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Beast in the balance


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 12 Nov 2009 at 11:56
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It seems that despite SARU’s assurances to the contrary, Beast Mtawarira may yet be ruled out of tomorrow night’s game against the French on the basis that, according to South African Law he is not (nor has ever been) eligible to represent the Springboks.

Now, we’re not going to get into a political argument here, but the simple administrative ineptitude on both sides of the fence is frankly staggering. It beggars belief that, two years and 19 test appearances later, it could suddenly come to light that a player actually never was eligible in the first place. It would appear that there’s a pretty clear law preventing anyone without a South African passport from playing for a representative team. Why did SARU not know about this? How come this wasn’t pointed out before Beats’s FIRST test, rather than his TWENTIETH?

Whether you agree with the legislation or not, fact is, it’s law and you don’t actually have much of a choice when it comes to picking which laws you’d like to follow. Pretty much an all-or-nothing thing, laws. The IRB can come up with their own regulations, sure, but a player will obviously need to comply with the stricter requirement when a country’s laws do not correspond with the IRB’s. It is SARU’s responsibility to ensure that their own selection policies are in line with the law of the land and trying to sneak in a back-door citizenship application (as they are reported to have done) rather than tackling the issue head on at the correct time is very much in line with the general shambles we have come to expect from them.

That Beast wasn’t immediately made an honorary citizen after what he did to Gethin Jenkins in the first Lions test is an even greater travesty, but I digress.

So poor old Beast looks likely to be the unwitting victim here of a stunning piece of administrative bungling that may well bring down the curtain on his international career before it even started. Gotta love the way we treat our national icons, don’t you?



72 Comments

  • Eish!!

    I just hope they make an exception here!!!

    Beast is already a LEGEND!! :???:

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.11.09 12:08:59 by wpw Reply
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  • im sure this could have been sorted in private rather than via the media :| hope beast can play

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.11.09 12:17:18 by war1 Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 1) : well, as Fattmann pointed out, they’ve kind of already made an exception when they allow foreigners to coach the soccer team. It sounds like the sports minister can definitely grant exemption if he wants to, but SARU’s tactic of wanting the government to extradite citizenship for Beast has rubbed them up the wrong way.

    A right royal balls up, since it sounds like Beast isn’t even really allowed to play for anyone other than the Sharks anyway, according to his work permit. Whoever the person is who does the eligibility checking for SARU should be fired.

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.11.09 12:18:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • And SARU have been so good since January by their usually low standards – but i guess getting through 12 months was too much to ask.

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.11.09 12:22:38 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 2) : spot on… it’s not fair to the player – he’s done nothing wrong.

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.11.09 12:23:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • I am shattered for Beast! This couldn’t have happened to a nicer man! He causes no grief, unless you are an oponent, does the hard yards and all with a smile on his face!

    But as a Sharks supporter I am a little happy, we will have a lovely rested and refreshed Beast, aching to show all those Administrators just what they bungled up! Can only be good for the SHarks :)

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.11.09 12:31:55 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Administrative screw up and normal pissing contest – nothing racial here.

    Hope it gets resolved fast!

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.11.09 12:44:56 by Big Fish Reply
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  • “That Beast wasn’t immediately made an honorary citizen after what he did to Gethin Jenkins in the first Lions test is an even greater travesty, but I digress.”

    Ummm Rob, that was Vickery that Beast monstered, Gethin Jenkins played loosehead in that first test, and it was John Smit that monstered him. Beast made Vickery look like a school boy. I remember writing a long post on why the Beast was able to do what he did to Vickery. Still you’re right he should have been granted citizenship right then and there, but it was for destroying Vickery. As I recall Adam Jones came on for Vickery and Rees came in at hooker which settled the B&I front row. Rees was a much bigger hooker than Mears, and I Still believe that was the problem, not Vickery, he was overburdened trying to support his weak hooker, and Beast took advantage of that.

    Anyway, I really hope that Beast can play.

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.11.09 12:53:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I am pretty sure Kevin Putt wasn’t an SA citizen when he tourred with the mideweek Boks either…

    For me there are 2 ways of looking at this:

    1) it shows what a farce IRB (and ICC for that matter) residency rules are, in that players are able to represent a country even before they are granted indefinite leave to remain (Riki Flutey being a shining example) let alone citizenship.
    2) why would SA Law contain such a stupid ruling, why is there no proviso to it and why are SARFU not aware that it is in total contrast to IRB rulings (hence affording themself the opportunity to address this issue in advance)?

    What a gemors!

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.11.09 13:06:20 by Le Req Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 8) : oh ja. Ooops. Non-Sharks players all look the same to me :)

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.11.09 13:07:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • This cannot be true… :x

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.11.09 13:10:14 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) :

    Maybe its the same person who does player ‘contracts’ at the GLRU. :twisted:

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.11.09 13:10:36 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 12) : yes, perhaps.

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.11.09 13:15:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 8) :

    That comment of Rob just reminded me of a fellow blogger from the good old days who used to get his props mixed up all the time!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.11.09 13:18:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : who me :oops: Its taken me the better part of 2 years to get the difference between 1 and 3 :???:

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.11.09 13:21:20 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • The whole organisation will have to be dissolved if Beast can’t play – what a joke!

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.11.09 13:26:02 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 15) :

    Nah, it was a gentleman from the East Rand!!! ;-)

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.11.09 13:27:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) :
    I remember!

    it was sooo funny! :lol:

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.11.09 13:28:00 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : Ahem…..sorry boet, I would never compare Rob to that one. I have heard he still doesn’t know the difference between 3 and 1. :lol:

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.11.09 13:29:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 15) : It’s a dark world in the front row. Only props really know the difference between 1 and 3 – It’s even a guess for most hookers. :wink:

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.11.09 13:32:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 20) : Ja I know, the oke on my left is a 1 and the oke on my right is a 3….now if I could just remember my right from my left. :wink:

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.11.09 13:35:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 17) : oxymoron? :)

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) : I know the difference, sure… I just don’t know all the Lions players that well :)

    I guarantee I know more about the Sharks age-group teams than I do about any team north of the equator :) Quite proudly so

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.11.09 13:43:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 20) : :lol: Okai so I am okai, it took me 2 years but at least I have got it :)

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.11.09 13:51:03 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 23) :

    with me its like golf…just when I think I’ve got it “onder die knie”…it comes and screw me around!

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.11.09 14:03:02 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 24) :

    I suppose it helps if you have actually played…

    I also have a problem remembering open and blind side flank…and left and right wing and outside and inside centre…and ..ande…I mean my left could be your right and my inside your outside and my openside your blind side…SEE – this is confusing! :mrgreen:

    I think we need a “A Sharkworld Babe’s Guide to Rugby” article.. :oops: ;-)

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.11.09 14:08:08 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 25) :

    (with pictures) :oops: :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.11.09 14:09:36 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 25) : :lol: Agreed I would definitely buy it :)

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.11.09 14:13:30 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • SARU have declined to comment further. Sounds like they’ll play him and then see what the government decides to do about it.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.11.09 14:13:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) :

    I hope on the one hand and also agree though with Mads about resting him

    ROB, but if like Windy said on another thread (that you can play if you are a resident) what is the problem then?

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.11.09 14:16:42 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 29) :

    @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 19) : Ice, you can play for whoever you like as long as you have not represented another country. You do not have to be a citizen, just resident. And qualify under the countries residency qualification rules.

    Comment 22, posted at 12.11.09 08:27:05 by Whindy

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.11.09 14:21:17 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 17) :

    Hey there Mujati… you were pushed back 200 times in one game and you decide to take it out on a poor ref? :mrgreen:

    Hey – you guys think Mujati is eligible to play? :???:

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.11.09 14:31:19 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 30) :

    nevermind…i saw an answer on another thread..SA law has more say than the IRB’s laws…correct..and SA law says you have to be a ‘citizen” correct?

    So the fact that the Rugby union @Le Req (Comment 9) :

    “2) why would SA Law contain such a stupid ruling, why is there no proviso to it and why are SARFU not aware that it is in total contrast to IRB rulings (hence affording themself the opportunity to address this issue in advance)?

    I think they were well aware of it…hence them wanting to ask teh Minister to do them a favour and speed up the citizen ship process for Beast…

    If they did not know…why would they do above?

    And why the hell did they ask in the firs place – If they kept quiet, Beast could have played and no one would have know any better!! :cool:

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.11.09 14:32:26 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • Tip for today:

    Never trust aliens. They’re up to no good.

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.11.09 14:58:42 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 32) : i suspect the government noticed it, and complained, at which point SARU asked them to just “sommer makes him a citizen”… and then the whole thing escalated.

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.11.09 14:59:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.11.09 15:03:08 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : @Big Fish (Comment 18) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) : @robdylan (Comment 22) : @provincejoulekkading (Comment 35) :

    Please enlighten us… :roll: ;-)

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.11.09 15:16:06 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • What kind of a nick is domsmooth?????? :roll:

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.11.09 15:19:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 31) :

    Dude, next time please get your figures right!!

    It was 204 times, ok??? :twisted:

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.11.09 15:22:07 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : That’s still better than ‘ol Eddie :lol:

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.11.09 15:32:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 37) :

    His name Is Domonique…and I guess he is smooth.. ;-)

    Happy Birthday, Dom!!

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.11.09 15:33:39 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 40) : Not a regular is he??

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.11.09 15:39:28 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 40) : Of hy is te dom om te weet hy is nie smooth nie :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.11.09 15:40:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 41) :

    use to be on SR, but not here..

    @Pokkel (Comment 42) :

    Sies! :lol:

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.11.09 15:50:55 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 36) : ok, ok… I’ll get onto it.

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.11.09 15:59:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) :

    Waiting patiently… :lol:

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.11.09 16:07:04 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 43) : wanna come to my Christmas party? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.11.09 16:07:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 46) :

    Sure – where? :grin:

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.11.09 16:21:16 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 45) : There is a certain poster on RW from the East Rand that always took it upon himself to select a form SA Super 14 and form CC team each week. Every single week, he selected Heinke van de Merwe at tighthead prop, and some poor tighthead from another province as the loosehead in his team. Every week someone would point out this error, and every week he would get defensive and make the same mistake the following week. That along with his bigotry make him not so much fun to be anywhere near. His first post on the Bok team for the French match was that there were 5 PCs and a Jew (he wrote yid) on the team. Apparently he has a problem with that.

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.11.09 16:30:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 48) :
    I just went and read that, the mind boggles.

  • Comment 49, posted at 12.11.09 16:49:05 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 45) : I didn’t mean today, honey :) I’ll get to it sometime over the “quiet period” :)

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.11.09 17:42:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 48) : there’s a Jewish guy in the team? Who?

  • Comment 51, posted at 12.11.09 17:54:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 48) : Who’s the jewish Bok?

  • Comment 52, posted at 12.11.09 17:59:33 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 21) :

    That is why you always need a scrummy to tell you where to pack down!!! ;)

  • Comment 53, posted at 12.11.09 18:05:43 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : @McLovin (Comment 52) :

    Kankowski just sounds Jewish! :)

  • Comment 54, posted at 12.11.09 18:07:50 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 54) : yeah – figured that was it. Hoff ain’t Jewish, that’s for sure. At least, definitely not practicing. Polish immigrant stock

  • Comment 55, posted at 12.11.09 18:10:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) :

    Well explain that to a guy that does not know the difference between a tighthead and loosehead.

  • Comment 56, posted at 12.11.09 18:12:42 by Morné Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 48) :

    I figured that is why you have not been there for a while.

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  • Comment 58, posted at 12.11.09 18:35:54 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 4) : since january? It was only a week ago he was dropped!

  • Comment 59, posted at 12.11.09 18:59:11 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 56) : fair point. I gave up on trying to explain anything to that guy a while ago. A pity, because we were once quite close.

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.11.09 20:37:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : I think Zane Kirchner is Jewish :wink: :grin: Sounds as Jewish as Kankowski. :lol:

    @Ollie (Comment 57) : Precisely, his thinly veiled bigotry along with his tendency to respond to anyone that might disagree with him by calling them stupid makes me want to spend my time elsewhere……like here. :wink: I’m glad Morne comes by to visit, but I do miss the small farmer.

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  • @Morné (Comment 53) : Ja, but what you scrummies forget is that there is another scrummie on the field saying just the opposite you say. All that chatter just confuses us simple front rowers. :wink: Sommer gooi the ball in so we can hak it…ne. :lol:

    Oh I just found out why no refs call bad scrum feeds anymore. It is because scrummies are incapable of throwing the ball straight. If they could throw it straight, they would be the ones throwing into the lineouts, not the Hooker. :lol: The wings had their chance for many years, but they couldn’t throw it in straight either.

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  • Zimbabwean-born prop Tendai Mtawarira WILL play for South Africa against France in Toulouse on Friday and there is no chance of the government stepping in to prevent him from taking to the field.

    This assurance comes from Johan Prinsloo, the Chief Executive Officer of the South African Rugby Union, in the wake of renewed reports that the Sports Ministry will attempt to block his participation in the opening Test of the Springboks’ year-end tour.

    rugby365.com can also reveal that an “administrative oversight” is what caused the furore this past fortnight and almost resulted in Mtawarira to be withdrawn from the tour.

    It has been claimed that Sports Minister Makhenkesi Stofile has still not given permission for the man known to all as the ‘Beast’ to play for the Boks.

    However, Prinsloo revealed that he will take to the field.

    “Yes, that is why we refer to our statement of last Saturday,” Prinsloo told rugby365.com, when asked about the prop’s availability.

    He admitted that the problem occurred through an oversight, because of a regulation that came into affect in 2007 – four years after Mtawarira arrived in South Africa.

    While Mtawarira does not have permanent residence, nor does he have a South African passport, Prinsloo confirmed that he has a work permit which was obtained by the Sharks – his South African province.

    He has also met the International Rugby Board’s three-year residency requirements and thus qualifies to play for the Boks on those grounds.

    However, the National Sport and Recreation Amendment Act of 2007 is what caused the problem and it appears that certain regulatory requirements – such as informing the minister of a foreign national playing for the Boks – were not met by the SARU administration.

    “When we became aware of the matter, we tried to expedite the matter and approached the Minister [of Sport & Recreation, Makhenkesi Stofile] to assist us,” Prinsloo said.

    “He [Stofile] came back to us and said that there are certain procedures to be followed.

    “We should have applied for the necessary documentation earlier, but we will rectify that,” Prinsloo told this website, adding: “Obviously there are other processes to be followed and we acknowledge that and don’t have problems with that.”

    The “administrative oversight” explains why Mtawarira was allowed to make his Bok debut in 2008 and has played in 19 Tests since, without as much as a murmur from the government.

    It was only recently that they became aware of SARU’s failure to comply with the 2007 Act, all while SARU officials believed the documentation obtained by the Sharks four years earlier, were sufficient.

    By Jan de Koning

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.11.09 08:44:35 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 63) :

    Whoop-whoop! :grin:

    It’s still shocking though…but I’ll leave that at that..

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.11.09 08:50:47 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • Great news…

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.11.09 11:32:36 by blackshark Reply

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  • i wouldn’t get too excited. This comes from Prinsloo. The oke’s lips are stained a permanent shade of brown.

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.11.09 11:48:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) :

    I read a snippet in the Sunday Times last week… At the recent SA Rugby Awards, Prinsloo apparently told a rugby journo: ‘Jy lyk darem sexy vanaand’

    The journo happens to be a man!! :shock:

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.11.09 12:27:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 67) : Was he dressed as a woman? :wink:

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.11.09 12:31:54 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 68) :

    Nope.

    I think I know who he is though!!! :smile:

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.11.09 13:12:33 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 69) :

    Why would you think you know? Do you find him sexy too? :twisted:

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.11.09 13:25:42 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 69) : Not this weekend. :wink: :lol:

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.11.09 13:26:01 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 70) :

    Nah, the journo who made the comment sort of hinted.

    What’s his name now?? Uhm, he is a Lions supporter!! :roll:

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