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Botha keen on SA return


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Springboks on 27 Nov 2009 at 09:43
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Former Sharks prop BJ Botha would appear to be interested in a return to South Africa, based on a renewed ambition to represent the Boks at the 2011 World Cup.

In an interview with Keo, Botha confirmed that his current contract with Irish side Ulster comes to an end in May next year and he realises that in order to feature more prominently in the Bok coach’s plans, he’ll need to be playing his rugby in South Africa.

No further details have emerged at this stage about exactly where Botha would play and whether any negotiations are currently underway, but I’m sure the Sharks would be his first choice, since he’s a born and bred Durban boy and still has strong links to the area. We’ll keep you posted if any further information comes to light.

Come home, BJ. We’d love to have you back in the black and white.



184 Comments

  • is there something important happening today that I don’t know about? Where is everyone? :)

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.11.09 10:38:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • I hope Rassie has heard the news!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.11.09 10:40:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : Maybe the Mayans were wrong. :wink:

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.11.09 10:42:08 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) :

    It is Eid today. Maybe the majority on SW decided to become muslim for one day!! ;-)

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.11.09 10:47:47 by wpw Reply
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  • So BJ and CJ are looking to return, yo Mr Erasmus!!!

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.11.09 11:01:31 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 4) :

    With the way the Sharks are performing would it surprise you if their supporters are turning to religion? :twisted:

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.11.09 11:01:48 by Morné Reply
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  • Maybe they are at Willa’s place, amusing themselves following the live chat.

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.11.09 11:07:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • At least there’ll be cricket later on to keep us entertained. :roll:

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.11.09 11:11:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 6) :
    And to what do the already religeous turn?

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.11.09 11:15:06 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 8) : Rob will be chuffed.

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.11.09 11:16:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 9) : Alcohol. :twisted:

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.11.09 11:18:10 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 7) : OUCH :)

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.11.09 11:19:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 6) :

    hehehe :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.11.09 11:22:41 by wpw Reply
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  • CJ to Stormers, BJ to Sharks, Jannie to Lions? Makes sense.

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.11.09 11:26:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Is Carstens staying or going?

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.11.09 11:36:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 5) : +1

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.11.09 11:38:24 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 15) : I assume he’s still around for the Super 14. Haven’t heard anything to contradict that

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.11.09 11:43:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 16) : I thought Brok Harris was the best tighthead in the country these days?

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.11.09 11:44:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : well, I guess he is, since BJ, CJ and WP Nel are currently in Europe :)

    Willa will pop in and tell me that I’m doing Kevin Buys a disservice, of course…

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.11.09 11:46:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 6) : and how are we performing, I haven’t seen the Sharks play since mid October :evil: besides I believe we still finished one log place above WP, didn’t we :evil:

    I was not praying, did that already ;) We were busy fighting management for our bonuses which they now do not whant to pay out :evil: very, very grumpy So NOONE p me off today! do you hear me Rob with all this nonsense of sending Bissie to the LIONS of all places :evil: ;)

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.11.09 11:48:04 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 20) : Oh my what a lot of smileys!

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.11.09 11:48:39 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 11) : Funny nuh :evil:

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.11.09 11:49:12 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 22) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.11.09 11:49:30 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 15) : Great make my day further! Deon Leaving? Please NO!

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.11.09 11:52:01 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : Then Jannie can go. :wink:

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.11.09 11:52:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 22) : Works for me. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.11.09 11:52:43 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 24) : I’m all with you on this one dudette! There were rumours to the effect Carstens was going to the Cape Town, but nothing ever official. Thank Goodness. I hope Deon is allowed to retire a Shark. I still think he is the best bench prop in SA (CJ edges him if he returns).

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.11.09 11:54:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 27) : Can’t WP breed their own props? I thought they had all these fancy smancy rugby schools there, now they have to try and buy our props :evil:

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.11.09 11:57:03 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 28) : I think it is more that the Western Cape has become somewhat of a retirement community for aging Sharks players like AJ :wink: just joking, but no, apparently WP can not breed their own props. I find it amazing some people are touting Blaauw for the Boks, when just this past June, when he came on for WP against the B&I Lions, he was penalized at every single scrum, yes, every time he packed down, he was penalized for putting his hand down, but somehow now he should be considered for the Boks. Carstens is 1000 times a better loosehead than Blaauw!

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.11.09 12:01:22 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • In addition, I can’t remember seeing Carstens do anything stupid on the field. Has he ever been given a yellow card?

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.11.09 12:03:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 26) : Then you’re on the wrong path my bru ;-)

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.11.09 12:05:42 by Charlie Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 11) : Or politics.

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.11.09 12:06:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 31) : Was wondering why all the traffic was going in the opposite direction. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.11.09 12:09:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 29) : Exactly, admitedly they had a good CC but lets see how they do now in S14.

    Have always rated Deon, he is loyal played the whole cc he had an injury, but valiantly played on till the Boks came back, only to see them drop their side and send all his good work to waste!

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.11.09 12:16:28 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 28) :

    Like Jannie came through the age group ranks in Durbs hey?? :twisted:

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.11.09 12:27:13 by wpw Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 29) :

    Only 1000 times??

    Thank goodness you not comparing him to Mujati!! :roll: ;-)

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.11.09 12:30:29 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 35) : was waiting for that :-)

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.11.09 12:32:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 35) : Thats why we are suggesting Jannie go to the Lions ;)

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.11.09 12:35:54 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : ;-)

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.11.09 12:47:26 by wpw Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 38) :

    Not a bad idea.

    I’m sure they will bring out the best in him like the Cheetahs did!! :twisted:

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.11.09 12:49:13 by wpw Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 38) : but you can’t have one without the other :-)

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.11.09 12:54:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 40) : Must you ALWAYS have the last word, don’t you know that the woman always has the last word, anything after that is the beginning of a new argument :evil:

    The only way he will get better at the Lions is ’cause he will have to fight his way to work every day ;-)

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.11.09 12:57:36 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : Its okai although my heart will break :cry: I will make that sacrifice. Besides DB came up with a good alternative, so I have already contacted Rudi to try and acquire Liebenberg for the Sharks ;)

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.11.09 12:58:47 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 43) : glad we could help :-)

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.11.09 13:07:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 42) : Unless the last word by the man is “I’m sorry you’re absolutely right.” :razz:

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.11.09 13:16:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 45) : Glad to see you know the rules of engagement ;)

    @robdylan (Comment 44) : :lol:

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.11.09 13:24:12 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 42) :

    WHy do you think I have to have the last word here??

    At home its the other way around I’m afraid… or else it is ‘houtlepel time’ :roll:

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.11.09 13:58:14 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 47) : :lol: Then I apologise :smile:

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.11.09 14:05:26 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 48) :

    No, I apologise!!! ;-)

    (I need to have the last word remember) :lol:

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.11.09 14:15:39 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 49) : :lol:

    Oh my day is definitely ending way better than it started :)

  • Comment 50, posted at 27.11.09 14:38:30 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 29) : That was JD Moller oh banana rummed up one

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.11.09 14:48:45 by provincejoulekkading Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 51) : Blaauw’s better than Moller, ne c’est pas?

  • Comment 52, posted at 27.11.09 14:54:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • SA 30/0 in 5 Overs

  • Comment 53, posted at 27.11.09 14:55:57 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 50) : you get your bonus? :)

  • Comment 54, posted at 27.11.09 14:59:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 51) : Damn, you’re right of course. :wink: Blaauw is definitely better than Moller.

  • Comment 55, posted at 27.11.09 15:02:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Did I tell you guys TGHMEA refuses to accept my friend request on FB.

    How weird is that??? :shock: :roll:

  • Comment 56, posted at 27.11.09 15:06:23 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 56) : who is TGHMEA :?: Are you sure you want to be his/her /it friend :?: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 57, posted at 27.11.09 15:09:38 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 50) : bu of course – a weekend starts on today’s ending :razz:

  • Comment 58, posted at 27.11.09 15:10:19 by rekinek Reply
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  • The Great Hard Man Eddie Andrews!!!

  • Comment 59, posted at 27.11.09 15:12:52 by wpw Reply
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  • but how rude of me :oops:

    should have started by saying

    Good Afternoon :razz:

  • Comment 60, posted at 27.11.09 15:13:28 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 59) : sounded like chemical formula :mrgreen:

  • Comment 61, posted at 27.11.09 15:14:18 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 54) : We don’t know anything yet. If we don’t I think we will be hitting the news, many are threatening to pen down. These are not normal bonuses these are Merit bonus so they were worked for. In many instences with overtime (for which we do not get paid but get conned with these merit bonuses) there is groot [email protected] here at the moment.

  • Comment 62, posted at 27.11.09 15:25:51 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 60) : Good Afternoon Rekinek, and it couldn’t start any earlier. Today really started on a :evil: note, but it got progressively better as I came on the blog.

  • Comment 63, posted at 27.11.09 15:29:35 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 56) : didn’t accept mine either, dude.

  • Comment 64, posted at 27.11.09 15:31:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 62) : there is a proviso in the LRA that if you earn over certain threshold you are not entitled to overtime.

  • Comment 65, posted at 27.11.09 15:34:16 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 65) : Yes but there are plenty here that are below that threshold. Some of our labourers take home what I spend on groceries, and they have done lots of overtime especially during the floods last year. Our bonuses work on financial years and were meant to have already been paid by June, its now the end of November and still have not been honored! As management at least come out and tell everyone the truth!

  • Comment 66, posted at 27.11.09 15:40:00 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 66) : Sorry just wanted to add this nonsense makes it really difficult for us at supervisory level. We are not high enough to get answers but have to answer to junior staff, who now refuse to do their assessements as they see it as a waste of time, and motivation is really low.

  • Comment 67, posted at 27.11.09 15:42:14 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 67) : oki – let me stop stirring then.
    tough being in the middle.

  • Comment 68, posted at 27.11.09 15:45:44 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 67) :
    I see a bright future for you as a shop steward.

  • Comment 69, posted at 27.11.09 15:52:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 69) : You think :) Not good at all I vent a lot but when someone goes Boo I am as meek as a lamb :( That is unless I am wearing his wedding ring ;)

  • Comment 70, posted at 27.11.09 16:10:10 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 69) : ay ay ay :roll:

  • Comment 71, posted at 27.11.09 16:10:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • Cheers all have a great weekend!

    Go Bokke, Wales and Frogs!

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 72) : cheeeriooo

  • Comment 73, posted at 27.11.09 16:23:41 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 56) : Yeah weird, the threats against my family were enough to get me to accept your friend request. :lol:

  • Comment 74, posted at 27.11.09 16:36:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) :
    What?, should I have said stewardess?

  • Comment 75, posted at 27.11.09 17:25:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 75) : correct. Nothing’s more important than manners! :-)

  • Comment 76, posted at 27.11.09 17:52:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 76) :
    Yeah, I forgot to say good day as well.

    Next week, I will be a good blogger.

    Cheers all, enjoy what could be a great rugby viewing weekend.

  • Comment 77, posted at 27.11.09 18:05:01 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 77) : have a good one dude

  • Comment 78, posted at 27.11.09 18:51:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : Hey Rob Story on IOL written by Gavin Rich-not that you can believe anything from him- this is Smitty’s last test and that he is hanging up his boots? any truth in that

  • Comment 79, posted at 28.11.09 12:27:47 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) :

    You and I are starting to think alike more and more!! it makes perfect sense to me too! :lol:

  • Comment 80, posted at 28.11.09 13:10:31 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • Never mind all that… What did i hear on the news about john smit and a hooker?

  • Comment 81, posted at 28.11.09 13:41:13 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 81) :

    :mrgreen:

    You need to have that hearing seen to! ;-)

  • Comment 82, posted at 28.11.09 13:48:13 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • Were is the eoyt post? Rob enjoying France too much?

  • Comment 83, posted at 28.11.09 14:41:12 by Rahul Reply

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  • We won the scrum but last the match, now what! My goodness the boks are so one dimensional that I was actually getting bored. All Morne, Zane and FDP did was aimlessly kick the ball to Kearney just so they could keep us pinned in our half giving away penalties at will :evil: We need a proper Flyhalf and soon!

  • Comment 84, posted at 30.11.09 07:50:26 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 84) :

    Hey there!! :wink:

    Morne Steyn just can’t get our backline away, he was useless!!! :evil:

  • Comment 85, posted at 30.11.09 08:22:52 by wpw Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 84) : Morne….from hero to zero in 3 matches…

  • Comment 86, posted at 30.11.09 08:23:33 by Pokkel (Rugby's over, back to fishing) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 85) : @Pokkel (Rugby’s over, back to fishing) (Comment 86) : Damn useless! Did nothing right, BOD waltzed past him at will and he couldn’t even do the only thing he is in the Boks for and that is get the ball over the posts! :evil: He is a one trick pony that has been worked out and found wanting.

  • Comment 87, posted at 30.11.09 08:43:56 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 87) : Oh dear and my manners have gone out the window – Good morning WPW and Pokkel :smile:

  • Comment 88, posted at 30.11.09 08:45:00 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 88) : Goeiemore Mevrou…. :grin:

  • Comment 89, posted at 30.11.09 08:54:01 by Pokkel (Rugby's over, back to fishing) Reply
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  • I hear Jamie Heaslip may be cited for eye gouging……I really hope he gets found out after the scene that the Irish made about the ‘dirty’ Boks :evil:

  • Comment 90, posted at 30.11.09 08:58:34 by Pokkel (Rugby's over, back to fishing) Reply
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  • I’m surprised Adi is not blamed for this weeks loss. :shock:

  • Comment 91, posted at 30.11.09 09:06:13 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 91) : :lol:

  • Comment 92, posted at 30.11.09 09:09:32 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Don’t worry still to come :evil:

  • Comment 93, posted at 30.11.09 09:13:12 by Charlie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 91) : It was Meisiekind’s fault, he dont like to pass a ball, just crashball :roll:

  • Comment 94, posted at 30.11.09 09:16:36 by Charlie Reply

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  • Well it looks like DeWet Barry will be playing for the Bulls for S14 – or at least that is what Keo sais.

  • Comment 95, posted at 30.11.09 09:34:33 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 95) :

    Oh dear!! :roll:

    What happened to all their youngsters that have been ‘coming through’ their Academy??

    I know Stefan Watermeyer is a decent centre?? WHy not give him an opportunity?? :|

  • Comment 96, posted at 30.11.09 09:42:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 96) : Precisely! Lets see them try and point fingures at WP or Sharks :shock:

  • Comment 97, posted at 30.11.09 09:47:47 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • After watching BJ played on sturday I dont care who gets him, just get the guy to play in SA.

  • Comment 98, posted at 30.11.09 12:23:17 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 87) : Bring Back Butch!

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 98) : best tighthead we’ve produced in 10 years, that boy. Funny that he needed to leave before we could see it.

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 99) : I heard he was wanting to come back to RSA, but aren’t his Knees croked?

  • Comment 101, posted at 30.11.09 14:45:44 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 97) : Hiya Dudette! Get to watch the front rows on Saturday? Good example of the different set up between Ireland and the Boks. Boks still using the old style Hooker upright, TH slightly in front of hooker and loosehead slightly behind hooker (the thought behind this is it turns the hooker slightly toward the scrumhalf on the put in). While Ireland set up with the hooker in a crouch and props coming in from behind and setting up just behind the hooker. BJ is so short he has no problem getting under his opposite number which helps Smit get lower and presto, opposition going backwards. Bissie comes on with John to TH and all of a sudden the front row is quite a bit higher than before BJ left. Is this John at TH or Bissie at Hooker? I don’t know, would like to see Bissie more with BJ at TH, might force him to pack down lower.

  • Comment 102, posted at 30.11.09 14:46:15 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 100) : I don’t know, it seems the Sharks could see his worth, but for some reason PdV did not rate him. First Mujati was preferred then when he was shown up CJ was preferred, and then John to TH. Remember that both CJ and BJ were going to Europe at the same time, but CJ still played for the Boks while BJ did not. Clearly PdV rated CJ much higher than BJ. I think PdV has been shown up on this one.

  • Comment 103, posted at 30.11.09 14:48:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Clearly PdV has done some great things with this team. But like all coaches, he has made some mistakes driven by personal preference for certain players. He has screwed Pienaar around, that is clear, ruined his confidence. Steyn played much worse in the EOYT than Pienaar did against the BIL, yet nobody is baying for Steyn’s blood like they did for Pienaar’s. He has also screwed Kanko around. He should have been first choice in 2008, not Spies. And of course not seeing the worth in BJ Botha.

    I also think he has made a mistake bringing in some of the Europe based Boks. How do you justify bringing in JdV while Frans Steyn was left out with Kirchner being rubbish, and we needed a big boot.

  • Comment 104, posted at 30.11.09 14:52:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 103) :

    I think PDV mentioned that BJ was not very unfront with him when he signed his overseas contract.

    He was playing for the Boks at that stage wasn’t he??

    When Divvie found out, he selected the likes of Mujati because BJ would not have been available due to their policy of not selecting overseas based players

  • Comment 105, posted at 30.11.09 15:05:33 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 105) : Timings a little off there Wes. BJ left SA in 2009, he was available for the BIL and Tri-Nations just like CJ was, but CJ was preferred. All I am saying is this was a mistake by PdV, not being over critical, he just made a mistake. He has done a lot more good things than mistakes though.

    Mujati played for the Boks in 2008 when both CJ and BJ were available and still in SA, but Mujati was preferred to them. But Mujati was never considered for the Boks in 2009.

  • Comment 106, posted at 30.11.09 15:13:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 105) : Remember the end of year tour last year, Mujati was very good in the England match. But I rather think that was because Smit started at Hooker in that game, and we all know that Smit can make any TH look good when he plays hooker. Come to think of it, Bissie just needs to stay home in November, he is very injury prone on these end of year tours.

  • Comment 107, posted at 30.11.09 15:15:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 102) : Watched them keenly and yes I did notice the change once Bissie came on but I would have loved to see Bissie with BJ, just to see how they did together.

    I agree with you with regards to Ruan VS Steyn, Steyn was abysmal to say the least and I nearly peuked as Skinstadt tried to make excuses for Steyn :evil: Ruan was taken from playing as scrummy (under instructions from PDV to specialise at 9 to be selected) and expected to give a faultless performance, Steyn who plays at 10 for his union is excused when not only was his kicking for posts bad but his general play was one dimensional and poor! As to Kirchner, Fransie please come back all is forgiven :x

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 108) : I have to be honest, I don’t think I have ever seen a performance kicking from hand from Pienaar that was nearly as bad as Steyn was on Saturday. Forget the kicking for posts, yes that lost the game, but honestly, his kicking from hand was worse. He missed touch on penalties, had all the time in the world just to kick straight into touch. BOD kept coming up hard on defense yet not once did Steyn grubber behind him. Terrible, and that is what ruined the game for us more than the kicking at posts. My opinion is that when Pienaar is comfortable, he is so good at reading a game, it just is second nature to him and he stops thinking and just does. This is when he is at his best. He does not make mistakes when just flowing. When he starts to think, he over thinks and bingo, he makes mistakes. But surely never as bad as Steyn. In the BIL game, Pienaar was superb getting his line away, and his kicking from hand was excellent. His kicking for posts was just not up to scratch. Yet everyone was baying for Steyn. Irritated the hell out of me.

  • Comment 109, posted at 30.11.09 15:22:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 106) : BJ left end of 2008, think about it, he did not play super 14 for the sharks this year

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 109) : +1000000

  • Comment 111, posted at 30.11.09 15:24:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 110) : not even end of 2008, he did not play in the currie cup 2008

  • Comment 112, posted at 30.11.09 15:24:52 by war1 Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 106) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 107) :

    Dude, I am not defending Div here… I just recall reading or listening to an interview where Div stated that he won’t select BJ because he committed to an overseas contract. :roll:

  • Comment 113, posted at 30.11.09 15:26:29 by wpw Reply
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  • I was wrong about when BJ left, sorry Wes, thanks for pointing out my error war1. :oops:

  • Comment 114, posted at 30.11.09 15:31:17 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 113) : I know, but CJ committed to an overseas contract at the same time, yet Div selected him. So why select CJ who has committed to an overseas contract, but state to the press you are not selecting BJ because he is committed to an overseas contract.

  • Comment 115, posted at 30.11.09 15:32:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 107) :

    lets hope “home” for Biz and his Bro will pretty soon be GLRU.. :twisted:

  • Comment 116, posted at 30.11.09 15:34:39 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 114) : no prob ;-) its an easy mistake to make

  • Comment 117, posted at 30.11.09 15:35:31 by war1 Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 115) : you are spot on… at the time, it stuck out like a dog’s balls.

  • Comment 118, posted at 30.11.09 15:35:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 109) : I am glad you and I watched the same game, I think Skinstadt was getting confused with Dan Carter in the other match :roll: All those calling for Steyn were our intellectually impaired blue army, unfortunately WP and Sharks are not quite as vocal as them, and our selectors and PDV have not heard the very apt saying of the empty can making more noise :evil:

  • Comment 119, posted at 30.11.09 15:35:37 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 111) : It really does irritate me to no end. Steyn was completely devoid of ideas once his boot was not working. I thought he had some abilities with ball in hand, but apparently I was wrong. Pienaar on a bad kicking day would have been streets better than Steyn. At least he offers variety. I still can not believe we did not try a single grubber behind the Irish line on Saturday, not one time! The centres were coming up so fast and shutting down our line, with JPP and Habana’s speed, why not grubber behind the Irish line, at least a couple of times. I am no backline tactician, but even I could see this.

  • Comment 120, posted at 30.11.09 15:35:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 119) : I had UK commentary and they were not shy to heap criticism on Steyn. Made me warm to them just a little

  • Comment 121, posted at 30.11.09 15:36:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 116) : if bissie goes to the lions, who will be the sharks hooker when john smit retires or needs time off b4 2011 rwc?

  • Comment 122, posted at 30.11.09 15:38:01 by war1 Reply
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  • Morne Steyn did well this year because of his accurate kicking and he played behind a dominant pack.

    Put him behind a pack that is struggling and he fades. Can’t believe the Bulls fans think he is the next Naas Botha (who wasn’t a tackler either)

  • Comment 123, posted at 30.11.09 15:38:32 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 123) : he may be the next naas botha, which may not be a compliment

  • Comment 124, posted at 30.11.09 15:40:57 by war1 Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 119) : Squeaky wheel always gets the grease. Look I have to be honest, Steyn deserved a chance after the Super 14, he really did offer a lot at 10 at the time. The problem is that PdV was so quick to replace Pienaar with Steyn especially after he promised Pienaar on the EOYT last year that he was the first choice 10. The problem with Steyn is that when his boot goes he has nothing else to offer. PdV should have seen this, and used Steyn while he was on form and still allowed Pienaar to start and get back on form. Steyn could have been a second half replacement in all the matches when Pienaar was not injured. But because PdV shot Pienaar’s confidence we have nothing to offer when Steyn was off the boil on the EOYT.

  • Comment 125, posted at 30.11.09 15:41:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 122) :

    Who gives a sh**?? :twisted:

  • Comment 126, posted at 30.11.09 15:43:13 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 126) :

    get Bullet out of retirement for all I care!! :lol:

  • Comment 127, posted at 30.11.09 15:44:24 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 114) :

    Its cool… we all make mistakes… some more than others though!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 128, posted at 30.11.09 15:44:44 by wpw Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 126) : you may give more than that when smit needs to be rested in the upcoming super 14 and we’re stuck with inexperienced players which turns out messing up our whole campaign, remember this year’s super 14, we need depth

  • Comment 129, posted at 30.11.09 15:45:51 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 122) : Sign Liebenberg! :wink: Thinking I should duck because Wes and Claytie are bound to throw something. :lol:

  • Comment 130, posted at 30.11.09 15:45:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 127) :

    Burden is there and then buy Liebenberg or we can let Ruan sub – its about the only position he has not been shoved in! :lol:

  • Comment 131, posted at 30.11.09 15:46:32 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 127) : :shock:

  • Comment 132, posted at 30.11.09 15:47:14 by war1 Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 128) :

    You would know, ja! :wink:

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 130) :

    Great Minds…Fools… :?: :lol:

  • Comment 133, posted at 30.11.09 15:47:45 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 121) : You lucky man, I was getting so irritated that I started talking over Skinstadt!

  • Comment 134, posted at 30.11.09 15:48:05 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 131) : i would be far more comfortable having burden on the bench than starting him in the super 14 at this stage of his front row career, ruan would hav more than his confidence shattered if we tried that

  • Comment 135, posted at 30.11.09 15:49:04 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 129) : I’m in agreement. Bissie is a superb athlete. All his problems can be coached out of him, if he will allow it. We will need him in the future. Personally my opinion is that Liebenberg is a better all around hooker than Bissie, and as good an athlete. We need a player like one of these two to replace Smittie when he is ready to retire. Also, my understanding is that PdV has not decided to move John back to hooker, so who knows what will happen in the Super 14 next year.

  • Comment 136, posted at 30.11.09 15:49:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 135) : I’m in agreement with you. Burden like Schalk Brits is an impact hooker. Just not big enough to play 60 or 80 minutes at hooker.

  • Comment 137, posted at 30.11.09 15:51:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 131) : Sorry to say this Ice but Craig is nowhere near Bismarck’s class, He has great potential, but I am afraid I have seen plenty with Potential not actually getting living up to that potential. Wouldn’t be so cavalier with our players. The Sharks have at the moment the two best hookers in the country why send one away? We were on like this about Steyn as well, and now we have no quality cover for him and we get whipped in midfield by the Lions for heaven sake!

  • Comment 138, posted at 30.11.09 15:52:02 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 136) : bismarck is a phenomenal talent, he needs to mature, i think it would be easier to manage smit and bissies game time if they are in the same squad, then both of the bok hookers would be fresh come bok time

  • Comment 139, posted at 30.11.09 15:52:36 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 135) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 136) :

    Then the only option is to open the chequebook for Lieb… :wink:

    or…no more winning ways for the Sharks, not with Biz…mark my words..

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  • @war1 (Comment 135) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 137) : I am in total agreement with you on this one. At the moment Craig is good off the bench or in CC! If we had the option of Liebenberg then fine let Bissie :cry: go, but sign Liebenberg on first!

  • Comment 141, posted at 30.11.09 15:55:07 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 140) : Actually we won the Currie Cup with Bismarck at Hooker and no JS in the team. We also made the semis in 2008 with Bissie at Hooker and No JS :???:

  • Comment 142, posted at 30.11.09 15:57:18 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 142) : we won the cc with js on the bench, which was 2008

  • Comment 143, posted at 30.11.09 15:59:31 by war1 Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 142) :

    ….and then he got bigger than the game and the team…

    Ag man dis lekker om so bietjie &&& the praat tussen die grootmense… :mrgreen:

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 141) : wp will have to let liebenberg go first, life is not always that easy

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  • @war1 (Comment 143) : :oops: don’t remember him in the final at all! sorry okai he was on the bench, then, still we won with Bissie at hooker :)

  • Comment 146, posted at 30.11.09 16:03:28 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Might be a good thing with JS back on Hooker and Biz on bench..might bring him down to mother earth again and dont think his jersey is a given…if that happens, he can stay (but play form the bench)

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 142) : CC level is so different to Super 14 and International. As I have said, and in agreement with War1 here, Bissie is a superb athlete, and all his problems are things that can be coached out of him, if he allows it. Sometimes I think he is a little too arrogant and won’t take advice from coaches and elders very well. I worry about anybody on a team that sees themselves and their brother as more important than the team dynamic.

    As for Liebenberg, as I have said before, I know someone that went to Grey Bloem with both of them. He said Liebenberg was a much better all around athlete than Bissie. Bissie only played rugby, while Liebs was a superb cricketer and believe it or not a tennis player as well, and a very good one. Also, while Bissie was in school he was deeply in his little clique and nobody could talk to him about anything, he always knew better. Apparently Jannie was a bookworm, always wearing glasses and carrying around big piles of books. :lol:

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 144) : I hate to say it, but from what I have heard, Bissie thought he was bigger than the game or the team when he was still in school.

  • Comment 149, posted at 30.11.09 16:06:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 145) : That IS my point War1 its all very well saying lets just sign on so and so, but first do the deed then you let the class player go. I don’t know if I am making any sense. Before you let a class player go, make sure you have signed on one of equal or better class!

    @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 144) : With John maybe moving back to 2 for National side, this may push Bismarck to push for the jersey again and we may see the Bissie of old.

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 150) : I agree with you here, we need to make sure we have adequate cover at hooker before letting Bissie go. Adequate is someone as good or better than Bissie.

  • Comment 151, posted at 30.11.09 16:09:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 148) : well jannie did get his MBChB, that takes some studying, these guys need to get over themselves, and grow up, and not just bissie, without that the sharks will never win

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 148) : Problem in all of this is that Liebenberg has a contract with WP, if it was a contract with the GLRU I would have thought there would be some hope of getting him, so at the moment all the Sharks have are: JS, Bissie and Burden. And I wouldn’t start with Burden in S14. Well that is my opinion, until such time we are lucky enough to get Liebenberg, or do you think Strauss would like some sea air these Free State boys seem to love Durban.

    I can well imagine Jannie as a bookworm, that is probably why he is a doctor.

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 146) : John was injured in the Tri-Nations last year, thanks to Thorne the thug. His game time was being managed by the Sharks as he came back toward the end of the CC. I think Smit started the semi or the last match of the season in 2008, but was rested on the bench in the final. I think he came on with 20 minutes to go for Bissie.

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    So maybe he hid it a bit and it got the better of him again…hope its “rectifiable”..

    @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 150) :

    I hope – but somehow I think the damage was done specially to his teammates. :|

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 153) : Adriaan Strauss would be excellent for the Sharks, and is more of a leader than Bissie. Could be a future captain if he came to the Sharks. His cousin Reghardt is too short and also a good impact hooker (like Burden and Brits). As far as I am concerned, the Sharks must have one of either Bissie, Liebs or Adriaan Strauss when Smit retires.

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 154) : YOu Know that your wrote it it is coming slowly back, I really didn’t remember him in the final until now, and its pretty vague! Obviously I was seeing what I wanted to see :oops:

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  • @war1 (Comment 152) :

    Ahhhh…you see, you do agree with me to an extend… :wink:

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 154) :

    I remember thinking that was a huge mistake.

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 156) : I really like Adriaan Strauss he was key to the Cheetah’s success this CC. I would be really happy to see him at the Sharks. Also a point I wanted to ask, do you think that had the Sharks chosen JS as captain this year, he could have sorted the Bissie issue before it got onto the field?

  • Comment 159, posted at 30.11.09 16:20:13 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 158) : Resting John was a huge mistake? Actually I think Plum got the selections spot on in 2008, this year he did not do a great job of reintegrating the Boks.

    Anyone know the word on Carstens? Is he going to WP? I really hope not, Rob knows how much of a Deon fan I am. As much as an attitude like Bissie can ruin team dynamics, an attitude like Carstens is the best thing for the team dynamic. He is always positive, always gives his all and is such a strong oke.

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 159) :

    I think JS is a natural leader and the team always looks at him in that sort of way, whether or not he is “Captain”. And that is why I do not know if Biz will succumb to be a team player again. Not being negative – just realistic.

    Cheers all – Mads – hope I did not spoil your Blue Monday too badly!! :wink:

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 160) : Please tell me that is not so, where did this rumour surface this is the first I hear of it. Well last week it came out as a rumour on here, but I thought that it was only that a rumour. How could the Sharks let him go?

  • Comment 162, posted at 30.11.09 16:26:44 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 160) :

    No – not at all! I was just scared that because it was such a crucial game, that we needed he’s leadership as we normally fold in a final. So I was rather worried not having him on the field to lead (in the final that is).

  • Comment 163, posted at 30.11.09 16:26:48 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 159) : That’s a tough one Dudette. I had a long debate with Morne about this early in the year. My opinion is that while Smit is clearly the best captain in the Sharks squad, he needed a break from leading the team and that by allowing Muller as captain, Smit could concentrate on his switch to TH and would be fresher during the internationals and a better leader then. Morne said he was right because the Sharks caved with Muller as captain, I said I am right because we won the BIL series and the Tri-Nations with Smit as a fresh captain.

    Perhaps he would have sorted out the issue with Bissie, but does he really need to be captain to do this. He is always going to be THE leader of any squad he is in, he is the great captain John Smit. I am not sure if Bissie even listens to John though. If he was capable of sorting Bissie out, I am sure he would have done that whether as captain or not. Just my opinion.

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 158) : i do, there is something really wrong in the squad, and i dont think plum really knows what it is, he did get the psychologist after all :evil:

  • Comment 165, posted at 30.11.09 16:28:47 by war1 Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 162) : Dudette, you’re going to have to ask Rob on this. He brought it up about a month ago, right after the CC season was over. I have always said I really hope Deon retires a Shark and then stays on as forwards coach. I have that much respect for him.

  • Comment 166, posted at 30.11.09 16:28:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 161) : Don’t worry Ice, all is fine :) Cheers Ice go safely!

  • Comment 167, posted at 30.11.09 16:29:16 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 161) : :lol: Once again Ice, great minds! Smit is always going to be the leader of any squad he is in, captain or not.

  • Comment 168, posted at 30.11.09 16:30:43 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Cheers Ice!

  • Comment 169, posted at 30.11.09 16:31:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 166) : I also rate Deon Highly, I am always more relaxed when I know he is in the team. He always gives 100% he is no stranger to the try line, and the scrum seldom suffers with him, especially when he is a LH. When he plays he looks like he is enjoying himself.

  • Comment 170, posted at 30.11.09 16:32:44 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Did anyone notice that when CJ came on for Beast (blood bin) he had two scrums, first set collapsed on his side (Beast did not go down once). Second set, could not get his bind, but stayed up. Put his hand down three times. If the ref was on that side of the scrum, he would have been penalized. Loosehead can put his hand down once to stabilize but must then bind on the opposing TH. Second scrum, same thing, CJ could not get his bind. Yet somehow the scrum still went forward but wheeled a bit on CJ’s side. He really is a poor scrummager isn’t he? Very good around the pitch, but a very poor scrummager.

  • Comment 171, posted at 30.11.09 16:36:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 171) : You see I am learning something, I also thought he is a very poor scrummager! :smile: But some on Keo are praising him so I was thinking maybe its just me.

  • Comment 172, posted at 30.11.09 16:37:49 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 170) : Deon just shuts up and gets the job done. My kind of player. I have said this before, but both Beast and Deon are very aggressive scrummagers at LH. I think Beast learned this from Deon. They attack the TH, Unfortunately what happens sometimes is they miss the hit and go to ground. Deon has been tagged with this for some time, but I think it is intelligent play, the Aussies do this, if they miss the hit on the scrum, they go to ground. Both CJ and Steenkamp are passive scrummagers on the LH side. They are satisfied to hold their side of the scrum up and make sure the TH does not go forward. They scrum too high, which is particularly weak with Smit at TH and Bissie at hooker.

  • Comment 173, posted at 30.11.09 16:39:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 172) : He is a defensive scrummager, happy to hold his own, and he packs down far too high, just like Steenkamp. He is very good around the pitch, but not a very good scrummager. His strength is he can play both sides of the scrum, so is a good bench prop. Personally I think Deon is a better choice as a bench prop, and was thrilled to see him get game time with the Boks in the BIL series.

  • Comment 174, posted at 30.11.09 16:41:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 174) : I was also thrilled when they called him up for BIL and then when he came on. I feel he is also very good around the pitch.

  • Comment 175, posted at 30.11.09 16:43:23 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • anyway must go and pick the boys up, but will come back on as soon as I am home. for now cheers!

  • Comment 176, posted at 30.11.09 16:44:24 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • In the first Lions test the Lions made a big mistake by starting with a very short hooker (ala burden or brits). Vickery (who is a very good TH) was forced to scrum in on Bissie to support his hooker. Bissie was so much stronger than the oppo hooker, he could muscle him back. Once Vickery angled in to support his hooker, Beast, being the aggressive scrummager drove his outside shoulder into the ribs of Vickery (left shoulder) head under his chest and drove him back and up. Vickery had no choice but to pop out and go over backwards. That is what happens when a TH supports his hooker and forgets about an aggressive scrumming LH. I guarantee you that Steenkamp or CJ would never have driven Vickery back like that, they would have just held him up and let him drive in on the hooker. As soon as the Lions replaced their hooker, the scrum settled down and we were not able to drive them back anymore. It was all about the hooker.

  • Comment 177, posted at 30.11.09 16:46:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 176) : Cheers Dudette!

  • Comment 178, posted at 30.11.09 16:47:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I remember once playing for an age group regional side in the US. I was hooker and my loosehead was a huge oke with very little experience, but strong as an ox. We were playing a warm up against a club side with a very experienced TH. He was driving in on me from the first scrum, and my LH was doing nothing about it. I was trying to scrum against two guys. I begged him to do something to help me out, but he had no idea what to do. In the first half I actually asked him to punch the TH in the ribs while the ref was on the other side, just to get his attention, it worked for one scrum :lol: At half time, we were lucky enough to have a very good experienced loosehead on our coaching staff, and he took the guy aside and showed him how to use his outside shoulder. Second half was night and day different. He didn’t dominate the TH, probably didn’t even really beat him, but at least the TH had to play against him, and I could work on my oppo hooker.

  • Comment 179, posted at 30.11.09 16:53:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 179) : maybe you should head back to Durbs and offer your services to the Sharks… as scrum coach, I mean :)

  • Comment 180, posted at 30.11.09 17:50:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 180) : :lol: Sometimes I wonder why our forward coaches seem to be missing the boat on some of these things. Nowadays the hooker does not even have to hook the ball, so there is no reason to set up with the hooker turned to the srcumhalf. It seems like most teams in the world have gone to setting up the front row like the Argies do. Hooker out in front of the props and setting up crouched. Why have no SA teams even tried this? A hooker no longer needs to hook the ball, so he better damn well be able to drive in the scrums, with power and technique.

  • Comment 181, posted at 30.11.09 18:01:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 181) : because there are so few progressive thinkers in SA rugby… we are stuck in this mindset of only ever appointing “traditionalists” to coaching roles.

  • Comment 182, posted at 30.11.09 18:09:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • Jake White talked a lot about the Bajada scrum, but did nothing to change the way South Africans scrum. There is no way you can tell me that Ben Robinson is anywhere near as strong as John Smit. He is a doughboy compared to Smit, but he is one of the best scrumming props in the world. Why? Technique, that is it. The aussie scrum is doing well now, not because they have superior athletes, or strong men, they are doing well because they have excellent scrumming technique. Why are we still relying on brute force? I am not sure why, but I have always been more about technique, both playing hooker and sailing. I find the strategy and technique fascinating, and savour opportunities to experiment. I mean how easy would it be for almost any provincial side in SA to try a different technique in training.

  • Comment 183, posted at 30.11.09 18:16:15 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 183) : and you’d think the Sharks, being the most progressive union, would embrace that sort of thinking. And yet, somehow, under Plum, they seem one of the more conservative.

  • Comment 184, posted at 30.11.09 18:52:28 by robdylan Reply
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