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Disgruntled


Written by Gary Theron (Agent Orange)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 7 Nov 2009 at 20:20
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Gutted.

Well done Leicester. The better team won. Harsh but fair. Now for the vitriol:

1. Stuart Dickinson cements his place as the crappest ref of modern times. In fact, he’s closing in fast on Clive Norling for the worst ref ever. Name one other ref that would allow 7 consecutive penalties without reaching for his pocket, I dare you. He’s always been rubbish, and he remains rubbish. There are ways for rucks and mauls to end other than in a penalty, but his almost perfect 1-to-1 ratio would have you believe otherwise. And obstructive running? Not sure he’s heard of that rule. I can’t accuse him of bias in this match. Just shiteness.
2. Ruan Pienaar. In the dictionary, under Flogging A Dead Horse, there’s a picture of Ruan wearing a number 10 jersey. Put him on the wing or centre or fullback. Or prop for god’s sake. But not number 10. For more detail on this, refer to M. Steyn.
3. Committing players to the breakdown. The Tigers monstered us at the breakdown. This is a combination of poor performance by the Bok flankers and the tactic to not commit players. For a country that has world-class loosies hiding under every rock, it certainly didn’t look like it.
4. Ashley Johnson, Heini Adams and Ndungane looked like the only boys who actually wanted to win the match. There were almost no attempts to charge down kicks or pressurise the Tigers back line. Which is even worse when you consider that the players weren’t exactly all lying at the bottom of a ruck, committed.

But the biggest culprit for the day was the single lack of brains by the Bok squad.

* You can’t show up expecting to win, EVER. Facing a team with Castrogiovanni, Mauger and Tiquiri, you can’t take it lightly.
* Basics, basics, basics. Your hooker must be able to throw a ball. Your props must be able to scrum. And your flyhalf needs to be able to make decisions.
* This kak about expansive, running, open rugby being the holy grail must stop NOW. The correct brand of rugby to play is winning rugby. When you’re 20 points clear with 10 minutes on the clock, get cocky by all means, but win first. Naas Botha, the greatest match winner in the history of the game, showed this beautifully. Or, the Currie Cup final this year. Or England in 2003. Or Australia with Lynagh at 10. Or the Boks in the Tri Nations this year. All of these teams had excellent outside backs providing scintillating rugby, but on the foundation of an intelligent grasp of how the game should be played. Gerber & Du Plessis scored their best tries with Botha at flyhalf, a man blamed for killing the game, and reducing it to a kicking spectacle. Messrs Lynagh, Fox, Clarke, Wilkinson et al had the same accusation levelled at them. And they’re ALL remembered as being part of winning teams. As much as it pains me to say it, the Bulls (and the 2009 Boks hitherto this match) had the right formula:
1. Create a solid foundation.
2. Have a pivot pair who can intelligently trade off possession for territory
3. Finish it off with quality outside backs.
4. …and have a captain who makes the right decisions.

The closest we got to this today was number 3, and that was barely. Earl Rose played the best I’ve EVER seen him play, and he was still shite. I’m afraid the blame for the loss must sit with the selectors and coaching staff more than with the players.

But well done Leicester. Hope they had a solid party last night. They deserved it. And hopefully the kick up the Bok pants has come in time for the Saracens game.



69 Comments

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  • Comment 1, posted at 07.11.09 20:29:36 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • Get a BlackBerry :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.11.09 21:41:42 by Charlie Reply

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  • What was a worrying factor was that experience test players like Steenkamp, Du Plessis, Rossouw, Pienaar & Olivier was sub-standard so not all the blame can be accountable to the coaches & selectors :wink:

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.11.09 21:49:55 by Charlie Reply

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  • Steenkamp and Chilli both heading home.

    Replaced by du Preez and A Strauss

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.11.09 22:02:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ruan is the new Brent Russel of SA rugby….leave the lad to play where he plays best…..

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.11.09 22:37:48 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • Ruan sucks….Morne is the best…Bulls play intelligent????

    Am I really reading this on sharksworld?

    Is that you Pienaar?

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.11.09 23:24:56 by fyndraai Reply
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  • rather,
    Is vat you Pienaar?

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.11.09 23:25:38 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 7) : you see, we do provide a diversity of views here :-)

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.11.09 08:13:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Also Jannie has hand injury so he could also be on his way home

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.11.09 09:18:28 by Fattmann Reply
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  • I see in Rapport that Pieter de Villiers, the SA french prop will be giving the Boks some advice this week :roll:

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.11.09 10:03:23 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 10) : he clearly doesn’t know the meaning of “lost cause”…

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.11.09 10:40:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Bok front row was humbled by a provincial one in the CC semi, and the second string boke front row was humbled by a club side (Leicester).

    Tells us something is not right in the land of the big old South African front row.

    Fatigue.

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.11.09 10:44:08 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 6) : I’m neither a Bulls fan nor a Sharks fan. All I’m doing is looking at what works. And I’m afraid an empirical comparison of Ruan vs Morne at 10 clearly shows which one works better. Note I’m not talking about what MIGHT have been. My gut feel is that Ruan’s more talented. But Morne’s approach delivers. Ditto the Bulls. As a diehard Cheetah, it hurt like hell to watch the Currie Cup final. But the simple truth is that what the Bulls did was a better way to win. And that’s all I’m suggesting the Boks do – follow the best way to win, not the sentimental one.

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.11.09 11:04:45 by Agent Orange Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 12) : spot on… and it’s only going to get worse for the first team… Beast, Bis and Smittie are all stuffed too

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.11.09 11:10:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Agent Orange (Comment 13) : Pienaar’s problem is confidence, not lack of skill. We saw in the first test against the Lions that he’s more than capable of dictating with the boot. The poor kid doesn’t know which end is up anymore and I feel that DeVilliers has shafted him. They should have taken him on this tour as the backup scrummie and left it at that.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.11.09 11:13:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : We’ll see it in the S14 next year and the latter stages of the season. Then the Boks will be overplayed again, and all taken on the EOYT. Then there is talk that the RWC 2011 squad players will have a break in the initial stages of the S14 in 2011 and the same thing will happen as 2007. No Kiwi in the finals of the S14, and no All Black RWC success.

    Those who don’t learn from the past are committed to repeating it.

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.11.09 18:44:03 by Baldrick Reply

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  • yes I agree! Will he be our no 1 scrummie for the Sharks? I hope so!

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.11.09 18:44:04 by lovebubble Reply

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  • @lovebubble (Comment 17) : with the way Rocket is playing,definitely!

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.11.09 19:07:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 9) : Confirmed Jannie hand broken CJ replaces him Yes CJ some sence finally@robdylan (Comment 14) : Big difference biz beat and smitty have had 4 weeks off more concerned about bakkies and victor 2 weeks alsomet off

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.11.09 19:35:06 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 19) : almost not alsomet :oops:

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.11.09 19:35:48 by Fattmann Reply
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  • CJ is not the greatest tighthead. I fact, his last few games for the Boks he was a walking yellow card.
    He is overrated imho.

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.11.09 20:25:49 by wpw Reply
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  • shit. Hope Jannie recovers soon

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.11.09 23:00:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :
    Amen, amen, amen.

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.11.09 08:49:20 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I would love to have seen Morne Steyn behind that pack and in that situation that Pienaar was in on Friday night.,
    Hopefully the French will be able to shove us back at a rate of knots so that we will be able to see the results of that comparison.

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.11.09 08:54:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 24) : we did, dude. 3rd test against the BI Lions. Steyn was kak, but everyone has happily airbrushed it out of their memories because it doesn’t fit into the nice little blue box.

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.11.09 10:13:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : Everyone also conveniently forgot Ruan’s match-winning performance in the 1st BIL test!

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.11.09 10:27:29 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 26) : correct. Especially Peter de Villiers

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.11.09 10:47:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : @Baldrick (Comment 26) : @robdylan (Comment 27) :
    Could not agree more with you guys…but still believe Ruan should be left to play scrummie….du Preez cannot last forever and Ruan is the best scrummie after him.

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.11.09 11:27:51 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 28) : isn’t Fourie younger than Ruan, though? :)

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.11.09 12:10:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : Jees can’t be :shock: FDP look middle aged to me!

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.11.09 12:26:10 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 30) : hey – easy on us premature baldies :)

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.11.09 12:51:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : :lol: Sorry, No offence intended to “premature baldies”. But FDP reminds me of those american films of the little grey man, and in a suit its actually worse! I was also shocked on Friday, when they had a close up of Rosseau he too is looking aged!

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.11.09 12:56:11 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 32) : yeah – Danie’s beard makes him look older, but he is over 30 now. I know exactly what you mean about Fourie… he looks like a postman! Or rather, the dude you expect to find in a little office at the back of the post office. Wearing a short-sleeved light blue shirt with a tie and grey trousers.

    Apologies to any postal workers that I may have just offended.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.11.09 13:00:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) :
    Cliff Clayven is onto you.

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.11.09 13:14:18 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : Spot on! You have describe EXACTLY the way I see Fourie DP! :smile:

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.11.09 13:24:37 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 34) : who’s he?

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.11.09 13:37:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 34) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.11.09 13:48:25 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) :
    Clifford C. Clavin Jr, the US Postal Services ace employee from the Cheers sitcom. I’m sure he would have an opinion about our scrum woes – even if he had never seen a rugby ball in his life before.

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.11.09 13:57:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 38) : ah right… can’t say I used to watch Cheers much

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.11.09 14:13:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : I have no idea…as Mad says..he certainly looks older.

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.11.09 15:58:17 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • that was such horrid game :roll: and this leicester scrum walking and walking some more :oops:

    kobus wiese said sth in along the lines that loosies looked liked meerkats with their heads sticking out – isn’t it a basic thing for looosies to scrum :!:

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.11.09 18:52:52 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 26) : we do remember but it does not exactly absolve him from what he dished out on friday night.

    lucky for ruan forwards were so appaling that most of the criticism concentrates on them

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.11.09 18:57:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • As for Ashley Johnson – IMHO he looked very exciting in loose but for his lack of commitment in scrums he gets minus points. typical individualistic game – just to show off oneself.

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.11.09 19:00:56 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 42) : spot on

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.11.09 20:51:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • The most important skill for a 10 is kicking. Even Dan Carter’s biggest value is in his accurate kicking boot (tactical as well as place).

    Running, passing and stepping may be great for other back-line positions but are only nice-to-haves for a 10.

    The other issue with fly-half is that it is a high pressure position and the player must be comfortable and confident with himself there. It is naive to think that you can simply identify and convert a player into a 10 at test level. Had Pienaar converted to a 10 as a 19-year old the story may have been very different.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.11.09 05:45:31 by fyndraai Reply
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  • For once I agree with fyndraai. :shock:

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.11.09 07:04:52 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 46) : are u not feeling well :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.11.09 07:40:52 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 47) :

    Top of the morning to ya Rekki!!! ;-)

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.11.09 07:49:17 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 48) : good ;-)

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.11.09 07:51:36 by rekinek Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 45) : disagree. We’ve seen how ineffective it is having a Braam van Straaten or Louis Koen at 10 for the Boks

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.11.09 10:16:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) :

    Agreed, the most important thing that a 10 must be able to do is think fast and read the oposition. It’s when to do what that counts.

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.11.09 10:24:12 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 51) : thanks :)

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.11.09 10:41:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ollie (Comment 51) : Pienaar appears to be unable to do this on a regular basis at flyhalf but does so brilliantly when playing scrumhalf.

    I would pick him at 9 and only at 9.

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.11.09 11:18:39 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 53) :

    Yep, it does seem that way. For his sake he needs to be kept at 1 position only

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.11.09 11:28:46 by Ollie Reply

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  • Dan Carter has both the required mental ability to know what to do and when and also the skill to execute it.

    Jonny Wilkinson same.

    Van Straaten and Koen could only kick.

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.11.09 11:38:11 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 55) :

    Yep, Steyn is dependable at it, not mercurial, only dependable. And right now I would rather have dependable than mercurial but erratic, ala RP.

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.11.09 11:41:54 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Ollie (Comment 56) : Yip, I’m happy with Blue Steyn at 10. Happy with French Steyn at fullback and will be happy if Pienaar gets to play one position for Sharks and Boks. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.11.09 11:57:59 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 57) : Regarding Pienaar . . . how about one position for Border?

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.11.09 12:35:46 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Springbok Team (Test caps in brackets):
    15 Zane Kirchner (1)
    14 JP Pietersen (30)
    13 Jaque Fourie (51)
    12 Adi Jacobs (28)
    11 Bryan Habana (54)
    10 Morné Steyn (9)
    9 Fourie du Preez (52)
    8 Ryan Kankowski (9)
    7 Schalk Burger (53)
    6 Heinrich Brüssow (10)
    5 Victor Matfield (89)
    4 Bakkies Botha (63)
    3 John Smit – Captain (90)
    2 Bismarck du Plessis (30)
    1 Tendai Mtawarira (19)
    Reserves:
    16 Adriaan Strauss (5)
    17 Wian du Preez (0)
    18 CJ van der Linde (56)
    19 Andries Bekker (18)
    20 Danie Rossouw (43)
    21 Ruan Pienaar (34)
    22 Wynand Olivier (24)

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.11.09 12:42:43 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 57) : yes – just one position. he is not that versatile after all

    @Original Pierre (Comment 58) : i see – RP is not your favourite :mrgreen:

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.11.09 12:42:59 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 59) : glad to see kanko getting a go.

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.11.09 12:44:11 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 61) : Lets hope he has a stormer, and it helps him to get his mojo back. It would be good for both the Boks and the Sharks! I really hope he grabs this oportunity with both hands!

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.11.09 12:47:47 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • And with all the vitriol aimed at poor Adi lets hope he shuts all these nay sayers up once and for all!!!!

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.11.09 12:48:54 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 58) : Why Border :?:

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.11.09 12:54:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 63) : I quite like the idea of Adi at inside centre. :cool:

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.11.09 12:56:16 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 65) : Glad to hear it, there is a frenzy going on on Keo!

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.11.09 12:59:42 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 66) : Can imagine. But you mos know, on planet Voldy Adi cannot tackle. :lol:

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.11.09 13:11:11 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 66) : well, yes. What did you expect? :)

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.11.09 13:13:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • Speaking of flyhalves, I see Den Cardah has copped a one week ban.

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