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Another front-row conundrum


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Springboks on 23 Nov 2009 at 00:34
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Isn’t it amazing how twenty minutes can change the perspective of an entire nation?

I’m referring, of course, to the closing quarter of the Boks’ test match against Italy this weekend, when, for the first time since the opening Lions test, the Bok scrum actually moved forward. Now, either fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you choose to look at it, there were at least two, but more like three significant changes that happened more-or-less simultaneously, making it absolutely impossible to determine which of them was really the decisive one. It could, perhaps, have been a case of all three being the difference between a scrum being walked back and one moving at roughly the same speed, but in the opposite direction.

The media, of course, have picked up on John Smit moving back to hooker as the crucial change and are using it as a stick to beat Peter de Villiers with. Wian du Preez, despite having his head repeatedly shoved up his ass for the second time in a week, is somehow “definitely up to it at this level”, while there is no visible climbdown on the abuse that’s been dished out to the Beast in recent weeks. Guess he just got lucky this time! One thing that is for bloody sure, though, is that BJ Botha is still the best scrummaging tighthead in the game, bar none. Funny that it took 20 minutes against lowly Italy for the so-called wise men to finally come around to that one.

So, the big talk, of course, is that John Smit should move back to hooker. It’s, of course, quite easy to suggest that now, with Bismarck du Plessis currently injured and out of form, but lest we forget, it was Bismarck’s absolutely undeniable class and irresistible form in 2008 that prompted the switch for Smit in the first place. The youngster was considered too good to be benching, even for the captain. Shades of Bob Skinstad v Gary Teichmann, not so? At least the incumbent was treated somewhat more fairly, in this case.

Things change, though and if there’s one thing to be said about Bismarck ’09, it’s that he’s playing like a guy who is absolutely assured of his jersey. That is to say, he doesn’t believe he can be dropped and his hunger seems to have gone. All of a sudden, the cocksure youngster who looked certain to be named “world’s best hooker” in the near future now seems punch-drunk and arrogant instead and far from being an absolute must-pick for the Boks, others such as Adriaan Strauss and even Tiaan Liebenberg seem to have stolen a march on him. Bismarck, in short, has had a season he’d rather forget and it’s very hard, right now, to justify not restoring Smit to his rightful position because, right now, Smit is clearly the better hooker.

Now I have heard plenty about Bismarck and his boetie and to say they’re rumoured to be somewhat temperamental and petulant would be an understatement. I get the feeling that coaches have learned to treat the pair with kid gloves, lest risk a messy tantrum that would derail the rest of the team. To be blunt, I think that both the Sharks and Springbok coaching teams are afraid to drop Bis, because they know he’s going to throw his toys. In the case of the Sharks, his brother will add a second set and the whole thing could get messy indeed. Having released BJ Botha to Ulster, the last thing the Sharks can afford to do is lose Jannie du Plessis, because with Smit back at hooker, there isn’t a tighthead in sight.

I see a way forward here, though and it might just depend on the conversation that I’m sure is taking place, right as we speak, between BJ Botha and Peter de Villiers. If the diminutive tighthead can be persuaded to return to South Africa with the carrot of a lasting place in the Bok front row at stake (and not just as an understudy to the overrated CJ van der Linde) then perhaps the du Plessis clan might find themselves somewhat on the back foot, both in the provincial and national pecking order. If there’s one thing that’s desperately needed in Sharks country, it’s players pushing each other hard and I, for one, would love to see exactly what Bismarck pulls out of the hat when told to actually go out and play for his position. Ditto his brother.

Or they can choose to throw their toys. After all, they’ve already signed, haven’t they?



109 Comments

  • Quite simply, Smit has been the best scrummaging hooker in the world for quite some time now. Bissie would have to do some serious bulking up to be close the scrummager Smit is at hooker. Also, Bissie packs to high, as a tall hooker he needs to be extra careful about packing down low. I know some will argue this, but Smit can make any capable tighthead look good. Not taking anything from BJ who is a superb scrummager, but know why CJ has a reputation for being a good tighthead even though he is clearly not? Because he packed down with Smit at hooker for the Boks in so many games and Smit made him look good. CJ got shunted all over with the Cheetahs more often than not.

    Beast is an aggressive scrummager which I like, Steenkamp and du Preez are satisfied to hold up their end of the scrum and try not to go backwards. Right now Beast is knackered, he has played a lot of rugby this year, and he is carrying a shoulder injury, it is impossible to scrum at an international level with a shoulder niggle. He will get away with a scrum or two, but not a game of scrums, he needs a break, but he is still clearly our best loosehead.

    So that being said, looking just at the scrum, clearly the best front row (when all players are on form) are Beast, John and BJ. But there is still more to the game than scrumming, and Smit has to be on any team as captain somewhere, until he is ready to retire.

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.11.09 05:03:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Great article Rob, and spot on Dancing Bear. I don’t think Jannie would mind playing second fiddle to BJ, he’s had a history of being behind CJ at the Cheetahs and Smitty here. The problem really lies with Bismarck. He may be the better player of the two, but he’s nowhere near as mature as the Proptologist. John Smit said a lot of nice things about Plumtree in his book, here’s hoping he lives up to those high estimations as a coach by keeping the players we need to keep, shafting those we don’t and bringing in or bringing back more QUALITY players.

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.11.09 06:11:53 by MerckZ Reply

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  • What I wanna know is why people (read the SA media) rate CJ as a tighthead??

    The guy is only good at running with the ball and seems to be very individualistic. :roll:

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.11.09 07:11:54 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 3) : Hey WPW your mate on Keo Grant tried to skin me alive last week when I suggested that!!! :evil: But I guess BJ proved me right in his 20 minutes last week!

    Rob, I am really hoping BJ gets brought back to Durbs ASAP – and didn’t Deysel and Brussow combine nicely on Saturday?

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.11.09 07:33:21 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 4) :

    Hey there.

    Grant is really not my mate. I hardly know the guy!! :|

    I hope BJ returns to SA cos we definitely need him in the Bok side. ;-)

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.11.09 07:43:49 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 5) : Was pulling your leg – both WP supporters ;) Got all huffy and puffy when I suggested that CJ was overated penalty a minute, that BJ should have been called up first!

    I am really hoping he comes back to the Sharks after all he has a beautiful home in Umhlanga! He once again showed just what a mistake we made by letting him go! and since we need to make space for JS then he needs to move to hooker again. And this is from Bissie’s biggest fan, but the team and winning has to come first!

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.11.09 07:59:52 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • just heard FDP is very doutfull for Saturday hand injury same arm as the sholder injuly apparently cant grip or lift arm going for exray and stuff this am

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.11.09 08:13:59 by Fattmann Reply
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  • An eye opening 20 minutes….funny how all of a sudden the SH teams are batteling in the scrumms

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.11.09 08:20:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Well I don’t want to get to excited yet but the scrum did look pretty good when JS moved to hooker and was joined by BJ. If JS starts at hooker against the Irish and puts in a great performance I will have to take back my critism about him. I just hope that this was not a few lucky scrums but rather a great performance from the best possible front row.

    Now lets wait and see what the Springbok brain trust will do and who they will select but more importantly where. By the way does anyone know when BJ’s contract abroad will end?

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.11.09 08:28:10 by LandShark Reply

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  • So who will start at 9 against Ireland??

    Ruan, Adams or Hougaard??? :|

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.11.09 08:40:35 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 10) : i would hope its ruan, dont think we really stand a chance against ireland im afraid

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.11.09 08:50:00 by war1 Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 10) : most likely Ruaan Hougaard is to inexperienced or they could call for Ricky

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.11.09 08:52:53 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 10) : Adams is crocked ankle i think

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.11.09 08:54:03 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 11) :

    I agree. Why do we even bother going on these ‘end of season’ tours??

    Our top players should be resting!! :roll:

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.11.09 08:55:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : when overseas side tour at the end of their season they send a b side we should do the same and go expecting to lose some /all of the games. I think next year will be different with the view to the RWC and i think it will start with the June tests maybe full strenght against France then B side in the 2 italy tests and carefull management with the Tri Series. we may also so the older boks missing some of the Super 14 and the CC. for the good of the national side i hope so we cannot go through another season submitting the players to all this rugby 15 S14 games 3 inbound tests 5 Tri-nations 4-6 currie cup games and 4 eoyt that is 34 saturdays out of 52 ad to that practice matches and travelling no onder these guys are finished and guess what they will be lucky if they have a month off before they start traing with thier respective S14 sides!!!

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.11.09 09:05:25 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : One word – 75K in match fees plus win bonus.

    The lure of filthy lucre!

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.11.09 09:18:37 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @Baldrick (Comment 16) : :roll:

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.11.09 09:33:21 by wpw Reply
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  • where did everyone go?

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.11.09 11:19:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Beach

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.11.09 11:21:53 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • Vamoos a la playa

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.11.09 11:38:53 by Baldrick Reply

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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 19) : but it’s a work day, no?

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.11.09 11:41:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • These guys are clearly exhausted…I actually feel sorry for them…

    But hey they are gettin lots of money and going shopping all over europe…I think they feel sorry for me. :sad:

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.11.09 12:03:04 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 22) : they’re cashing the cheques every month, dude…

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.11.09 12:11:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • Zane Kirchner…and Morne Steyn… the most boring backline players ever…I wonder why… :roll:

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.11.09 12:16:30 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 24) : why does everyone seem to think Kirchner played well on Saturday? He was distinctly average in my book.

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.11.09 12:18:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’m very concerned about scrumhalf for Saturday if FdP can’t play.
    Our choices are Ruan who has the experience, but is terribly out of form and lacks confidence or a rookie in Hougaard……

    The worst part is that BOTH have been played out of position and have’nt really played much at scrumhalf recently. I’d probably go with Ruan purely because of his experience

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.11.09 12:25:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : We are definately missing Fransie, JdV in the backline because the back up just hasn’t been up to scratch. Also missing Spies…

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.11.09 12:28:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 27) : if the front 5 could be bothered to lay a proper platform, I’m sure you’d see whichever 8 is playing look a lot better. Spies is also kak behind a retreating scrum, just like Morne Steyn suddenly doesn’t look like a match-winner anymore when the forwrads are getting stuffed.

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.11.09 13:06:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : come on, dude… how can you seriously even have a debate in your mind about which one is a better scrummie?

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.11.09 13:09:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • I fail to see the hype around young Hougaard at the moment.

    Yes he has all the skill and promise, but so do 50 other scrummies in SA.

    His lack of tactical appreciation and ability under pressure against a club team (Saracens) exposed him badly.

    If he has any hope in hell of becoming a Bok 9 he should be played there at provincial level and S14 first because so far he has not impressed at all.

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.11.09 13:26:07 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 30) : agree 100%. And he has stupid hair.

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.11.09 13:31:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) :

    And the Bulls call our players moffos. :roll:

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.11.09 14:25:41 by wpw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 30) : @robdylan (Comment 31) : I agree we have a lot of good scrummies left behind in SA that I would have prefered over Hougaard and Ruan :roll:

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.11.09 14:31:08 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 33) : short memory… Ruan was THE best scrumhalf in the Currie Cup last year.

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.11.09 14:50:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : and in the 2007 S14 final!

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.11.09 14:52:07 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : No way he was better than Vermaak or even Sarel Pretorius……and since when has Ruan and Adi replaced Barrit as your lovechild??? :roll: ;-)

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.11.09 15:02:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Evrybody knows Ricky is the best.

    BTW is he still ‘on the run’? :twisted:

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.11.09 15:08:27 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 37) : more like ‘on the roll’ :lol:

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.11.09 15:09:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Morne Steyn is not even near the league of a giteau or carter!!

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.11.09 15:16:19 by Miguel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 38) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.11.09 15:20:04 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 36) : Ruan’s getting a raw deal from virtually everybody at the moment and I’m determined to stick up for him.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.11.09 15:40:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : :cool:

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.11.09 15:52:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : Maybe if they played him at fullback where he can do less damage . . .

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.11.09 16:07:19 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • For all this “the Boks are tired” excuses from the SB, the Barbarians have a definite Green and Gold flavour “Barbarians squad –

    Backs: Leigh Halfpenny (Wales), Bryan Habana (South Africa), Joe Rokocoko (New Zealand), Drew Mitchell (Australia), Jamie Roberts (Wales), Jaque Fourie (South Africa), Morne Steyn (South Africa), Matt Giteau (Australia), Fourie du Preez (South Africa), Will Genia (Australia).

    Forwards: Bismarck du Plessis (South Africa), Stephen Moore (Australia), Tendai Mtawarira (South Africa), WP Nel (Free State Cheetahs), Salvatore Perugini (Italy), Victor Matfield (South Africa), Danie Rossouw (South Africa), Carlo del Fava (Italy), Rocky Elsom (Australia), Schalk Burger (South Africa), George Smith (Australia), Andy Powell (Wales).

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.11.09 16:11:15 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • It`ll be interesting to see Beast, Bismarck and WP Nel in the front row . . .

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.11.09 16:13:42 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • The Springboks’ first training session in Dublin was canceled because as many as eight players are battling injuries.
    Team doctor Craig Roberts delivered the bad news on Monday. He refused to rule out anyone for the final Test at Croke Park, but the injury list means the Boks will not announce their team until Thursday.

    ‘Zane Kirchner took a knock to the knee against Italy,’ he told keo.co.za. ‘Adi Jacobs rolled his ankle quite badly and somebody fell on Fourie du Preez’s hand. Bakkies Botha has a stiff back that was exacerbated by the flight to Dublin. Adriaan Strauss has also tweaked something in his back.

    ‘CJ van der Linde still has the hamstring worry from the Saracens game, while Bismarck du Plessis and Schalk Burger still have the rib cartillage concerns. We [the medical team] have a busy week ahead of us, but we will give these players every opportunity to prove their fitness.’

    Coach Peter de Villiers said the decision to cancel Monday’s training session was a no-brainer.

    ‘The doc brought me this lengthy list on Sunday, and I thought why waste time with only half of the team available? We’ve had a few indoor sessions and finished our video sessions, so while we haven’t been on the field, we have been doing valuable work.’

    The Boks could effectively field a third team this Saturday if the aforementioned players fail to recover. De Villiers refuses to be negative, and will not call for any replacements.

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.11.09 16:17:16 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 44) : It is tradition that each Barbarians team has one player that has not yet had a cap for their country. WP Nel is the player in this Barbarians squad, and a good choice in my opinion.

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.11.09 16:21:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 43) : he’s a terrible fullback. What’s your beef with Ruan anyway?

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.11.09 16:22:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) : Ruan was fine in the CC games he played this year at 9. His delivery was quick, my only issue is that he seemed reluctant to take his normal sniping runs, and also reluctant to kick out of hand, which he is very good at from 9. I think a sign his confidence is down. And then to be played again at 10 as the “backup” in the club games, and now we need him to step up at 9 if FdP is injured. They have stuffed this poor guy around, and now, when we need him most, at 9…..I really feel for him, but to be honest, he won’t let the Boks down at 9, he will provide fine ball to the backline. Now if we can only get him back to his best, and expand the variety of his play at 9 to where he was. I have no idea what Original Pierre is on about.

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.11.09 16:31:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 49) : I think he’s got a drum, so he’s banging it for all he’s worth :)

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.11.09 16:39:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : It’s OK Rob, don’t forget I have been accused of having Ruan as my love child as much as Barritt was yours. :wink: Personally, I think he could be either the best 9 or 10 in the world, if he was just given a chance to play there for a few seasons.

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.11.09 16:42:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I’m happy with Ruan at 9. This week and after. :cool:

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.11.09 16:54:28 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 51) : I think it’s a case of not realising how lucky we are… let’s let Ruan play only scrumhalf for all of next season and see how good he ends up being. Kockott is easy to drop after this season’s fiascos

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.11.09 17:19:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • Just checked the weather for dublin for saturday 7 degrees and 60% chance of rain
    so this is the team that i think will start
    Zane
    JP
    Mossie
    Adi Hoping he will be ok
    Habana
    Morne
    Ruan
    Pakslai
    Wolla
    Bakkies
    Victor
    007 licenced to Steal
    BJ
    Smitty
    Beast

    All because of the wet. the irish press ran a James bond type headline with Brousow pick in it 007 licenced to steal
    cool so i think everyone will start calling him 007 from now on

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.11.09 18:40:24 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) : Yeah but what is the odds of that happening. I sometimes wonder what would have happened had he not made the move to 10. How good a scrumhalf would he have been if he kept playing in a position where he is confident? Well one can only wonder.

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.11.09 21:21:13 by LandShark Reply

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  • “Lions’ Willem Alberts and Louis Ludik get warm welcome from Plumtree

    Two of the Golden Lions’ most talented rugby players, massive number eight Willem Alberts and fullback/wing Louis Ludik, have linked up with the Sharks and yesterday attended their first training session in Durban.
    Their arrival was welcomed by Sharks coach John Plumtree, who said he was “excited to have them in what should be a very strong squad”.
    The two will join another Lions forward, the two-metre tall, 120kg lock Gerhard Mostert, who was signed by the Sharks late in the Currie Cup season.
    The 25 year old Alberts, at 1.92 metres and 116kg is one of the biggest loose forwards in world rugby, and he will provide Plumtree with options to both number eight Ryan Kankowksi and bullocking flank Jean Deysel.
    The fleet-footed Ludik, who just turned 23, enjoyed an excellent Super 14 with the Lions this year, but a serious Knee ligament injury against the British and Irish Lions at Ellis Park ended his seson and prevented him representing the Emerging Springboks against the tourists.
    While the pair have alredy moved to Durban, and are determined to play for the Sharks, the Golden Lions Rugby Union have yet to release them. The players’ lawyer, Wilhelm Botes, said the Lions were frustrating efforts to gain their release… he added that the matter could still end in a court battle. Peet Van Zyl, who is the agent for both Alberts and Ludik, said that the players believe their chances of playing for the Springboks will improve by joining the Sharks. ” but a number of factors played a role in their decisions to move” Van Zyl said.
    Plumtree was enthusiastic about the new signings “they will add depth, they will add competition for places and they will add a freshness to the Sharks squad” he said.
    The Sharks coach said that competition for places was one of the problems in 2009 Super 14 season. “For much of the season the team selected itself and that is not healthy. Now we will have Willem Alberts playing for a place and putting Jean Deysel and Ryan Kankowski under pressure to perform and keep performing. We also have young Michael Rhodes coming through well, so we have some seriously big guys competing at loose forward. And that is what you need if you are to break down defences in the modern game, big ball carriers.”
    Mostert will provide the Sharks with options at lock and add to the physicality of the pack, while Ludik, said Plumtree, would provide depth at fullback and wind “and perhaps even in midfield”.
    “He is quick and an excellent all round rugby Player”, Plumtree said that the Sharks would probably have more competition for places at forward than amongst backs.
    “But I’m excited about the group of players we have. Now we have to channel all that talent into a team effort and that is the challenge if we are to have a successfull Super 14 season next year.”
    While the Sharks have started preseason, Plumtree said that the Springboks would be integrated back into the squad on an individual basis.
    “Some of the players who have toured with the Boks have been busier than others and they will be assessed. But certainly a number need to be carefully managed.”

    John Bishop in the Natal Witness
    24.11.2009

  • Comment 56, posted at 24.11.09 08:08:56 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 56) : so it’s done :roll:

    Rob can go back to his Alberts’ avatars :mrgreen:

    Pity though that they could not find a good no eight and fifteen amongst youngsters.

    And Good Morning :razz:

  • Comment 57, posted at 24.11.09 08:46:49 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 51) : When Ruan was moved to 10 he was supposed to be given enough time there – he has one off game and Divvie puts him at 15 and Plum back at 9 – so much for giving time. :roll:

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  • @rekinek (Comment 57) : Good morning Rekinek
    25 and 23 is hardly old, and you need experience to rub off on the youngsters. I am happy as now maybe we will see Kanko of old.

    I was so excited when Kanko created that try in the Italian game, and got progressively more disapointed as the game progressed he went missing again and knocked on again! He must be brought back and given lessons in Rugby 101. I remember Rob/Try time I forget, used to call him I cannot catch sky, he then suddenly he could catch the ball and he had a fabulous season, but it seems since he got concussed by La Fava last year he has gone back to Can’t catch ski :(

  • Comment 59, posted at 24.11.09 08:54:21 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Rob, anyone there are rumours that Hernandez and Ruan will not be able to start the S14 and Dumond’s trip to Bloem has been put on hold – any news? Dumond against Carter, can’t help but get jittery :(

  • Comment 60, posted at 24.11.09 08:56:11 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 59) : it was try time. I’m a huge Kanko fan

  • Comment 61, posted at 24.11.09 08:58:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 60) : I’ve chatted to Monty and his move is indeed on hold, pending Ruan’s return from the Boks.

  • Comment 62, posted at 24.11.09 08:59:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 59) : must be honest this italian job was rather boring and i couldn’t force myself to sit still for 2 hours :|
    but this try was lovely.

    not sure about these guys experience they pretty much got whipped every time (sorry lions fans)

  • Comment 63, posted at 24.11.09 09:00:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : does it mean that there is a chance of sending Juan back home :mrgreen:

  • Comment 64, posted at 24.11.09 09:01:31 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 64) : You’ll see Hernandez shine in the Super 14…..

  • Comment 65, posted at 24.11.09 09:06:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 37) : apparently this misunderstanding was clarified :roll:
    but bit quiet about Ricky

    @Pokkel (Comment 38) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 66, posted at 24.11.09 09:07:16 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 65) : for the sharks’ sake I hope you’re right I just can’t see it.

  • Comment 67, posted at 24.11.09 09:08:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 65) : But now there are rumours that he has a back injury which will keep him out of start of S14. If he plays I have absolutely no doubt he will shine.

    @robdylan (Comment 61) : Okai sorry Rob, I just remember the arguments ’cause Kanko couldn’t catch” Hope he gets his mojo back this week. Against Ireland who tend to like to run the ball the game will probably suit Kanko more.

  • Comment 68, posted at 24.11.09 09:16:59 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 68) : i’ve just found out that Scotland beat Australia :shock:

    pity about my SB but HE HE HE HE HE HE :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 69, posted at 24.11.09 09:19:21 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 63) : Being Italian, I was watching with much interest. If they had a proper flyhalf (Gower is useless) and a kicker (they left 15 points on the parck) the Italians could be serious challengers! Well in all fairness Mallet has made difference to Italy, no longer are they beat by 100 + points!

  • Comment 70, posted at 24.11.09 09:22:42 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 70) : their entire kicking game was so aimless but they were not lacking enthusiasm.

    have you been in SA long ?

  • Comment 71, posted at 24.11.09 09:27:23 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 69) : Gosh Rekinek!! That made my weekend!!! I was even singing “Flower of Scotland” the remainder of the weekend! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 72, posted at 24.11.09 09:30:22 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 71) : A life time, came here 34 years ago. And yourself?

  • Comment 73, posted at 24.11.09 09:32:30 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 73) : 7 years only or already depending from which side you look ;-)

  • Comment 74, posted at 24.11.09 09:35:38 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 74) : :lol: What made you come to SA? and would you ever go back?

  • Comment 75, posted at 24.11.09 09:48:19 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 75) : the other half :roll:
    originally we came only for 2 years then it became 4 and now it looks indefinately.

    But I reckon we will go back at some point. Not soon though.

  • Comment 76, posted at 24.11.09 10:02:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 76) : I have a colleague from Poland, really intelligent man. And we all love him ’cause he gives management as good as he gets, and plays them at their own game. His daughter is a SB Tennis player and has just won a scholarship at one of the best university in the world (ranked 6th university in the world) in the States. Cannot remember the name of the ‘Varsity, not yale/Harvard.

  • Comment 77, posted at 24.11.09 10:08:08 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Morning Ladies
    @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 77) : Are you an Umkomaas Italian?
    What is a SB tennis player?

    Im very glad that you got to break the Alberts / Ludick news here.

  • Comment 78, posted at 24.11.09 10:24:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Are it true that Heineken Mayor is back at the Bulls? Director of rugby?

  • Comment 79, posted at 24.11.09 10:25:38 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 77) : good to hear we are so clever :mrgreen:

    @Salmonoid (Comment 78) : morning

    SB= Springbok?

  • Comment 80, posted at 24.11.09 10:27:55 by rekinek Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 79) : do you know “balwan” :?: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 24.11.09 10:36:03 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 78) : SB = Springbok but what I meant is that she plays Tennis for South Africa, just trying to shorten the long drawn out sentence.

    and where else would I break it, where genuine Sharks supporters should be hanging out? Its been so quiete recently that I was just trying to start some sort of discussion. Especially since from 4 December they are banning all non-Transport related sites :( so will not be able to blog for much longer, have to make the most while I can.

  • Comment 82, posted at 24.11.09 10:45:31 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 79) : Yes apparently unveiling is today or tomorrow. Didn’t know he wore a veil, must be rather uncomfortable!

  • Comment 83, posted at 24.11.09 10:46:56 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 81) : Who :?:

  • Comment 84, posted at 24.11.09 10:53:19 by McLovin Reply

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  • Looks like so far WP, Lions & Bulls are going to use the ‘premiership model’ or whatever it’s called for their coaching staff from next season.

  • Comment 85, posted at 24.11.09 10:55:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 84) : auntie google didn’t help :mrgreen:

    In Polish snowman is balwan. But the same word is also used to call somebody silly or an idiot in a nice way.

  • Comment 86, posted at 24.11.09 11:00:48 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 82) : :sad:
    that’s not in the xmas spirit.

  • Comment 87, posted at 24.11.09 11:01:43 by rekinek Reply
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  • Poland taps French roots
    Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:12

    The Polish national team’s recruitment drive in France taps right into the roots of rugby union in the country.

    Poland’s first club, named the White Eagles after the national emblem, was founded in Warsaw in 1921 by Frenchman Louis Amblard, rugby historian Jacek Wierzbicki told AFP.

    Soldier and sportsman Amblard had come to Poland as a post-World War I military adviser to the new-born Polish army and stayed on.

    “He only got a few volunteers, barely enough for one team, but he used his contacts in the military mission to get soldiers to come to training so they could form two sides,” said Wierzbicki.

    Polish exiles who had tried their hand at rugby in France were returning home around the same time, after carved-up Poland won independence from the defunct empires of Russia, Austria and Germany.

    The two teams – known as Blacks and Whites – played Poland’s first recorded match in 1922. Blacks won 6-3.

    Poland’s first club international came in 1924. The White Eagles were thrashed 42-0 in Bucharest by Romania’s Probables.

    Despite the creation of clubs in other cities, the sport failed to flourish. The first Polish Rugby Union was disbanded in 1928.

    Rugby re-emerged after World War II under Poland’s communist regime.

    In the first official post-war match, held in 1956, Warsaw academic team AZS-AWF Warszawa beat Silesian miners’ side Gornik Kochlowice 3-0. AZS-AWF won the new-born championship the following year.

    The Polish Rugby Union was also revived in 1957.

    Poland’s international debut came in 1958, against East Germany. They won 9-8.

    Despite some modest successes in the ensuing decades, rugby remains a minority sport here.

    International Rugby Board figures show there are 46 Polish clubs and 4,912 registered players, equivalent to one Pole in 7,736.

    France boasts 1,683 clubs and 282,121 players, or one in 219 of the population. Rugby-worshipping New Zealand has 595 clubs and 139,968 players, around one Kiwi in 30.

    IRB rules allow nations to draft non-citizens who meet any of three criteria: they were born in the country; at least one of their parents or grandparents was born there; or they have lived there for at least three years before the call-up.

    To stop team-hopping, a player cannot switch allegiance after playing for another country’s senior side.

    The rule-policing has got stricter: in 2000, Welsh rugby was rocked by scandal when two New Zealand-born internationals were ruled ineligible because a grandparent hadn’t been born in Wales as originally thought.

    The pool of Polish internationals is potentially huge.

    According to Warsaw organisation Wspolnota Polska there are around 17 million people outside Poland who have Polish citizenship or recent ancestry. The home population is 38 million.

    The diaspora results from over a century of economic migration, a tortured history of invasion, and four decades of post-World War II communist rule.

    There are some 1,050,000 in France.

    The figures in other rugby-loving nations are also impressive: an estimated 500,000 in Britain and 250,000 in Ireland, most of whom came to work after Poland joined the European Union in 2004.

    Argentina’s Polish-origin community numbers 450,000, and Australia’s, 200,000. There are 35,000 in South Africa and 6,000 in New Zealand.

    “Right now we have quite a few people with Polish roots getting in touch with us, from England, Australia and South Africa, who’re interested in joining the Polish team. But unfortunately, most of them aren’t high-level players,” said Grzegorz Borkowski of the Polish Rugby.

    AFP

    Thought it may also be of some relevance to Beast story .

  • Comment 88, posted at 24.11.09 11:08:46 by rekinek Reply
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  • Just remember that Alberts/Ludik could still go wrong, hey… Lions haven’t released them yet

  • Comment 89, posted at 24.11.09 11:10:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 86) : I see, thanks. You learn something new everyday. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 90, posted at 24.11.09 11:10:09 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 82) :
    Stupido me, I only associate Sprinboks with rugby and biltong.

    Its not the site that Im glad about but that it was you (who has been eagerly waiting for this news)

    Are you in the courier industry?

  • Comment 91, posted at 24.11.09 11:11:49 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 91) : No I work in Dept of Transport :???: We are suposed to build roads but we have run out of money :roll:

  • Comment 92, posted at 24.11.09 11:14:05 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 92) : how do they know if a site is “transport related”?

  • Comment 93, posted at 24.11.09 11:16:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 91) : Yep really excited that finally there is some news coming from Sharks!

  • Comment 94, posted at 24.11.09 11:17:48 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : Was wondering the same thing.

  • Comment 95, posted at 24.11.09 11:19:11 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 94) : well – not really from the sharks… from people who were at practice yesterday

  • Comment 96, posted at 24.11.09 11:20:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 95) : I wonder if Sharksworld.biz is transport related…
    :)

  • Comment 97, posted at 24.11.09 11:22:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : perhaps if you post enough articles like “the road to final”, “transport of players from airports to stadia”, “an average speed of a rugby ball” then the sharksworld will qualify :mrgreen:

  • Comment 98, posted at 24.11.09 11:23:12 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 92) :
    Not good to have run out of money 6 months before 2010 kickoff, money should be in abundance about now.

  • Comment 99, posted at 24.11.09 11:24:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : I do not know, that is why I plan to try and come on as long as the site does not get banned. Maybe you could rename the site the Transport Sharks or Sharksworld Transported ;) Otherwise I will have to blog from my phone a royal pain in the you know where, or get myself a lap top with wireless internet connection, which is what I am thinking of doing, but that will mean I wont be able to afford season tickets, oh what to do what to do :evil:

  • Comment 100, posted at 24.11.09 11:25:23 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 96) : too true too true, it would have been a real surprise if it had come from the SHarks. I often lump the poor journos with the Sharks camp :oops:

  • Comment 101, posted at 24.11.09 11:28:55 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 86) :

    It makes sense, the only think I would have changed was to make the w a m = balman.. :wink:

    Allo Mense!

  • Comment 102, posted at 24.11.09 11:30:18 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 99) : two words describe the situation “Bad planning”. Imagine our engineers and project managers have been put on restricted mileage – How will they supervise projects when they have done their mileage? :roll: Anyway I actually quite like working here, so before I get myself fired I will say no more.

  • Comment 103, posted at 24.11.09 11:31:19 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 97) : :MRGREEN:

  • Comment 104, posted at 24.11.09 11:33:47 by McLovin Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 88) :
    Maybe they could have played for Poland…..
    Romain Millo-Chluski, Dimitri Szarzewski, Michalak.

  • Comment 105, posted at 24.11.09 11:34:13 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 105) : also thought about them but they will fall short on the requirement of not playing for another country before :sad:

  • Comment 106, posted at 24.11.09 11:43:22 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 103) :
    Very important to be happy at work.

  • Comment 107, posted at 24.11.09 12:07:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 106) :
    The scouts were sleeping. ;-)

  • Comment 108, posted at 24.11.09 12:08:54 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 108) : also can’t say that playing for Polish national team would give them lots of exposure ;-)

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