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John Smit starts at hooker


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 26 Nov 2009 at 15:38
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Peter de Villiers has named his Springbok side to take on Ireland at Croke Park on Saturday. Captain John Smit will pack down at hooker with former provincial team mate BJ Botha getting a start in the number 3 jersey.

In a third change to the front row that struggled against Italy, Free State loosehead drops out of the match 22, replaced by another Shark, Beast Mtawarira. Bismarck du Plessis and CJ van der Linde are the front-row options on the bench, having both recovered from the injuries that kept them out of the Italian game. Schalk Burger comes back into the number 7 jersey, with Danie Rossouw taking over from Ryan Kankowski at number 8. The latter drops out of the squad, with Jean Deysel and the uncapped Dewald Potgeiter named as loose forwards on the bench.

The backs are more-or-less unchanged, with Wynand Olivier coming in at inside centre for the injured Adi Jacobs. Jean de Villiers is named with Ruan Pienaar as the only backline replacements this week.

15 Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Danie Rossouw, 7 Schalk Burger, 6 Heinrich Brussow, 5 Victor Matfield, 4 Bakkies Botha, 3 BJ Botha, 2 John Smit (c), 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Bismarck du Plessis, 17 CJ van der Linde, 18 Andries Bekker, 19 Jean Deysel, 20 Dewald Potgieter, 21 Ruan Pienaar, 22 Jean de Villiers



63 Comments

  • So gappy for Johno!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.11.09 15:52:21 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 1) : huuuuuuge can of worms now well and truly open. Let’s see what happens

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.11.09 15:54:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) :

    lets hope he makes the MOST of this one.. :grin:

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.11.09 15:55:24 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • Strange that JdV is on the bench and not in the starting 15. Suppose that WO needs to get a start sooner or later.

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.11.09 15:59:06 by LandShark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) :

    I reckon the exact opposite person (and his Boetie) that we thought might well head off to the Lions

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.11.09 16:04:51 by Morné Reply
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  • @LandShark (Comment 4) : why? He’s kak :)

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.11.09 16:08:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 5) :

    Spot the worry in MY eye.. :roll: :twisted:

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.11.09 16:11:47 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 7) :

    Hehe,

    This is a great team and one of the best benches I have seen in years.

    But I am off, cheers.

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.11.09 16:13:39 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 8) :

    You need to get that checked out…one of these days you gonna rot! Seems that you reach your expiration date on a daily basis :razz:

    Cheers

  • Comment 9, posted at 26.11.09 16:19:56 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 5) : hope you’re right

  • Comment 10, posted at 26.11.09 16:30:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • so Brendan’s Irish contract is up at the end of May. Wonder if an early release might be the surprise that fattmann was on about

  • Comment 11, posted at 26.11.09 16:45:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : we will have to see what happens, as the pawpaw heads for the fan, if strools sorts this situation out with smit and bissie staying, then he would accomplished something very good for the sharks, dont wanna see either player go, smit is the best captain in the world and bissie will be sorely needed when smit retires, i wonder if a loan agreement could happen :idea:

  • Comment 12, posted at 26.11.09 17:11:19 by war1 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : that would be nice :o

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.11.09 17:12:03 by war1 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : nice try but no matter what is fished out my comment is no comment

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.11.09 17:29:28 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 14) : so Hayman has been linked to two other SA franchises already…

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.11.09 18:26:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : True but how often will we be able to call upon JdV? The next time we are struck with an injury to midfield we might have a problem. He needs to get game time at this level.

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.11.09 20:30:43 by LandShark Reply

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  • Olivier?? :shock:

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.11.09 21:39:27 by wpw Reply
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  • I had the oppertunity to see Jacobs lastnite at our club’s pre-season training session, what a moment, so much kuddo’s for a player that does not forget his roots :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.11.09 07:50:06 by Charlie Reply

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  • I cannot believe everyone whant to see Bissie leaving the Sharks. Even the Kiwis (who no player is good enough unless he wears the fern on his jersey) are saying that Bismarck is the best hooker in the world. The Bull fans also state that they fear Bissie more than John. This is going to be a Frans Steyn thing. Fine let him go who whants him, then he goes and everyone cries crocodile tears that he should never have been let go. And all this because of a rumour of a clause in a contract that player, agent and Sharks CEO have denied exists :evil: After 2011 when John retires then what then for the Sharks? Craig Burden? Come I rate the guy but he is nowhere near the class of Bismarck or John for that matter. John is close to be history while Bissie is the future.

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.11.09 07:51:34 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 19) : It’s not just about talent… he’s poisonous to team morale, from what I’ve heard

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.11.09 09:35:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 19) : There are two things that Bissie needs to do before you can even, in all seriousness, compare him to John Smit. Number one, sort out his temper, stop letting it control his actions on the field, be a professional at all times on the field. Right now, he often loses it on the field. Second he needs to learn to scrum with proper technique and stop relying on his strength. Fine at lower levels but gets shown up at Super 14 and international level. Now lets look at what hookers are expected to do on the field, scrum, lineout throws, hitting rucks and mauls, carrying the ball, playing a looser role than the props and playing to the ground (stealing the ball). Smit is better than Bissie at every one of these except the last two. So, sorry Dudette, Bissie is nowhere near the level John Smit is, not even close. And that does not even take the captaincy into account.

    Other than that, Bissie has age on his side, that’s it.

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.11.09 11:33:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Good team, Pity JDV wasn’t included asap. But then maybe WO needs a chance to prove he isn’t more than a provincial player

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.11.09 11:35:53 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 22) : damn right.

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.11.09 11:39:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 21) : But Dancing Bear I am not comparing him to JS, I have long since accepted that in some crucial aspects JS is better not least of them his captaincy whether official or not least of them. I am comparing him to Craig Burden. While JS is with the SHarks all is well, we have JS then Bissie and then Craig who although is coming on by leaps and bounds he is not in the other twos league. and since I am not one to go on “potential” if Bissie had to leave that would to me, Place the Sharks in the same situation they now find themselves in at centre. Where we lost Barritt and his replacements leave a huge gap in the Sharks lineup. No Charlie I am not anti Adi, just prefered him at 13.

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.11.09 11:41:03 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 24) : I see what you’re saying, it was just your comment that the NZers think Bissie is best in world and Bulls think he is better than John. Nothing to back either up. Smit is the best hooker in the world and he is better than Bissie. I really wish he would lose a bit of the big head, and realize that even he, the great Bissie, has something to learn about rugby. He scrums much too high, and unless he is scrumming against a much smaller hooker he will never succeed scrumming like that. I have a friend that went to school with Jannie and Bissie, and said Bissie is very stuck up. By the way, Tiaan Liebenberg was also at Grey Bloem around the same time, and from what my friend said was one of the best all around athletes he had ever seen, a superb cricketer as well, and one of the nicest okes as well. Maybe we should let Bissie go and try to get Liebenberg. :wink:

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.11.09 11:50:32 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 25) : Sorry when I stated about the Kiwis and Bulls, I was just trying to say that its not just me who sees Bissie is talented, but rereading it I can see that it reads like I was comparing John and Bissie. Bringing Liebenberg is an excellent idea. I just believe if you are to let a Good player go you need to replace with the same class player or a better player!
    I am reading a lot about Bissie being stuck up, must say I am rather surprised, cause I have chatted with him after games, and he was always very genteel and willing to chat with us, Jannie too he was always friendly. So I have to say that I have always thought of him as friendly.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.11.09 12:49:06 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 26) : Ja, but you’re a beautiful woman, of course he is going to be friendly to a beautiful woman! :grin:

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.11.09 13:18:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 27) : Oh you really know what to say :) Well you have brightened my day!

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.11.09 13:27:33 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 28) : I am glad to have had the opportunity. :smile:

    But let me add, my post might seem to indicate I don’t think much of Bissie, that is not the case at all. I mean John Smit is John Smit, who may well go down as the greatest captain and hooker in Springbok history, maybe in world rugby. Bissie is incredibly talented and almost a freak of an athlete. It is not surprising that he is better than any other hooker in the world in the more athletic facets of hooker play (loose play and playing to ground). The facets that require training, hard work as well as athleticism is where he is lacking. His scrumming technique is poor, his lineout throws are not as consistent as they should be (although he is streets better in this than he was two years ago), he hits rucks to high when clearing and runs too upright. Now, the good news in all this is that all this can be learned. If Bissie were to put his head to it, and concentrate on always being very low when making contact and his scrumming, he would be the best hooker in the world by a lot.

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.11.09 13:34:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I don’t necessarily believe his attitude is poisonous to the team like Rob does, however, as a young player in the team dynamic, he can get away with the youthful petulance, but Bissie is now becoming a senior member of the Sharks squad and really needs to start setting a better example.

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.11.09 13:37:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I really like the look of the Bok team and the most balanced reserves in a long time. The Boks should be able to regain some energy for this game and if the Irish media can’t motivate the Boks nothing can….Boks by 8 :cool:

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.11.09 13:44:49 by Pokkel (The Boks to make the Irish Cry) Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 30) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 29) : Agree with you. And I have learnt something new as well iro scrumming I will be watching more attentively this weekend at both John and Bissie.

    You know this is what I love about the blog, before I discovered it, I loved rugby and thought I understood it well, then on the blog you get to really learn the game – being a girl with a traditional mother I could not play rugby – and my passion for the game has only got more, and its fun learning something new and when watching the game you get to look at that and assimilate the information.

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.11.09 13:46:32 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 32) : As long as you don’t learn from Ice :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.11.09 13:51:32 by Pokkel (The Boks to make the Irish Cry) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (The Boks to make the Irish Cry) (Comment 33) : Hope your insurance is up to date and all your affairs are well tied up, for I believe Ice may be coming at you with her camos on ready for war :|

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.11.09 13:58:06 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 34) : Will and Life cover all up to date(I am a Financial Advisor after all) ;-)

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.11.09 14:27:30 by Pokkel (The Boks to make the Irish Cry) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (The Boks to make the Irish Cry) (Comment 35) : Thank goodness for that, but I see Ice is absent today, so you may come out of this unscathed after all :razz:

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.11.09 14:43:17 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 32) : we are lucky to have DB’s insights here, because there are few others who understand the intricacies of front-row play as well as he does.

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.11.09 14:52:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • Look at how both the Aussie and NZ front rows set up and watch how the SA front rows set up. Very different, and something worth looking at. In the case of the Australasians, the hooker sets up slightly in front of the props and in a very low crouched position and don’t even lift their arms. The props come from behind and duck under the arms of the hooker, even further lowering their start position, the hooker is also slightly forward of the props. This position allows the hooker to get their head under the oppo hookers chest and from there can drive up, this is where the oppo hooker will generally pop up. In the case of the SA teams, the front row sets up in a line, with the hooker standing straight upright and lifting his arms over his head so his props can just stand next to him and bind. The SA front rows only crouch at the command of referee and lean on their own second row waiting for the command.

    My opinion is that the SA front rows never actually get as low as their australasian counterparts on the hit because they set up too high. In the case of a very big and tall hooker like John Smit, especially when he is scrummaging with shorter props like BJ, he is set up slightly forward of his props and is in a good position to counteract the head out position of the oppo hooker. Also, John really crouches low on the crouch command. It has been a long time since I have watched John pack down regularly at hooker, but I believe he used to also set up lower than most other SA hookers. Bissie sets up very upright, head back, shoulders back, chest out and legs straight. I would much rather see him set up with knees quite bent, head down, shoulders forward, and butt low.

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.11.09 15:12:16 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : That we are indeed. And its also put in language that a dummy who has only recently learned not to swap 1 and 3 could understand.

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.11.09 15:13:27 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 38) : Okai printed this will be watching with eagle eyes on Saturday. Are the ABs Vs Frogs playing at the same time as the boks? I may need to tape it, so will compare the two.

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.11.09 15:19:53 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • I was always taught to set up like the SA front rows do, but I think that is more “old school” now. I think the Aussies and Kiwis have it right now. In the past hookers tended to be shorter than their props, so perhaps the “old school” setup works for that. Nowadays, with much taller hookers, front row technique should be much different. The Argies always used to have a very big and usually tall hooker who was the central point of pressure in the front rwo, where as a shorter hooker is much more dependent on his props as the central point of pressure. This is also why I have always said that Burden is in a difficult position trying to learn to scrum at hooker from John, Bissie or even Skipper. All are pretty tall and Craig’s scrumming technique is going to have to be different than theirs.

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.11.09 15:20:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I like when John Smit plays hooker with BJ and Beast. Both are shorter than John, which forces him to pack down even lower. Definitely watch Bissie if he comes on though, he is very upright when he sets up.

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.11.09 15:23:17 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • One good thing about having Bissie backing up John at Hooker is that both are tall hookers, so the front row technique does not need to change when the replacement hooker comes on. In the case of Gary Botha, the front row had to scrum very differently when he come on the field, and the same is the case with Burden coming on for either John or Bissie.

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.11.09 15:27:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) : and he SHOULD already have moved into John Allan’s spare room, to spend every waking moment learning at the master’s knee…

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.11.09 15:28:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (The Boks to make the Irish Cry) (Comment 35) : there is a Polish saying : A cobbler walks without shoes ;-)

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.11.09 15:29:41 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : :wink: I think I may have mentioned that when they first moved him to hooker. Burden is a superb athlete, so I am sure with the right coaching he will learn the technique. He is a strong boy as well.

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.11.09 15:30:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Scrumming demystified by Dancing Bear……available at popular News agents countywide from 28 November 2009. First copy signed and send to Gary Gold. 2nd copy to Plumtree. :mrgreen: No exports allowed.

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.11.09 15:33:17 by Pokkel (The Boks to make the Irish Cry) Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 46) : I’m sure you’re right. I recall we did have the discussion and I’m pretty sure you mentioned it to me, rather than vice versa :)

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.11.09 15:37:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (The Boks to make the Irish Cry) (Comment 47) : send all the f*cking copies to Gary bloody overrated Gold. :)

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.11.09 15:37:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • SA 97/0 in 16.2 Overs

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  • Smith 50 from 50 balls. :cool:

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.11.09 15:41:34 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Pokkel (The Boks to make the Irish Cry) (Comment 47) : who is the best scrum coach in the land right now? Tempted to say Os, but he’s only just started and he’s never struck me as a big “thinker”. I’ve always had a huge amount of respect for Balie Swart’s work. Hell, maybe it’s a drawback to be a thinker when it comes to scrum work (no offence, DB!) because I just don’t see the more cerebral types like Gold actually adding anything.

  • Comment 52, posted at 27.11.09 15:42:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : The Cheetah scrum looked good…but how good was the opposition???

  • Comment 53, posted at 27.11.09 15:45:59 by Pokkel (The Boks to make the Irish Cry) Reply
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  • I think perhaps the way the Australasians are scrumming may have been somewhat taken from the famed Argentinian “Bajada” scrum. With this technique, the pressure is directed through the hooker and not the props. One difference which only the Argies do is the locks bind with their outside arm around the props him instead of between his legs. I think this helps square the props shoulders and focus the pressure on the hooker. Here are some bullet points from Sergio Espector, a Level 3 coach from Argentina:

    * Props bind strongly on the hooker below the armpits, and the hooker binds on the props in the same way
    * Hooker’s feet in line
    * Props’ internal foot in line with the hooker’s feet, and external foot a little bit backward
    * Hooker determines the right distance between packs
    * At referee’s signal to engage crouch and drive forward
    * Never enter diagonally or across the opponent
    * Heads should be in contact with the chest of the opponent
    * The push must be FORWARD

    Notice outside leg of props is behind the hooker, which shifts prop’s body position behind the hooker. Also hooker determines the right position, like the Australasians, Hooker sets up in a crouch and props come from behind.

  • Comment 54, posted at 27.11.09 15:47:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 54) : Also, notice head in contact with “chest” of oppo, not shoulders, getting the head under the chest of the oppo allows a front row to do what the BOk front row did to the Lions in the first test, first half.

    Also, the drive is a three point cadence, drop….squeeze….drive. On the drop all eight players bend their knees to at least a 90 degree angle. On the squeeze, all eight players inhale and tighten their bind. On drive, all eight players exhale strongly at the same time and drive straight forward (this is key) WITHOUT moving their feet. Nobody moves a foot until the oppo is going backwards. If needed the three point cadence is repeated until the oppo capitulates.

  • Comment 55, posted at 27.11.09 15:53:04 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Didn’t the Sharks win a penalty try from a 5 metre scrum where they destroyed the oppo so badly the only option was a penalty try? If I am not mistaken there were are at least two or three 5 metre attacking scrums during the CC where the Sharks dismantled the oppo, and if I am not mistaken it was the Lions and Bulls they did this to.

  • Comment 56, posted at 27.11.09 15:55:43 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 55) : yeah, because the moment you start moving your feet, your power is gone. Makes sense.

    Physics is actually quite simple

  • Comment 57, posted at 27.11.09 15:56:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : It really is….. pure horse power (strength) can overcome a lot (according to physics bumble bees should not fly, but if you can flap your wings several hundred times a second, it overcomes a lot). Unfortunately Bissie depends on this.

  • Comment 58, posted at 27.11.09 15:59:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Okai guys thank you very much for this interesting afternoon. Now you know that this weekend I will be watching the scrum with eagle eyes, will report back on Monday.

    Must go and fetch my brats. And so I bid you all good bey and wish you all a very good weekend!

    Go Bokker, Wales and Frogs!

  • Comment 59, posted at 27.11.09 16:08:12 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 59) : Go Bokke :oops:

    Bey all!

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 59) : have a great weekend :)

  • Comment 61, posted at 27.11.09 16:08:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 59) : Cheers Dudette :smile:

  • Comment 62, posted at 27.11.09 16:10:02 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Beast seemed to have learned the lessons of driving straight forward well. When Vickery had to scrum in to support his weaker and shorter hooker in the first test, Beast monstered him by driving straight forward, but because Vickery was angled in, Beast was able to drive Vickery backwards with his outside shoulder (left shoulder).

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