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Plumtree’s balancing act


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 25 Nov 2009 at 10:58

Noises coming out of the Sharks camp seem to indicate that an almost seismic shift in selection policy will be on the cards for the 2010 Super 14. John Plumtree, with his back to the wall after his “chosen ones” failed to deliver any silverware in 2009 looks set to make “competition for places” his new mantra, in a move sure to ruffle more than a few feathers.

The Sharks coach is understood to be playing for his life in the upcoming Super 14; the Sharks’ tame capitulation when the crunch came in both the Super 14 and Currie Cup have really hit the bottom line, with the early Currie Cup exit in particular estimated to have cost the Union somewhere in the region of R10 million. A home Super 14 final, which at one stage looked very much on the cards, would have brought in at least 50% more than that, I’m sure. Fans are not loving the Sharks’ brand of rugby at the moment, as the low attendance in the recent Currie cup semi-final will attest.

Now, the latest theory doing the rounds is that far too many of the Sharks’ established players have slipped into a comfort zone – the term “prima donnas” has been used and the thinking seems to be that a lack of real competition within the squad has led to certain players feeling that they cannot be dropped. Further to this, there are some who seem to think that they have a God-given right to the jersey and will threaten to leave should they ever be dropped. The malaise seems pretty widespread, especially amongst the “Springbok core” of the team, players including Beast Mtawarira, Bismarck and Jannie du Plessis, Johann Muller, Ryan Kankowski, Ruan Pienaar, Adrian Jacobs and Odwa Ndungane. Very few of the aforementioned should really be satisfied with the contributions they have made to the Sharks cause in 2009, yet without suitable backups in place, there has seemingly been very little option but to persevere with them. These players are, of course, eating up a sizable chunk of the Sharks player budget and one cannot really blame the Union for wanting to get heir money’s worth.

That said, the frustration amongst the “next tier” is palpable and having spoken to a number of these players, I can understand their position. These are the guys that bust a gut at training and would literally die for just one opportunity to pull the jersey over their heads. We all saw how marked the improvement was in Monty Dumond’s play once afforded the benefit of a few consecutive starts at flyhalf. He’s pragmatic, though and knows that his best chance of regular Super 14 exposure is to move to the Cheetahs. Lwazi Mvovo, Charl McLeod and Mike Rhodes are further examples of fringe players showing their worth when given the opportunity, only to be later discarded for out-of-form regulars. Others, like Justin Downey, Nqubeko Zulu and Warren Whiteley have never even been afforded an opportunity, despite the established loose forward mix being palpably not up to the job.

So, Plumtree has now apparently thrown the gauntlet down to his favourites and there will no doubt be wailing and gnashing of teeth aplenty as established applecarts are upset. What, exactly, has changed, though, in terms of the squad makeup in order to make this now possible? If anything, it would appear far weaker this year, as a number of promising youngsters (as well as Frans Steyn) have left. There have been three acquisitions to date, although two of them could still be scuppered by the legal process. In addition to that, a fair few of 2009’s impressive crop of Under 21s have been elevated to the senior ranks.

In the forwards, we’ve always had good depth in the front row and the John Smit saga notwithstanding, that should still be the case in 2009, with plenty good loosehead options and a fair few on the other side as well. Craig Burden has emerged as a real contender at hooker, whilst we’ll be hoping that tighthead Wiehahn Herbst can get back onto the field quickly. The Sharks picked up a lot of front-row niggles last year and a fair few will persist into 2010, but by the time the Super 14 gets going in earnest, the cupboard should be pretty well stocked. Managing the du Plessis egos will be the biggest challenge, as always. In the second row, we’ve lost Albert van den Berg, but gained the injury-prone Gerhard Mostert. Al Hargreaves and Mike Rhodes will add options too, along with my pick of the youngsters, Jandre Marais. In the loose trio, the acquisition of Willem Alberts will keep both Ryan Kankowski and Jean Deysel on their toes, while Justin Downey, Rhodes and Luvo Lusaseni will all push hard too. Openside remains a challenge, with both Jacques Botes and Keegan Daniel needing a real challenger to force them to consistently raise their respective games. Perhaps a fit-again Skollie Ndlovu might be the man to do this, or keep an eye out for an ambitious youngster in Renaldo Bothma.

It’s at halfback that we’re going to be caught out again, I fear, with neither of the two leading scrumhalves having a good 2009 and Ross Cronje also not doing very much to advance his own claims. Charl Mcleod is the man who could leapfrog all the others if his 2009 form is anything to go on, but at flyhalf the options are again woefully thin. Juan Hernandez is yet to justify his massive salary, while Ruan Pienaar clearly doesn’t want to be a ten. Guy Cronje doesn’t look ready for the Super 14 either, so perhaps we might end up having to force Dumond to stay – always a recipe for disaster.

Centre is again a concern, with a number of youngsters expected to step up. Maties try machine Jean Stemmet and 2009 young player of the year Pat Lambie will both be centre options in the Super 14 squad, along with the established crew of Riaan Swanepoel, Waylon Murray, Adi Jacobs and Andries Strauss. Of those four, Swannie was the only one to enhance is reputation at all in 2009 and this is certainly one area where places are wide open. The back three has been strengthened by the acquisition of Louis Ludik – provided he manages to recover from his horrific knee injury – and here we can only hope that the likes of Mvovo and Luzuko Vulindlu continue to ask questions of the incumbents.

So what do you think, fans? Will Plumtree manage to successfully balance the demands of his established core, while still creating an atmosphere of competition in the squad and pride in the jersey? Or will this be another season fraught with unfulfilled ambitions – one which sees a large number of household names decide to consider other options in 2011?



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  • thanks Wes. Wow, I pulled a bit of a morné with this one

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.11.09 11:05:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • Difficult one this…

    Is the “clause” about game-time a truth with Prima Donna Twins?

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.11.09 11:08:42 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 2) : it would appear so when it comes to the younger one, at least

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.11.09 11:09:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) :

    I can’t believe the Sharks allowed themselves to be ‘dictated to’ like that.

    No individual is ever bigger than the team (except Luke of course) :twisted:

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.11.09 11:28:21 by wpw Reply
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  • Good I hope the ‘regulars’ are made to worry and that some of the youngsters can stand up and show there worth. I really hope the Sharks and Plum can manage the whole squad a lot better than last year.

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.11.09 11:30:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) :

    That might pose a bit of a problem..the fact that a player regards himself above the “team” and whats best for the team, by adding such a clause, is of big concern to me..

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.11.09 11:36:11 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • Rob,

    I will say it again.

    Pick the right captain and this shit in the Sharks camp will stop.

    The coach can only do so much, but you need a captain to lay down the law more than anyone else.

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.11.09 11:44:53 by Morné Reply
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  • This article has me very positive indeed. I would love to make the S14 semis and I’ll probably go on a year long party should they win! But I would consider the season a success if we can see a real effort to correct the mistakes of this season, and coming out with a team willing to perform every match for team and fans! Not to mention the creation of depth, so an injury is not going to blow the teams chances.

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.11.09 11:45:10 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • I have said it so many times you guys must be sick of hearing it, but it seems people just do not understand the importance of an effective leader in the team.

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.11.09 11:47:01 by Morné Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 6) : The biggest concern for me in that scenario, is the “management” allowing such a clause!

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.11.09 11:47:40 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 2) : are u talking about dups or cronjes – or are there more family ties? :roll:

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.11.09 11:48:46 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 9) :

    So do you think the Stormers might miss Luke Watson’s leadership qualities??

    I mean, Afkophoender is not a great leader imo. :roll:

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.11.09 11:50:05 by wpw Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 8) : now that buying these tickets is on the cards – semis are very important – we need to get our money worth :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.11.09 11:52:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 12) :

    I have absolutely no doubt.

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.11.09 11:53:51 by Morné Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 11) :

    Dups

    @Morné (Comment 7) :

    I am not for one second doubting you on this – but if the clause like the one I am discussing is there, what can a Captian do, however good he is. Unless he can sway them to “forget” about it. But putting such a clause in your contract in the first place, I have the idea that type of person will not fall for the good Captains ideas anyway..

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.11.09 11:54:06 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 13) : Oh very true, forgot that! Okai change statement :mrgreen: they have to make the semis for me to be satisfied

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.11.09 11:54:29 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 15) :

    Words printed on paper has no power against the ability for a captain to pull his team together.

    What you must get rid of is ego’s, either by them dropping them or releasing them to leave.

    You either fit into a team setup, or you fail as individuals.

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.11.09 12:04:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 15) :

    John is his cappie in the Bok side isn’t he??

    Or I am lost and don’t understand your comment (which is more then likely the case) :roll:

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.11.09 12:08:03 by wpw Reply
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  • if this the case, wouldn’t axing johan as captain be the first warning to players that if you don’t step up you get dropped. muller let the team down horribly this year with his handling of referees and poor ability to rally the troops when they were down. a good manager cleans from the top down, not vice versa.

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.11.09 12:15:30 by try time Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 17) :

    I am with you. But read my question again. If such a clause mattered most to a player in the first place, will he really go with his Captian? (and we both know that John surely has the ability)..I do not know if Diva Dup has the integrity / inselfishness…

    If he gets dropped – we might have a ugly fight on hands and that would make matters worse…somehow my 6th sense say, he is not gonna take being dropped for the the teams benefit lying down and say yeas and amen..

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.11.09 12:16:30 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 18) :

    I think its a clause in his Sharks contract – not the Bok Contract..ubderstand now, or should I draw you a picture? :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.11.09 12:18:48 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 21) :

    hehehe

    Wiedjy!! :roll:

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.11.09 12:28:35 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 22) :

    Ek wiet, ja…questions is…wiedjy? :lol:

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.11.09 12:45:40 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • good article rob, im not so sure if plum is doing the right thing here, i tend to agree with morne in that we need a good captain, and it would also be good to have a former player/coach to come in and give a really big pep talk, this team is going nowhere quickly

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.11.09 13:14:32 by war1 Reply
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  • rob, you did not mention the fullback position, is that for any reason other than forgetfullness?

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.11.09 13:15:46 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 25) : Fullback should be OK. Oupa, Louis Ludick Pat Lambie and even Hernandez and Odwa can play fullback.

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.11.09 13:26:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : I actually think the Odwa is not fast enough for a wing anymore, maybe he should be looking to move to FB. Like Terra.

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.11.09 13:37:19 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 27) : To be honest I don’t see space for Odwa in the Sharks starting 15 anymore

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.11.09 13:40:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 28) : I play Louis Ludick at wing should be officially join the Sharks

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.11.09 13:42:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 28) : yeah, but I feel sorry for him he has been so reliable for so long for the Sharks. I know I am letting emotions do my thinking :oops:

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.11.09 13:59:46 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 30) :

    I’ll sort that out for you…Do you want the Sharks to win or not?? see easy.. :twisted:

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.11.09 14:13:56 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 30) : @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 31) : In the words of Metalica ‘sad but true’ ;-)

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.11.09 14:22:29 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 31) : All sorted! :lol:

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.11.09 14:25:04 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 32) : :smile:

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.11.09 14:26:02 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : and ruan :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.11.09 14:27:15 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 30) :

    @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 31) :
    tickets tickets ;-)

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.11.09 14:28:47 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 35) : Ruan just needs a ‘one time slap upside the head’ :roll:

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.11.09 14:32:34 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 33) :

    I should work with people… :wink:

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.11.09 14:35:25 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 36) :

    Do yo uby any chance get commission?? :lol:

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.11.09 14:37:38 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 37) : could be helpful :roll:

    @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 39) : nooop :sad:

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.11.09 14:43:19 by rekinek Reply
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  • Okay – Who watched Chuck last night? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.11.09 14:49:00 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 41) : Not me. can’t actually remember what I watched last night :(

    But now the night before I watched the amazing race and its the first time that my favorites won the comp. Normally I just get my kicks when the ones I absolutely despise get eliminated, this time I had that and the excitement of the team I was backing to actually win. Oh boy my life sounds soooooo boring :???:

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.11.09 14:54:10 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 2) : had it checked by a reporter i know officially not in the contract but it might be an unwritten clause It might be a mute point though cos if DR Tim has his way and i think he will they will only play 500 mins each this year

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.11.09 14:55:12 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 43) : pressed the butoon too soon s
    It will mean 8 starts each for the sharkboks plus the tri nations and incomming tours but no currie cup unless they are proving fitness from an injury

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.11.09 14:57:52 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 43) : @Fattmann (Comment 44) : that sounds very little.

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.11.09 15:02:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 44) : Thank you that is what I thought. When the rumour first came out, VanZyl and Plum vehemently refuted that clause.

    I found it strange that the Sharks would have allowed such a clause, and then Plummers insist that the players have to play for their jerseys.

    Besides this year I think both will get plenty game time as they have to be rested in preparation of WC.

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 43) : @Fattmann (Comment 44) :

    We’re talkin Sharks Contract here?

    @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 42) :

    Too much redwine? ;-)

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.11.09 15:05:46 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 47) : :lol:

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.11.09 15:10:07 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 43) : in fact if you divide 500 by 80mins of each game they would only be able to play full 6 games and 20 min.

    is this 500 min applicable only to sharks or entire year ?

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.11.09 15:10:36 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 41) : Chuck who?

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.11.09 15:10:52 by McLovin Reply

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  • I have put together a squad based upon what I know and we will be fine
    The Odwa debate I think like Umanga he should move to outside centre he has great hands and not a bad boot either His one on one defence is great.
    So here goes nothing
    15 Oupa/Ludik/Odwa
    14 Odwa/Richards /Zuks/Ludik
    13 Murray/Stemmert/Lambie/Odwa
    12 AD/Riaan
    11 JP/Movo
    10 JMH/Guy/Ruan/Dumond
    09 Ruan/Kockitt/Ross/McLeod
    08 Kanko/Alberts/Luvo Lusaseni
    07 Wolla/Rhodes/Tamojelo
    06 Botes/Daniel/Skollie/
    05 Hargreaves/Muller
    04 Sykes/Grobbalaar
    03 Smitty/Janie/Herbst/SURPRISE
    02 Biz/Burden/Kyle/Smitty
    01 Beast/Deon/Redlinghuis/Cilliers

    We need another centre and maybe one other player

  • Comment 51, posted at 25.11.09 15:14:53 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 50) :

    Chuck man!! The Intersect… :roll:

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.11.09 15:16:41 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 49) : conditions apply to sharkboks the 500 mins clause also to bullboks i nearly typed bollox but i controlled myself all boks who are in the 2011 frame

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 47) : yep

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 52) : Man van Intersek? Wish I could go invisible every now and again. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 25.11.09 15:22:18 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 51) : I am sure you meant Mostert and not Grobelaar ;)

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  • @McLovin (Comment 55) :

    Oe jinne…ken jy nie vir Chuck nie..

  • Comment 57, posted at 25.11.09 15:24:37 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 53) : I think what Rekinek meant and that is something I also would like to know are the 500 mins only to S14 or does that include SB matches in which the Boks would play in.

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 53) : So all the main bokke to play only 500 min for their provinces?

  • Comment 59, posted at 25.11.09 15:25:01 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 57) : Nee, sorry. More of a Discovery/Nat Geo channel type. :oops:

  • Comment 60, posted at 25.11.09 15:26:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • Chuck rhymes with a few dirty words. :twisted:

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 58) : exactly . thanx Dudette

  • Comment 62, posted at 25.11.09 15:27:19 by rekinek Reply
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  • Buck Rodgers, now there was a good show. :cool:

  • Comment 63, posted at 25.11.09 15:28:45 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 63) :

    Chuck (Charles) Bartowski..brilliant show..go google it on wikipedia. Its a no brainer relaxer…

    @McLovin (Comment 61) :

    Hey!

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 51) : One glaring problem in that squad is a decent fetcher :roll:

  • Comment 65, posted at 25.11.09 15:41:48 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 63) :

    I see Adam Lambert’s CD is available…I heard he made such marakas on some awards show! :mrgreen: Pulled a reverse Britney/Madonna stunt..

  • Comment 66, posted at 25.11.09 15:42:24 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 63) : giving away your age again ;-)

  • Comment 67, posted at 25.11.09 15:43:32 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 65) :

    i am not going to repeat myself AGAIN…no I am…Brussouw!!

  • Comment 68, posted at 25.11.09 15:44:05 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 64) : I thinks my wife watches it. Will ask her for the low down on Chuck. :smile:

  • Comment 69, posted at 25.11.09 15:44:20 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 66) : Ice now that you mention cds. Pleeeeeeeease could you e-mail me the words about Piet Van Zyl and the pole dancer, was telling my husband and wanted to give him the words. Pretty please.

  • Comment 70, posted at 25.11.09 15:45:15 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 66) : Will have to google him quickly. :oops:

  • Comment 71, posted at 25.11.09 15:46:04 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 66) : Looks like it was quite a performance. :shock: Good for him. :cool: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 72, posted at 25.11.09 15:47:38 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 60) : @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 58) : 500 mins sharksboks in S14 no Currie cup unless need to prove they have recovered from injury
    Diff from the AB in 2007 and they were undone by the lack of match play 2011 they will be ready

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 67) : :mrgreen: I ‘arrived’ in SA before tv did. Only just though. :lol:

  • Comment 74, posted at 25.11.09 15:49:09 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 73) : Thanks. Good for the Boks, but not so good for the guy paying their salaries I suppose.

  • Comment 75, posted at 25.11.09 15:50:39 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 73) : Great thanx Fattmann, so that means that our boks would be able to play 60 mins of 8 games or 6 full games in the S14, and then all the Games for the Boks. Sounds fair to me.

  • Comment 76, posted at 25.11.09 15:52:43 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 70) :

    Sure!

  • Comment 77, posted at 25.11.09 15:53:23 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 77) : Thank you kindly :grin:

  • Comment 78, posted at 25.11.09 15:55:20 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 56) : yes me and names!!!!@Pokkel (Comment 65) : Watch out for Skollie and maybe a change in style for one of the other 2

  • Comment 79, posted at 25.11.09 15:56:25 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 51) : SURPRISE?

    Thabo Mamojele is playing for the Lions this year, but you can add Justin Downey in there as 6 and 7.

    Also, Redelinghuys is a 3. Dale Chadwick is the 1. And there’s Burra Mthethwa as well

  • Comment 80, posted at 25.11.09 15:58:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 74) : :mrgreen: wonder whether auntie google will help with calculating this one

  • Comment 81, posted at 25.11.09 16:02:31 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 76) : guess the Bulls can kiss their trophy goodbye. This may just play into the Sharks hands, seeing as our fringe players are currently better than our Boks :)

  • Comment 82, posted at 25.11.09 16:02:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 79) :don’t worry, but just for a minute the Sharks had poached yet another Lion :lol:

  • Comment 83, posted at 25.11.09 16:04:02 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) : Rob!!!! :twisted: You know what we discussed about predictions! :lol:

  • Comment 84, posted at 25.11.09 16:05:28 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 81) : 1976, I believe. The year before I was born

  • Comment 85, posted at 25.11.09 16:07:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) : And you know if our guys played to their potential like they did in the last game of the S14 (last game for the Sharks) our 1st XV is actually better then their 1st XV (except for 3 positions Locks and FDP and I would argue that Ruan before he was messed around was actually better than FDP) :)

  • Comment 86, posted at 25.11.09 16:08:31 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 74) : “Despite being the most economically advanced country on the continent, South Africa was among the last countries in Africa to introduce television broadcasting to its population.”

  • Comment 87, posted at 25.11.09 16:09:25 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) :

    Geez you guys are STOKOUD!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 88, posted at 25.11.09 16:13:32 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 87) : Thanks to our enlightened government at the time. :twisted:

  • Comment 89, posted at 25.11.09 16:14:39 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) : fortunately my research was completed by the time I read tjis post – so the satisfaction of the successful investigation is all mine :mrgreen:

  • Comment 90, posted at 25.11.09 16:18:44 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 84) : OH SHIT. Sorry.

    Sharks still aren’t going to make the semis. Bulls have enough depth to win it with their third team. After all, their third team is full of Springboks… (stir)

  • Comment 91, posted at 25.11.09 16:22:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) : nononono no – i think it was said that it’s better if you do not make any regarding sharks. :lol:
    i’m quite sure you jinx ;-)

  • Comment 92, posted at 25.11.09 16:25:38 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 86) : ummm… hate to point out the obvious, but does anyone remember who won that game?

  • Comment 93, posted at 25.11.09 16:26:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 89) :
    “Television in Poland was introduced in 1937. It was state owned, and was interrupted by the Second World War in 1939. Television returned to Poland in 1951 and for several decades was controlled by the communist government. Colour television was introduced in Poland in 1971. Private television stations in Poland appeared around the time of the fall of communism, with PTV Echo becoming the first private station in Poland (and in the former Eastern Bloc).”

  • Comment 94, posted at 25.11.09 16:27:48 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 92) :

    Ja – just predict in the name of teh Bull.. :wink:

    Leave the decent squad out of it completely!

  • Comment 95, posted at 25.11.09 16:27:52 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 94) :

    I hope it was introduced WAY before your time and not a few years like rob and rachel!!

    Cheers!

  • Comment 96, posted at 25.11.09 16:29:28 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : its these Locks and FDP :mrgreen:

  • Comment 97, posted at 25.11.09 16:30:00 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) :
    I do, not us, but only because we were chasing the bonus point. Sharks were a classy team on that day.

  • Comment 98, posted at 25.11.09 16:30:25 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 96) : you mean the Polish one or South African :mrgreen:

    byeeeeeeeeeee

  • Comment 99, posted at 25.11.09 16:31:32 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 98) : i still haven’t seen that game. Shocking, I know!

  • Comment 100, posted at 25.11.09 16:43:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 100) : you’re missing out big time – the best try of the entire competition.

    but at the end huge disappointment.

  • Comment 101, posted at 25.11.09 16:52:56 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 101) : yesh – like watching a movie that you know has a shitty ending. Same reason I’ve never seen the Crying Game

  • Comment 102, posted at 25.11.09 17:40:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) : when i have confrimation Rob

  • Comment 103, posted at 25.11.09 17:45:07 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 102) : I didn’t know the ending when I watched that movie. :shock: :lol:

  • Comment 104, posted at 25.11.09 17:56:43 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 104) : Was a good movie though.

  • Comment 105, posted at 25.11.09 17:57:13 by McLovin Reply

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  • Thanks Rob for pointing out what we have been wanting to hear for a long time now.

    I also believe that there are way to many springboks in a comfort zone,
    the semi-final in the currie cup spoke for itself.
    As for Juan Hernandez, i surely hope he was just tired or drunk or whatever, cause for that amount of money we surely could have gotten a way-way better player.

    Is it just me or does Ruan Pienaar look like hes on sleeping pills on a permanent basis?, he always looks tired, confused and franctly looks like he doesint realy even want to play rugby. Maybe he should just go and play darts or something.

    Im realy glad that its now “do or die” for Plumtree cause lately ive been getting realy sick of all his excuses about guys not stepping up, guys being tired, injury problems, being tired, durban being to hot and humid bla bla bla warra warra…this time it better be the real
    deal!.

  • Comment 106, posted at 25.11.09 18:04:41 by The Shark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 98) : Not to be contrary, but it bothers me when supporters look at that game and want to use it as a blueprint for the future. Bottom line is that the Sharks exhibited zero tactical nous in the game. It is much easier to defend against a team that shows no variety in their play, the fact the Sharks were even in the game and scored 4 tries is more a testament to the fact the Sharks simply outclassed their opposite numbers in the one on one battles. The most successful Sharks teams have had 9s and 10s that were very skilled kicking from hand, setting the line away and running with the ball. This crap of running from everywhere was stupid and even in the game situation against the Bulls, it was stupid. If the Sharks had just varied their play in the slightest, they would have opened the game up, plus just kicking a few at goals would also have one the game.

    As far as I am concerned there is never a game situation where a team should be one dimensional. Whether it be playing defensively, 10 kicking every ball away, running every ball, 12 taking the ball back to the forwards the rare time the ball makes it that far, etc. At the top level, no team can be one dimensional and expect to win games, ever.

  • Comment 107, posted at 25.11.09 19:30:43 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • My big issue with Ruan’s play at 9 for the Sharks at the end of the CC was that he exhibited zero variety in his play. He passed pretty much every ball to his 10. No box kicks, no sniping runs, no linking up with the loosies, etc. The fact that Ruan has exhibited amazing skills in all these facets of his play in the past shows the classy player he is when confident.

  • Comment 108, posted at 25.11.09 19:34:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 107) : i also would be hesitant to treat this game as a blueprint – because the sharks lost.
    but what makes it “special” is that the sharks actually showed some inventiveness in creating tries and willingness, which they did not have much for the entire season. most of the tries were coming from turnovers or oppositions’ mistakes.

    yes in a way our standards got lowered somehow.

  • Comment 109, posted at 25.11.09 21:46:10 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 102) : which one is it?

  • Comment 110, posted at 25.11.09 21:47:14 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 102) : BTW – still good movie.

  • Comment 111, posted at 25.11.09 21:48:25 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 109) : The problem is the inventiveness creating tries was individualistic. Running the ball from one side of the field to the other while the forwards support in zones is no way to win a game. Why bother committing any players to the breakdown on defense? No reason to defend around the fringes, no need to cover kicks, just come up on a line and moer the ball carrier. The Sharks didn’t play to win, they just played to win a bonus point. No I took very little positive out of that game it was, to be quite honest, one of the worst games of rugby I have ever seen or been a part of.

  • Comment 112, posted at 25.11.09 22:53:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) : Now thats better :lol:

  • Comment 113, posted at 26.11.09 07:32:08 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : Yea, :cry: but by one point and if Rory had got the kick over we would have won it – We definitely played the better rugby

  • Comment 114, posted at 26.11.09 07:33:59 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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