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Lions have no leg to stand on


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Sharks, WP on 30 Nov 2009 at 11:55
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Lions boss Kevin de Klerk has conceded that the Lions have no hope in hell of retaining the services of Willem Alberts and Louis Ludik and are instead relying on petty pedantry to hold up the duo’s transfers to the Sharks.

In the latest in a series of increasingly baffling statements to come out of Coca Cola Park, de Klerk, who seems to be (ab)using Rugby365′s Jan de Koning as his mouthpiece, reckons the Lions are now sticking to “the letter of the law” and will not issue clearance certificates for either player until they receive “written offers” from the Sharks. Jaque Fourie is apparently in a similar situation and cannot complete the formalities of his move to Western Province as a result.

De Klerk further concedes that the Lions have no real intention of countering whatever offers are put on the table, making the whole stand seem rather petty indeed. Ultimately, it’s a stalling tactic aimed at frustrating the Sharks and Western Province and trying to shift the blame away from the Lions themselves, whose pathetic administration is squarely to blame for the players’ unhappiness.

SARU have asked legal representative Janine Lubbe to look into the matter, further wasting time and money that could be better spent elsewhere. Grow up, de Klerk! Even your own fans want you to drop this small-minded bullshit and rather focus on the players that actually want to play for the Lions. It’s time you listened to them.



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  • this is very petty, from a previous article i read (cant remember where) manie reynecke said he wanted a formal request with a letterhead, which i think means the lions have received a formal request from the sharks just not in the manner they wanted, these guys need to get over themselves and grow up!

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.11.09 12:06:39 by war1 Reply
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  • Good news…..I suppose :roll:

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.11.09 12:09:06 by Pokkel (Rugby's over, back to fishing) Reply
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  • No wonder their top players are leaving in droves.

    Oom Frikkie should check if Jano Vermaak’s contract is indeed valid/legal!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.11.09 12:28:53 by wpw Reply
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  • I just hope poor Dick Muir can establish some resemblance of order at the Lions.

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.11.09 12:34:55 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Rugby’s over, back to fishing) (Comment 2) : oh yeah – this is actually very good news for the Sharks

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.11.09 17:45:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hoekom moet die leeus vrystelling sertifikate gee aan spelers wat eers bereid is om hul eie kontrakte wat hulle self geteken het uit te sien nie.

    Wat pla die kwessie van vrystellings sertifikate nou die spelers en die WP en Natal – daar is mos nie meer ‘n plek vir lojaliteit, reels en regilasies nie.

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.12.09 09:58:55 by monster Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 3) : Jano het dieselfde kontrak as Alberts en Ludick gehad maar hy het terug gegaan en ‘n nuwe kontrak geteken – daar is darm nog mense wie se woord hulle eer is

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.12.09 10:01:28 by monster Reply

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  • @monster (Comment 6) : cry me a river, boetie. It’s a pro game and you guys did EXACTLY the same thing with JP Joubert and Jacques Lombard. The Lions seem very quick to point the finger, because it’s easier to do that than to admit what an utter mess your own affairs are in.

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.12.09 10:12:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @monster (Comment 7) : Or maybe because the other big unions already have excellent scrummies so the only place he would get regualr game time would be at Lions:

    Sharks – Ruan, Rory and Charl
    Bull – FDP, Heinie Adams, Francois Hougaard
    WP – Duvenhage, Januarie and
    Cheetahs – well he may as well remain at the Lions ;)

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.12.09 11:05:15 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 9) : :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.12.09 11:13:38 by wpw Reply
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  • I dont see why you need to ask for Release Certificates if the players dont have valid contracts…

    Surely you only need to do this if the players are contracted to the union which, in this case, isnt the case as ruled by the arbitrator.

    Kevin de Klerk is being a top-class knobhead and I hope the Lions end up last in the S14, are replaced by the Eastern Cape and we never hear of them again.

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.12.09 13:30:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) :As jy enigsins ingelig was, sou jy geweet het dat die leeus oordragfooie betaal het vir Joubert en Lombaard, wat volgens SARU se regulasies toelaatbaar is. As jy regtig verstaan wat “PRO” (professioneel) regtig beteken, sou jy agtergekom het dat daar n verskil is tussen professionalisme en onetiese optrede. As die sharks so professioneel en wonderlik is, het hulle dan nie eers n faksmasjien, om n aanbod, op n briefhoof, aan die leeus te faks nie? Of het die sharks nie eers n briefhoof nie?

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.12.09 13:48:43 by boepie Reply

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  • @boepie (Comment 12) :

    As GLRU in die eerste plek PRO was, sou hulle seer sekerlik waterdigte kontrakte opgetsel het??

    Vra maar net.. :roll:

    Hoekom moet ons ‘n aanbod aan GLRU maak, as daar “valid” kontrakte is nie. Ons wil nie GLRU ‘n aanbod maak nie, wel die twee ongekontrakteerde spelers.

    In my books they are Free game.. :roll: :twisted:

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.12.09 13:53:23 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @boepie (Comment 12) :

    Oh ja – and yo uhad no choice but to pay those feed, coz THOSE blokes had REAL contracts. I defnitely think you woudl have taken the chances had that not been the case

    Sour grapes.. :lol:

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.12.09 13:55:27 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @boepie (Comment 12) : The Sharks have sent an official offer to the Lions, it just was not in the format that your beureaucrats/petty Administrators wanted. No doubt they will receive one in the “format” required presently :)

    But don’t you find it strange boepie that the Lions insist on a “proper format” when they cannot even ensure their contracts are legal and binding?

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.12.09 13:56:03 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 13) : Mooi gese Ice :smile:

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.12.09 13:58:10 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 11) : For your info; the fact that the arbitration process went against the lions, doesn’t mean that Alberts and Ludick’s contracts aren’t valid, as there contracts aren’t exactly the same. Fourie was erronous appointed as a technical adviser, which made his contract disputable. WA and LL, however, are appointed as players, and, upon agreement with those players, the space where their 2010 salaries should have been filled in, was left open, as the management, together with their agent, agreed that they could became boks, and that their market value would increase. In those contracts were agreed that they would play for the Lions until October 2010. What is so hard about understanding that?
    Seems to me you are the knobhead!

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.12.09 13:59:35 by boepie Reply

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  • @boepie (Comment 12) : natuurlik het ons n faksmasjien, jy praat nou asof ons ons stadium coca cola park moes noem om uit die kak te kom!wait for it……..ha ha

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.12.09 14:01:00 by willa Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 16) :

    Mooi gese Mads :smile: ;-)

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.12.09 14:01:44 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @boepie (Comment 17) :

    Kevin?? Is that YOU??? :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.12.09 14:03:09 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 14) : Those contracts are valid, until proven otherwise, as they don’t have exactly the same contracts as Jaque Fourie. You guys should stop believing everything you read in newspapers….

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.12.09 14:03:33 by boepie Reply

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  • @boepie (Comment 17) : dude, you haven’t been here but two minutes and you’re already starting to make personal comments about people you don’t even know. I’d advise you to go and read the rules of the site, which you can find here: http://www.sharksworld.co.za/the-rules/. There’s nothing wrong with debating your opinion – and since we have a large contingent of international readers, English is always preferable – but if you can’t do that without resorting to insults, perhaps this isn’t the place for you after all.

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.12.09 14:03:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @willa (Comment 18) : Toe noem julle hom maar absa stadion, vir n kwart van die geld, slim ne…….

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.12.09 14:04:56 by boepie Reply

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  • @boepie (Comment 21) : but your own CEO Kevin de Klerk admitted in an interview with Jan de Koning that they are the same. Go read it here: http://www.rugby365.com/tournaments/super14/news/2078520.htm

    To quote directly from that article: “De Klerk admitted that Alberts and Ludik have exactly the same ‘loophole’ in their contracts that saw Fourie win his arbitration case – a fact that was also confirmed by Piet Heymans, the CEO of the South African Rugby Players Association.”

    So who’s got their facts wrong here?

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.12.09 14:06:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : So that chainsaw dude is allowed to call people names, why can’t I call him the same?

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.12.09 14:07:19 by boepie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) : They are all the same in terms of the salaries, but on Jaques’ contract, he was appointed as a technical advisor, and not as a player.

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.12.09 14:09:23 by boepie Reply

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  • @boepie (Comment 25) :

    he was talking about a third party – he did not insult you… :roll:

    Who in the hell contracts a player as a technical advisor?? Perhaps they copy and pasted thetechnical advisors contrcat and forgot to change it to player.. :lol: Now THAT is PRO!!

    And he is VINCHAINSAW for you, nie sommer Dude nie.. :twisted:

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.12.09 14:13:43 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) :

    Having fun?? I am! :lol:

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.12.09 14:14:25 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @boepie (Comment 25) : he didn’t call you a name.

    @boepie (Comment 26) : Boepie, may I ask what your official role is with the Lions? You clearly are very involved, since you know more about the contracts than the CEO himself does :)

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.12.09 14:15:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @willa (Comment 18) :

    BTW Willa – that was not my poppie in the paper – mine is way prettier.. ;-) Go check on my Facebook – put up the crowning pics.

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.12.09 14:15:28 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) :

    Its Kevin himself! :grin:

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.12.09 14:16:31 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 28) : it’s all good, Icey. If you’re going to post opinionated pieces, you have to be prepared to back them up. I never shy away, as you know :)

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.12.09 14:18:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @boepie (Comment 23) : ellispark of die coke tin, maak nie saak wat die naam is nie, dit bly nogsteeds n shithole, en as die leeus nie so useless was nie, kon julle dalk n paar toeskouers daar gekry het, face dit net,…useless!

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.12.09 14:18:59 by willa Reply

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  • Hi ouens, gaan John Smit en Johan Muller nou los kom uit hulle kontrakte om vir die Leeus te gaan speel? Wat is die gesukkel?

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.12.09 14:19:59 by henniek Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) :

    Ahhhh – now I know its him…That Chainsaw dude said Kevin is a knobhead – and he took it very personally.. ;-)

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.12.09 14:23:25 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • Hi Rob, stuur sommer die girl saam met John Smit.

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.12.09 14:26:01 by henniek Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 35) : ah yes – fair enough then.

    I’ll fax through an official apology. BTW, who the hell actually uses a fax these days? Haven’t they heard of email?

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.12.09 14:26:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • Oh dear…

    Sharksworld is going Afrikaans!! :shock:

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.12.09 14:28:14 by wpw Reply
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  • @henniek (Comment 34) :

    They have Real contracts, Dave…always keep it real.. ;-) BTW – I’ll see what I can do to get the Diva Dups out of their contracts and send them 1st class coach to yous!

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.12.09 14:28:46 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @henniek (Comment 34) : they actually have valid contracts, Hennie. Nice try, though. Perhaps we can fax you guys John Smit’s contract so you can see what it looks like. Maybe rather email you a copy so you can copy and paste from it.

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.12.09 14:29:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 39) : I’ll pay the postage.

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.12.09 14:29:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : we’ll work on them Wes. I see boepie has already switched to English

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.12.09 14:30:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) :

    Sharksworld is going lekker man!! :lol:

    Seems we talk rugby dot co dot za has invaded sharskworld dot co dot za.. :twisted:

  • Comment 43, posted at 01.12.09 14:30:45 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • What time’s the cricket? :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.12.09 14:31:56 by McLovin Reply

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  • You lot are busy with hungry Lions here. Hulle gat julle opvreet. :cool:

  • Comment 45, posted at 01.12.09 14:33:55 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 44) : askies? The WHAT? :)

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.12.09 14:34:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : Its about time. Ons Boelanders sukkel met ons pigeon engels.

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.12.09 14:35:14 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 43) :

    hahahaha :lol:

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.12.09 14:35:27 by wpw Reply
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  • Seeing as their are plenty of Afr folks about, does anyone know what a ‘stoat’ is in Afr?

    Thanks/Dankie :grin:

  • Comment 49, posted at 01.12.09 14:35:35 by McLovin Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 45) : your avatar looks more like Lion food than mine :) Did I tell you I had a chat with the Schoonbie lad? What a polite young man he is – will do Sharks rugby proud.

    BTW, I understand that the SA Under 20 side will be announced soon. You have any info?

  • Comment 50, posted at 01.12.09 14:36:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : Speel die lotte dan nie Vrydag eers nie?

  • Comment 51, posted at 01.12.09 14:36:19 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 47) :

    Heheehe PB – there never been anything wrong with your Pom!!

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.12.09 14:37:02 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : Ja I got the PM. For some reason my parrafien laptop tilt or run out of memory when I am on the Tjark house. Look like its fix now.

    Havent heard anything about the U20s, would love to see the squad and will post as soon as I get something.

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.12.09 14:38:33 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 52) : Sussie my rooitaal is giftig. Ek het nou lekker leer boer praat hier langsaan by Walter se Leeuhuis.

  • Comment 54, posted at 01.12.09 14:39:45 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Rob I got a new WeePee Oom Paarl avator, can I load it from a Url or do it have to go via My Pictures?

    Jerre ek sukkel met die blikbrein goete.

  • Comment 55, posted at 01.12.09 14:41:15 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 55) :

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 56, posted at 01.12.09 14:42:11 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 49) : werfetter? :)

  • Comment 57, posted at 01.12.09 14:42:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 54) :

    Se tog vir Silver Fox groete!

  • Comment 58, posted at 01.12.09 14:44:44 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 49) :
    Stoat ? Have no idea but if Rob call it werf etter, well I can always give you the Namakwalnd version….. but then he’ll ban me.

  • Comment 59, posted at 01.12.09 14:45:39 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 58) : Weet jy wat, hy is ook ‘n Namakwalander!

    Gawe man daai!

  • Comment 60, posted at 01.12.09 14:46:39 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 59) :

    Hell yeah – we know your language skills! Save it untill I am gone! :lol:

    @PaarlBok (Comment 60) :

    Ons mis hom hier!

  • Comment 61, posted at 01.12.09 14:49:02 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 55) : if you give me the URL, I’ll load it for you, Oom. And you’re always welcome to post in Afrik here… I would just prefer for the majority of the comments to remain in English

  • Comment 62, posted at 01.12.09 14:49:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • speaking of the old timers, when last did anyone see Spykerbaard? Lovely guy, but I’m worried I inadvertently pissed him off :(

  • Comment 63, posted at 01.12.09 14:50:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) :
    Dankie Boet,

    Url
    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2500/4149732410_e4aace711e_o.jpg

  • Comment 64, posted at 01.12.09 14:54:03 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) :

    Naah Rob, I think he is strongerthan that! :wink:

  • Comment 65, posted at 01.12.09 14:55:49 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • Oh and I have to exercise my red tale a bit. Jessie my girl dopped her first year English at Maties. Gatslag and all my fault not talking to her enough in english. The Laatlammetjie score A’s tho , we teach each other.

  • Comment 66, posted at 01.12.09 14:56:16 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @boepie (Comment 17) : Boepie to me you seem to be the Knobhead here. Fourie’s case was not dismissed on the ground that he was a technical advisor, but on the grounds of “future remuneration” was left open. So bingo that is the clause that will get Alberts and Ludik freed, and well DeKlerk knows it! :evil:

  • Comment 67, posted at 01.12.09 14:57:02 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : @PaarlBok (Comment 59) : It are like a weasel but a bit bigger and lives longer.

  • Comment 68, posted at 01.12.09 15:03:24 by McLovin Reply

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  • Manne I think the Lion lot exctually dont want them now, they’ll just make it difficult as possible for you lot to get them.

    They have Dick Muir & Ackers which is anyway much more value then 2 X LL’s & WA’s , wonder if Balie will still help there. Thats the other big catch for them.

  • Comment 69, posted at 01.12.09 15:04:28 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 68) : I look it up in the dictionery but is confused like at the start.

    Its it some kind of animal?

  • Comment 70, posted at 01.12.09 15:09:33 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 70) : Yip. :smile:

  • Comment 71, posted at 01.12.09 15:11:24 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 67) : dudette – I need to rebuke you (mildly) for carrying on the personal insults. Please cease and desist :)

  • Comment 72, posted at 01.12.09 15:13:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 71) : The online dictionary sais its “Wesel”

  • Comment 73, posted at 01.12.09 15:21:49 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 72) : Okai, just for you Rob and because I like coming on the site :twisted: :)

  • Comment 74, posted at 01.12.09 15:24:53 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 73) : Thanks, but that doesn’t sound right. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 01.12.09 15:25:12 by McLovin Reply

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  • Knobs. :twisted:

  • Comment 76, posted at 01.12.09 15:26:20 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 73) :
    The dictionery says weasel = slangmuishond, ‘n nugterwakker persoon ‘n rat voor oee draai met ‘n skerp gesig soos ‘n kwart pond kaas.

    Dunno, kennie van nie.

    Thanks for the avator Rob, hope it was OK by your WP mods. ;-)

  • Comment 77, posted at 01.12.09 15:26:57 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 77) : PaarlBok, my Afrikaans is not very good, but maybe I can help a little bit. A stoat is a small animal similar to a weasel and it is usually used to make fur for silly ladies that believe they can only look good in someone else’s skin. I don’t know if that helps at all :???:

  • Comment 78, posted at 01.12.09 15:30:50 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 77) : :lol: skerp gesig soos ‘n kwart pond kaas :lol: Where can I get that dictionary?

  • Comment 79, posted at 01.12.09 15:32:52 by McLovin Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 77) :

    Enig in jou soort! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 80, posted at 01.12.09 15:36:46 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 79) : My own Namaqualandse idioom to describe a skerp gesig. Round cheese is cut those slices like pizza and is sharper towards the centre side.

  • Comment 81, posted at 01.12.09 15:44:09 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Oh sorry and a kwart piond kaas isnt a big slice. :cool:

  • Comment 82, posted at 01.12.09 15:45:09 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 69) :
    Just saw now, Balie got a new job
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    Swart gets reffing role
    Tuesday, December 01 Print | Send Submit Balie Swart, a World Cup-winning Springbok in 1995, has been given an innovative new role by SA Rugby to assist coaches and referees in the proper application of scrum law.

    Swart was announced as a referee selector for the 2010 season by SA Rugby on Tuesday but will have a dual role as a go-between for coaches and the refereeing hierarchy and as a coach of legal scrumming technique.

    “Balie worked with our referees throughout the 2009 season on a one-on-one basis to keep them up to date with scrumming technique and how it impacted on the application of Law by match officials,” said Andre Watson, SA Rugby’s manager of referees.

    “We’ve now appointed him as a referee selector 2010 and, in addition, coaches are invited to bring matters to his attention regarding refereeing. There is a misconception that the refereeing community closes ranks and that it is pointless to raise issues. Hopefully the appointment of Balie will provide a channel for coaches to raise their concerns through a channel with which they can more easily relate.”

    In addition Swart will also be available to assist teams in coaching legal and safe scrumming technique, according to the Law and the protocols of SA Rugby’s Boksmart rugby safety programme.

    “Safety is obviously a primary concern at the scrum and Balie will be able to advise coaches on those aspects as well as those areas where they’re going to get penalised by referees,” said Watson.

    “We’re constantly looking to improve the performance of our referees and hopefully this initiative will allow us to raise the bar even higher.”

  • Comment 83, posted at 01.12.09 15:58:16 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 83) : good for him. Wish they’d appoint him full-time as Bok scrum coach rather

  • Comment 84, posted at 01.12.09 16:21:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • Wish the Stormers can get him back. I like Balie a lot, he is our legend. Pretty sure he will stay in Paarl and put his young girl in KleinGim.

  • Comment 85, posted at 01.12.09 16:31:36 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @boepie (Comment 17) :

    Sorry champ – Fourie got out of his contract becasue there was no amount specified as a salary for 2010, rendering the contract null and void as the terms werent stipulated.
    A basic contrcat law premise is you have to be able to quantify performance, performance in this case being salary.

    And if you call me a knobhead again you’ll be registerign antoher nic if you want to post comments on this site.

  • Comment 86, posted at 01.12.09 17:13:00 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Sorry, just to be clear, can we stop calling ti a ‘loophole’ that let Fourie off the hook – there wasnt a valid contract. Period. It’s not some sort of loophole – there wasnt a bloody contract!

  • Comment 87, posted at 01.12.09 17:16:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 86) : he he… showing your badge? :)

  • Comment 88, posted at 01.12.09 17:17:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 66) :

    PB, dis baie snaaks ou. Jammer dat ek lag maar ek kan my maar net verbeel! Ek het net so gesukkel op stellenbosch maar my probleem was ek kon die dosetne nie verstaan nie want hul het Afrikaans gepraat! Moes maar baie, baie vinnig leer…

    Andersins hoe gaan dit ou grote? Lanklaas gehoor…

  • Comment 89, posted at 01.12.09 17:24:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) :

    Lol. Yeah man! I is The Law!

  • Comment 90, posted at 01.12.09 17:25:34 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 90) : the Law is a Bull now :) How does THAT make you feel?

  • Comment 91, posted at 01.12.09 18:03:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • A stoat is often referred to as a short tailed weasel. It is a member of the mustelidae family which includes minks, ferrets, otters, badgers, polecats and depending on your biological training skunks.

  • Comment 92, posted at 01.12.09 22:07:02 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 89) : Ja dis nou omgedraai. Die dosente praat nou net engels by Maties. :roll: Sy doen Visuele Kunste en dit maak dit nog moeiliker vir haar want daai lotte is mos maar die weird soort.

    Verder gaan dit goed en sal nou meer van my laat hoor. Net moeg vir die Bokke en Proteas en sommer net vir alles. Tyd om by die see uit te kom en lui te wees.

    Hey en moenie so hardegat met ons Leeu maatjies wees nie! Ek laaik hulle a lot.

  • Comment 93, posted at 02.12.09 06:25:10 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 49) : Using it in a sentence: Die bure se laaitie is ‘n stoat-gat

  • Comment 94, posted at 02.12.09 10:49:32 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 87) : It’s just funny that teir contracts were valid enough for them to receive and accept salaries, even when they were injured….

  • Comment 95, posted at 02.12.09 11:39:36 by boepie Reply

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  • @boepie (Comment 95) : you’re looking for ethics in the wrong place, I feel

  • Comment 96, posted at 02.12.09 11:53:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @boepie (Comment 95) :

    Chum, as I understand it they signed two year contracts and their salary was only stipulated for the first year with no guidance as to what it would be in year 2.
    A fundamental tenet of a contract valid is that the deliverable items (sorry its been a while since I last had to express myself in legal terms) must be quantifiable i.e. you must be able to measure what you will deliver and what you will receive for that delivery. Anything less and you dont have a valid contract. If, for example, you sign a contract to sell your house but dont specify a price… well, then you dont ahve a binding contract.

    In this case they buggered both parts up – they erroneously included Fourie as a techincal advisor. That in itself wouldnt be enough to invalidate the contract (I wouldnt think so anyway).
    What they didnt do though was include the terms of his remuneration in year 2. As such it’s not a valid contract in year 2 as they havent agreed terms.

    Think about it – how can you have a valid contract if there are no terms attached on your side of the contract? Are you to work with the hope they may pay you? That’s never going to stand up to scrutiny.
    What happens if they try to negotiate his pay for year 2 and they dont come to agreement?

    Look I never like it when players break contracts (Joost back in the late nineties was a case in point where I was livid) but in this case there is no contract as they didnt even agree on his remuneration.

    It’s not a loophole – there is no binding contract because they didnt even agree on how much to pay him.
    The Lions dropped the ball in this case – in an incredibly incompetent manner. I know first year law students that would’ve spotted this error.

  • Comment 97, posted at 02.12.09 12:20:42 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 93) :

    Kan my nie eens verbeel hoe moet Maties lyk sonder die Afrikaans…

    Ek kon skaar n woord van die Taal praat toe ek daar aangekom het nie maar moes baie vinnig leer want die meerderheid van my klasse was in Afrikaans.
    In my tweede jaar het ek sommer my vraestelle in Afrikaans begin antwoord.

  • Comment 98, posted at 02.12.09 12:23:44 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) :

    Hehe. I shouldve known you’d be the only one to pick up on that!

    I wonder if he’ll get any game-time? Would rather see him there than Meisiekind… although to be fair neither can pass the ball.

  • Comment 99, posted at 02.12.09 12:24:57 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 99) : Meisiekind is a 13 – and a very good one at that

  • Comment 100, posted at 02.12.09 12:42:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 100) :

    Are we referring to the same person?
    I’m referring to the artist formally known as Wynand Olivier… have I gt my nicknames mixed up?

  • Comment 101, posted at 02.12.09 13:08:09 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 101) : yes – him. I have always maintained that he’s a pants 12 and a very useful 13. He is pretty good at breaking the line, but an awful distributor and even worse at decision making. Also has no boot to speak of.

  • Comment 102, posted at 02.12.09 13:37:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • in the absence of a leg I suggest that Lions lay down :roll:

    afternoon

  • Comment 103, posted at 02.12.09 13:45:41 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 103) : :lol:

  • Comment 104, posted at 02.12.09 13:53:40 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 102) :

    Ah right. Yip he reminds me a little bit of JApie Mulder… there was a dud that also didnt know the menaing of the word ‘pass’.

  • Comment 105, posted at 02.12.09 14:02:41 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 105) : I’d guess there to be quite a number of words Japie doesn’t know the meaning of. :twisted:

  • Comment 106, posted at 02.12.09 14:06:07 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 106) : yes – like “consent” and “under age”.

    Sorry, offside! I’ll give myself a yellow card.

  • Comment 107, posted at 02.12.09 14:22:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 105) :

    Ah, Japie Mulder.

    The original Boere THUG!!! :lol:

  • Comment 108, posted at 02.12.09 14:30:48 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 108) : I always found it hard to tell him and de Wet Barry apart.

  • Comment 109, posted at 02.12.09 14:33:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 107) : Yip. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 110, posted at 02.12.09 14:37:01 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 110) : has it been 10 minutes yet? :)

  • Comment 111, posted at 02.12.09 14:45:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 106) :

    ‘No’ being the first one I though of!

  • Comment 112, posted at 02.12.09 14:48:36 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) :

    Didnt he break de Wet’s jaw a few years back with a ridiculous shoulder barge?

  • Comment 113, posted at 02.12.09 14:49:20 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 113) : he did. Must have been like running into a mirror :)

  • Comment 114, posted at 02.12.09 14:53:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 111) : Not a card offence imo. :twisted: Wasn’t it his cousin or something?

  • Comment 115, posted at 02.12.09 15:00:08 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 115) : most likely :)

  • Comment 116, posted at 02.12.09 15:17:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) :

    Got the names from Suparugby
    Blou Bulle:

    Clayton Blommetjies
    Sampie Mastriet
    Ernst Dinkelman
    Adri Jacobs
    Christiaan Stander
    Mlungisi Bali
    Vincent Koch
    Jean Claude Roos

    Grens:

    Lubabalo Mtembu

    OP:

    Lulama Mdzoyi
    Siya Kolisi

    Cheetahs:

    Jamba Ulengo
    Hendrik van der Walt
    John Astle
    Jean-Pierre van Rooyen
    Carl Wegner
    Zander de Bruin
    Francios Venter

    Goue Leeus:

    Jaco Taute
    Wandile Mjekevu
    Elton Jantjies
    Rinus Riekert
    Louis Albertse
    Ashley Kohler
    Christiaan du Randt
    Sabastian de Chaves

    Griffons:

    Siyasanga Mkunku

    Griekwas:

    Thabiso Mngomezulu

    KwaZulu Natal:

    Patrick Lambie
    Dwayne Jenner
    Sibusiso Sithole
    Kenechukwu Okafor
    Johan Schoonbee
    Peet Marais
    Shaun Malton
    Monde Hadebe

    Luiperds:

    Louis Fouche
    Tiaan Dorfling

    WP:

    Berton Klaassen
    Louis Schreuder
    Frederick Muller
    Reuben Johannes
    Nezaam Carr
    Helmuth Lehman
    Heinrich Marcus
    Ruan Smith

  • Comment 117, posted at 02.12.09 15:43:33 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 117) : thanks – just saw that now myself and looking for a gap to write an article.

    Glad to see Mr Big is there :)

  • Comment 118, posted at 02.12.09 15:47:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ja , he’ll be glad to meet up again with Ruan Smith, Helmut Lehman & Louis Schreuder. All Paarl Gimmies and very talented. Pretty chuff to see Ruan still with WP, thought he’d go back to Australia. Scoonbee the tallest Craven Week player and Ruaan the heaviest to years back at Craven Week. I know Louis parents quite well, his mum give maths for the Laatlammetjie.

  • Comment 119, posted at 02.12.09 15:57:25 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Rob Help I went to Gravatar and chose an Avatar but it has not changed on this site – I really think I am technologically chalenged :oops:

  • Comment 120, posted at 02.12.09 16:01:21 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 120) : And how did it change now? :shock: :oops:

  • Comment 121, posted at 02.12.09 16:04:18 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 121) : because you loaded it here and I approved.

    Gimme a second or two to fix this for you

  • Comment 122, posted at 02.12.09 16:10:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 121) : ok great… so the secret was that I had to delete your userphoto on this side… now it’s using your Gravatar one. So if you change the image there, it will change here as well, without needing my approval. I LIKE!!!! Now get rid of the porn please :)

  • Comment 123, posted at 02.12.09 16:23:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 121) :

    OHHHHHHHH who’s THAT?? Hernadez? :shock: :grin:

  • Comment 124, posted at 02.12.09 16:25:49 by Xmas Ice-Icle Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 124) : nah – it’s me :)

  • Comment 125, posted at 02.12.09 16:47:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 124) : Ice that is Hernandez!!! :grin:

  • Comment 126, posted at 03.12.09 07:30:37 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 123) : Porn :shock: I cut out all the relevant parts :grin:

  • Comment 127, posted at 03.12.09 07:33:01 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Oh dear Rob, I tried to take the porn off, but again its not changing the Avatar on the system :oops: So you will have to get used to that six pack :smile:

  • Comment 128, posted at 03.12.09 08:02:08 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 128) : but it is changed. Did you load that one on Gravatar?

  • Comment 129, posted at 03.12.09 10:06:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Xmas Ice-Icle (Comment 124) : any rethinking regarding Danny boy now :mrgreen:

    @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 126) : i’m glad you changed, got such a fright and so early in the morning :lol:

  • Comment 130, posted at 03.12.09 10:11:12 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 129) : Yes, on your instructions ;) I changed my avatar to a beautiful pic of Bissie, but it hasn’t loaded on here. Well at least on my pc it still shows Hernandez.

    Or is this a conspiracy ’cause the Avatar is of Bissie? :evil:

  • Comment 131, posted at 03.12.09 10:18:59 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 130) : I had hoped it would perk you up :razz: love your Sharky!!!

  • Comment 132, posted at 03.12.09 10:20:27 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 131) : as KSA would say Ctrl+ F5 :mrgreen:

    @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 132) : Sharky already thinking about holiday relaxation – It’s Polish drinking honey in this bottle. ;-)

    PS. I’m not big hernandez fan – maybe you should try some other players ;-)

  • Comment 133, posted at 03.12.09 10:24:28 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 133) : aha thank you !!!! Its changed eureka!

  • Comment 134, posted at 03.12.09 10:30:24 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 134) : yup caching!

  • Comment 135, posted at 03.12.09 10:45:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 135) : It just takes me a little longer than most :???:

  • Comment 136, posted at 03.12.09 10:47:30 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 136) : you and Bismarck cut from the same cloth? :)

    *runs and hides*

  • Comment 137, posted at 03.12.09 12:09:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 137) : Huh? I didn’t run and hide :oops: had a commitment which I had conveniently forgotten and had to leave in a rush.

    But this is interesting in view of Boepie’s comments:

    JP Joubert is currently training with the Lions squad and there’s a good chance he’ll play for them in the Super 14.
    According to Die Volksblad, there is a dispute between Joubert and his current franchise, the Cheetahs, over the validity of his contract. An arbitrator will decide on his future on 21 January, but according to the newspaper, Joubert is already involved in pre-season training with the Lions.

    Alwyn Myburgh, Joubert’s legal adviser had earlier indicated that Joubert’s Cheetahs contract is invalid because according to him, clauses were changed afterwards.

    If Joubert manages to free himself from his contract, which allegedly runs until October 2011, he will start at No 9 for the Lions while Jano Vermaak recovers from injury.

    As you said the pot calling the kettle black :evil:

  • Comment 138, posted at 04.12.09 09:51:46 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Now who has made a duck :evil:

    Helloooooooo is there anyone out there?

  • Comment 139, posted at 04.12.09 10:17:53 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Johannesburg – Die kontrakdispuut tussen die Lions en die Sharks oor wie die “besitreg” het om Willem Alberts en Louis Ludik te kan kies, stuur op ’n krisis vir die twee begaafde spelers én die twee Super14-spanne af.

    Dit kan trouens maande wees alvorens Alberts en Ludik sal kan speel as die geskil nie vinnig besleg word nie.

    Die Suid-Afrikaanse Rugbyunie het gister uitsluitsel gegee oor die spelers se posisie deur te sê dat Alberts en Ludik nie vir die Sharks mag speel alvorens hulle nie hul vrystelling-sertifikate van die Goue Leeus Rugbyunie (GLRU) ontvang het nie. Dit geld vriendskaplike wedstryde én die Sanzar-reeks om die Super14-trofee.

    Ludik is nog beseer, maar dit ontneem Alberts van sy kans om volgende week sy Sharks-buiging in ’n vriendskaplike wedstryd teen die Western Force in Kaapstad te maak.

    Alberts en Ludik het reeds einde verlede jaar by die Sharks begin oefen en die KwaZulu-Natalse span het gehoop die spelers se GLRU-kontrakte kan nietig verklaar word.

    Die GLRU betwis die Sharks se bewerings dat die spelers se kontrakte ongeldig is en volhard om te sê Alberts en Ludik is nog Lions-spelers met Lions-verpligtinge.

    Verlede jaar het ’n soortgelyke kontrak-dispuut tussen die GLRU en die Westelike Provinsie oor die dienste van Jaque Fourie op arbitrasie uitgeloop, maar ’n beslissing was eers ná maande in ink en Fourie het in dié tyd vir geen unie rugby gespeel nie.

    Die Sharks se uitvoerende hoof, Brian­ van Zyl, wou hom vandeesweek op SA Rugby beroep om die vrystelling-sertifikate by die GLRU te eis, aangesien die Sharks die spelers reeds betaal.

    Maar volgens Christo Ferreira, hoof van Saru se regsake, gaan Saru nie tussenbeide tree in die dispuut nie.

    “Maar ons regulasies sê wel dat ’n speler nie vir ’n nuwe provinsie in ’n vriendskaplike óf kompetisie-wedstryd mag speel voor hy nie deur die vorige unie vrygestel is nie,” het Ferreira gesê.

  • Comment 140, posted at 20.01.10 14:11:37 by monster Reply

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  • @monster (Comment 140) : we’ve already reported on that story and this is an English site.

  • Comment 141, posted at 20.01.10 14:16:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • Sorry man – onder watter opskrif is die berig

  • Comment 142, posted at 20.01.10 14:34:37 by monster Reply

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  • Geez. I can’t believe I missed out on the boepie fiasco earlier. :sad:

  • Comment 143, posted at 20.01.10 14:56:04 by klempie Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : Bedoel jy nie Haaiwereld nie? :???:

  • Comment 144, posted at 20.01.10 14:57:17 by klempie Reply

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  • :lol: :lol: HAHA! You guys were talking the biggest load of sh*t earlier. Sorry I missed it. :lol:

  • Comment 145, posted at 20.01.10 15:02:25 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 145) : this article is like 2 months old… stories develop over time

  • Comment 146, posted at 20.01.10 15:19:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 146) : Oh it is too!

    :lol: :lol: HAHA! You guys were talking the biggest load of sh*t 2 months ago. Sorry I missed it. :lol:

  • Comment 147, posted at 20.01.10 15:21:48 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 147) : :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 148, posted at 20.01.10 15:45:42 by wpw Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 147) : us too. You would have had much to add :)

  • Comment 149, posted at 20.01.10 16:17:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 149) : I had a good chuckle reading PaarlBok’s exploits with English and stoats v weasels. :lol:

  • Comment 150, posted at 20.01.10 16:22:21 by klempie Reply

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