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Will the real Kankowski please stand up!


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 12 Nov 2009 at 17:11

The beauty, and pity about the Springbok squad at the moment and their management staff, is that once you are in, they invest in you heavily – but if you are on the outside, it is damn tough to break into the squad.

This is something that Ryan Kanowski hopefully takes to heart in the lead up to what will be in my mind, his most important test of his career.

If I was Kanko’s mentor or mental coach I would point out two instances or names to him from the 2009 season, Morne Steyn and Heinrich Brussow.

Both players initially not considered the best in their position but through some rather emphatic performances they managed to unseat the incumbents that went before them.

It is not strange Kankowski had to wait for so long for his break, it has been well documented on just how strong South Africa and Springbok rugby is in the loose-forward department and in 10 or 15 years from now, each one of us will be able to name at least 5 high quality players that never quite made it to top honours.  Not because of their ability, but simply because of the quality the Springboks we have available in the current generation of players.

Kanko now has opportunity to determine himself whether he will fall under the category of the ‘might have been’s’, or the category of those who played in the Springboks’ most successful of era’s in its rich history.

I have personally expressed my doubt about Kanko’s ability or make up to get to the absolute top, but hell if we look at the class of players we are comparing him too then it is almost like debating whether Einstein or Newton was the best scientists in the history of mankind!

To my mind Kanko could not have asked for a better time to prove his worth.

He will be playing with the best the Springboks have on offer at the moment (no second string experimental sides) with the prospect of closing out the most memorable year in Springbok history by recording a win in France and Ireland – two teams that have been the Boks’ hoodoo teams in the recent past when playing away from home.

It is true that Kanko did not enjoy the most memorable of Super 14’s in 2009, but that simply comes down to the inability in my personal view of playing him in a well balanced trio where his strengths can be amplified.

This Friday Kanko will be playing with the best tight 5 in front of him he could hope for, in addition to being partnered in the loose-trio department by one of the best deck players of 2009 and a monster ball carrying Schalk Burger whose work rate around the park is unmatched in modern rugby in my opinion.

This to me will free Kanko up to do what he does best, play a classic 8th man role from the back of the pack and also allow him the freedom to hit the gaps and run in space that the hard working forwards should create for him.

If Kanko fails in the next two tests, he would be hard pressed to blame anyone but himself.

But something tells me however, that the most nervous man in the world come this Friday and two weeks from now against Ireland, would be a certain individual sitting in Pretoria watching from his couch and wondering if he would ever be able to wrestle his jersey away from the man from the Sharks.



131 Comments

  • Newton or Einstein, now that’s a toughie.

    Reckon I’ll go with Einstein.

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.11.09 18:02:56 by McLovin Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 1) :

    Really?

    You think gravity is less important than relativity?

    I reckon without gravity we are relatively f%#^&@ :lol:

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.11.09 18:11:25 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 2) : It’s all relative. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.11.09 18:13:22 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 1) : i would go before those two and say aristotle, he laid the groundwork

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.11.09 18:46:49 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 4) :

    But without Galileo and his groundbreaking work in astronomy would any of those guy actually have had the groundwork to form their theories of relativity and gravity which is directly related to the bodies he studied in the sky?

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.11.09 18:51:29 by Morné Reply
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  • Then again, Archimides obviously had an understanding and appreciation for both relativety and gravity as a mathematician with his ground breaking designs in weaponary and the influence any body has on another in any given space and time they occupied.

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.11.09 18:56:00 by Morné Reply
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  • It’s the guy who put the bubbles in beer that tops them all :twisted:

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.11.09 18:59:25 by Ollie Reply

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  • I should have done a piece on beer and scientists it seems! :twisted:

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.11.09 19:02:05 by Morné Reply
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  • hehehehehe

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.11.09 19:11:27 by Ollie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 8) : misread that one entirely :)

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.11.09 20:34:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • Can someone please confirm how many tests Kanko started for the Boks??

    I don’t think he had enough opportunities to be honest.

    In 2008 he was the top SA 8th man during the S14 and yet Divvy selected Spies and Van Niekerk ahead of him. That imho was just not fair.

    Anyway, I hope the boykie does well tonite!!! :cool:

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.11.09 06:52:29 by wpw Reply
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  • But something tells me however, that the most nervous man in the world come this Friday and two weeks from now against Ireland, would be a certain individual sitting in Pretoria watching from his couch and wondering if he would ever be able to wrestle his jersey away from the man from the Sharks.

    Now THAT bit just gave me goosies!! :grin:

    GO KANKO!!!

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.11.09 08:09:05 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 11) : hey!

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.11.09 08:16:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • Sadly even if Kanko has a blinder of a match he would most propably still not be selected as first choice once Spies is back. Sad but true. I rate both players and they play two very diffrent games. Each brings their own positives to the team. My only concern is that if they play in the wet then that great running ability of Kanko could count for very little compared to the power of Spies. But I do hope that Kanko proves just what he can do given a chance.

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.11.09 08:29:02 by LandShark Reply

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  • I agree. Kanko this is your best chance of showing us what you’re made of…….go Kanko.

    Let’s hope that our forwards(read scrums) can give Kanko decent front foot ball and that the game tonight is played in dry conditions.

    I really hope the REAL(2008) Kanko shows what he is really worth.

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.11.09 08:38:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 15) :

    Add to that the hope of “safe hands”…superglue anyone??

    He makes me SO nervous when he runs with the ball in one hand…not even tucked away, I mean, one thumping tackle like Schalk on Fourie and its a certain lost forward…

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.11.09 08:44:01 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @LandShark (Comment 14) : Agree 100%. If it`s a wet game, Kankow will be largely nullified . . .

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.11.09 08:54:48 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Hopefully he doesn’t get knocked out again :twisted:

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.11.09 08:54:52 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • john smits book looks very interesting,check it on rugby 365

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.11.09 08:57:40 by willa Reply

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  • @willa (Comment 19) :

    My H says he saw it at the airport last week already…is it on the shelves?

    Guess what I am getting for Christmas… :roll: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.11.09 09:02:07 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) :

    sorry!!! :roll:

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.11.09 09:12:17 by wpw Reply
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  • “Extract ” from rugby 365

    Here’s why France will win:

    1. Wayne Barnes: If ever there was a referee who chooses a side to blow for and stick to that decision then it’s mr Barnes. He blows against our physicality, especially at rucks, quite often.
    2. Missing Players: Pierre Spies, Jean de Villiers, Frans Steyn and Juan Smith are all top performers in the Springbok jersey and we’ve come to depend on them. It will be a huge difference with them gone.
    3. Adi Jacobs in midfield. Jean was good at putting pressure on attacking backlines. Adi Jacobs give the opposing team more time and even though he will make the tackle, the opposing team will go forward. We lose some of the pressure that the Springboks are so good at applying.
    4. Kankowski. A good player but not as prevalent in the tight phases as Pierre Spies. This is a 50/50 situation. It’s either going to work out well or work against us.
    5. French Ground: It’s a home game for France. We struggle to beat them there.
    6. Coming in Late: Morne Steyn didn’t have much time to practice his kicking there. We didn’t get time to get used to the conditions.
    7. Hindsight: Our tactics are well known now and France has recent video material to look at all the strengths and weaknesses of our team. From looking at their team, they know exactly where to hit us and how.
    8. Front Row: Our front row has struggled lately. If it isn’t up to scratch today then Barnes is going to blow penalties against us at every scrum. Remember what he did in Australia?
    9. Fatigue: We’ve got a long season behind us. Smit says otherwise but lately it has looked as if some of them are dead tired.
    10. French Flair: If ever there’s a team that can break our defence than this is it.

    France to win by 7 or more.

    These guys are quite negative . . .

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.11.09 09:23:32 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 20) :

    I also want one!! ;-)

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.11.09 09:25:15 by wpw Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 22) :

    Is that Jan de Koning’s view??? :|

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.11.09 09:33:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 22) :

    Did you see the French media said the SA team are Barbarians… :lol:

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.11.09 09:50:51 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • Good article.

    GO RYAN!!!

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.11.09 09:55:27 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 24) : I love it when the media get’s negative :razz:

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.11.09 09:55:37 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 25) : But offcourse… we are there to plunder their villiages and kill all we encounter are we not?:lol:

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.11.09 09:56:03 by LandShark Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 25) : But offcourse… we are there to plunder their villiages and kill all we encounter are we not?:lol:

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.11.09 09:56:03 by LandShark Reply

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  • damn post it twice… finger a bit faster then the PC today

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.11.09 09:57:19 by LandShark Reply

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  • @LandShark (Comment 28) :

    and steal there wifes?? :lol:

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.11.09 10:07:26 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @LandShark (Comment 14) : I agrees. Kanko will have to play super great fantastic all the time or Spies will have to play extremely badly or be injured for a long time for him to have any hope of becoming 1st choice.

    2007 I would have picked Kanko ahead of Spies though.

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.11.09 10:16:25 by McLovin Reply

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  • @LandShark (Comment 29) : my fingers are faster than my brain :)

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.11.09 10:20:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 4) : @Morné (Comment 5) : Like a clever man once said. – ‘Standing on the shoulders of giants’ :cool:

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.11.09 10:21:59 by McLovin Reply

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  • From rugby365…”The French backs may well target Adrian Jacobs in the vulnerable inside centre channel. It’s a good position to have big Maxime Mermoz or Louis Picamoles or, when arrives, Sébastien Chabal charging like wildebeest at the little tourist…” :evil: :roll: :evil:

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.11.09 10:23:17 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 35) : sometimes I wonder whether Adi Jacobs wasn’t caught having a mass shag-fest involving the wife of every single rugby journalist in the country.

    I just can’t think of anything else to explain the vitriol directed against him.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.11.09 10:27:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) :

    :lol:

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.11.09 10:32:05 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 35) : I guess the ‘Adi can’t tackle’ line is one of those untruths that are repeated so often that it generally becomes accepted as fact. :roll:

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.11.09 10:34:41 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : That too… thanks Rob ;-)

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.11.09 10:37:43 by LandShark Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 38) : kinda like Microsoft making user-friendly software

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.11.09 10:47:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : hehehehe.. :twisted:

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.11.09 10:51:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : He generaly proofs them wrong, especialy when the chips are down ;-)

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.11.09 10:52:19 by Charlie Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 38) : It’s a myth :twisted:

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.11.09 10:53:06 by Charlie Reply

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  • Anyway bring it on…I am ready :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.11.09 10:54:12 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) :

    Funniest line of 2009 on the world of blogging!

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.11.09 11:00:06 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 45) : I feel honoured :)

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.11.09 11:20:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • Kanko will step up tonight!! My Favourite Sharks player, symbolises why i support the Sharks, Flair!!!!! Hopefully we see him step circles around the French and we all know he isnt weak either!! Future Prospect of Kanko, Alberts and Deysel in a back 3 is horrifying for any opposition, including mr Brussow i feel… Botes is our weak link !!

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.11.09 13:02:45 by Miguel Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 38) : Yeah…this pisses me off too. It’s simply not true.

    It’s generally people that only watch one or 2 games a season that jump on the bandwagon. One person starts it and then others spread it without actually watching for themselves.

    You can’t have the number of Bok caps that he has and not tackle. He’s not a big guy so doesn’t make the monster tackles but he does his share and is reliable, missing relatively few tackles!

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.11.09 14:47:44 by Villie Reply
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  • Oh…and people say the same thing about Aplon. I tell you what, that guy is GUTSY. Small as he is, he hardly ever misses a tackle. Watch him in 7′s and 15 man and he never shies away.

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 22) : me reckons springboks will take it but expecting rather scrappy afair

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.11.09 16:28:57 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 50) : well, we’re certainly not going to run away with it, that’s for sure

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.11.09 17:17:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • As I have always thought, under pressure Kankowski simply isn’t able to perform (similar to Ruan Pienaar). This game reaffirmed Spies will be Bok number 8 whenever he is fit.

    Also thought Adi Jacobs played well. I just don’t understand why he has so many critics.

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.11.09 23:44:45 by sanjaydeva Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 52) : Sanjay, while we’re talking about players crumbling under pressure, let’s not forget how shit all three of Fourie du Preez, Morne Steyn and Zane Kirchner looked tonight.

    Fact is, I have never seen Ruan Pienaar play a worse game at flyhalf than what Morne Steyn dished up tonight.

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.11.09 23:48:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) : Oh yes i completely agree with you Rob!! Ok Kanko wasnt great but he wasnt part of a team where anyone was, Morne Steyn under pressure sucked, Kirchner SUCKS in general, adi didnt have a good game either no one did, maybe Brussow to an extent.. you rate adi had a good game because he stuck tackles that any bok 12 should?! What did he do that would rank his performance as more then minimum requirement because thats what we got? Ja people im sad to say this but this French side were in control and to me it appeared as if they could take us any day of the weak… we didnt threaten at all!! I would have loved to see deysel in tonights game, and i still maintin Stefan Terreblanche should have been selected before Kirchner!! ai sad

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.11.09 01:21:53 by Miguel Reply
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  • The real Kankowski did stand up last night and he was rubbish! He, Beast, Adi and Kirchner should never have been in the run on 15.

    The Oirish will be licking their Guinness stained lips.

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.11.09 09:33:36 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 52) : Loosehead’s one of them ;-)

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.11.09 11:14:18 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 55) : @sanjaydeva (Comment 52) : The one think I have learnt about rugby is nevere comment in the heat of the moment Looking back yes we were bad-our bad game for the year but was it a train smash No not at all. We played that badly but came within 7 of beating France and playing into a strong wind with 14 men for 20 mins! Individually some performances were rubbish but it was the collective no one stamped his authority on the game. What did concern me was no plan B our kicking game was poor our ball retention was bad but what can you expect when France arrive in numbers and we have 2 or 3 at the breakdown. Beast looked like his mind was elsewhere not that I blame him The scrums only really suffered when we were 14 men playing 7 in the scrum. I also thin Div got it wrong with the late arrival Training in PTA in Spring is a far cry from France on a cold blustery wet night.
    Having said that apart from Scalla who my souces say has popped a rib the side should be the same against Ireland but with a better balanced bench
    and I think its revenge time againt the Irish

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 57) : think not thin

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 58) : You are so right and we are all screaming blue murder at the Boks but this game was lost before we even got onto the park John Smit lost it at the toss, it was a huge factor and if we had won the toss it would have been a different outcome as we would have been able to pressure them a lot more. The other thing we did not say was thet the Froggies played very well and there is the normal finger pointing but they put pressure on our scrum so fourie was not able to protect Steyn as much as he normally is and Kanko was just plain shit. Brussouw did his normal amount of work and IMO is probably the best fetcher in the game, and that includes McCaw. I thought Adi played well, but the lions spat with Fourie did us no favours as he was a bit rusty. Robs favourte center did his normal thing when he came on and never passed when he should have, but hey some things will never change. Lets hope we don’t see panic now among selections although they cant really as there is not much to replace it with, we have had a great year so one loss against a ery good french team should not spoil it a loss to The Irish would, so lets get out their and drill them.

  • Comment 59, posted at 15.11.09 06:23:47 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 59) : the irish are the 6 nations champions… We could be hammered again. Time to change the game plan like we did against the bil.

  • Comment 60, posted at 15.11.09 07:50:30 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 59) : French had a will to win. they kept going at the boks and crushing into them from the minute go, and all of them, loosies, wings, centers. initially i thought that there was no way they could keep up the intensity for entire 80 minutes, but they did.

    it was a sad comparison when looking at jp or habs running and then slowing down in hesitation once they saw french nearby

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  • @Rahul (Comment 60) : :roll: i have some hopes against italy though :mrgreen:

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  • I think it is time for Schalk Burger to be dropped. What he offers to the team heaven alone knows!!! :roll:

  • Comment 63, posted at 16.11.09 06:36:21 by wpw Reply
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  • Hindsight, being the perfect science. I don’t think the man in Pretoria is having too many sleepless nights

  • Comment 64, posted at 16.11.09 08:17:45 by Whindy Reply
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  • Kanko couldn’t hold onto the ball, Schalk was falling off tackles all the time and the tight five where nowhere to be seen…there wasn’t any urgency from the Boks and they looked like a very tired and unmotivated side

  • Comment 65, posted at 16.11.09 08:36:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • The National Anthem was a total disgrace and somebody’s head should roll because of that :evil:

  • Comment 66, posted at 16.11.09 08:39:18 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Miguel (Comment 47) : erm well I had quite a hard time with my so called friends because of Kankow. So much so that I hope he does ” stand up” to board a plane back home. That was an embarrasment . . .
    Come to think of it . . . I should be used to it by now.

  • Comment 67, posted at 16.11.09 10:18:43 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Was Kanko really so crap, the knock on was one thing but to blame him for being turned over when isolated is one eyed and unfair. Everyone admits the French played with superior intensity to the Boks, always had more to the breakdown, hit the rucks harder and yet we all expect Kanko to fend off 2-3 marauding Frenchmen on his own and not turn the ball over – madness. First point a finger at his teammates who made him look the ass he is being made out to be. People also nail him for being sent off, fair enough but had he not transgressed we would in all likeliness have had 5 and possibly 7 points against us.

  • Comment 68, posted at 16.11.09 10:57:27 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 68) :

    There was no support , the players were not protected – so I do not blame Kanko for that. I do blame him for pap-handjies – it was not just one KO…

  • Comment 69, posted at 16.11.09 11:06:10 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 68) : thanks Sammy… but the blue mist has come down and nobody will listen to that argument.

  • Comment 70, posted at 16.11.09 11:20:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 69) :
    No doubt he had more than one knock, he was’nt the only one though and he looked terrible thanks to his teammates but is he deserving of being singled out.

  • Comment 71, posted at 16.11.09 11:49:08 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) :

    Its not as if Spies never had a bad game for the Boks.

  • Comment 72, posted at 16.11.09 11:49:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 71) :
    I suppose hidden in the depths of that blue mist is the performance of Morne Steyn.

  • Comment 73, posted at 16.11.09 11:51:13 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Problem is that Kanko isn’t the first choice and like it or not he only had 1 or 2 chances to prove his worth and support or no support he should have at least tried to hold onto the ball,if he then loses it on the ground because there is no support that would be a different story…

  • Comment 74, posted at 16.11.09 12:13:31 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 74) : i agree with u on that one. the horrific performance of the teammates did not stop brussouw from having a good game.
    no excuses for kanko.

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 74) :
    Id really like to think that he did try to hold on, but how much holding on can you do on your own against 2/3 other guys while being driven backwards.

  • Comment 76, posted at 16.11.09 12:46:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 73) : correct. But Steyn is above reproach and Kanko is kak. That is the way of Blue Bull, I mean South African rugby in this day.

    Makes me sick.

  • Comment 77, posted at 16.11.09 12:48:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 75) : but Brussow wasn’t the ONLY designated ball carrier amongst the forwards. Their roles were completely different and comparing them like that is oversimplifying things way too much.

  • Comment 78, posted at 16.11.09 12:49:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • So are we blaming all the other Boks for Kanko’s knock-ons? :roll:

  • Comment 79, posted at 16.11.09 12:50:18 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 76) : I hear what you saying and agree but he had very rare opportuinity to prove himself and he should have used it better. See rekinek’s comment above

  • Comment 80, posted at 16.11.09 12:50:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 72) : Spies had plenty kak games and in 2007/8 Kanko was cheated from a starting place…..but that was then and it’s history….Kanko should have made more of the opportuinity and didn’t….maybe it would have been easier to shine when the rest of the team is playing kak rugby.

  • Comment 81, posted at 16.11.09 12:52:51 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 79) : Kanko didn’t have a great game, but the blue hordes are making it sound like he lost the game on his own, which is blatantly untrue. Morne Steyn and Fourie du Preez were far more instrumental to the loss than Kanko was.

  • Comment 82, posted at 16.11.09 13:00:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 80) :
    Yes, Brussow was good – in a different role.
    My problem is people grinding Kanko and conveniently forgetting everyone else’s part in making him look so crap.

  • Comment 83, posted at 16.11.09 13:08:36 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) :

    I see that too on other forums…I agree he was not the only bad player – I think we are just dissapointed (from a Sharks perspective) that he did not make a better effort of this. Maybe the pressure to perform was just to much…there the lack of a kop dokter comes in …AGAIN..

  • Comment 84, posted at 16.11.09 13:09:19 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) : Suppose Kanko’s sins just stood out a bit more. I know Steyn kicked a kick or two dead but what did Furry do? :smile:

  • Comment 85, posted at 16.11.09 13:14:20 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 85) : dropped high balls, crap tactical kicking, missed tackles…

  • Comment 86, posted at 16.11.09 13:15:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) : I see. The tactical kicking overall was maar crappy.

    I’m certainly not blaming Kanko (or any specific player for that matter), but also not buying into this ‘the other players made him look bad’ excuse.

  • Comment 87, posted at 16.11.09 13:25:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • One of the most dissapointing player was Schalk…I’ve never seen him being brushed of so many tackles before…..any news on Schalk’s injury?

  • Comment 88, posted at 16.11.09 13:27:09 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Anyway, I blame Naas.

  • Comment 89, posted at 16.11.09 13:28:52 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) : Where did you watch the game btw? I decided to get ESPN for a month or two. As far as the Boks are concerned it’s been a waste of money so far. :twisted:

  • Comment 90, posted at 16.11.09 13:30:56 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 90) : I did likewise. Also regretting it

  • Comment 91, posted at 16.11.09 13:50:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : black & white mist ;-)

    yes, in many respects it may be oversimplifying – especially when you think that brussouw had nothing to prove and kanko was supposed to play out of his skin because it was his chance.

    whatever different roles they had – kanko did not play well.

  • Comment 92, posted at 16.11.09 13:53:21 by rekinek Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 87) : exactly.

  • Comment 93, posted at 16.11.09 13:55:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • BTW – Naas believes Boks were sabotaged by anthem – fiasco

  • Comment 94, posted at 16.11.09 13:56:43 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 94) : That singer reckons he was sabotaged. :lol:

  • Comment 95, posted at 16.11.09 14:06:39 by McLovin Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 92) : no, but neither did 13 other guys

  • Comment 96, posted at 16.11.09 14:15:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 96) : is this an excuse?

  • Comment 97, posted at 16.11.09 14:19:01 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 96) : other 20 guys – i dare say ruan did nothing wrong :mrgreen:

  • Comment 98, posted at 16.11.09 14:21:48 by rekinek Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 87) :
    I obviously expressed myself incorrectly – I did not mean to say the other guys made him look bad on purpose but by not supporting him as they should this happened, in the same way as if the eighthman forcefully backheels the ball to his scrummy, the scrummy looks bad not necessarily the 8th man.

  • Comment 99, posted at 16.11.09 14:37:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 97) : shit, but you’re out for blood today. You sure you’re not a closet Bulls supporter like Klampie? :)

    It’s not an excuse and he deserves criticism, but no more so than any of the other buggers who stuffed up just as much.

  • Comment 100, posted at 16.11.09 14:41:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • I think you guys are being a little too precious about kanko… he was poo full stop. This is not a bulls vs sharks thing. He knocked on almost every ball, didn’t help with securing any ball and generally looked rubbish. I also don’t think he was in a single rolling maul, attacing ones from us and defending theirs.

  • Comment 101, posted at 16.11.09 14:47:38 by molly Reply
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  • And those that say Burger was terrible, cover tackles while running flat out just to reach it are always difficult to make. and in case you all missed it, we were still very competitive until he went off. Suddenly we couldn’t even get out of our half when he was gone. Alot of his work goes unnoticed.

  • Comment 102, posted at 16.11.09 14:49:39 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 101) : @molly (Comment 102) : You tell ‘em. :lol:

  • Comment 103, posted at 16.11.09 14:51:54 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 100) : :mrgreen:

    oohooo Klampie were are you?

    the others deserve criticism as well and sure are getting it. But this is Sharks’ site so I thought it prudent to concentrate on a Shark player – not particularly interested in others :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 104, posted at 16.11.09 14:53:32 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 104) : where :oops:

    my spelling is atrocious today :oops:

  • Comment 105, posted at 16.11.09 14:56:32 by rekinek Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 103) : I’m having a bad day, need to take out my frustrations somewhere ;-)

  • Comment 106, posted at 16.11.09 14:57:38 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 102) :
    I think you are being a little too precious about Burger… he was poo full stop. This is not a province vs sharks thing. He got bumped of almost every tackle, didn’t help with securing any ball and generally looked rubbish.

    My opinion. :razz:

  • Comment 107, posted at 16.11.09 15:02:39 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Fransie Steyn and Furry du Preez have been nominated for the IRB player of the year.

  • Comment 108, posted at 16.11.09 15:09:10 by McLovin Reply

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  • Other nominees are Jamie Heaslip, Matt Giteau, Tom Croft, Brian O’Driscoll & Richie McCaw.

  • Comment 109, posted at 16.11.09 15:10:27 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 107) : But everyone else made him look bad. It’s everyone elses fault. But mostly I blame Steyn.

  • Comment 110, posted at 16.11.09 15:10:33 by molly Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 108) : well done Fransie :razz:

    where is Rob :mrgreen:

  • Comment 111, posted at 16.11.09 15:13:21 by rekinek Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 110) : They should all have been in Schalk’s shadow, ready to take a pass or cover for him. How dare they make him look this bad. :twisted:

  • Comment 112, posted at 16.11.09 15:18:00 by McLovin Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 101) : Totally agree

    Need to it look at it from a BOK viewpoint not Bulls versus Sharks. Comment on the actual performance of the players on the night irrespective of who they play for.

    Unfortunately this has been the story of Kanko’s season. He’s had an awful 2009. He’s just been totally out of form.
    His hands have always been his weakness. When he’s playing well, he can mask this deficiency because of his other skills…but it looks like he is destined to be a suitable for the hard,dry SA grounds and not good on the wetter, slower NH fields!

  • Comment 113, posted at 16.11.09 15:19:23 by Villie Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 110) :
    Did they do it on purpose though?
    BTW, your hero Andries Bekker is starting to catch the eye – for the right reasons.

  • Comment 114, posted at 16.11.09 15:19:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I reckon Furry will get the gong. :cool:

  • Comment 115, posted at 16.11.09 15:20:00 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 112) : Ja, the damn bulls were shocking :twisted:

  • Comment 116, posted at 16.11.09 15:22:37 by molly Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 114) : Bekker is starting to pull his weight a little. Still not hitting rucks or anything, but making tackles and being aggressive. Nice to see.

  • Comment 117, posted at 16.11.09 15:26:07 by molly Reply
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  • The biggest problem the Boks have is the front row and a lack of depth everywhere else other than loose forward.
    Look at our options at lock…..other than Bakkies and Matfield we have NO-ONE else of international class. Please don’t give me Bekker…the oke sucks big time. He is totally out of his depth and does nothing of use on the field.

    The front row has battled most of the season, with the notable exception of the first Lions test. Look at the next 2 Lions tests and the Tri Nations. We have been struggling to hold our own and generally been going backwards on our own ball. What other options do we have? Please don’t give me CJ or Wian Du Preez because neither of these are up to the job.

    Longer term, our best hopes look like being Wikus Blaauw at Wee Pee who has improved with every game and WP Nel at Cheetahs. Heinke VD Merwe is an excellent scrummager but doesn’t offer that much else. However it might be necessary to play him as you will battle to win games if your scrum is in reverse gear all day!

  • Comment 118, posted at 16.11.09 15:26:43 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 113) : Ja, we all had our doubts on kanko starting and now it seems justified. Would you persevere with him for the next game? or bring in someone else?

  • Comment 119, posted at 16.11.09 15:27:55 by molly Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 118) : What about Bekker at lock? World-class. :wink: :razz:

  • Comment 120, posted at 16.11.09 15:29:38 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Villie (Comment 118) : Bekkers ok, he’s no Bakkies, but he is in Marfields mould.
    Why don’t you rate Wian? He was flippin good in the Currie. I’m not gonna get excited about Blaauw until he performs at the S14.

  • Comment 121, posted at 16.11.09 15:31:09 by molly Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 118) :

    Nothing wrong with Bekker imho.

    It’s the other players who make him look bad!! :twisted:

  • Comment 122, posted at 16.11.09 15:34:27 by wpw Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 121) : I don’t rate the CC props that’s the problem. He did well against average players but wasn’t impressive in the Super 14 or against the British Lions.
    Admittedly, he did seem to play a lot better after OS got involved with the Cheetahs coaching so maybe it was just a technical thing. I’ve been concerned about our prop’s technique for a long time. Not sure they get coached all that well.

  • Comment 123, posted at 16.11.09 15:42:02 by Villie Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 119) : I would like to see how Ashley Johnson goes against Sarries. He was the standout Bok player against Leicester.

    At this stage, I think either him or Danie Rossouw may be a better bet. Rossouw was used very successfully at 8 by Jake White in NH conditions. Just look at his form in the WC too.

  • Comment 124, posted at 16.11.09 15:44:05 by Villie Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 121) : Yep Super 14 should be the benchmark and not CC.

    It’s a step up from CC level….especially in specialist positions like front row.

    The problem we have in SA is that if a guy has one good Super 14 or CC season then everyone is screaming for him to be selected for the Boks. Then when he is and has a bad game, those same people are screaming he’s not good enough.

    I like to see someone perform consistently over a period of time and then get his chance, as Heinrich Brussow has done.

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  • @McLovin (Comment 120) : No comment. Not in my eyes ;)

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  • @rekinek (Comment 111) : still in shock

  • Comment 127, posted at 16.11.09 16:09:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hmmmm – should I even bother with an article?

    Have to say that Kanko was appaling – more dropped balls than a class full of 13 year-olds.

  • Comment 128, posted at 16.11.09 17:02:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 128) : yes – need to pay the rent :)

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  • @robdylan (Comment 129) :
    It shall be done.

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 130) : you are my hero

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