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Two more youngsters gone


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 19 Nov 2009 at 19:14
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The Pumas would appear to have signed Sharks under 21 captain, Tian Meyer.

Meyer, who’s equally comfortable at scrumhalf and flyhalf will look to make his Currie Cup premier league debut for the Witbank side later this year. His loss, I’m sure, will be keenly felt, given that the Sharks have now let Len Olivier and Monty Dumond leave as well. This leaves Juan Hernandez and a seriously unwilling Ruan Pienaar as the only Super 14 flyhalves in the squad, with Guy Cronjé as their backup. Remember that Meyer’s understudy, Dauw Steyn, has also left and will play for the Leopards in 2010.

Goodness alone knows who the Sharks will now pick at flyhalf in the Currie Cup. Let’s just hope that Dumond does indeed come back to steady the ship.

Another youngster, George Tossell, looks set to make the move to the Pumas as well. Tossell is a seriously big centre – well in excess of 100kgs with a huge boot and he scored a number of pretty good tries for the juniors this season. When added to the list of promising youngsters and fringe players that have been allowed to just wander off in the last two seasons, it’s hardly surprising that the Sharks never seem to have any depth to call on when needed.

Pathetic.



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  • IMO, if the Sharks stop recruiting foreigners, then maybe the young ones will stay. The young okes drops down the pecking order everytime someone is recruited from the outside, i wouldve done exactly the same, leave the Sharks, that is.

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.11.09 06:42:05 by JarsonX Reply
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  • I will always support the Sharks, but im losing my patience and sympathy with them.

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.11.09 06:46:35 by JarsonX Reply
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  • I wonder if the Sharks made an offer to JL Potgieter before he decided to return to the Bulls :roll:

    He would have been a great option to have on the bench and could cover either 10 or 12.

    15-Oupa Stefan
    14-Odwa/Mvovo
    13-Adi/Waylon
    12-Potgieter/Swannie
    11-JPP
    10-Hernandez
    9-Ruan/Rory

    That is a decent backline if you ask me!! :shock:

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.11.09 07:03:36 by wpw Reply
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  • Boy alot of our young players are making their way to diffrent teams. Sooner or later injuries will hit us and then we will be in world of trouble. What exactly is going on at the Shark camp? Are they perhaps holding out on us on new signings to replace these guys? I see a very hard 2010 ahead of us if we don’t get some good news soon.

    Come on give us some good news.

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.11.09 08:08:59 by LandShark Reply

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  • Tian Meyer is a good player, I hope we dont feel his loss too badly. Tossel I dont know, other than that he is huge, havent seen too much of him.

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.11.09 08:22:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • On the other hand.
    Considering that every year there will be a majority of u21 players graduating out of thet team and not being eligable for the following years team. Are the Sharks expected to give them contracts just because they may be needed in the following year. In the mean time what are they meant to do. Its a nice thought to want to keep everyone but financially and practically impossible.
    Lets be honest, if we contracted Meyer / Tossel and they were never needed in the whole of next year, would any one of us even been aware of them and be upset that they did not get game time or would we be nailing the Sharks for contracting players, who dont get game time, thereby locking up funds that could be used to buy Earl Rose.(specially for wpw).

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.11.09 08:34:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 6) :

    Come on! Admit it… You LOVE Earl ‘Tiger’ Rose :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.11.09 08:46:31 by wpw Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 2) : That is exactly how I am feeling! There are times that I feel like Rob yesterday when he said he wished he could find it in himself to be a part time Sharks supporter! Although they make me happy more times than not, at times I could just throttle the coaches and players. Didn’t they learn from last year’s depth issues and what it cost us? Not to mention that just about every team in SA, OZ and NZ know who is in their squad, the Sharks fans only know who is leaving :evil:

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.11.09 08:47:34 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Morning All,

    i just don’t like an idea of having hernandez in the team. hope to be proven wrong though.

    it looks to me that de Villiers is determined to use ruan as 10 so I do not think ruan and plumtree should go against it.

    plus I would like to see guy cronje in S14 games.

    anyway – that’s such a serious topic for friday :-)

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.11.09 08:53:04 by rekinek Reply
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  • Happy Happy Happy to Cape Shark :razz:

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.11.09 08:53:44 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 9) : But Cronje was Terrible in the one match in CC and average in the other against Boland of all teams, would he cope at S14 level against FH like Carter and Gitteau, when he couldn’t cope with Grant?

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.11.09 08:54:44 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 7) :
    I enjoy Earl Rose at least 3 times a year, when contributing to pissing on Provinces parade of making the playoffs or even ending on top of the log.

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.11.09 08:58:28 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • And now I wait for you to tell me I hate Province, which is not true. ;-)

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.11.09 08:59:42 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 11) : i didn’t think he was that bad. methinks he would do better and better given some chance

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.11.09 09:00:41 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 12) : earl’s been playing well for the last 2 months :mrgreen:

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.11.09 09:01:27 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 6) : Earl Rose… but he does play for the Sharks. Well every time we play against the Lions it seems like he is playing for us.

    But you have a point… I suppose you can’t hand out contracts to every young player coming thru the ranks.

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.11.09 09:06:00 by LandShark Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 14) : I agree but with another season of CC under his belt. He only played two games in the CC, one where he was terrible and another when he was ok, it would be unfair really to stick him straight into S14! And even if we have Ruan at 10 we have to think of possible injuries, look at what happened last year when Ruan was injured. But my worries are more at centre, is Waylong coming going, staying? Are we going to be stuck with Andries as an option, which really gives me the night mares :(

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.11.09 09:06:58 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 11) :
    Applying the same argument, do you think Meyer would cope in the S14 in those same conditions when he hasnt played any senior rugby at all.

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.11.09 09:07:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 15) : Shows when a coach shows faith in you and helps you with your confidence. Rose is a bit like Frans, he has that X factor that will win you a match but can just as easily lose you the match! Remember how we used to cry over Frans’ brain explosions? :)

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.11.09 09:08:58 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 18) : Never! Didn’t suggest he should be started in S14 :shock: just it seems we are losing all our depth, without knowing who is there to play at S14.

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.11.09 09:15:10 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 1) : When you look at the way the things are in the sharks biether of these would have gotten any game time anyway. best they could have hoped for would have been bench time in the vodacom cup so why not let them go and get experience and then in 12-18 months from now they can slot into the side-i believe they are on the same loan basis that Thabo Mamojelo is on at the leopards.
    So they will play vodacom cup with the Pumas Some of the U21 squad will move to get game time but the majority will stay and be vodacom cup side and a few will play S14-Cronje brothers and some props amd maybe a lock or 2

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.11.09 09:21:09 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 20) : What I am trying to say is we seem to be losing a lot of players without replacing them, which will leave us with a continuous depth problem at the Sharks.

    This year we may have last:
    Monty
    Waylon
    Len
    Skipper (ok no great loss)
    Those other two youngsters that went to the Leapards and Bulls
    And another 2 that went to the Lions
    Sorry terrible with names
    Who have we got coming:

    Maybe Alberts and Ludick and ?

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.11.09 09:25:21 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 21) : Now that sounds better!!!!

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.11.09 09:26:50 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 21) :
    If they are on a loan basis then I really think everyone wins.

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.11.09 09:42:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Rob: “Pathetic.”

    How long have we been talking about getting rid of dead wood in the team. There must be a seriously big wage bill and is it really necessary to keep on the Skippers, Lens, and some of the youngsters who aren’t first choice players at age group level?

    I think you are being unnecessarily harsh here.

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.11.09 09:42:51 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 10) : i just don’t like an idea of having hernandez in the team. hope to be proven wrong though – People might have said the same about Freddie (and did), and he was certainly instrumental (one of many) in us winning the Currie Cup last year.

    If we win the S14 next year with Hernandez at 10, will you still have the same feelings about him?

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.11.09 09:45:32 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 22) : maybe it’s good – we have sooooo maaany of them and so few get the game time that counts.

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.11.09 09:46:20 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 13) :

    Well it depends if hatred and bitterness is the same thing!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.11.09 09:48:07 by wpw Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 22) : “Sorry terrible with names” – is that because they weren’t playing?

    I can’t believe how negative people are about us getting shod or loaning out players who are NOT going to play for the Sharks next year.

    When Honiball, Teichmann, Andrews, Atherton, Allan, Joubert, etc were playing, how many flyhalves, eighthmen, locks, hookers and fullbacks were coming through the system?

    That was part of the problem admittedly after 1999, but in saying that, there was absolutely no succession plan in place while if you look at every position in the Sharks, they are not that bad off.

    There is loads of talent coming through the system (CC this year showed that) and there are good, solid purchases that have not been confirmed, but are pretty much expected (Luddick, Alberts), so we don’t have a situation owhere there is a need to buy the Braam Immelmans, Jacques Schuttes, Tsepo Kokoalis, Callie Wannenburgs and Werner Cronje’s of this world and hope they save the sharks bacon.

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.11.09 09:51:55 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 26) : if we win the Super 14 next year, I will personally kiss any part of your anatomy you care to nominate

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.11.09 10:10:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 25) : Baldie, this is not about dead wood. Skipper Badenshorst has been dead wood for 5 years and he’s only now being let go. This is about talented youngsters leaving because we seemingly can’t be bothered to develop them further. It’s like the we the Academy just so we can “check a box” but there doesn’t seem to be any real succession plan in place. I’m not naive enough to think that we can offer every player a contract, but faced with a position like our current one, when we have NO real depth at flyhalf and have just offloaded two seniors to boot, the last thing we should be doing is getting rid of quality youngsters in that position. Everyone who has ever played with or coached Mayer reckons he’s the real deal and he has leadership potential to boot.

    This is a failure, pure and simple and it’s compounded by the Sharks’ insistence on treating their fans like mindless chattels who are expected to just rock up and fork out every week without even the benefit of being kept informed about personnel changes.

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.11.09 10:14:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : :shock: :lol:

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.11.09 10:14:40 by wpw Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 29) : and if anything, the CC showed us that far from being “loads of talent”, if anything there is more like “no talent” at flyhalf and centre. Sharksmad keeps on about Andries Strauss, but she has a valid point. If we’re so determined to get rid of dead wood, howcome he hasn’t left yet? I’m sure we’d all prefer to see a promising youngster, whether Tossell or someone else, given a run in his place.

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.11.09 10:16:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 32) : same offer applies to you if the Stormers even make the final.

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.11.09 10:17:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 29) : I agree with you about the talent coming through, but are we retaining it? What worries me is another 2009, where our 1st choice FH is injured and we don’t even make the Semis after we were top of the log for the first half of the comp. and then had to buy one from France/Argentina as an emergency after a miserable game in CT! Centres once Riaan got injured and Adi was with the Boks, our centres were Shite with Strauss having 2 useful games. So yes maybe I am being negative etc. but I whant the Sharks to win, and do not whant to hear the same excuses of “we didn’t have depth in key positions” that we were loaded with this year.

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.11.09 10:18:33 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : Hallelujah, Rob you and I are on the same page. Of course you put it better then I in post 35!

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.11.09 10:23:26 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • 1st ODI against Eng today. :cool:

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.11.09 10:37:02 by McLovin Reply

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  • The problem with the Sharks is similar to that of WP.

    Their system simply does not allow for youngsters to come through the ranks where they rather concentrate on contracting seasoned campaigners to fill voids than expose youngsters.

    This will always have a negative effect when you are hit by injuries.

    It is called investing in the future.

    Sharks, like WP Rugby are more interested in short term goals.

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.11.09 10:37:43 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 38) : hate to say it, but the Bulls are the trendsetters when it comes to their youth policy.

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.11.09 10:47:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 38) : That is what I am afraid of!

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.11.09 10:50:32 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 21) : But the guys never come back back form these loan spells. Mamojele is now with the Leopards permanently, I believe. Others who went off to EP (Potgieter and Whiteley) have also been released. Being sent out on loan is Strooli’s way of letting you down easy.

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.11.09 10:51:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : just remember you’re kinda prophet :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.11.09 10:51:36 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) :

    Yes they are, and it is a blue print available to everyone.

    Problem is, unions need to back coaches which is what the Bulls did under Heyneke, through some pretty ordinary years they stood by him and it paid off where he was allowed to work and establish structures.

    WP and the Sharks are only interested in immediate success and results, which forces a coach to buy the best rather than developing players to become the best.

    When we refer to a culture at a team it is not only what happens off the field, but also how the union plays. The Bulls U19, 21′s and seniors (Vodacom Cup, CC and S14) play the same style of rugby throughout, thus it is easy for players to slot into higher levels.

    Sharks and WP struggle because their superstars they buy take time to slot into the new ‘culture’.

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.11.09 10:53:40 by Morné Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 37) :
    Will in all likelyhood be rained out / start late / be curtailed / end up with us losing by 1 run via the DLM.

    Apparently big rain in Jhb yesterday.

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.11.09 10:54:31 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 44) : Hope not.

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.11.09 10:57:19 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 44) : yip.

    it’s coming down since yesterday. it’s cold, misearble – and I thought I wasin Africa :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.11.09 10:58:49 by rekinek Reply
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  • It is cooking in CPT, no wind, 30 odd degrees and the ocean is one big mirror.

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.11.09 10:59:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 42) : I’ll quite happily make good on that one of the Sharks win!

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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) : just remember to let us know time, date and place and a photographer will be dispatched.

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 35) : I don’t think Hernandez was a quick fix idea, but we did lack depth in key positions in the S14 this year.

    I don’t blame our CC failure on depth, more on player fatigue, loss of form, individuality.

    In the S14, we lost Deysel and Pienaar, two vital players for us.

    We had no quality, proven back-up for them, wings were ordinary, Kanko was playing poorly because he had no-one pushing him.

    In 2010, Alberts will fit in perfectly with Kanko, Deysel, Keegan and Botes, all pushing each other, complimenting each other, and backing up each other. Pienaar and Hernandez at 10. Mvovo back-up on the wing (who did we have in 2009) and Ludick back-up for Stef.

    Bissy, Burden and if necessary, Smit at hooker – all 3 quality players.

    It’s all well and good to have junior depth, but when untested and at S14 level, there are many that might not be able to step up yet.

    Stef is out next year preumably. Ludick steps up. Lambie is promoted. That’s the perfect scenario as far as I am concerned. You don’t want a hoard of 21 year olds if it can be avoided.

    Anyway, this is the professional era.

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.11.09 11:04:53 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 43) : Morning all!
    :shock: Seems like we are now a Sharks Bashing and no longer a Sharks Fan blog!

    Glad most of you guys don’t run the Sharks ;-)

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.11.09 11:05:05 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • hello! :lol:

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.11.09 11:05:24 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) :
    I think if they suddenly started shinning with their new provinces then the Sharks would have them back in a flash, I just dont know who or how they get monitored.

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.11.09 11:06:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Johnny Depp is 46!!! :shock:

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.11.09 11:06:55 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : OK, but last year, the Bulls Under 21s beat Free State with a score in the last minute, they should have lost. Sharks Under 19s won the tournament.

    This year, Bulls didn’t make the U21 final, nor did the under 19s.

    What successful youth policy are you referring to?

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.11.09 11:09:11 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 51) :
    I find it very hard to bash the Sharks, hell I even stood up for Kanko after last Saturday, that was not easy and I had to clutch at straws.

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.11.09 11:13:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 43) : I agree. What`s the use of investing in an overseas “star” and then surrounding him with plonkers like Ruan Pienaar and Andries Strauss? ” One Swallow a summer doesn`t make” LOL
    The sharks have their backs to the wall. This year FS and WP overtook them.
    Next year the Lions have Dick Muir, they might overtake the sharks as well.
    And hey if the Sharks aren`t interested in hanging on to the under 21 stars, maybe DM should make Lambie an offer, move Earl to flyhalve . . . options options . . .
    I wonder if Waylon is now definately going to Lions. Can`t blame him of course, being kept out of the team by Strauss and then blamed for being out of form after not getting any game time . . .

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.11.09 11:18:30 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 56) :

    :lol:

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.11.09 11:19:58 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 56) : You are innocent ;-)

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.11.09 11:20:30 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 52) : Hi!!

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.11.09 11:21:07 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 57) : :roll: :roll: :roll: Here we go again :roll:
    Who do you like :?:

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.11.09 11:22:43 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 56) : I understand exactly how you feel. After supporting the Sharks for so long it is difficult to admit they`re crap. But it`s time to face the facts.
    Yes we had one great season last year, but nothing else.
    We can only defend guys who make obvious mistakes for so long, some time we have to face the facts or you`re just gonna look like a fool if you keep on defending them.
    At times like these it would`ve been better to live in KZN, at least most people would stop talking about them LOL

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.11.09 11:23:04 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 60) :

    Hi!!

    @Original Pierre (Comment 62) :

    Well then I need to go and change my name to Fool Ice-Icle..

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.11.09 11:27:21 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • Rob

    Was it Dick Muir who promoted youngsters like JP, Waylon, Beast, Frans to get opportunities in the first team??

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.11.09 11:31:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 61) : I like Hernandez of course, but give him a scumhalf like Mcleod ( spelling?? ) who can give him a nice clean pass. Not Ruan who doesn`t want to be there in the first place, then stands around gesturing so the defense gets time to organise themself, then either breaks himself or gives a wayward pass to the opposition or a slow pass so that whoever gets the ball is under so much pressure he is made to look bad.
    Swanepoel is fine in midfield, but not alongside Strauss who just bash forward and spill the ball, he needed Murray with him. Our back three is solid enough.
    Then there`s the forwards. It is clear without Deysel our forwards amount to nothing. Look at the last few games of the cc for proof.
    Muller is another problem. 100% losing record in the curry cup if I`m not mistaken. He did nothing for us.
    Hopefully with Alberts there we`ll have some more grunt up front.
    Ian Mac said : You need a solid tighthead ( which we haven`t got just look at the boks performance ) a Lock to hit the rucks hard and command respect ( like Mark Andrews and Johan Ackerman, since then we had no one), a flyhalve and fullback to get you out of trouble and on the attack, like Steyn.
    We need a reliable goal kicker. Terblanche can`t do it. Maybe Hernandez can I don`t know yet. But out of ” national duty” we had to select Ruan for this purpose and that was our downfall this year right there.
    I don`t think Monty Dumond is a better flyhalf then Hernandez, but the sharks managed to edge out the Bulls with him and Charl. . . That says something . . .

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.11.09 11:36:48 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 65) :

    Is that You Morne (under a new alias)?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 66, posted at 20.11.09 11:48:32 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 54) : and what’s wrong with that?

  • Comment 67, posted at 20.11.09 11:48:52 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 67) :

    Nothing! He looks flippin amazing!! I wouls never have thought him to be in his 40′s..

  • Comment 68, posted at 20.11.09 11:54:23 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 65) : it started when ruan got injured :lol:

  • Comment 69, posted at 20.11.09 11:55:11 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 65) : You really DO have it in for Ruan….
    don’t think your criticism is valid………….you are only looking at the last couple of games….. and not at the whole picture…injuries ( & not only Wolla’s) had a lot to do with our poor performances in the later stages of the CC & S14, if I am not mistaken…..moan about a perceived lack of depth, if you must moan…but leave individual players out of it!
    This is one of the reasons Frans Steyn left SA.

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.11.09 11:55:24 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 69) : You tell him!!! :grin:

  • Comment 71, posted at 20.11.09 11:56:50 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 63) : was dit jou poppie in die koerant

  • Comment 72, posted at 20.11.09 11:57:29 by willa Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 64) : yes, but I’m not sure if you’ve been following… Dick is not with the Sharks anymore :)

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.11.09 12:02:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @willa (Comment 72) :

    Watter koerant? Die Krugersdorp Nuus? :shock:

    You missing out on Golf?? :twisted:

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.11.09 12:07:21 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @willa (Comment 72) :

    The modelling comp?? I did not know it was in teh paper – and my paper got soaked in the rain!! :???: Still in my postbox.. :x

    @robdylan (Comment 73) :

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 20.11.09 12:08:57 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • As they say, you can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people allof the time.

    “Don’t play youngsters because they’re unproven”
    “Get rid of the dead wood”
    “Buy some decent players”
    “Stop buying in players and use home grown talent”
    “This player is too old”
    “This old player is playing the best rugby of his career”

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t!

  • Comment 76, posted at 20.11.09 12:09:29 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 65) :
    By the same token, Strauss played in 14 games, won 12. Maybe he should have played in the semi when we lost?????

  • Comment 77, posted at 20.11.09 12:11:08 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 76) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 78, posted at 20.11.09 12:11:24 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 77) : another :mrgreen:

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.11.09 12:16:12 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 70) : Guys you can say what you want, and yes maybe I`m overly critical of Ruan, just because I see him do this and compare him to other scrumhalfs. He`s not Fourie du Preez I get that.
    Fact is, it`s one thing to be outplayed by wp, quite another when it`s FS who operates with half our budget.
    We didn`t have the support ( In a Semi Final !!!??? ), we gave FS all the possession and when we didn`t kick it to them Brussow just took it.
    We might as well admit it, the sharks aren`t that bad at all. But they need to think on the field as well.

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.11.09 12:19:56 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 70) : Do you remember the sharks blog where he was harrassed and called all kinds of names? Then he leaves and everyone blames the sharks for mistreating him. Suddenly, he’s a hero.

  • Comment 81, posted at 20.11.09 12:25:06 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 73) :

    Lag maar lekker.

    After next year’s S14 you gonna kiss my crack!! :twisted:

  • Comment 82, posted at 20.11.09 12:28:48 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 82) :

    Thanks a Million!! Now I have to walk with that vision for the rest of the day!! :???:

    ;-)

  • Comment 83, posted at 20.11.09 12:32:02 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 81) : Yes I do. It was shameful BUT I do not blame the Sharks Fans alone…there was alot of s&*t thrown at him by “other” fans and also he was messed around….having to play anywhere in the backline for Boks as well…all because “he’s got sooo much talent”…the same excuse used for messing around with Ruan……seem to remember the simular words spoken abour Brent Russell, and we all know what happened to him.

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.11.09 12:32:44 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • While people are slagging off about recruiting foreigners at the expense of keeping the youngsters @JarsonX (Comment 1) : think about this – if the youngsters were so good, they’d play. Frans proved to be world class in his first year out of school, which is uncommon, but showed it worked.

    Similarly, Barrit, JP, Waylon, Beast and a few others came through the age group level and internal system to play for the sharks at the expense of some overseas import.

    So who exactly is better than hernadez in the age group level?

  • Comment 85, posted at 20.11.09 12:33:04 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 83) : I don’t have a bad image of that…isn’t :???: his ass is on toilet paper :?:

  • Comment 86, posted at 20.11.09 12:35:25 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 62) :
    Do the names Cliffie Brown, Tim Cocks, Sarel Erwee, Ronnie Haarhof, Wally Watt, Andre Botha, Mort Mortasagne ring any bells for you.

  • Comment 87, posted at 20.11.09 12:36:20 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 85) : who’s going to take over from Hernandez when he leaves? There’s nobody left for him to rub off on!

  • Comment 88, posted at 20.11.09 12:45:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 75) : ja daar was n foto n girl wat n modeling comp gewen het in die kdp nuus

  • Comment 89, posted at 20.11.09 12:46:51 by willa Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) : Meyer couldn’t gain a starting berth in the U21s until Cronje got injured, so he wasn’t first choice flyhalf, plus, was predominently a 9 picked at 10 becasue fo his versatility (and we all know this story only too well – jack of all trades, master of none).

    I don’t have all the answers, but some of the questions and statements above are perplexing given what fans have said in the past.

    Like I said above, you can’t please all the people all the time….

  • Comment 90, posted at 20.11.09 12:50:16 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @willa (Comment 89) :

    Sal gaa loer of dit sy is – thanks!!

  • Comment 91, posted at 20.11.09 12:55:43 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) :

    So when am I to become a senior member?? :grin:

  • Comment 92, posted at 20.11.09 12:57:04 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 90) : Baldy, you know I get where you’re coming from and you know I like to play devil’s advocate too. But let’s look at this at face value… all we’ve had out of Plumtree the whole year is excuses about why we couldn’t win any of the games that actually counted.

  • Comment 93, posted at 20.11.09 13:00:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 92) : I’ll talk you through it next week, ok? A little bit busy today

  • Comment 94, posted at 20.11.09 13:03:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : And it burns my ass as well, but someone slags off Muller because his captaincy success rate in the CC was poor, forgetting he captained the 2008 CC winning team.
    Or Frans is kak one day and then blame the Sharks the next for letting him go.
    Then for people to complain that we are not retaining local talent at the expense of world class players is short-sighted to the extreme when the lcoal boys have not yet stuck their hands up yet.

    Did people complain when Honiball, Teich, Jouba etc were winning trophies for the SHarks, but at the expense of local talent.

  • Comment 95, posted at 20.11.09 13:04:31 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 95) : you know I’ll never complain about letting Frans go. He was poisonous to the team dynamic. And my problem with Muller this season has been his play, more than his captaincy.

  • Comment 96, posted at 20.11.09 13:08:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 95) : Honiball, Teich and Jouba were all Natalians :evil: All I whant is for the Sharks to come out and state: These are the guys that are leaving but these are coming in and this is your squad for 2010. That way we can all just relax and take up a hobby up until 13 Feb 2010.

  • Comment 97, posted at 20.11.09 13:10:40 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) :

    Sure – no prob!

  • Comment 98, posted at 20.11.09 13:13:38 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 96) :

    BTW – I have some skinner news… :wink:

  • Comment 99, posted at 20.11.09 13:14:31 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 95) : another thing to bear in mind, though, is that 2008 is ancient history already. Sure, we did well, but we’ve quite spectacularly failed to build on that win.

  • Comment 100, posted at 20.11.09 13:16:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 99) : re RF? :)

  • Comment 101, posted at 20.11.09 13:17:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 83) :

    You welcome skattie.

    Btw, I’m not available in case you were wondering!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 102, posted at 20.11.09 13:21:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 99) : Oh please share :|

  • Comment 103, posted at 20.11.09 13:22:06 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 97) : :lol:
    @robdylan (Comment 96) : being injured and then brought back too soon, that was a major problem for him…..why, oh why, don’t they give the guys TIME to recover from serious injuries…same with Bismarck….broken bone and popped ribs ARE serious, in my book…have been through both AND a very bad hammy strain…..so I think I know what I’m talking about….there were no miracle cures then and are none now, either….time is the best healer!!

  • Comment 104, posted at 20.11.09 13:28:04 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 101) :
    Robbie Fowler, you have been on mud Isle for too long, lets get back to rugby.

  • Comment 105, posted at 20.11.09 13:34:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Lekker nosy bunch!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 106, posted at 20.11.09 13:36:29 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 104) : Agree with you 100% My argument is not against the players but against Management for:
    1. Not building depth – the reason Muller was forced to play with his injury is because there was no adequate cover at lock. The props were no fault of the Sharks so many injured. Same with Riaan and more: Who replaces Deysel? Keegan is good but again not as physical in the pack – I still believe he would make an excellent centre :oops: he is fast, breacks tackles – anyway I digress.

    2. Probably my biggest gripe is that while other team’s management are informing their teams of new acquisitions and departures, the Sharks management are choosing to treat us like Mushrooms. (Kept in the dark and fed sht).

  • Comment 107, posted at 20.11.09 13:40:26 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 101) :

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Comment 108, posted at 20.11.09 13:41:14 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 106) : I admit very nosy! Aggggggggggg Pleeeeeeeease :mrgreen:

  • Comment 109, posted at 20.11.09 13:43:05 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 105) :

    Robbie Fowler IS a LEGEND!! :twisted:

    The Legend!!

  • Comment 110, posted at 20.11.09 13:45:42 by wpw Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 107) : I agree about Management & Admin to a certain extent BUT we did very well during the time Muller was injured, did we not??? Jean,Keegan,Albert,Alaister,Craig…all step up when aked…so why rush the injured Muller back…Stef was doing really well as Capt. I just think Plummers etc started to panic, (same reason they played Bizzie in semi)….panicking again and then that terrible statement before the semi …about “this could be our final etc” soooooo negative…showed their state of mind….

  • Comment 111, posted at 20.11.09 13:50:33 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 110) : a snorting legend!!! ;-)

  • Comment 112, posted at 20.11.09 13:51:16 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • it took me 2 hours to figure out how to switch my touchpad back on

  • Comment 113, posted at 20.11.09 13:52:57 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 110) :
    I was waiting for that. ;-)

  • Comment 114, posted at 20.11.09 13:54:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 111) : Agreed! In my honest opinion I believe that they should never have played the SB! However, I am sure that Alistair was also only just coming back from injury and Craig as well was rushed back on the bench when he had suffered an injury in the Leapards/Lions match, so he would have also been dicy to have started, yep Plumtree did panic.

  • Comment 115, posted at 20.11.09 13:55:42 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 111) : I don’t see that as Plum being negative, so many supporters just expected the Sharks to win the semi, I’m sure that attitude was rubbing off on the team, and he needed to make the point that the final is meaningless if we lost to the Cheetahs. He was dead on right, not negative, at that time, we needed to be brought back down a bit.

    I honestly can not believe how negative some are right now, we had the best record in the CC, and lost one game, albeit a very important one in the semi. The only team to beat us otherwise was the Stormers. And let’s also not forget that we only lost the game to the Cheetahs by one single kick, the game could have so easily ended differently, and then what would we be saying.

  • Comment 116, posted at 20.11.09 14:03:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Muller was injured in the first game of the CC, and never fully recovered. He was never 100%, so to say he is done is just ridiculous. He was CC winning captain a year ago. Give the guy a break, and let him get healthy and then prove what he can still do.

    And to Pierre, how buggered around has Ruan been for the last year. He has no idea which way is up anymore. Your criticism of him is unfair and unfounded.

  • Comment 117, posted at 20.11.09 14:05:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 117) : Too true! Like many in the Semi he was rushed back and then told he was kak.

  • Comment 118, posted at 20.11.09 14:13:50 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 118) : I’m not ready to retire Muller quite yet. He still has lots of rugby left in him. With Sykes cementing himself as the 4 lock, hopefully Hargreaves can now make the step up and be ready to fill Muller’s shoes when he does retire.

  • Comment 119, posted at 20.11.09 14:18:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 119) : Must say from all reports on the Saracens game, which unfortunately I missed, Hargreaves aquitted himself extremely well, which is a good sign for the Sharks. I agree on Muller, if we were to go on form from end of cc then Adi, Kanko and quite a few others must also be given the boot.

  • Comment 120, posted at 20.11.09 14:24:37 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 120) : Not a single one of the Springboks came back to the Sharks in good form. Ruan was messed around, the front row was simply knackered, JPP was coming back from injury (like Muller who also went on tour with the Boks), Adi has been off the boil all year, and Kanko has been up and down. Don’t forget that Kanko had one of his very best games in the CC this year. Kanko is just very poor behind a retreating pack. Our depth carried us through the CC this year, so I don’t understand all this complaining about lack of depth. Let’s face it, SA has a depth problem at 10, there is not an international quality 10 other than Steyn and Pienaar.

  • Comment 121, posted at 20.11.09 14:29:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Not fair to blame the Sharks for no depth at 10 when most teams in SA are struggling to find a first choice 10.

  • Comment 122, posted at 20.11.09 14:30:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 121) : You are probably right DB in respect to most positions especially if Alberts and Ludick come. Where I am very worried about is at Centre and Flyhalf, which is basically the backline. We are very short in that department, especially if Waylon leaves, that leaves Adi, Riaan and Strauss? what if Riaan or Adi get injured? then what? Vulindlu maybe, but then they need to play him there regularly from the start.

  • Comment 123, posted at 20.11.09 14:34:45 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 111) : an old truth – do not play injured players – works all the time :roll:

  • Comment 124, posted at 20.11.09 14:37:32 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 112) :

    Go have a look at comment #110 again!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 125, posted at 20.11.09 14:41:49 by wpw Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 123) : I agree, we need Waylon to stay.

  • Comment 126, posted at 20.11.09 14:45:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 125) : TGHMEA is not happy about that! Besides, you know Robbie Fleck is the only legend! Oh, and Earl Rose sucks! :wink:

  • Comment 127, posted at 20.11.09 14:47:52 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • A horse may run quickly but it cannot escape its tail.

  • Comment 128, posted at 20.11.09 14:51:36 by McLovin Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 110) : Macca was a legend. Whatever happened to him?

  • Comment 129, posted at 20.11.09 14:54:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 128) : Depends if you cut its tail off or not.

  • Comment 130, posted at 20.11.09 14:56:20 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 116) : Plummers remark was also aimed at getting spectators to the game to give the lads a lift…but it backfired…..the remark was interpreted as being negative…if they wanted the fans there in numbers, they should have reduced the cost of the tickets..in the current econo. climate, a lot of us had to to choose, one or the other …could not afford both…so we were accussed of not getting to the stadium to support the lads!
    Bad management all round, I’m afraid! :|
    @Dancing Bear (Comment 121) : Don’t forget…Kanko also got no game time while he was with the Boks…that is also very bad for a player…also think Odwa was in the same position.
    @Dancing Bear (Comment 117) : I agree and agree again…..hate fans who are so over critical of the players

  • Comment 131, posted at 20.11.09 14:57:58 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 125) : That pic has only now been downloaded onto my blog….got good virus protection :razz:

  • Comment 132, posted at 20.11.09 15:00:08 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • Froth is not beer.

  • Comment 133, posted at 20.11.09 15:02:17 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 130) : That’s just cruel. :razz:

  • Comment 134, posted at 20.11.09 15:03:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • Africa is not for sissies, nor was the wild west.

  • Comment 135, posted at 20.11.09 15:07:36 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 133) : tastes similar :mrgreen:

  • Comment 136, posted at 20.11.09 15:08:23 by rekinek Reply
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  • The froth that comes from Julius’ mouth can make you drunk, so can beer, therefore froth could be beer.

  • Comment 137, posted at 20.11.09 15:10:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 135) : there is a dog breed with tails cut off :sad:

  • Comment 138, posted at 20.11.09 15:10:20 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 131) : I am a huge Kanko fan, and behind an advancing pack, I think he is the best 8 in the world. His skills with ball in hand are superb. His problem is he lacks the bulk of some 8s (like Alberts) and when behind a retreating pack, he often loses the ball in contact. Albert’s extra bulk allow him to get a little forward momentum before going to ground, which helps to protect the ball. However, behind an advancing pack, he is nowhere near as good as Kanko.

    I’ve been getting the “To the Point” newsletter. Nice to be able to keep up with the goings on at PYC. It was really nice spending time with Campbell at the worlds.

  • Comment 139, posted at 20.11.09 15:14:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 138) : Cutting certain dog breeds tails has been quite a common practice in South Africa but it has now been outlawed for a bit more than a year, I think.

  • Comment 140, posted at 20.11.09 15:15:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Beware the door with too many keys.

  • Comment 141, posted at 20.11.09 15:17:58 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 128) :

    Was wondering when you were going to appear. Is it still raining at the cricket??

  • Comment 142, posted at 20.11.09 15:19:40 by wpw Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 138) : Cats are clever, they saw people cutting tails off dogs, so they evolved a breed without tails (Manx) :lol:

  • Comment 143, posted at 20.11.09 15:20:16 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 142) : Ruan Pienaar is the greatest rugby talent ever to grace the field. :twisted:

  • Comment 144, posted at 20.11.09 15:21:22 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 129) :

    He was good but he left us to play for Real Madrid and won a few trophies with them.

    Now that he is a pundit he can’t seem to say anything good about us. :evil:

  • Comment 145, posted at 20.11.09 15:23:16 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 140) : Common practice still here in the US for many breeds. Bulldogs, Dobermans and several others. They also still crop ears on many of these breeds, personally I think that is far more cruel than the tail chop. The tail cut is a fairly quick thing with fast recovery, cropping ears takes a long time to recover from and is painful for the poor dog. I really hate that.

  • Comment 146, posted at 20.11.09 15:24:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 142) : Ja bru, it’s just not cricket. :sad:

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 146) : I have an English Setter with floppy ears and a long, proud and handsome tail!

  • Comment 148, posted at 20.11.09 15:25:53 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 146) : why on earth would they crop a dog’s ears?

  • Comment 149, posted at 20.11.09 15:26:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 141) : on emay fit and you will have to enter :?:

  • Comment 150, posted at 20.11.09 15:26:29 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 144) :

    Which ‘field’ are you refering to??

    The filed of dreams?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 151, posted at 20.11.09 15:27:17 by wpw Reply
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  • No sleep, no dreams.

  • Comment 152, posted at 20.11.09 15:29:11 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 149) : Been done for decades on many breeds. From Schnauzers to Great Danes and many dogs in between. I believe originally it was done on game hunting and fighting dogs, I suppose floppy ears are easy target points. Not something I support, but it is common practice and has been for a long time.

  • Comment 153, posted at 20.11.09 15:29:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 149) : Bloody ridicilous if you ask me.

  • Comment 154, posted at 20.11.09 15:30:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 150) : Too many keys that fit. :smile:

  • Comment 155, posted at 20.11.09 15:31:27 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 143) : wonder what hairless breeds are trying to achieve :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 156, posted at 20.11.09 15:31:43 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 151) : I am developing my “field of dreams” team. TGHMEA tops the list at loosehead, with TGHMQD at 4, Ruan at 10 and Fleckie at 12. Not bad huh? :grin:

  • Comment 157, posted at 20.11.09 15:31:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 156) : Winning the Worlds Ugliest Dog contest! :lol: Every year it is a Mexican Hairless that wins that contest.

  • Comment 158, posted at 20.11.09 15:33:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 157) :

    hehehe

    Throw in Dale Santon and Theo Oosthuizen!!!

    And that overrated looseforward Wahl Baartman!! :|

  • Comment 159, posted at 20.11.09 15:35:04 by wpw Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 139) : Sorry..been a bit busy…I also enjoy getting TTP as we do not get down to the Club much, now-a-days, keeps us up to date, so when we do get down we are “in the know” ;-)
    I thought you and Campbell did pretty well! BUT you did get off to a bit of a shakey start ;-)

  • Comment 160, posted at 20.11.09 15:37:53 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 159) : Awww crap, now you’ve done it…..Where is Rob?

    Gus Theron is one wing, and I’m thinking may Kockett at 9. :lol:

  • Comment 161, posted at 20.11.09 15:38:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 160) : Jislaaik it was horrible. The fleet was so deep, every time I looked up there was a different past world champion around me. :lol:

    I also did the Melges 24 Worlds the end of October. Also a crazy deep fleet. Lots of fun, and always learning!

  • Comment 162, posted at 20.11.09 15:41:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 159) : and you spell his name wrong to boot.

    I am about to ban you

  • Comment 163, posted at 20.11.09 15:43:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 160) : Campbell was great to talk to at the Worlds, so nice to catch up on so many people. I think I will take up an overseas membership at PYC. It will always be my “home” club, where I grew up and learned to sail.

  • Comment 164, posted at 20.11.09 15:45:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • What about chopping of a part of little boys penises?

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  • @robdylan (Comment 163) : Not like I didn’t see that coming. :wink:

    Hey Rob, how come I got all the water in my glass???? :lol:

  • Comment 166, posted at 20.11.09 15:46:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 161) : what about ruan at 9 & 10 as a superman :mrgreen:

  • Comment 167, posted at 20.11.09 15:47:40 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 167) : That’s not fair, Ruan is an awesome 9, just has not quite lived up to the hype at 10. :wink: Kockett will always be a good choice at 9 in that team because he can never live up to his own hype :lol: He may be a superb scrumhalf, but that will never live up to his own hype.

  • Comment 168, posted at 20.11.09 15:50:15 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Jorrie at 13. :lol:

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  • Lukas van Biljoen (sp?) at hooker.

  • Comment 170, posted at 20.11.09 15:51:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Earl Rose at fullback….it’s filling out nicely now! :idea:

  • Comment 171, posted at 20.11.09 15:52:11 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 149) : also supposed to make them look fiercer…hate the practise..I believe it has now been banned world wide by the Kennel Clubs..ie.you cannot show or breed (issue a pedigree certificate) a dog/bitch with cropped tails or ears. I am sure it is illgal allover the States now, certainly is in UK & SA.

  • Comment 172, posted at 20.11.09 15:52:50 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • Lukas van Watson at 8 :lol:

  • Comment 173, posted at 20.11.09 15:52:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 172) : Not in the US. US Kennel Club still shows many breeds with cropped tails and ears. In fact, the US Kennel Club has not had a champion in breeds like Great Danes and Dobermans without cropped tails and ears yet. It is still more the norm here in the US.

  • Comment 174, posted at 20.11.09 15:55:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 164) : My daughter is an “overseas member” and her Dad and I “life members”! Mary enjoys comming home and then strolling into the Club House or Pub, as though she has never been away :grin:

  • Comment 175, posted at 20.11.09 15:55:58 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 165) : What about it?

  • Comment 176, posted at 20.11.09 15:56:34 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 175) : It’s funny because clearly I have spent many more years away from Durban and PYC than I was there, but I suppose those formative years will always hold the strongest memories. It is like being a Natal supporter, just never outgrew it.

  • Comment 177, posted at 20.11.09 15:58:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 177) : Although Tommy Bedford will always be my Natal Rugby hero. Not too many around here can say that. :grin:

  • Comment 178, posted at 20.11.09 16:00:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 176) : I think it’s been outlawed by most kennel clubs. :wink:

  • Comment 179, posted at 20.11.09 16:02:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 168) : it was jokingly :roll:

    i would put ruan at 9 in my team and butch at 10 methinks (haven’t been watching rugga all that long :mrgreen:

  • Comment 180, posted at 20.11.09 16:04:31 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 177) : :cool: Yeah..once a Natalian…always a Natalian…there is just something about this place :grin:
    @Dancing Bear (Comment 178) : Me2 can…we were at Varsity together (with Wally Sharrat) and he introduced me to rugby…up until then I had only really known soccer…as my dad was a soccer fan and player and ref!

  • Comment 181, posted at 20.11.09 16:07:34 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 179) : :lol:

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 179) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 183, posted at 20.11.09 16:10:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • just been confirmed (to me) that Johan Wessels will NOT be coming to Durban for the Super 14.

  • Comment 184, posted at 20.11.09 16:10:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 176) : If one considers the practice of cropping dogs ears or tails as cruel and barbaric, then surely you should hold the same opinion about removing parts of a child’s body.

  • Comment 185, posted at 20.11.09 16:16:59 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 185) : Getting on a “hobby horse” are we??

  • Comment 186, posted at 20.11.09 16:19:40 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 185) : Never really thought about it like that. But it’s not really painful to the child nor does it put him at any disadvantage. Or does it? Have to admit I’m fairly neutral on that. :smile:

  • Comment 187, posted at 20.11.09 16:20:54 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 187) : If cropping ears and tails is considered cruel, why is cutting off their testicles actually encouraged by these same organizations that have declared ear and tail cropping to be cruel.

  • Comment 188, posted at 20.11.09 16:26:40 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 181) : My mom has never been much of a rugby fan, but if you ever mention Tommy Bedford’s name, she always says “I remember watching rugby and not knowing much, didn’t know where to watch, but I soon learned that if I just watched the blonde fellow the ball was always somewhere nearby.” :lol:

  • Comment 189, posted at 20.11.09 16:29:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • This coversation is not for on a Friday afternoon :roll: Nyway, its home time…have a good weekend alll AND GO BOKKE!!!

  • Comment 190, posted at 20.11.09 16:30:06 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 185) : It’s not exactly a ‘body part’. Little piece of skin. But have to admit I have no idea about the pros and cons.

  • Comment 191, posted at 20.11.09 16:31:00 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 189) : :grin:

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 190) : Cheers!

  • Comment 193, posted at 20.11.09 16:32:32 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 188) : Health benefits for the animals and less aggression in males. Good if you’re keeping the dog as a pet. :smile:

  • Comment 194, posted at 20.11.09 16:32:51 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 190) : Adios. :smile:

  • Comment 195, posted at 20.11.09 16:34:14 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 194) : Declawing cats…also barbaric in my opinion. I must admit to having a bit of fun though since as I mentioned I have an English Setter with a nice tail, floppy ears AND he has been neutered (poor fellow). But I rescued him from a shelter, and he came sans the family jewels. :wink:

  • Comment 196, posted at 20.11.09 16:35:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I have some friends that have a Manx cat that has been de-clawed and neutered. We call him the amazing tailless, balless, clawless cat!

  • Comment 197, posted at 20.11.09 16:37:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 191) : Several square centimeters in size. Much more than skin. Very sensitive mucous membrane. The actual circumcision itself must be extremely painful.

  • Comment 198, posted at 20.11.09 16:41:16 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 197) : Not very amazing is he?? ;-)

  • Comment 199, posted at 20.11.09 16:41:38 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 199) : I think it is amazing he has survived this long! :lol:

  • Comment 200, posted at 20.11.09 16:43:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 185) : for what it’s worth, I’m dead against it, but we do run the risk of opening up a highly sensitive discussion that might not belong here?

  • Comment 201, posted at 20.11.09 16:44:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 196) : I’m very much pro neutering of pets. :mrgreen:

    Not heard much about declawing but sounds horrific.

  • Comment 202, posted at 20.11.09 16:45:41 by McLovin Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 198) : Surely when it’s performed in a hospital they use anesthetic?

    Sounds like yours was done under protest. :wink: :twisted:

  • Comment 203, posted at 20.11.09 16:48:33 by McLovin Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 198) : I’ll go look it up when I get home. Seems I have a lot to learn yet. :mrgreen:

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  • Or I’ll sommer look it up at work. Hope no-one is watching. :mrgreen:

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  • @McLovin (Comment 202) : It is horrific, amputation of each finger to the first knuckle. I have had both cats and dogs and would never even consider de-clawing the cats, and I have never had problems that cats with claws are “supposed” to have.

    Anyway, I suppose I should be appreciative that he is curled up at my feet right now, probably because he has been neutered. :wink:

  • Comment 206, posted at 20.11.09 16:55:40 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 203) : I don’t remember mine, but both my nephews actually stopped crying when it happened, and no anesthetic.

  • Comment 207, posted at 20.11.09 16:57:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 206) : Would not even consider doing that to the poor cat. No problems with my cats. All neutered. :grin:

  • Comment 208, posted at 20.11.09 16:58:18 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 207) : could have been shock though. :shock:

  • Comment 209, posted at 20.11.09 16:58:34 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 207) : Wouldn’t mess with your nephews. :wink:

  • Comment 210, posted at 20.11.09 17:08:16 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 207) : How old were they? If I may ask.

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  • @McLovin (Comment 211) : 8 days old, same age I was. There was a time it was considered a positive health thing, but not anymore, mostly religiously driven now.

  • Comment 212, posted at 20.11.09 17:11:15 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 198) : At first glance it appears it’s only the foreskin that gets chopped and it a pretty redundant piece of skin. But I’m sure it must be painful. Especially during the recovery period.

  • Comment 213, posted at 20.11.09 17:13:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 212) : True. But there are still some health benefits it seems, although very little difference.

  • Comment 214, posted at 20.11.09 17:16:38 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 214) : I survived, and none of my “issues” are due to that. :wink:

  • Comment 215, posted at 20.11.09 17:18:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 189) :
    If you remember Tommy Bedford then you will probably remember the guys mentioned in my post #87.
    The reason why I asked Original Pierre that question is because they all played for Natal before any Currie Cup had ever been won, are guys that I as a youngster supported through thick and thin, playing in the B section. We supported the team in the hope of winning, and certainly not demanding a a win. If we had only won that Currie Cup that once I would still be so proud of that team and would still support the Sharks, again more in hope than expecting the wins.
    I think the guys that cut their Natal / Sharks rugby teeth on those incredible teams of the 90′s under Mac are far more demanding of success, purely because that is what they grew up with and what they are usded too.
    Of course I want to win everything and my view does not mean that I will just sit back and takepoor coaching, contracting etcbut I honestly dont think this is applicable to this team.

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 212) :
    Did you go to Carmel College?

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 215) : Same here. :mrgreen:

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 216) :
    Terrible spelling.

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 216) : Spot on. Of course I want to win everything, but nobody wins everything every year. My only criticisms of Plum is he failed to see that the returning Boks were mostly knackered and rushing players back from injury far too quickly.

    I remember supporting the Banana Boys through thick and thin, and even though the victories were few and far between, they were all larger than life and heroes to a wide-eyed pre-pubescent. I remember my excitement every time a Natal player was selected for the Boks, and believe me those were few and far between as well. I suppose I will always support anyone who wears the black and white.

  • Comment 220, posted at 20.11.09 17:28:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 217) : I did, through Standard 7.

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 221) : hehehe so did Jonathan Kaplan!

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  • @McLovin (Comment 218) : I get daily joy from mine :lol:

  • Comment 223, posted at 20.11.09 17:33:37 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 212) : shit, bet it was so sore they couldn’t even walk for some time afterwards.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 224) : About a year and a half! :lol:

  • Comment 225, posted at 20.11.09 17:42:34 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 222) :
    And 2 of my good buddies as well, late 70′s.

  • Comment 226, posted at 20.11.09 17:42:55 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 224) : :lol: Years before they could walk properly.

  • Comment 227, posted at 20.11.09 17:43:28 by McLovin Reply

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  • Who’s Carmel?

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 226) : I left in 1977. Jonathan was 4 years behind me, his sister was in my class. I’m sure there is a good chance I know who your buddies are.

  • Comment 229, posted at 20.11.09 17:44:54 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 228) : Reference to Mt. Carmel in Israel.

  • Comment 230, posted at 20.11.09 17:45:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 229) :
    If you left in 77 and were in std 7 the chances are very good that you would know them. Twin brothers, not nearly identical. Ill pass their nameson via Rob.

  • Comment 231, posted at 20.11.09 17:52:11 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 230) : Thanks. :cool:

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  • @McLovin (Comment 228) :
    Some trivia re Mount Carmel, just for you.

    “Archaeologists have discovered ancient wine and oil presses at various locations on Mt. Carmel.”

  • Comment 233, posted at 20.11.09 17:55:04 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 231) : Twin brothers first names begin with B and V?

  • Comment 234, posted at 20.11.09 17:57:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Time to go and feed my neutered cats with claws and my neutered (all but the youngest) dogs with tails (except for the foxie who arrived without a tail)

    Ciao.

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 234) :
    That would be them.

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 233) : Sounds like n lekker place. :cool:

  • Comment 237, posted at 20.11.09 17:59:28 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 236) : They were in my class, and I knew them very well. Are you still in touch with them?

  • Comment 238, posted at 20.11.09 18:03:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 235) : au revoir.

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 236) : I got in a lekker fight with B once in school. :lol: but were always good mates.

  • Comment 240, posted at 20.11.09 18:06:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 238) :
    No I havent been for some time now. I see their sister S is a journalist reporting on KZN lifestyle matters for a national newspaper so it should be fairly easy to make contact again, which is something that I have been doing lately, looking up old friends and acquaintenances.

  • Comment 241, posted at 20.11.09 18:07:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Sometimes it can be such a small world. :cool:

  • Comment 242, posted at 20.11.09 18:08:55 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 241) : Lekker, if you do, you must pass on my best to them.

  • Comment 243, posted at 20.11.09 18:10:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 240) :
    That I can well believe, he was always the more feisty of the 2, probably because V got all the grub.

  • Comment 244, posted at 20.11.09 18:11:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 241) : Now go take care of your menagerie! :grin:

  • Comment 245, posted at 20.11.09 18:12:02 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 243) :
    Will do.

    Ciao.

  • Comment 246, posted at 20.11.09 18:13:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 244) : :lol: Ja, V was always quieter and bigger! Although B was one of the fastest little okes I knew.

  • Comment 247, posted at 20.11.09 18:13:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 246) : Cheers!

  • Comment 248, posted at 20.11.09 18:14:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • you okes having a happy reminisce? Man,I was born in 77 :)

  • Comment 249, posted at 20.11.09 18:37:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 249) :
    That was enjoyable, amazing how small the internet has made the world.
    On your age, fasten the seat belts because from now on your years are going to start ticking by much faster than they have been, BUT with a special quality about life itself being experienced. A good place to be actually.

  • Comment 250, posted at 21.11.09 11:48:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Just heard Ras Dumisani (or someone that sounds like him) singing the anthem, turns out its an advert with the punchline “…next time try Halls”

  • Comment 251, posted at 21.11.09 11:51:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 251) : Dumisani’s real anthem version as performed on some or other radio station on Monday is available on podcast if you wish to hear more of that.

    now – i’m sorry for the man – but goosh I can sing better than him

  • Comment 252, posted at 21.11.09 15:24:59 by rekinek Reply
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