : Great article Rob, have to agree with you we need some young blood.

  • Comment 100, posted at 20.10.09 17:58:00 by mbayshark Reply
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  • @mbayshark (Comment 100) : And to let Francois Steyn go, I do not understand. Is he back to play for us some part of next season??

  • Comment 101, posted at 20.10.09 17:59:04 by mbayshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : May work.
    Surfing is a religion too but they will struggle to convert the Vrystaters.

    Does pot fall in the performance enhancing drug, category?

  • Comment 102, posted at 20.10.09 18:07:42 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @mbayshark (Comment 100) : thanks, but I didn’t write it myself :-)

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  • @robdylan (Comment 103) : Mmmm my mistake, my eyes doesn’t read text in bold.

  • Comment 104, posted at 20.10.09 18:34:59 by mbayshark Reply
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  • @mbayshark (Comment 104) : :oops: :oops: :oops:

  • Comment 105, posted at 20.10.09 18:35:20 by mbayshark Reply
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  • @mbayshark (Comment 105) : he he :-)

  • Comment 106, posted at 20.10.09 18:43:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @mbayshark (Comment 101) : You must be new here.

    SharkWorld’s benevolent dictator was practically leading the mob that ran Frans Steyn out of town.

  • Comment 107, posted at 20.10.09 20:16:39 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 107) : What? Where? Why? :shock:

  • Comment 108, posted at 20.10.09 20:37:01 by mbayshark Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 107) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    wonder who spilt the beans to Frans :mrgreen:

  • Comment 109, posted at 20.10.09 20:45:47 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 107) : job well done. Next is Dries

  • Comment 110, posted at 20.10.09 21:16:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 110) : In contrast, us Bulls fans are fiercely loyal to the players. Maak die Bulle almal Bokkke! Next year they’ll boo Habana laat die snot spat, but next week he will still be a hero.

  • Comment 111, posted at 20.10.09 21:27:59 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 111) : bulls fans? fiercely loyal??? only when their team is winning, unfortunately same with MOST sharks fans

  • Comment 112, posted at 20.10.09 21:50:12 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 112) : I agree, a couple of years ago they were all ganging up on poor Meyer who is largely responsible for the success they reap today. Do you not think the Bulls success is a combination of volk and vaderland and the luck of a bunch of world-class playerscoming together at the same time. Take Matfield, bakkies,Morne Steyn and Fourie Dupree out of that team and it’s not all that special. I think Morne Steyn is an exceptionally talented player but Fourie gives him the luxury of a lot of time, plus he is a brilliant kicker and the laws suit his game.

  • Comment 113, posted at 21.10.09 06:23:32 by Whindy Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 112) : I beg to differ – certain fans are fickle, but by and large the BB supporters will walk on coals for their team. Must have something to do with a love of rugby that is only matched my very few other unions.
    @Whindy (Comment 113) : But those guys ARE in the team, and they are in the team beacause they prefer to paly for a team with a proud rugby tradition. :lol:

  • Comment 114, posted at 21.10.09 09:19:05 by diablo Reply

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  • @diablo (Comment 114) : You are obviously very young or have a very short memory span.
    Go scratch around the early years of the Super 12, when the Bulls were really battling and then tell me where all these BB supporters with their love of rugby were.
    Hint – they werent at Loftus.

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  • @diablo (Comment 114) : I beg to differ on that point Bakkies wanted out, as did Habana and Matfield got out, the $$ signs come first and you will not convince me otherwise, granted the BB tradition definitely stands for something and to my mind is the difference between you guys and the sharks. That do or die for the jersey, mentality exists in Pretoria, as do some rather strange fanatical fans, that you only get at Loftus and which make it the least pleasant place for visiting teams to visit, giving the Bulls huge home ground advantage, but at the end of the day it’s the $$ signs that count.

  • Comment 116, posted at 21.10.09 09:28:33 by Whindy Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 114) :

    Like you did in the 90′s when your team played in an empty stadium at Loftus?? :roll:

  • Comment 117, posted at 21.10.09 09:30:06 by wpw Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 114) : When The bulls were coming last in the S12 and not much better in the CC from around 99-2002 or so? Go check the stats, they couldn’t buy a semi and they had no fans to urge them on.

    Like Sharks fans, they support the team when they’re doing well and turn on them (hint – read posts on this site) when they fail.

  • Comment 118, posted at 21.10.09 09:37:11 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 118) : Agreed Baldrick, South African’s are a fickle bunch and we love success, but when things are down we are nowhere to be seen, the word arrogance is something the rest of the world tend to label us as !!

  • Comment 119, posted at 21.10.09 09:42:48 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 116) : True, but I was trying to point out that they prefer to play their SA rugby for the Bulls. Obviousely one will alwasy find exceptions to any rule ;-)
    And yes, during the “dark days” you chaps refer to, it did seem as if some supporters had turned their backs on the Bulls, but I can assure you that the majority still would have bled for that team(albeit somehat quietly) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 120, posted at 21.10.09 09:48:42 by diablo Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 119) : Of course we fickle – we want success, not losers, but the only thing missing from the equation is that not all of us understand that there always has to be a loser….

    It should be a prerequiste that if you want to support SA – you start with a year long spell of supporting WP – so you can learn that despite doing well, and having good players and a decent coaching staff – success isn’t a sure thing :D

  • Comment 121, posted at 21.10.09 09:49:45 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • EXCuse me, I will never abandon my Sharks!! But some constructive criticism needs to be levelled at our players, coach and Administrators! ECR yesterday interviewed Marck Andrews and he had quite a bit to say that made a lot of sense. The major point being when the Sharks thought they had won, (18-3 up) they closed shop and were already thinking of the Final, which they then did not make. This is a recurring problem with the Sharks if they need four tries they will play like there is no tomorrow and get those 4 tries and then they close shop and let the other team in. And our subs were not even used, if Koky had been on one of those 4 useless drop kick attempts would have gone over. John was battling as was Beast why not bring on Jannie who can play on either side of the scrum. Beast and John are tired! Bissie was doing well but he too is exhausted Craig was on the bench why was he not brought on timeously? Monty to replace a wing? Where is Mvovo?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have no doubt he would have caught potgieter. And finally I am having my doubts on Ruan at 9! He seems too slow …

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 121) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 123, posted at 21.10.09 09:53:21 by diablo Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 122) : Too slow to clear rucks I mean.

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 122) :

    i am with you all the way…

    @Baldrick (Comment 118) :

    Baldman, the fact that we crit does NOT = turning against the team you support..quite frankly, I cannot remember ONE Sharks fan who said – i am going to support XYZ…..? Even “The Sharks” who is REALLY gatvol di not say that – he called them useless bliksems, but nonetheless said he will see them next year.

    So dont talk crap, please :evil:

  • Comment 125, posted at 21.10.09 10:00:22 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 119) :

    I am still here and will be here untill the S14 Starts nexts year – I did not run away, because my team let me down, which I am also not afraid to say…and I am also as arrogant as EVER!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 126, posted at 21.10.09 10:11:18 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 126) : So long as you can do it with dignity, when your team loses, thats where a lot of us fall down, admitting the better team won and maybe our team played badly!! One thing I dont doubt, is you will be there to support the sharkies, now all we need to get you is a raincoat and one of those skimpy costumes to wear with a S on the front. HA-HA :lol:

  • Comment 127, posted at 21.10.09 10:28:07 by Whindy Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 126) : Well said!!! The Sharks let us down badly on Saturday! And to think I had just put even more money in their pockets by buying my 4th Sharks Shirt :cry: But I will forever support the SHarks!!!!! Going to get my season tickets next week simply cannot wait! I hope they are starting to sell next week as I was told before my money is spent!

  • Comment 128, posted at 21.10.09 10:31:43 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 118) : we criticise them when they fuck up because we’re not blind or stupid! The ostrich approach solves nothing. Sometimes I feel like you’ve bought the company line, Baldy. You’re happy for the team to be mediocre as long as nobody rocks the boat.

  • Comment 129, posted at 21.10.09 10:32:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 127) :

    And that is exactly what we are doing – we are saying and I quote ” they were a bunch of useless blixems” :lol: (on Saturday that is – but we sure as hell knows they are capable of more too!)

    And nothing would give me more pleasure than running around on KP with a skimpy bikini, wearing the “S” proudly on mt tummy!! :cool: ;-)

  • Comment 130, posted at 21.10.09 10:44:04 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 128) :

    Deposit it into my account – I will keep it untill tickets go on sale.. ;-) :lol:

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 128) : Good on you, and next year I’m sure you will give us uphill again :shock: Myself going up to The Game next week, so shall be adding to my BB shirt collection – now have +- 22, but one can never have too many ;-)

  • Comment 132, posted at 21.10.09 10:47:51 by diablo Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 130) : ive been wearing my sharks t shirts from yesterday, kind of helps to get over it,i get a lot of shit from the public though!!

  • Comment 133, posted at 21.10.09 10:53:37 by willa Reply

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  • @willa (Comment 133) :

    :mrgreen: Well done! You make me proud!! :lol: ;-)

    Hopefully if I jump into my sharks attire (which Whindy suggested) I dont get shit…maybe form my hubby! :lol:

  • Comment 134, posted at 21.10.09 10:55:30 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 132) : Shew and I thought I was bad :razz: Of course I will be giving you uphill next year again ;-)

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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 134) : You would do very well in that attire, plus you would get to see the game and player up close :lol:

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 136) :

    It’s the “french benefits’ that goes with that attire.. ;-)

  • Comment 137, posted at 21.10.09 11:01:18 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 137) :

    OOOPPPSSS…meant FRINGE… :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 138, posted at 21.10.09 11:02:15 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • Well done Baldrick.
    One observation and comment from you and you have turned the tde of negativity to a far more positive outlook. :lol: :cool:

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 139) :

    On that note…I was actually thinking (yes …I CAN if I want too) :wink: We have had a go at everyone, from players to coaches to admin to other teams and refs…and in all honesty – I think this was to help us feel better (although I am not sure it helped..yet)

    ROB ET AL…. How about an “Every cloud has a silver lining” article on the past unsuccesfull CC trophy defending campaign of the Sharks?

    What Positives came out of this whole sad ordeal? (I personally still cannot think of much :twisted: ) but I am sure some good came out of this season??

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 139) :
    tde = tide.

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 141) :

    Thought ur usng sms lingo like the youngsters.. :lol:

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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 137) : @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 138) : :lol: :

  • Comment 143, posted at 21.10.09 11:25:17 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 140) : will write some more stuff tonight… busy day at work today

  • Comment 144, posted at 21.10.09 11:29:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • Maybe you could confirm which players are coming to the Sharks?
    Pat Lambie I hope will be promoted to the big team? Where is Mvovo? What will our team for S15 look like?
    I cannot believe we have what 90 days without the Sharks, I will be going through withdrawl symptoms I think!

  • Comment 145, posted at 21.10.09 11:31:45 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 140) :
    If you want to look for positives, just ask Rob to find the articles, that came out after the Super 14 and before the start of the CC, on the lack of depth at Sharks and where we would end the CC. While reading those comments bear in mind where we were one week ago as opposed to where we were expecting to be.

  • Comment 146, posted at 21.10.09 11:34:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 142) :
    That stuff confuses me, I do it unintntnly.

  • Comment 147, posted at 21.10.09 11:36:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 147) :

    It’s Greek to me – waste of my time as I need to read it 5 times over to see what was meant! I better brush up though….have a daugter who is fast approaching sms’ing stage… :lol:

    @robdylan (Comment 144) :

    Thanks Mr Muscle! :lol:

    @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 145) :

    Same here Mad…I just cant get enough!! :???:

  • Comment 148, posted at 21.10.09 11:40:37 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 148) : What will I do on Saturdays now?

  • Comment 149, posted at 21.10.09 11:43:40 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 149) :

    Knit?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 150, posted at 21.10.09 12:01:10 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 129) : Not true at all Rob. I am just as disappointed about it as everyone else, but a while ago I learned that when you take the disappointment too hard, you spoil your weekend, and as it seems, the three days into the next week.

    For whatever reason they lost, and my personal feeling is that there are a lot involving many people, I have decided to move on, as I do after every loss, and as I do after every win.

    WHat I dislike is all the hate speech leveled at a player (Frans, Adi, JP, Plum, Rudolf, etc) and then when they do something right, everyone fawns over them, especially the ones who were quick to jump on their backs.

    People are quick to criticise Pienaar, but forget he almost single-handedly won the 1st BIL test. Steyn won the second and he was the golden boy. People forget how [email protected] he was in the third Test.

    I rarely signal out individuals because I know that just as quickly they fail, so they may just win games and then you look like a paoolka who doesn’t understand the way form ebbs and flows.

    There can only be one winner, and everyone else must lament, and then get over it.

  • Comment 151, posted at 21.10.09 12:10:14 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 139) : I get crapped on for being positive and then everyone follows my lead.

    Lemmings :-)

  • Comment 152, posted at 21.10.09 12:14:39 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 151) :

    I said this the other day, and not many agreed then.

    We tend to overanalyze.

    Simple truth is, the boys were not good enough.

    Once the team (and supporters) admit to that, they can look at how or where they were not up to it, and once that is done, fix it.

  • Comment 153, posted at 21.10.09 12:16:31 by Morné Reply
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  • I see the Super 15 case is gonna go to arbitration to decide on who will be the 15th team as they could not come to a unanomous decision on who to choose… :roll: You dont need to be Nostradamus to know that this was gonna come… :roll:

  • Comment 154, posted at 21.10.09 12:17:26 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • Hi All
    Followed the tread and just seen the game Don’t know what happened last 20 it was like ok we won now defend lead Poor decision making by both decision making on field and off-no subs in the front row- led to our demise
    For what its worth I think the front row were shot and it might have been better not to play the boks and let them rest We seemed to loose rhythm once they came back Hindsight is easy
    Anyway its done now so to next year Bad draw so they say but I’m not a betting man I think we are going to take it next year
    Put together a squad based on what is here and plus the rumours and I think we are going to be great

    15 (ludik), Oom, Lambie
    11 odwa, Rosco, Richards,
    14 JP, Mvovo,
    13 Adi, Murray,
    12 Hernandez, Swannie, we need to draft here maybe Dewet barry!!!
    10 Pienaar,JHM, Guy Cronje
    09 Rory, Ross Cronje,Mcloed
    08 Kanko, Lususani, (Alberts)
    07 Wolla Mamjole, Alberts
    06 Botes, keegan, Skollie
    05 Joe, Hargraves, Grobler
    04 Sykes, Bresler ,Marais, Thompson
    03 John(Capt) Jannie, Pat, Herbst, Redinghuis
    02 Bisy Craig Kyle cooper
    01 Beast Deon Chadwick

    In this squad are 13 of the U/21 side some of whom have played for the Sharks alread
    I am excited for if Plum can blend this side we will have the S14 trophy

    what do you think

  • Comment 155, posted at 21.10.09 12:19:55 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 153) :

    Hi, my name is Ice, and I am a dissapointed Sharks fan, who admit that my team were not good enough on Saturday… ;-)

    on the day.. :twisted:

  • Comment 156, posted at 21.10.09 12:20:22 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 118) : i support my team, through good times and bad times, these are bad times :evil: i am actually really pissed off with the team, but I still love them,
    @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 140) : i’m sorry i just can’t bring myself to be positive, the sharks will NEVER win anything again until they get their heads right

  • Comment 157, posted at 21.10.09 12:26:29 by war1 Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 156) :

    (Chorus): Hello Ice…

    :lol:

  • Comment 158, posted at 21.10.09 12:26:41 by Morné Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 156) : that was simply not good enough from such a good team with such an 18-3 lead!!

  • Comment 159, posted at 21.10.09 12:28:03 by war1 Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 155) : Excellent but you have forgotten Gerhard Mostert!

  • Comment 160, posted at 21.10.09 12:28:38 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 158) :

    Okay…now, can we fricken FIX it already??? :roll: ;-)

    @war1 (Comment 157) :

    And part of getting your head right is attitude, because attidues empowers a person, it creates feelings that are translated into behaviour (good / positive or bad / negative)… ;-)

  • Comment 161, posted at 21.10.09 12:30:39 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 155) : team looks good on paper, as it did this year, but unfortunately rugby is not played on paper and trophies are not won by ability alone, if it was so, we would be talking about the sharks in the final,

  • Comment 162, posted at 21.10.09 12:31:32 by war1 Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 161) : the players need to focus, they can do so much better!!

  • Comment 163, posted at 21.10.09 12:32:35 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 159) : Exactly how I feel! Very disapointed how could they let a 15 point lead go!

  • Comment 164, posted at 21.10.09 12:32:39 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 161) :

    Shit – look at that…I think the Sharks need to appoint me as “head” / mental coach.. :grin:

  • Comment 165, posted at 21.10.09 12:33:04 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 165) : well, apparently there is no one employed in that position so maybe you should apply

  • Comment 166, posted at 21.10.09 12:35:38 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 166) :

    I am sure it will beat what I am doing now! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 167, posted at 21.10.09 12:37:56 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 167) : but if the Sharks implode again next year, you would be in trouble on this blog :mrgreen:

  • Comment 168, posted at 21.10.09 12:39:34 by war1 Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 155) :
    I guess you have enjoyed watching the under 21s as much as I have.
    And amazingly SuperSport didnt show any of the age group semis.

  • Comment 169, posted at 21.10.09 12:45:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 168) :

    trust me…I am a Dr!! :wink:

    and remember…Ice never gets into trouble…make, yes, but not get into.. :lol:

  • Comment 170, posted at 21.10.09 12:46:09 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 163) : Perhaps the players are not as pasionate about the team as most of the bloggers here seem to be. It has been said that 15 players who WANT to win, will beat 15 guys who CAN win most of the time! :|

  • Comment 171, posted at 21.10.09 12:46:29 by diablo Reply

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  • @diablo (Comment 171) : dont think its that, these are the same group of guys who won the currie cup last year, it’s something else i reckon, i dont buy the “mercenary” excuse

  • Comment 172, posted at 21.10.09 12:51:19 by war1 Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 170) : :cool:

  • Comment 173, posted at 21.10.09 12:52:49 by war1 Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 169) : only saw a few games a couple on tv & 2 live They have some really good players in there I really like that No 8 he has a big future ahead of him. Also Pat lambie Bok in the making What I am excited about with the U21 is that most are ready to step up to the S14 side not all will make it but if we can hold onto them over the next 3 years we are going to have a really good side @Fattmann (Comment 155) : forgot 07 Rhodes

  • Comment 174, posted at 21.10.09 12:54:32 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 171) :
    So you reckon Habana has had enough of winning, or maybe from next year he wants to carry on winning. ;-)

    Speaking of Habana, is it only me or was he very non commital in that semi against WP, he didnt seem to be looking for any work anywhere.

  • Comment 175, posted at 21.10.09 13:31:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Most of you completely missed my point. The contrast I was pointing out is the hate speech directed at players that is so common here. I cannot vouch for all Bulls fans but I’ve never seen similar invectives directed at the players over on http://www.bullewêreld.co.za.

    The coach is a different matter all together.

  • Comment 176, posted at 21.10.09 13:50:46 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Nobody can blame the fans if we stay away when the team plays crap. We pay to be entertained after all. Only WP fans are different.

    As for the poor Bulls teams circa 1998 to 2003. I’ll remind you ouks that those were the days of the franchises. SARU (from Nuweland) was appointing coaches and managers. Those teams may have played in Pretoria, but us Bulls fans were not fooled at all, they were “Bulls” in name only.

  • Comment 177, posted at 21.10.09 13:57:58 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 176) :

    Do yourself a favour and go to www,bluebulls.co.za…espeacially after a loss…I have had many a laugh reading those comments and the people actually attacking each other – I was sometimes glad that it was on a PC coz I am sure many would have ended up in ICU was it a face to face encounter… :mrgreen:

    No Fyndraai…I think you are misinterpreting “looking for where the mistakes lie and who could improve or perhaps be replaced” for hatespeech.. ;-)

  • Comment 178, posted at 21.10.09 13:59:40 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • Website adds that makes my PC talk or re-direct my browser to http://www.buystufffromchina.com is a big no no.

    Bye.

  • Comment 179, posted at 21.10.09 14:00:08 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 178) : well said ice

  • Comment 180, posted at 21.10.09 14:02:21 by war1 Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 175) :

    I think he’s just prepearing to get in the Cape-Town way of doing things.. :twisted:

    Chilling a bit, bru..

  • Comment 181, posted at 21.10.09 14:04:37 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 178) :
    I’ve never heard of that website. Is it for real? :mrgreen:

    This time I’m really of.

  • Comment 182, posted at 21.10.09 14:06:07 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 179) :

    I ALSO WANT MY PC TO TALK!! :shock: :lol:

  • Comment 183, posted at 21.10.09 14:08:18 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 182) :

    I see it directs you to http://www.thebulls.co.za..it is The ‘Official’ bulls site.. :roll: :lol:

    Fyndraai…do I know you from there..? :twisted:

  • Comment 184, posted at 21.10.09 14:10:51 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • yawn. has the super 14 started yet?

  • Comment 185, posted at 21.10.09 14:30:33 by try time Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 185) :

    Nope…nothing for you to bitch about..yet.. :twisted:

  • Comment 186, posted at 21.10.09 14:35:05 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 175) : Habs did show a distinct lack of commitment, yes, and I wondered if he was a bit tired after a spell of house-hunting :roll: Winning rugby? – don’t know – is the Cape not the place where the guys all go to retire?….Seriousely though, I believe he still has some good rugby in him, pity nobody told him that horizontal stripes makes you look fat (especially on TV) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 187, posted at 21.10.09 14:43:25 by diablo Reply

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  • @diablo (Comment 187) : oh… that’s why Ricky seems so…. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 188, posted at 21.10.09 14:59:45 by rekinek (retreat -ing) Reply
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  • @rekinek (retreat -ing) (Comment 188) :

    No Reks…TV can never ‘put on” THAT much weight…conclusion – its teh pies.. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 189, posted at 21.10.09 15:09:59 by GI Ice (Now its WAR!) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Now its WAR!) (Comment 189) : teh booze as well ;-)

  • Comment 190, posted at 21.10.09 15:17:12 by war1 Reply
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  • You need a center like Walter Venter that is with the Lions, They dont want to use him, and I see that have invested in 6 senters.

  • Comment 191, posted at 03.11.09 10:13:47 by FISH Reply

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  • @FISH (Comment 191) : I agree, Fish… you know I rate that lad VERY highly. I guess you do as well? :)

  • Comment 192, posted at 03.11.09 10:18:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • The problem with Walter Venter to go to the Sharks is( Rudi Ears St), for some reason he dose not like him.

  • Comment 193, posted at 09.11.09 14:09:08 by FISH Reply

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  • @FISH (Comment 193) : he has some strange ideas, that oke. I see Walla has decided to stay with the the Lions?

  • Comment 194, posted at 09.11.09 14:15:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 194) : So then who exactly have the Sharks signed? I somehow think I am not going to buy season tickets this year :( To pay R3000 and the shlep to drive all the way to the Tank not to mention the fights with Hubby who resists going to the Rugby, just doesn’t seem worth it if we are to have the same depth issues we had this season! :evil:

  • Comment 195, posted at 09.11.09 14:25:00 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 195) : well, unofficially, we have added Louis Ludik, Willem Alberts, Gerhard Mostert and Johan Wessels to the squad. Officially, there is no confirmation of anything. :oops:

  • Comment 196, posted at 09.11.09 14:38:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 196) : Rob then who is Walla? I think then I am getting confused :oops: …As usual :???:

  • Comment 197, posted at 09.11.09 14:41:39 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 197) : Walter Venter

  • Comment 198, posted at 09.11.09 15:04:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 198) : oh shew!!!! I thought Walla was Willem ALberts! Hence my panic :oops: Next time I’ll ask first, panic later :smile:

  • Comment 199, posted at 09.11.09 15:09:16 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 199) : always a better approach.

    Alberts is called Big Vic. Don’t ask me why… obviously some form of Joburg humour :)

  • Comment 200, posted at 09.11.09 15:47:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • Any news on Dan Carter sighting?

  • Comment 201, posted at 09.11.09 15:54:55 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 201) :

    citing :oops:

  • Comment 202, posted at 09.11.09 15:59:20 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 201) : You’re always sighting Dan Carter…you probably have his games PVR’rd and watch all the games with him over and over and over…. :wink:

  • Comment 203, posted at 09.11.09 16:01:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 202) : Did you see hoe embrassed he looked when that chick interviewing him…gave him a hard time about also being mn of the match :grin:

  • Comment 204, posted at 09.11.09 16:05:35 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 203) :

    :mrgreen: (He is such a dish, no wonder I got the terminology wrong! LOL)

    @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 204) :

    i did not see any rugby this weekend…now I wish I HAD a PVR!! ;-)

  • Comment 205, posted at 09.11.09 16:14:16 by GI Ice (Bulletproof) Reply
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  • @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 201) :
    @GI Ice (Bulletproof) (Comment 202) :
    freudian slip :mrgreen:

  • Comment 206, posted at 09.11.09 18:49:37 by rekinek Reply
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  • He still has not signed.

  • Comment 207, posted at 10.11.09 11:39:24 by FISH Reply

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  • Well I for one feel people can`t blame me for being a bit negative after this year.
    At the beginning of this year I felt the super 14 and the cc was within our grasp and somehow the lowely Free State managed to bundle us out of both competitions.
    I honestly thought we had the depth, sure I was a bit apprehensive when we had to start the CC without our bokke but when we managed to beat even the Bulls with McLoed and Monty I thought we were home free.
    Then we finished top of the log, against expectation and right there everything went pear shaped. The people in Durban obviously thought we were going to play in the final again the next week so they just didn`t pitch up, thereby nullifying our home ground advantage to such an extent that the Cheetahs, ( not very good travellers as they proved in the final ) had a fairly easy game.
    Add to this poor team selection that only really started when our so called bokke came back, poor execution and the obscure tactic to give away possession when it was clear our fetchers can`t do anything against Brussow and that was it. Another season full of high expectations down the drain.
    So yeah, I`m not positive. If we couldn`t win anything worthwhile with this squad, how do we expect to improve next year without key players like Steyn, Monty and Murray?
    We have our backs to the wall. I haven`t seen a super 14 squad yet but I can compare what I think it`ll be against for example a wp backline ( who had our number all year ) and the outlook is . .. grim.

  • Comment 208, posted at 10.11.09 12:31:43 by Original Pierre Reply
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